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Title: New Big East Commissioner
Post by: GGGG on August 14, 2012, 08:36:22 AM
CBS Exec VP Mike Aresco.  He handles their sports programming.

I have no idea if this is a good hire or not.
Title: Re: New Big East Commissioner
Post by: bradley center bat on August 14, 2012, 11:06:17 AM
Big East hits a home run
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/blog/dennis-dodd/19794041/big-east-hits-a-home-run-with-cbs-aresco
Title: Re: New Big East Commissioner
Post by: Dawson Rental on August 14, 2012, 11:11:03 AM
Quote from: front row on August 14, 2012, 11:06:17 AM
Big East hits a home run
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/blog/dennis-dodd/19794041/big-east-hits-a-home-run-with-cbs-aresco

From the article:
"His hiring signals not only where the Big East is heading, it shows where college sports is. It's all about maximizing and monetizing media worth......   Aresco has negotiated basketball deals with the ACC, Pac-10, Big Ten, Big 12 – and Big East."

"The league that was hoping for interest for competing networks now has created a market for their once-shaky product by sheer will. Aresco will open doors that previously were closed. The conference just assembled itself a power media trio with Aresco, TV rights consultant Chris Bevilacqua and senior associate commissioner Nick Carparelli. The Big East's future is all about its next contract, which will be negotiated in the next few months. (The basketball deal expires after the upcoming season. Football is done after 2013-2014.)"

Say, amen, somebody!
Title: Re: New Big East Commissioner
Post by: Pakuni on August 14, 2012, 11:12:04 AM
Quote from: front row on August 14, 2012, 11:06:17 AM
Big East hits a home run
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/blog/dennis-dodd/19794041/big-east-hits-a-home-run-with-cbs-aresco

Yep.
Given that TV rules college sports now, it makes sense to have a commissioner with that background and those connections with the industry.
Title: Re: New Big East Commissioner
Post by: real chili 83 on August 14, 2012, 11:13:16 AM
Quote from: front row on August 14, 2012, 11:06:17 AM
Big East hits a home run
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/blog/dennis-dodd/19794041/big-east-hits-a-home-run-with-cbs-aresco

At first glance, consider the source of the article, and where the new commish came from.
Title: Re: New Big East Commissioner
Post by: lab_warrior on August 14, 2012, 11:23:00 AM
Quote from: real chili 83 on August 14, 2012, 11:13:16 AM
At first glance, consider the source of the article, and where the new commish came from.

Yeah, thought that as well.  CBS Sports reporting on CBS guy getting hired... a tad bit of navel gazing.

Although, I think the BE could do a lot worse, with the TV deal on the line, in this collegiate sports environment, to bring in a guy who clearly knows his way around broadcasting deals for major conference college athletics. 
Title: Re: New Big East Commissioner
Post by: Dawson Rental on August 14, 2012, 11:28:48 AM
Quote from: real chili 83 on August 14, 2012, 11:13:16 AM
At first glance, consider the source of the article, and where the new commish came from.

From Wikipedia:
"An ad hominem (Latin for "to the man"), short for argumentum ad hominem, is an attempt to negate the truth of a claim by pointing out a negative characteristic or belief of the person supporting it.  Ad hominem reasoning is normally described as a logical fallacy, more precisely an informal fallacy and an irrelevance."

Now if you can find some faulty reasoning in the article itself, that would be different.
Title: Re: New Big East Commissioner
Post by: real chili 83 on August 14, 2012, 12:05:33 PM
Quote from: LittleMurs on August 14, 2012, 11:28:48 AM
From Wikipedia:
"An ad hominem (Latin for "to the man"), short for argumentum ad hominem, is an attempt to negate the truth of a claim by pointing out a negative characteristic or belief of the person supporting it.  Ad hominem reasoning is normally described as a logical fallacy, more precisely an informal fallacy and an irrelevance."

Now if you can find some faulty reasoning in the article itself, that would be different.

I cant find anything factually wrong with it.

Common sense tells me to not buy off on his credentials as a qualified commish purely on the writings of one of his former co-workers in the media.  Thats all.
Title: Re: New Big East Commissioner
Post by: brewcity77 on August 14, 2012, 12:08:50 PM
Quote from: real chili 83 on August 14, 2012, 12:05:33 PM
I cant find anything factually wrong with it.

Common sense tells me to not buy off on his credentials as a qualified commish purely on the writings of one of his former co-workers in the media.  Thats all.

+1

Not saying it isn't a good hire, but I'd like to hear praise from some neutral parties. A CBS article is the equivalent of his college roommate telling you he's a good guy.
Title: Re: New Big East Commissioner
Post by: Pakuni on August 14, 2012, 12:24:23 PM
Mike Tranghese on the hire (to be followed with commentary about why his opinion isn't relevant):

http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/story/2012-08-14/big-east-commissioner-mike-aresco-tv-veteran-hired

Longtime Big East commissioner Mike Tranghese, retired since 2009, said he was not involved in the decision but would be "ecstatic" if the Big East appointed Aresco.

"I've known Mike a long time. I think he's talented. He's bright. He's got incredible people skills. He'll be a great person for people in the office to work with," Tranghese said.

"In a business where honesty at times is not in great supply, I would tell you that I negotiated a bunch of contracts with Mike, and they were difficult but always fair and direct. He's very detail-oriented. He knows everybody in the college landscape. He's got relationships with everybody—with Jim Delany and Mike Slive, which is important.

"He knows everybody in the television business. Mike is one of those guys that just has great people skills. Despite operating in a world where you have to negotiate and go back and forth across the table, Mike has always been able to maintain great relationships with people."
Title: Re: New Big East Commissioner
Post by: ATWizJr on August 14, 2012, 12:25:31 PM
Quote from: LittleMurs on August 14, 2012, 11:11:03 AM
From the article:
"His hiring signals not only where the Big East is heading, it shows where college sports is. It's all about maximizing and monetizing media worth......   Aresco has negotiated basketball deals with the ACC, Pac-10, Big Ten, Big 12 – and Big East."

"The league that was hoping for interest for competing networks now has created a market for their once-shaky product by sheer will. Aresco will open doors that previously were closed. The conference just assembled itself a power media trio with Aresco, TV rights consultant Chris Bevilacqua and senior associate commissioner Nick Carparelli. The Big East's future is all about its next contract, which will be negotiated in the next few months. (The basketball deal expires after the upcoming season. Football is done after 2013-2014.)"

Say, amen, somebody!
what is "amen" in Italian?
Title: Re: New Big East Commissioner
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on August 14, 2012, 02:08:26 PM
Quote
  what is "amen" in Italian?

Amen
Title: Re: New Big East Commissioner
Post by: MUMBA on August 14, 2012, 02:59:04 PM
Quote from: LittleMurs on August 14, 2012, 11:28:48 AM
From Wikipedia:
"Ad hominem reasoning is normally described as a logical fallacy, more precisely an informal fallacy and an irrelevance."

Now if you can find some faulty reasoning in the article itself, that would be different.

One of the reasons I love this board...posters will call out logical fallacies, and just about everyone gets it because so many posters took Philosophy at MU.  The chatter here is a notch above the typical sports message board.  I am thankful for the Philosophy prof who helped me learn what a logical fallacy is, let alone the ability to spot them in sports commentary.
Title: Re: New Big East Commissioner
Post by: LloydMooresLegs on August 14, 2012, 03:29:26 PM
Can't get too excited over the intellectual quality of the board when the post cited in support quotes Wikipedia.  :-[
Title: Re: New Big East Commissioner
Post by: 🏀 on August 14, 2012, 04:09:28 PM
Quote from: LloydMooresLegs on August 14, 2012, 03:29:26 PM
Can't get too excited over the intellectual quality of the board when the post cited in support quotes Wikipedia.  :-[

Ah. A Wikipedia snob...
Title: Re: New Big East Commissioner
Post by: GGGG on August 14, 2012, 04:12:27 PM
Wikipedia is a perfectly good source of info for a message board.
Title: Re: New Big East Commissioner
Post by: LloydMooresLegs on August 14, 2012, 04:34:24 PM
Agreed!  Just was amused by the use of Wikipedia as support for logical (in the academic/philosophical sense) argument.  And, while a snob on many matters, I liberally use Wikipedia when it suits my needs (so, maybe a hypocrite too).
Title: Re: New Big East Commissioner
Post by: Dawson Rental on August 14, 2012, 05:11:26 PM
Quote from: real chili 83 on August 14, 2012, 12:05:33 PM
I cant find anything factually wrong with it.

Common sense tells me to not buy off on his credentials as a qualified commish purely on the writings of one of his former co-workers in the media.  Thats all.

There's no foolproof method to know for sure about Aresco until his first visit to Real Chili.  If he orders a half bowl after his first bowl, then we'll know he's a keeper.
Title: Re: New Big East Commissioner
Post by: real chili 83 on August 15, 2012, 06:57:05 AM
Quote from: LittleMurs on August 14, 2012, 05:11:26 PM
There's no foolproof method to know for sure about Aresco until his first visit to Real Chili.  If he orders a half bowl after his first bowl, then we'll know he's a keeper.

You are a wise man!  ;)


Title: Re: New Big East Commissioner
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on August 16, 2012, 11:35:21 AM
I didn't realize Aresco's originally from the New Haven area and is a UConn law school grad.  Her'e a few interesting quotes from yesterday's announcement:

"The schools that left, I want them to regret leaving.  I think my job is to make this a state-of-the-art conference.  I have been hired to make this conference a leader."

"We have to continue to strengthen the football, we have to make sure the schools develop the cohesion we want when they come into the conference next year.  And then we don't forget about basketball because we still have, as far as I am concerned, the best basketball in the country."

Title: Re: New Big East Commissioner
Post by: tower912 on August 16, 2012, 12:36:37 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/basketball/ncaa/08/15/Big-East-Mike-Aresco.ap/index.html?sct=cb_t2_a5
Title: Re: New Big East Commissioner
Post by: kmwtrucks on August 22, 2012, 12:26:27 PM
Football:CINCY, RUTGERS, UCONN, VILLE, S FL,
soon to be:TEMPLE, SMU, HOUSTON, C FL, MEMPHIS
soon to be football only: navy, boise st, San Diego st.

If it was me I would take BYU and AF for football only and remove San diego st.  I think 14 seems more logial then 15.  That would keep the bball to 18, you could make the arugument to add BYU in all sports? but that is to much travel.  that would be 19 and play everyone once. then add one more football only. Maybe Army?

Big East still targeting BYU & AF
11:37
AM ETThe Big East Conference Recommend0Comments0EmailThe Big East Conference is trying to reinvent itself within the pecking order of college football. And the league is doing it on the fly.

It started when Mike Aresco was hired as the league's new commissioner. The next step will be negotiating a new television contract. Further expansion will be the next point of emphasis once a television contract is in place.

"Aresco said expansion to 14 was not a given, but indicated it was a strong possibility, then mentioned west targets BYU & Air Force," Brandon Helwig of UCFSports.com tweeted.

Both BYU and Air Force were targeted by the Big East during the prior round of expansion. Both turned down the league. The unsettled nature of the Big East surely played a factor at the time.

Both programs may reconsider if the Big East makes itself a more attractive -- and stable -- option under the supervision of Aresco.

- Brent Sobleski


Title: Re: New Big East Commissioner
Post by: Groin_pull on August 22, 2012, 12:30:15 PM
What a mess. I can't remember who's in the Big East right now—or who's coming in down the road.
Title: Re: New Big East Commissioner
Post by: GGGG on August 22, 2012, 12:35:40 PM
As it stands now, the BE will be at 12 football schools in 2013, with Navy slated to join in 2015.

2013 football schools: UConn, Rutgers, Cincinnati, South Florida, Louisville, Boise*, SDSU*, Memphis, Temple, UCF, SMU, Houston (12 total)

*-football only

2013 "basketball" schools: MU, DePaul, Georgetown, ND, Providence, St. Johns, Seton Hall, Nova (18 total with the 10 from above.)
Title: Re: New Big East Commissioner
Post by: MerrittsMustache on August 22, 2012, 12:39:13 PM
Bad hire. He's a graduate of Tufts University. Clearly he wants to turn the Big East into the NESCAC.

Title: Re: New Big East Commissioner
Post by: kmwtrucks on August 22, 2012, 01:40:41 PM
Temple, Memphis, and Houston are all good ball schools and SMU and CF have some potential in BBALL.

I think its a good hire. 

In UCONN, VILLE, MEM we have 3 of the top 15 teams in college BBALL.  Also if we don't get the big east stable we also would lose ND to somewhere else.

The BBALL schools could drop the above 4 and add who?  not one team they could add would be better then the above for anything.  If you say X is better then ND?  I would rather have ND.  that helps you get a better $$$ not X when you already have Cincy.
Title: Re: New Big East Commissioner
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on August 22, 2012, 03:03:10 PM
Quote from: kmwtrucks on August 22, 2012, 01:40:41 PM
Temple, Memphis, and Houston are all good ball schools and SMU and CF have some potential in BBALL.

I think its a good hire. 

In UCONN, VILLE, MEM we have 3 of the top 15 teams in college BBALL.  Also if we don't get the big east stable we also would lose ND to somewhere else.

The BBALL schools could drop the above 4 and add who?  not one team they could add would be better then the above for anything.  If you say X is better then ND?  I would rather have ND.  that helps you get a better $$$ not X when you already have Cincy.

The conference won't stabilize until the TV contract is settled.  If it helps increase the TV money which it should then add them both.  With Navy coming and the WAC dissolving I have to think this is a no-brainer decision for Air Force.  I have to think BYU would be a national draw for both football & basketball.  As someone previously indicated, that would be an interesting consideration for all sports addition if that's even feasible to begin with.

On the basketball side, I see Memphis & Temple as an even swap for Pittsburgh & West Virginia.  Syracuse may just be unreplaceable from the basketball point of view. 
Title: Re: New Big East Commissioner
Post by: GGGG on August 22, 2012, 03:13:16 PM
Air Force hasn't been a member of the WAC for 13 years.
Title: Re: New Big East Commissioner
Post by: real chili 83 on December 16, 2012, 09:14:18 PM
Hmmmmm.

Looks like the new commish has his work cut out for him.

This die was cast months before he showed up.  Wonder why he took the job.
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