The Saunders thread got me thinking about players who had legal/morals problems at MU. Unfortunately, the names don't always pop into my pea brain.
I seem to recall that Tom Copa had some trouble related to a kid that was skitching behind his car and had a pretty bad head injury.
I also recall some player getting pretty physical with a coed in one of the dorm elevators. And was it Toone that had an auto theft charge?
I believe the Copa thing ended with a girl being paralyzed.
I believe you may be referring to Pops Sims having problems.
Also, Tyrone Baldwin was involved in a rather bad scuffle down the street from O'D's.
Joe Nethen .. IIRC, didn't he throw a chair or .. TV out a McCormick window?
Amusing story .. I lived in McCormick at the same time w/Nethen. One day, I got into the lobby elevator and Nethen was coming up from the basement. He had with him a large carpet roll, which perhaps, he'd ripped up from some floor somewhere.
I stepped in, and made the mental note that he wasn't wearing any shoes, and that it'd be a good idea not to step on him.
The elevator opened on the 3rd floor, people got in, and I stepped back on his toes.. 3-4 seconds went by, perhaps long enough for Nethen's slow brain to register "ouch" and make this loud groan. My short life flashed before my eyes .. as the elevator doors began to shut, I scooted out to live another day.
WHEW.
Amo-
While nothing concrete is really known (at least by me) there is all sorts of speculation around his transfer...plus i saw him at potawatami gambling when he was a freshman I know thats not a big deal but it is still "criminal" activity
Just off the top of my head, Zach McCall's name pops up.
I also remember John Polonowski telling me a story about Jarrod Lovette heaving a big jar of mayo out of his window at Humphrey Hall,(The Joe Nethan thing jogged my memory on that one), but Jarrod had other issues going on around the same time. Also, can anyone fill me in on Terry Reason? I know that he left the team, but don't recall the circumstances behind it.
Matt Mortensen is another name that comes to mind. Did we ever figure out exactly what his situation was?
Reason punched out another player during practice. Can't recall who, but Terrell Schlundt comes to mind (I apologize if it was not him). Majerus kicked him off the team, and right before the press conference, had a change of heart - but stuck with the decision (can't recall exactly why).
Bo Ellis was caught in a car with pot (but I am not certain he was charged). McGuire had him apologize to the fans at the first game.
Quote from: spartan3186 on July 03, 2007, 09:40:37 AM
Amo-
While nothing concrete is really known (at least by me) there is all sorts of speculation around his transfer...plus i saw him at potawatami gambling when he was a freshman I know thats not a big deal but it is still "criminal" activity
How the hell is gambling at a legal, state-sanctioned casino "illegal" in any sense of the word?
Quote from: Avenue Commons on July 03, 2007, 10:38:25 AM
Quote from: spartan3186 on July 03, 2007, 09:40:37 AM
Amo-
While nothing concrete is really known (at least by me) there is all sorts of speculation around his transfer...plus i saw him at potawatami gambling when he was a freshman I know thats not a big deal but it is still "criminal" activity
How the hell is gambling at a legal, state-sanctioned casino "illegal" in any sense of the word?
The only thing I can think of is that he may have been underage--you have to be 21 to gamble at the Indian Casinos.
Bart Miller was one bad dude.
the key there WHEN HE WAS A FRESHMAN. Like I said it's not a major offense and not that big of a deal, but he was underage and gambling at the casino. That was just something I personally saw, the major reason I put him on the list was alll the speculation of the reasons for his transfer (drugs etc)
Greg Clausen if reported likely would have had an issue or two.
Did you know Clausen is playing for Albequerque in the NBDL? I found that odd, I don't see Merritt on any roster anymore and he was argueably better than clausen...
Arguably??? A stiff pillow case was better than Clausen. However, no I did not know that he was in the NDBL. I know Merritt was there for a while but then ran into back troubles. Guess I should start working out, I have a shot at the NDBL :)
Just being "nice",
you never know if Greg's Number 1 fan resides on this site. ;)
Amal McKaskill... wasn't there some allegations of assualt prior to him leaving. In addition, he was smoking the chronic.
Yeah, McCaskill and McCall were two that I can think of that were tied to rumors of doobie use.
I also know of the kid who was driving the car when Hutch got into the accident that shut his jaw and eventually his MU career. Nice kid, but the crowd wasn't overly positive.
Ya know who was a Dick? Dick Shaw. Dude couldn't STOP hitting on girls and crashing parties, displaying just overtly rude and crass behavior. At a party, he was like, "You don't know who I am?" HA!
'77, if we are lowering the bar to being a dick at parties than Wardle is right up there. My friends and I were at a party where we overheard his conversation with/hitting on a chick who didn't know who he was. It was the highest of unintentional comedy that included grand pronouncements like "You don't know who I am?? I'M BRIAN WADLE FOR GODSAKE" and "I am Marquette basketball". Seriously, thought I was going to pee my pants listening to the exchange. I will give him credit the girl was smoking hot, I would have tried the same thing. :)
Dick Shaw was dating some RA (tall & good looking, IIRC) at mccormick my fr. year. funny to hear that he was always scamming on chicks. he was a dick, and Canadian too. ;D
Quote from: mu03eng on July 03, 2007, 03:48:05 PM
"You don't know who I am?? I'M BRIAN WADLE FOR GODSAKE" and "I am Marquette basketball". Seriously, thought I was going to pee my pants listening to the exchange. I will give him credit the girl was smoking hot, I would have tried the same thing. :)
I almost peed my pants reading that story to my wife (a Wardle devotee.)
If we're going dicks at parties we can through DJ on that list too. That kid is an arogant a-hole when it comes to parties. He was hitting on one of my friend and when she told him that she had a boyfriend he said "so, Im Dominic James, im going to be in the NBA baby" she proceeded to throw beer in his face which was entertaining...
Herb Harrison had an appropriate first name.
I will second Wardle being a dick.
Polo was a big partier... but he was hilarious. Never made full use of his talents on the court, but he was hilarious off of it.
Harris, Olumna, John Mueller, Clausen, Cordell, Dwyane, Merritt were all pretty nice dudes in social situations. Some were better than others... but they were all pretty good. Harris was probably one of the nicest kids around. I had a couple of different classes with him and saw him a a bunch of parties. Very cool dude.
Oh and Marcus Jackson seemed like one of the scariest dudes on the face of the earth, but he was really nice.
stuck up a gas station in Tosa some time after leaving MU.
Copa was actually a good guy. His story was that, during a snowstorm, he was driving his car (a jeep, I think), some students were skitching along behind, a girl fell and suffered a severe head injury (IIRC). Nothing untoward on his part, just bad luck. Pops Sims beat up a former girlfriend. I witnessed Joe Nethen asking for help putting batteries in a walkman. Too complicated.
was one bad mf'er. Story goes he held the floor nerd out an 8th floor McCormick window by his ankles just for grins.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on July 03, 2007, 07:45:03 PM
was one bad mf'er. Story goes he held the floor nerd out an 8th floor McCormick window by his ankles just for grins.
have you gotten over that yet, 4ever? ;D
Quote from: 2002mualum on July 03, 2007, 05:31:23 PM
I will second Wardle being a dick.
Polo was a big partier... but he was hilarious. Never made full use of his talents on the court, but he was hilarious off of it.
I never saw Wardle at any parties, but the dude looks like a stuckup. I thought he always had a girlfriend at MU, but I could be mistaken.
I second Polonowski. That dude was a funny drunk! I crossed his paths a few times.
I must say, the taller bball guys, I really feel sorry for them. They ALWAYS stuck out at parties. As for Hutch and other "normal" ballers (6'3"ish), they sometimes could blend in the crowds.
True story: My now wife had a class with Faisal Abraham while she and I were in the early stages of dating. My wife like most females at MU at the time thinks Abraham is a hottie. Faisal leans over and asks her if she'll be honest with him about something. He tells her he is looking to get into modeling after his basketball career is over and he asks her if she'll look at some of his pictures and tell him what she thinks. She says sure and proceeds to look through his photos, several of which were him in his "tighty whities." She turns red in the face and hands back the photos in her best Borat, "Nice, very nice." She comes home from class and tells me about this. I was speechless.
Faisal = Smoove B.
(http://myspace-356.vo.llnwd.net/00049/65/32/49842356_s.jpg)
.. Who amongst us hasn't given a girl pictures of us in our tighty whities?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on July 03, 2007, 07:18:53 PM
Artie Green: stuck up a gas station in Tosa some time after leaving MU.
Didn't he get arrested while at school too? Swiping a walk man or stereo or something from a dorm room?
I thought I remember something about Dean Marquardt hurting or injuring someone?
was seriously injured (arm and shoulder) in an auto accident while driving on the west side of MKE. Made a remarkable recovery to continue his career as a Warrior, but really was not nearly as effective as before.l
pretty bad scene in an elevator at Tower...
don't want to guess, but I think potential assault was the issue with a female 'companion'...
got in a barfight with Kerry Trotter once... kinda sorta!
Marquardt, Schlundt and I shared some, ahem, moments, dude.
vaguely remember Shannon Smith had some issues.
Oliver Lee was quite the character.
Florey was a piece of work!
then there was this John Glaser guy........................................................ :o
Wardle was dating a girl on and off during his time at MU. She was a soccer player. Had class with both of them numerous times and were acquaintances. Kept in touch a bit after school when he was still with the program. FYI, he married the same girl.
Quote from: spartan3186 on July 03, 2007, 04:23:36 PM
If we're going dicks at parties we can through DJ on that list too. That kid is an arogant a-hole when it comes to parties. He was hitting on one of my friend and when she told him that she had a boyfriend he said "so, Im Dominic James, im going to be in the NBA baby" she proceeded to throw beer in his face which was entertaining...
I think this sums up why there was a lack of patience with Dominic this year, especially from the students. His off the court persona is far different than the one that goes in front of the media. Travis was similar, but he was cocky without being a complete a-hole.
As far as good guys go, I'll second Jon Harris. I got a chance to work with Jon for a bit the summer he took the GB job, great guy. Townsend is also a good one, but I think the standard is still Steve Novak. Steve, for being a star player, was one of the most humble and down to earth guys on the team.
Odarty Blankson was your classic dummy but he was funny. Had a speech class with him, and we had to give a persuasive speech. ODB gets up and starts his speech with, "How many of y'all like getting your jimmy smoked?" He then proceeded to extol the benefits of oral sex. Very good class that day. :)
Quote from: shaquilvaine on July 03, 2007, 02:48:53 PM
Amal McKaskill... wasn't there some allegations of assualt prior to him leaving. In addition, he was smoking the chronic.
Yes and yes.
to Odarty. Sure has a way with words, discriptive as all Hell. Would have loved to be a fly on the wall for that class. Just curious, was the prof. male or female and do you know his grade on this speech?
Supposedly James Matthews spit on Novak during practice and that was one of the reasons he ended up leaving Marquette, but this has never been substantiatied and could just be a rumor that floated around.
It was a hot female prof, just graduated college. She was laughing too, so I'm assuming it was a decent grade. It all depends on how persuasive he was I guess. ;)
"Getting yo jimmy smoked".........oh man, you guys owe me a new keyboard for that one.
HAhahahahahahahahahahahaha.
By the way, in freshman year we partied with the illustrious Krunti Hester a couple of times. He was getting his jimmy smoked by one of the resident McCormick groupies who lived on the floor above us.
McCormick always seemed to be filled with groupies. 8th floor of McCormick my freshmen year was that floor, quite the interesting group there. One girl I know had a "hit list" of the basketball team. Think she ran through like 6 or 7 of them in '99. The team really wasn't any good that year so I don't get it. :)
Women like power and money. Division One basketball players have the first one, and at a lot of places, let's be honest, the second as well.
Doesn't matter if you are on a bad team, just the fact that you are a D-1 scholarship basketball player at a basketball school means that you are guaranteed lots of jimmy-smoking.
Ah McCormick, what a wonderful dump that place was. Although, I really didn't miss it when I moved into my triple at East with Air conditioning and my own bathroom.
Oz, you had a Dark Helmet moment there. "Of course you do! Druish princesses are often attracted to money and power, and I have both, and you *know* it!"
I had the exact same experience with McCormick then East. Refuse to call that place Straus Tower.
Back to the thread topic, I don't think there have been any really bad illegal type players at Marquette. I think some morally questionable especially when it comes to the ladies and mary jane. Maybe ones before my time. Only one I can think of that was just scary is James Matthews, man that kid had an anger problem.
Dark Helmet....wow, that brings back memories.
Yeah, MU has been fortunate to have a relatively clean program over the years, and I think that is due to the administrations over the years. I really doubt that any MU president would tolerate players who commit crimes and misconduct or otherwise damage the university's reputation, and they darn well wouldn't tolerate coaching staffs who do.
I loved the story about DJ getting a beer thrown in his face while trying that lame come-on. Maybe if he shoots 0-9 next year from 3-point land in a game Crean should throw one in his face as well.
If that story is true, it reinforces what a lot of us thought about the NBA clouding DJ's game this past year.
C'mon DJ, you know you can play better, on and off the court.....
Quote from: ozmetal71 on July 06, 2007, 09:56:08 AM
If that story is true, it reinforces what a lot of us thought about the NBA clouding DJ's game this past year.
C'mon DJ, you know you can play better, on and off the court.....
Or maybe it was just an example of a 19-year-old kid trying really hard to get laid. I'm pretty sure everyone here has said something equally lame at one time (or, in some cases, several times) in an attempt to score off the court. I wouldn't read too much into it.
Good point, Pakuni.
I've been guilty of really pathetic ones. Here is one of my worst:
"You're the most beautiful Republican I've ever seen"...said to a College Republican from UW at former Governor Tommy Thompson's birthday party in 1999.
Ziggy, we're probably the same year. I couldn't stand dicky shaw - But of course people at parties knew him! Everybody knew him. Name me one other 7 foot jackass that couldn't make a layup after 5 consecutive attempts. He was pathetic. I remember his girlfriend as well. She was hot but a b****. My brother had class with Dick and met him for the first time as my brother was 2 weeks graduated from Marine Boot Camp. My brother doesn't have much of a tolerance for a**holes. Lets just say the rude, classless loud mouth at the back of the classroom didn't say anything for the rest of the semester after being confronted in the middle of class.
Also, my ex was hit on by Crawford after the conference tourney win. His pick up line? He informed her of his NBA future. Maybe she should've went that route.
Quote from: mu03eng on July 06, 2007, 08:22:56 AM
It was a hot female prof, just graduated college. She was laughing too, so I'm assuming it was a decent grade. It all depends on how persuasive he was I guess. ;)
man, all of those speech teachers were knockouts. The only class that I ever went to office hours for. didn't get my jimmy smoked, but hey, I'm no ODB. :-\
Wow, I must have missed out, because my speech professor was not attractive at all.
The TA for my section of Intro to Macroeconomics in the spring 2002 semester was hot. It was fun watching her walk up and down the aisles in the lecture halls in Straz.
Quotef that story is true, it reinforces what a lot of us thought about the NBA clouding DJ's game this past year
it is a true story i was standing right next to him when it happened
got a text message from my sister (grad student at MU) last friday night. "dominic james just hit on me."
Welcome to the family, son.
Oliver Lee, before his senior season got caught forging a check, IIRC, (or fraudulent use of a credit card, perhaps). He had to apologize before one of the games to the fans. As a 4th year communications major, his speech was, um, less than stellar.
QuoteTownsend is also a good one
I know this is getting OT but...
I'd always heard about Townsend being a great guy. As an MU employee this year, he played intramural basketball, and I saw the tail end of his championship game (which he lost to a former walk on's team--I forget who.) I was surprised to see him complaining after literally almost every play and throwing some cheap shots. I would not have expected it from a guy with a reputation like his.
Hester's Jimmy must not have been any good since he transferred anyway.
Actually, she was ok looking, but certifiably nuts.
Though, by the end of the year she looked worn out. Take that for any meaning you want.
Thirded on the DJ a-holeness. I saw a good portion of the team at a party this year... and they all pretty much came off as nice guys, except DJ. Just the way he acts and dresses... I mean, seriously who the hell wears SUNGLASSES at a party in the DARK?
Rick Springfield
I registered for MUScoop just now solely for the purpose of responding to the jackass comments of FrennA above. That "b****" you refer to above (Dick Shaw's girlfriend at MU) happens to be a close, personal friend of mine. Not only are you far from the truth in characterizing her in this fashion, you are doing so on a public forum. I feel comfortable in saying that you don't know her one iota, because if you did, you would never say such a thing about her. I'd ask you to take this crap back. It pissed me off to no end to read this.
Dick Shaw was a jerk, without a doubt. My friend dumped his ass her senior year (he had already graduated and was just hanging around MU that year). She told me at the time it was the best thing she'd ever done (dumping him), and I have to say, I agree.
Having said all this, I do find it a little uncomfortable that everyone is talking about all these ex-players' foibles and bad personalities in gorey detail on a public message board. How does this build up the Marquette program???? If recruits or parents of recruits read this, what will they think????
Quote from: MUViking on July 08, 2007, 01:07:52 PM
If recruits or parents of recruits read this, what will they think????
Well, if they're smart people (of course they are...), they'll probably think "Wow, decades of good basketball, and a whole forum can only come up with about 10 'bad seeds' that have gone there. Heck, even half of those were just cocky. Sounds like a good school for myself/my kid" :)
Glad you registered vike - too bad it was only because someone ticked you off :(
Quote from: jmayer1 on July 05, 2007, 10:06:41 PM
Supposedly James Matthews spit on Novak during practice and that was one of the reasons he ended up leaving Marquette, but this has never been substantiatied and could just be a rumor that floated around.
The story I heard was he punched Brian Wardle during a scrimmage.
This stuff is like the telephone game anyway.
I think talking about this stuff is straight up sideline humor. During the season, it's all game, all the time here.
Since it's the off-season, we're just reminiscing about our run-ins with or stories about players. I'm not endorsing that what everyone is saying is 100% factual, but some of them - both the true and possibly fabricated - are hilarious to read.
No, Viking, this is not going to help recruiting as much as the hours after an MU loss when board members chew out Crean, players, etc. It's the summer time (read: dead time) and it's freaking hot to be inside reading MUScoop...so it'd better be darn entertaining or informative!
Welcome to the boards! :D
Quote from: MUViking on July 08, 2007, 01:07:52 PM
I registered for MUScoop just now solely for the purpose of responding to the jackass comments of FrennA above. That "b****" you refer to above (Dick Shaw's girlfriend at MU) happens to be a close, personal friend of mine. Not only are you far from the truth in characterizing her in this fashion, you are doing so on a public forum. I feel comfortable in saying that you don't know her one iota, because if you did, you would never say such a thing about her. I'd ask you to take this crap back. It pissed me off to no end to read this.
Dick Shaw was a jerk, without a doubt. My friend dumped his ass her senior year (he had already graduated and was just hanging around MU that year). She told me at the time it was the best thing she'd ever done (dumping him), and I have to say, I agree.
Having said all this, I do find it a little uncomfortable that everyone is talking about all these ex-players' foibles and bad personalities in gorey detail on a public message board. How does this build up the Marquette program???? If recruits or parents of recruits read this, what will they think????
Welcome, Viking. While I agree with you for the most part, calling Dick Shaw a jerk on a public MU basketball forum is just plain hypocritical. Do as I say, not as I do?
Nice to see you, Viking. You could almost put up with Shaw being a jerk if he had any talent whatsoever...but he didn't.
Quote from: SoCalwarrior on July 08, 2007, 07:58:59 PM
Quote from: MUViking on July 08, 2007, 01:07:52 PM
I registered for MUScoop just now solely for the purpose of responding to the jackass comments of FrennA above. That "b****" you refer to above (Dick Shaw's girlfriend at MU) happens to be a close, personal friend of mine. Not only are you far from the truth in characterizing her in this fashion, you are doing so on a public forum. I feel comfortable in saying that you don't know her one iota, because if you did, you would never say such a thing about her. I'd ask you to take this crap back. It pissed me off to no end to read this.
Dick Shaw was a jerk, without a doubt. My friend dumped his ass her senior year (he had already graduated and was just hanging around MU that year). She told me at the time it was the best thing she'd ever done (dumping him), and I have to say, I agree.
Having said all this, I do find it a little uncomfortable that everyone is talking about all these ex-players' foibles and bad personalities in gorey detail on a public message board. How does this build up the Marquette program???? If recruits or parents of recruits read this, what will they think????
Lets see...JS was a close personal friend, while DS was a jerk...hmmm I smell a little jealousy.
BTW I would agree JS wasn't a b***h but maybe those that got that impression did so b/c a) she was hanging out with a jerk or b) she was a Res Life chick and everyone knows 95% of Res Life people can be tools (their mission is to stop MU kids from drinking, whereas MU is a drinking school.
PS...Should we be throwing a parade that someone from Scout is on this renegade board? We're so lucky.
"Lets see...JS was a close personal friend, while DS was a jerk...hmmm I smell a little jealousy."
Nope. Happily married to the girl I was dating when Dick's old girlfriend and I were MU buds. And I didn't say "was" a close, personal friend, I said "is."
"BTW I would agree JS wasn't a b***h but maybe those that got that impression did so b/c a) she was hanging out with a jerk or b) she was a Res Life chick and everyone knows 95% of Res Life people can be tools (their mission is to stop MU kids from drinking, whereas MU is a drinking school."
She didn't care if her residents drank, just like most RA's didn't.
"PS...Should we be throwing a parade that someone from Scout is on this renegade board? We're so lucky."
Whatever, dude. Just defending the honor of my friend.
SoCal...I realize that it was hypocritical to knock Shaw and then mention how talking about MU bad boys can't help Marquette. Obviously, I realized this as I was typing it, as I also typed "Having said this..." It was more of a rhetorical question about the value of these sorts of discussions on a public forum that the parents of recruits read (some religiously). What I'm especially irritated with are comments about current players like the ones about DJ getting beer spilled in his face, and recent players, like the ODB story. These stories have potential for some backlash, and even if the backlash is minor, is it worth it if it at all harms a recruit's perception of the program or if a current player gets pissed off about it? What's the saying? Discretion is the better part of valor?
Admittedly, I wrote my initial post in anger, as my friend was being called a b****, which is completely uncalled for and untrue and more specifically, does not belong on a message board like this. It pissed me off to no end to read that, and I felt the need to defend her.
You know what? I was going to close with a comment about the genesis of your prediction contest, but I'll refrain, discretion being the better part of valor and all.
Quote from: drewm88 on July 07, 2007, 03:09:55 PM
QuoteTownsend is also a good one
I know this is getting OT but...
I'd always heard about Townsend being a great guy. As an MU employee this year, he played intramural basketball, and I saw the tail end of his championship game (which he lost to a former walk on's team--I forget who.) I was surprised to see him complaining after literally almost every play and throwing some cheap shots. I would not have expected it from a guy with a reputation like his.
Todd was a nice guy in my experience, just as long as their wasn't an opportunity of getting some on the line. He was dating a friend of mine for a couple of years during his playing days, but I do know that he was dating at least 4 other girls at the same time. She would complain all the time about how he was with these other girls but didn't do anything about it. Must be nice to be that popular. ;) In the end though he hung out with us every once in a while and was a funny, nice guy. Who knows, these guys are always in the lime light so every "bad" thing gets amplified.
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QuoteWho knows, these guys are always in the lime light so every "bad" thing gets amplified.
Truer words have never been spoken. I think the players are just like most of the other guys on campus. I mean, obviously they have some extra "fame" or "notoriety" because they are hoops players... but at the end of the day they are just 18-22 yr olds.
They aren't going to be perfect (we should realize that), but they also need to be good representatives of the University at all times (I hope they realize that).
The players I encountered were pretty good guys. Some were arrogant, some didn't appear to be rocket scientists, but most of them were just like other kids on campus (decent guys who sometimes act a little foolish).
I think the vast majority of players have done a good job representing MU.