Marquette’s standing with Nunn’s four factors
Written by: Mark Strotman
2013 Simeon Career Academy shooting guard Kendrick Nunn announced earlier today his final college school list. The top-50 guard named Illinois, Marquette, Memphis, Ohio State and UCLA, in no particular order, as potential destinations. The 6-foot-1 lefty is rising up ... Continue reading → (http://painttouches.com/2012/08/04/marquettes-standing-with-nunns-four-factors/)
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I be surprised if he goes to UCLA for two reasons. The first one being the distance, which would eliminate his father regularly attending games. That is assuming that his father would not move to California. The other is that UCLA plays a slower style. I think he ends up at either MU or Ohio St. I think Ohio St has the advantage, because they are a newcomer to his recruitment. MU has been on him a long-time and the fact that he still has not committed to MU could be an indication that there is a reason he has not picked MU. I think if the choice was upto his father he would go to MU. Teenagers often want to exert some independence, so his father wanting him to go to MU could be the negative.
One note, and while I realize the pure speculation of the coaching relationship, but I'd put MU ahead of Illinois. While the Illini were in early, it was a completely different coaching staff that initiated the recruitment. Assistants have changed here, but both Buzz and Isaac have a longer relationship with Nunn than anyone on the Illinois staff.
Quote from: brewcity77 on August 05, 2012, 04:46:25 PM
One note, and while I realize the pure speculation of the coaching relationship, but I'd put MU ahead of Illinois. While the Illini were in early, it was a completely different coaching staff that initiated the recruitment. Assistants have changed here, but both Buzz and Isaac have a longer relationship with Nunn than anyone on the Illinois staff.
That is not necessarily true. Groce was recruiting Nunn when he was at Ohio.
Quote from: bilsu on August 05, 2012, 07:56:27 PM
That is not necessarily true. Groce was recruiting Nunn when he was at Ohio.
I find it hard to believe Nunn took the advances of Ohio at all seriously until there was a State at the end of the name.
Quote from: brewcity77 on August 05, 2012, 08:39:51 PM
I find it hard to believe Nunn took the advances of Ohio at all seriously until there was a State at the end of the name.
He actually had a VERY good relationship with the ohio coaches.
How many times will we get excited about a recruit and write speculative articles that ultimately end in disappointment? Nunn is a good recruit, he is not a program changer. We will be great with him, we will be very good without him. We got excited about Gabe York, Shaw, and Tarik Black...0 for 3. Let's just stop trying to pretend that we're in a good spot and take it for what it is...a teenage boy making a decision who will change his opinions and mind multiple times throughout the process. What a waste of writing.
Quote from: jhags15 on August 06, 2012, 08:05:27 AM
How many times will we get excited about a recruit and write speculative articles that ultimately end in disappointment? Nunn is a good recruit, he is not a program changer. We will be great with him, we will be very good without him. We got excited about Gabe York, Shaw, and Tarik Black...0 for 3. Let's just stop trying to pretend that we're in a good spot and take it for what it is...a teenage boy making a decision who will change his opinions and mind multiple times throughout the process. What a waste of writing.
Your post is a waste of writing. If you don't want to follow MU's, recruiting then don't. Others around here, enjoy following high school kids who have serious interest in Marquette. Especially when a particular recruit could give MU a top 5 caliber recruiting class.
If we can't kick around potential recruits this time of year, what else do we have to write about.......fishing? ;)
I mean I am following it...but an article without sources, and without quotes from Nunn about our good standing with him is not something I would use to follow Marquette's recruiting. If you respond to a waste of writing with your own bit of writing, is your bit of writing not also a waste? MU's class will not be top 5 even with Nunn. UK, UNC, Kansas, Florida, UCLA, Zona (insert any other blueblood program) will be in that top 5 before us. We have 0 top 10 recruits, we will get 0 top 10 recruits this year and all of those programs will get 1 or 2. That is reality Lazer. I would be ecstatic with Nunn, but I won't take the writing of a student written, opinion based article as support for our standing with Nunn. I prefer quotes, and reliable sources for that. If a well-connected writer on a website like Rivals, Scout, or ESPN wants to write this article with solid proof of us being in a good position then I will start getting optimistic.
Does that work for you?
Quote from: jhags15 on August 06, 2012, 08:48:02 AM
I mean I am following it...but an article without sources, and without quotes from Nunn about our good standing with him is not something I would use to follow Marquette's recruiting. If you respond to a waste of writing with your own bit of writing, is your bit of writing not also a waste? MU's class will not be top 5 even with Nunn. UK, UNC, Kansas, Florida, UCLA, Zona (insert any other blueblood program) will be in that top 5 before us. We have 0 top 10 recruits, we will get 0 top 10 recruits this year and all of those programs will get 1 or 2. That is reality Lazer. I would be ecstatic with Nunn, but I won't take the writing of a student written, opinion based article as support for our standing with Nunn. I prefer quotes, and reliable sources for that. His father listed 4 factors that apply to every one of these programs. The article also says MU has had the most success recently. 2 Sweet 16's vs. OSU?? Honestly...If a well-connected writer on a website like Rivals, Scout, or ESPN wants to write this article with solid proof of us being in a good position then I will start getting optimistic.
Does that work for you?
Quote from: jhags15 on August 06, 2012, 08:05:27 AM
How many times will we get excited about a recruit and write speculative articles that ultimately end in disappointment? Nunn is a good recruit, he is not a program changer. We will be great with him, we will be very good without him. We got excited about Gabe York, Shaw, and Tarik Black...0 for 3. Let's just stop trying to pretend that we're in a good spot and take it for what it is...a teenage boy making a decision who will change his opinions and mind multiple times throughout the process. What a waste of writing.
+1
Quote from: jhags15 on August 06, 2012, 08:51:10 AM
Well I guess the writer from Paint Touches needs to clarify better. Last week when Nunn announced his final 5 his dad went into detail about the factors affecting his decision. Which is essentially recapped in the Paint Touches article. There have been a bunch of quotes on this board and elsewhere about how positively Nunn and his dad look at Buzz and MU. Also regarding OSU, they are very late to the game. Agreed that they are hands down a much better program, but Buzz and MU have been in with Nunn for much longer than OSU. Many feel that it will come down to MU and U of I.
Whether or not Nunn makes 2013 a Top 5 class is too hard to tell at this point, but I guarantee you it will be a lock for a top 10 class and in the discussion as a top 5.
This is worth following if you interested in recruiting.
Quote from: jhags15 on August 06, 2012, 08:48:02 AM
I mean I am following it...but an article without sources, and without quotes from Nunn about our good standing with him is not something I would use to follow Marquette's recruiting. If you respond to a waste of writing with your own bit of writing, is your bit of writing not also a waste? MU's class will not be top 5 even with Nunn. UK, UNC, Kansas, Florida, UCLA, Zona (insert any other blueblood program) will be in that top 5 before us. We have 0 top 10 recruits, we will get 0 top 10 recruits this year and all of those programs will get 1 or 2. That is reality Lazer. I would be ecstatic with Nunn, but I won't take the writing of a student written, opinion based article as support for our standing with Nunn. I prefer quotes, and reliable sources for that. If a well-connected writer on a website like Rivals, Scout, or ESPN wants to write this article with solid proof of us being in a good position then I will start getting optimistic.
Does that work for you?
1) It was based off an article from ESPN with, gasp, sources. Nunn's father to be exact.
2) Mark is not a student.
3) It takes more effort to bash someone for providing a service others enjoy than to ignore it, like those who don't like it will do.
4) I don't get your beef and I find it quite immature.
1) Yes it's on ESPN. Cite that article instead of just making your own opinions which are obvious to an informed MU fan on why those factors are in our favor
2) Pardon me. A former student who graduated 3 months ago.
3) I bashed the writing not the "someone". I don't know Mark.
4) It's not a beef, I am stating opinions on a forum built for, gasp, opinions. MUScoop to be exact.
Quote from: LAZER on August 06, 2012, 09:14:24 AM
Whether or not Nunn makes 2013 a Top 5 class is too hard to tell at this point, but I guarantee you it will be a lock for a top 10 class and in the discussion as a top 5.
This is worth following if you interested in recruiting.
Absolutely Top 10. Best Buzz recruiting class easily, but recruiting rankings are extremely flawed. The blue bloods are always ranked higher, and praised for recruiting.
Quote from: jhags15 on August 06, 2012, 08:05:27 AMHow many times will we get excited about a recruit and write speculative articles that ultimately end in disappointment? Nunn is a good recruit, he is not a program changer. We will be great with him, we will be very good without him. We got excited about Gabe York, Shaw, and Tarik Black...0 for 3.
Sure...if you just take the misses. What about Juan Anderson, Steve Taylor, Deonte Burton, Duane Wilson? You always miss out on more than you get, even UNC and Duke do that, but last time I checked, we've gotten excited about quite a few more guys than the three you listed, and some of them committed here.
Quote from: jhags15 on August 06, 2012, 08:48:02 AMIf a well-connected writer on a website like Rivals, Scout, or ESPN wants to write this article with solid proof of us being in a good position then I will start getting optimistic.
So what...Strotty doesn't count because he went to Marquette? ESPN has had multiple articles listing us with Nunn. Harv and Roy Schmidt, who are about as tied in to the Chicago scene as it gets, have repeatedly tweeted that we are one of the leaders and that they expected us to be on the final list, whether it was 3, 4, or 5 teams. Adam Zagoria has written how Marquette is one of the leaders on Nunn. Pretty much everyone who has followed Nunn's recruitment has mentioned Marquette as one of the leaders.
So strotty decided to look at the factors and try to extrapolate what they might mean, and you assume it's meaningless because you find his opinion (having been pretty closely tied to the MU program for the past 4 years) less valid than guys who have had a more distant relationship because they have a more recognized name? Look at the four factors. Anyone can look up a team's scholarship situation and determine roster make-up. Anyone can check Kenpom.com and ppp stats to analyze style of play. Anyone can look at NCAA tournament records and overall winning percentages the past few years and determine which programs are winning the most. And he admitted that the coaching relationship was largely speculative. Yet you feel the need to tear the guy down because he started his own website rather than working for Scout or Rivals? Considering guys like Adam Zagoria, Adam Finkelstein, the Bullseye Brothers, and Alex Kline all started their own sites, I fail to see how they would be more reliable than strotty when you are specifically talking about the four factors he analyzed.
Quote from: jhags15 on August 06, 2012, 08:48:02 AM
If you respond to a waste of writing with your own bit of writing, is your bit of writing not also a waste?
Well, then, I guess this is a waste of writing responding to your waste of writing which was responding to a waste of writing which, if I've counted correctly, was responding to a waste of writing. Which pretty much sounds like any sports chat room.
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We have 0 top 10 recruits, we will get 0 top 10 recruits this year. [/quote]
Unless Nunn really has moved up in the rankings, even with him we will not have an top-10 recruits.
Quote from: MU82 on August 06, 2012, 10:44:21 AMUnless Nunn really has moved up in the rankings, even with him we will not have an top-10 recruits.
Our best chance of a 2013 top-10 recruit is probably Duane Wilson. I don't think he'll get there, but he's had a great summer and is likely I'd guess is already in the top 3-4 PGs for his class. The only one that I would say is a lock to be ahead of him is Harrison.
Though Looney or Stone are probably better odds of coming to Marquette as top-10 recruits. Not sure how realistic either are right now.
Quote from: MU82 on August 06, 2012, 10:44:21 AM
Well, then, I guess this is a waste of writing responding to your waste of writing which was responding to a waste of writing which, if I've counted correctly, was responding to a waste of writing. Which pretty much sounds like any sports chat room.
We have 0 top 10 recruits, we will get 0 top 10 recruits this year.
Unless Nunn really has moved up in the rankings, even with him we will not have an top-10 recruits.
Yeah I know, that's why I was talking about us not being in the top 5 of recruiting rankings when I said that...
BrewCity you are right, I never meant to tear down Strotty, I just find some of these articles tiresome...I didn't say oh Paint Touches is an awful website, all their articles suck, and they are useless. I like some of their articles, I like alot of what is written by them. I just never like getting excited about a recruit until he's no longer a recruit but a MU signee.
Quote from: jhags15 on August 06, 2012, 10:59:39 AM
Yeah I know, that's why I was talking about us not being in the top 5 of recruiting rankings when I said that...
BrewCity you are right, I never meant to tear down Strotty, I just find some of these articles tiresome...I didn't say oh Paint Touches is an awful website, all their articles suck, and they are useless. I like some of their articles, I like alot of what is written by them. I just never like getting excited about a recruit until he's no longer a recruit but a MU signee.
Well, there's no real way around it other than avoiding the threads. In the next few years, you will see countless threads and posts about Kevon Looney, Diamond Stone, Paul White, Keita Bates-Diop, Henry Ellenson, and other guys Marquette is pursuing. Not all of them will come to Marquette, but all of them will generate interest from some Marquette fans that frequent sites like this.
I'm pretty sure every college fanbase, whether basketball, football, or other sports, and even every pro fanbase will talk about prospective players. From recruits to potential draft picks to free agents, looking at how a team will improve is just the nature of fans. Not sure what to say outside of that.
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Quote from: jhags15 on August 06, 2012, 08:05:27 AM
How many times will we get excited about a recruit and write speculative articles that ultimately end in disappointment? Nunn is a good recruit, he is not a program changer. We will be great with him, we will be very good without him. We got excited about Gabe York, Shaw, and Tarik Black...0 for 3. Let's just stop trying to pretend that we're in a good spot and take it for what it is...a teenage boy making a decision who will change his opinions and mind multiple times throughout the process. What a waste of writing.
Quote from: jhags15 on August 06, 2012, 08:48:02 AM
I mean I am following it...but an article without sources, and without quotes from Nunn about our good standing with him is not something I would use to follow Marquette's recruiting. If you respond to a waste of writing with your own bit of writing, is your bit of writing not also a waste? MU's class will not be top 5 even with Nunn. UK, UNC, Kansas, Florida, UCLA, Zona (insert any other blueblood program) will be in that top 5 before us. We have 0 top 10 recruits, we will get 0 top 10 recruits this year and all of those programs will get 1 or 2. That is reality Lazer. I would be ecstatic with Nunn, but I won't take the writing of a student written, opinion based article as support for our standing with Nunn. I prefer quotes, and reliable sources for that. If a well-connected writer on a website like Rivals, Scout, or ESPN wants to write this article with solid proof of us being in a good position then I will start getting optimistic.
Does that work for you?
:'(
Nunn's reaction?
Quote from: jsglow on August 08, 2012, 09:36:21 PM
Nunn's reaction?
He immediately took to twitter to denounce any suggestion he was still interested in Marquette. I'm sure he was more aware of Todd's situation than any of us were when he trimmed his list to 5.