Great to hear!
Signed for 4 years. Go Knicks!
That's nice payday for him considering how close he was to being out of the league about 4 different times.
novak was never close to being out of the league. shooters like him, especially at his size, will always be able to land a roster spot.
How much is guaranteed and how much upfront? I'll be interested to see this, especially the guaranteed money. Great news.
Quote from: GOO on July 09, 2012, 02:45:09 PM
How much is guaranteed and how much upfront? I'll be interested to see this, especially the guaranteed money. Great news.
arent nba contracts all guaranteed?
CBS article says no options...thus all guaranteed.
Congrats to Steve.
Very nice for a skinny, slow guy with no hops!
Goes to show that if you have a skill and perfect that skill, it can take you far in life.
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/8144662/2012-nba-free-agency-steve-novak-stays-new-york-knicks-4-year-15m-deal
ESPN article.
No time to read this sheet now. Gotta go practice my jump shot.
And to think he owes it all to Tom Crean.
I'm happy to watch him up close out here with the Knicks but his worst portion of the season came at the end with a healthy Carmelo in the squad. Anthony is an offense killer and not sure Novak is best suited for the isolation game that Woodson wants to employ.
That said, $15 million is $15 million.
With Lin and Kidd in the fold he'll see shots.
Quote from: dwaderoy2004 on July 09, 2012, 02:28:25 PM
novak was never close to being out of the league. shooters like him, especially at his size, will always be able to land a roster spot.
Eh, he was pretty close there for a while. Congrats to Steve though, this is probably a real big day for him.
Another page added to I4's Media Guide!!!
It's nice to see him catch up salary-wise to the rest of us MU grads!
Quote from: MUBurrow on July 09, 2012, 02:47:58 PM
arent nba contracts all guaranteed?
No, most are, but not all. Sometimes guys coming off injury or fringe guys won't have fully guaranteed contracts. Novak's contract is fully guaranteed though.
$45,731.70 Gross isn't bad per game! ;D
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on July 09, 2012, 03:55:50 PM
I'm happy to watch him up close out here with the Knicks but his worst portion of the season came at the end with a healthy Carmelo in the squad. Anthony is an offense killer and not sure Novak is best suited for the isolation game that Woodson wants to employ.
That said, $15 million is $15 million.
Regardless of whether Steve lives up to his $15M payday, it's hard to dispute that he didn't earn every penny of it... the Knicks apparently think he has.
did diener get the full ~$14 million he signed for....at least that's the number that comes to my mind...seems like a lot as i type it.
My sister and her son were at Steve's BBall camp when Steve and his wife rec'd the good news today. They report lots of happy tears. Very nice!
Quote from: avid1010 on July 09, 2012, 05:43:45 PM
did diener get the full ~$14 million he signed for....at least that's the number that comes to my mind...seems like a lot as i type it.
From what I remember Travis signed with Indiana for $3-5 million over 3-4 years, think those numbers included a player or team option year. Deiner got traded or was released before the contract was up,so I'm not sure he got all of that.
Quote from: dwaderoy2004 on July 09, 2012, 02:28:25 PM
novak was never close to being out of the league. shooters like him, especially at his size, will always be able to land a roster spot.
Getting cut by multiple NBA teams and spending time in the D-League literally means "out of the league."
Quote from: StillWarriors on July 09, 2012, 04:07:36 PM
With Lin and Kidd in the fold he'll see shots.
Except Lin's not in the fold.
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/8133715/source-new-york-knicks-jeremy-lin-agrees-sign-offer-sheet-houston-rockets
Quote from: romey on July 09, 2012, 07:40:24 PM
Except Lin's not in the fold.
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/8133715/source-new-york-knicks-jeremy-lin-agrees-sign-offer-sheet-houston-rockets
Knicks will match.
Quote from: Blue Horseshoe on July 09, 2012, 07:20:26 PM
Getting cut by multiple NBA teams and spending time in the D-League literally means "out of the league."
He's been on a roster every single year...not sure what you guys want.
in the D-League means you are close to if not out of the league.
facts are facts.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on July 09, 2012, 09:51:33 PM
in the D-League means you are close to if not out of the league.
facts are facts.
Depends on your perspective. In the case of Dwight Buycks, being in the D-League means you're close to being in the league.
Quote from: Benny B on July 09, 2012, 10:01:41 PM
Depends on your perspective. In the case of Dwight Buycks, being in the D-League means you're close to being in the league.
No. Steve Novak was close to being out of the league because he was close to being out of the league. Being in the NBDL means you can not possibly be closer to being out of the league.
just amazes me that even this thread can turn into a pissing match here
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on July 09, 2012, 09:51:33 PM
in the D-League means you are close to if not out of the league.
facts are facts.
Except he's only been in the d-league twice. The first time in 2007, he was there for a month, while he was under contract with the rockets. Since he was under contract with the rockets, you can't say he was out of the league. The second time in 2011, he was there for THREE days. The fact is that over the last 6 full seasons, Novak wasn't on an active NBA roster for approximately 2 months, and only on two separate occasions. Novak was never close to being OUT of the league, and certainly not 4 times. Those are the facts. Just because he switched teams frequently does not mean he was almost out of the league.
Quote from: dwaderoy2004 on July 10, 2012, 09:40:11 AM
Except he's only been in the d-league twice. The first time in 2007, he was there for a month, while he was under contract with the rockets. Since he was under contract with the rockets, you can't say he was out of the league. The second time in 2011, he was there for THREE days. The fact is that over the last 6 full seasons, Novak wasn't on an active NBA roster for approximately 2 months, and only on two separate occasions. Novak was never close to being OUT of the league, and certainly not 4 times. Those are the facts. Just because he switched teams frequently does not mean he was almost out of the league.
Wouldn't "not on an NBA active roster during the season" be out of the league, albeit temporarily?
Quote from: Bocephys on July 10, 2012, 10:07:07 AM
Wouldn't "not on an NBA active roster during the season" be out of the league, albeit temporarily?
+1 EXACTLY.
you are presenting a totally revisionist history.
explain how he can come
closer to being out of the league. You just can't!
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on July 10, 2012, 10:23:25 AM
+1 EXACTLY.
you are presenting a totally revisionist history.
explain how he can come closer to being out of the league. You just can't!
Agreed. Why are so many people trying to make this something it isn't. Novak has been cut, spent time in the d-league, bounced around, and made quite a bit of money to do so.
So any player not under contract is out of the league? That's my point. Novak was always going to catch on with a team, thus he was never out of the league. Using your criteria, Tim Duncan is currently out of the league because he is an unrestricted free agent. So was Lebron James before he signed with Miami.
If a duke fan said that some dukie, who was on the d-league twice, was 'never close to being out of the league', you people would flip out.
Quote from: dwaderoy2004 on July 10, 2012, 11:20:29 AM
So any player not under contract is out of the league? That's my point. Novak was always going to catch on with a team, thus he was never out of the league. Using your criteria, Tim Duncan is currently out of the league because he is an unrestricted free agent. So was Lebron James before he signed with Miami.
Not at all. Not even close, that is totally misappropriating what I am saying. Free agents are clearly between contracts.
A guy who has spent time in the NBDL is clearly not in the NBA. He isn't on an active roster, or playing for an NBA team. He is by every definition of the word, "out of the league".
This isn't a 'once you are out, you are out forever' situation.
Steve is VERY fortunate to be still playing basketball, and I am very happy for him.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on July 10, 2012, 12:18:52 PM
Free agents are clearly between contracts.
Steve Novak was a free agent. He was clearly between contracts, considering he always signed another one. Right? I fail to see the difference as they are literally the same, other than your perception that James would definitely sign another contract and Novak may not. And again, he was UNDER CONTRACT with the Rockets the first time he was in the NBDL. The Rockets assigned him there. Look it up...
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on July 10, 2012, 12:18:52 PM
He isn't on an active roster, or playing for an NBA team.
Neither was Lebron when he was a free agent. He was, by every definition of the word, "out of the league".
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on July 10, 2012, 12:18:52 PM
This isn't a 'once you are out, you are out forever' situation.
Perhaps this is where we misunderstand each other. To me, guys like Jerel McNeal are out of the league, as there is little to no chance of them ever making a roster. Guys like Steve Novak, who are (or now were) journeymen, but end up on a roster for the most part of every NBA season, are not out of the league.
Quote from: dwaderoy2004 on July 10, 2012, 11:20:29 AM
So any player not under contract is out of the league? That's my point. Novak was always going to catch on with a team, thus he was never out of the league. Using your criteria, Tim Duncan is currently out of the league because he is an unrestricted free agent. So was Lebron James before he signed with Miami.
Which is precisely why I said not on an NBA active roster
during the NBA season. That precludes your erroneous inclusion of free agents. For the life of me I do not know why you're fighting this. You're alone on an island. Just because you always believed that Steve would find another contract doesn't change the fact that there were moments while the NBA season was underway where had no contract in hand and was out of the league.
Quote from: Bocephys on July 10, 2012, 01:06:25 PM
Which is precisely why I said not on an NBA active roster during the NBA season. That precludes your erroneous inclusion of free agents. For the life of me I do not know why you're fighting this. You're alone on an island. Just because you always believed that Steve would find another contract doesn't change the fact that there were moments while the NBA season was underway where had no contract in hand and was out of the league.
Because I disagree with you. Why are you fighting it?
Quote from: dwaderoy2004 on July 10, 2012, 01:08:29 PM
Because I disagree with you.
Guys that are not signed with an NBA team for a month (January 2011) during an active NBA season and play under a series of 10 day contracts for another month are close to being out of the league. If not, who would you classify as close to being out of the league?
On point, congrats to Steve Novak! He has one exceptional skill that is always needed in basketball (especially at his size). Great to see him cashing in on that.
Quote from: jmayer1 on July 10, 2012, 01:11:05 PM
Guys that are not signed with an NBA team for a month (January 2011) during an active NBA season and play under a series of 10 day contracts for another month are close to being out of the league. If not, who would you classify as close to being out of the league?
That's a fair point. But then that would only be one instance where he was "close" to being out of the league. I had a problem with the original post stating he was out of the league or close to it 4 times. That's a total misrepresentation of his career. I maintain that he was never "out" of the league, but will cede that he was close to it one time.
Quote from: dwaderoy2004 on July 10, 2012, 01:19:43 PM
That's a fair point. But then that would only be one instance where he was "close" to being out of the league. I had a problem with the original post stating he was out of the league or close to it 4 times. That's a total misrepresentation of his career. I maintain that he was never "out" of the league, but will cede that he was close to it one time.
That's fair.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on July 10, 2012, 06:38:23 AM
Being in the NBDL means you can not possibly be closer to being out of the league.
Go on...
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on July 10, 2012, 10:23:25 AM
explain how he can come closer to being out of the league.
Play poker with Gilbert Arenas, bluff on every hand, and don't pay him back.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on July 10, 2012, 12:18:52 PM
A guy who has spent time in the NBDL is clearly not in the NBA. He isn't on an active roster, or playing for an NBA team. He is by every definition of the word, "out of the league".
Wrong... being in the NBDL means you can not possibly be
closer to being out of the league.
Do you gentlemen realize how lucky we were to watch for four years not only the best shooter in Wisconsin lore but perhaps the nation? Goosebumps when I watched him make thirty threes in a row at Marquette Madness one year.
I'll thank Tom Crean for that recruitment!
Quote from: dwaderoy2004 on July 10, 2012, 01:08:29 PM
Because I disagree with you. Why are you fighting it?
I honestly don't know anymore, so I'll let this be the end. My original post utilized a bit of hyperbole and I pulled the number 4 out of thin air, but it's not far off.
1 - Didn't make the Rocket's playoff roster in 2007, then started the next year in the D-League.
2 - No one signed him during free agency, went to Dallas as a training camp invitee, finally gets contract offer in late September
3 - Cut by Dallas before his contract became guaranteed, didn't have any contract for a month during the heart of the NBA season
4 - Cut by the Spurs right before last season started, luckily the Knicks claimed him
The biggest surprise is that it took Dantoni this long to realize that they were made for each other. How great would it have been to see him get PT with nash.
Quote from: JDuquaine on July 09, 2012, 05:10:11 PM
$45,731.70 Gross isn't bad per game! ;D
That's just a little more than the average salary down here in Alabama.
Oh, you said per game.
Quote from: Stone Cold on July 10, 2012, 02:38:13 PM
Do you gentlemen realize how lucky we were to watch for four years not only the best shooter in Wisconsin lore but perhaps the nation? Goosebumps when I watched him make thirty threes in a row at Marquette Madness one year.
I'll thank Tom Crean for that recruitment!
I can remember reading that Crean went to his HS basketball banquet to see Steve get his team's MVP award at the end of Steve's
sophomore year. I pretty much thought that we would get Novak from then on, unless North Carolina offered. Novak seemed to have a serious unrequited thing going on with UNC.