Todd Mayo has been suspended for academics. He is currently taking summer classes.
Can summer classes fix it in time for the season?
Just like high school, aina?
Not finding anything about this online or on Twitter...any more details?
Nothing official, just stolen from the scout insider board...
In some respect I'd consider that "good" in that it suggests he'll be back once he gets things in order.
Is this one of those "offseason-only suspensions" that I like to make fun of when other schools do it? Shoot. I guess I'll have to poke fun at MU now too.
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Not sure what effect a suspension has. So he can't practice with the team that can't practice until October anyhow?
Does this bar him from all of the team's facilities. I would imagine he is not able to practice at the Al with the guys right now. I am ecstatic that this is the only fire behind the smoke. Hopefully he gets it together.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on June 28, 2012, 08:33:14 AM
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Not sure what effect a suspension has. So he can't practice with the team that can't practice until October anyhow?
sounds like a great time to be suspended! The question is how will it affect his playing time? He can still be in the gym and take part in open gym, and probably the pro-am... Sooooo like topper said, what is the real negative effect for Todd?
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Not sure what effect a suspension has. So he can't practice with the team that can't practice until October anyhow?
Team activities and individual workouts, I'm guessing. The first summer session ends Saturday, so we might have an idea soon.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on June 28, 2012, 08:35:53 AM
sounds like a great time to be suspended!...what is the real negative effect for Todd?
Wow, quite the positive post. The amount of money and resources Marquette/Buzz invests in these players and he can't maintain a 2.0? Reflects poorly on the program if you ask me. I've read many stories about recruits interactions with Buzz, they always mention how he primarily talks about life, school, faith, family, etc....events like this hurt credibility. Speaks to Todd's lack of maturity we saw on the court at times last year. Hopefully it's a wake up call.
It shouldn't be a negative for buzz, he can't take all of the players tests for them. You are bound to have kids that don't do well in school, doesn't mean the coach is doing something wrong.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on June 28, 2012, 08:20:19 AM
Is this one of those "offseason-only suspensions" that I like to make fun of when other schools do it? Shoot. I guess I'll have to poke fun at MU now too.
It would seem so.
This means nothing to me unless he starts missing time when practice starts in October.
In all fairness, when are you supposed to suspend a frosh. basketball player?
He might have been ok first semester, and then struggled to finish up strong in the spring. Are they supposed to wait until fall to suspend him? Why not do it now and push him hard in summer school.
Plus, do we know if this is a NCAA mandated type of thing, or is this a Buzz trying to motivate a player type of thing?
Mayo might be technically eligible (I don't know), and this might be MU motivating a kid who is on the boarderline.
This may not just be an offseason suspension. There could be other reasons that he is not able to take part in team activities, mainly that he is not enrolled in classes here for the summer. Not saying he won't be this fall, but why would Mayo be in Milwaukee if he was suspended from the team? Possibly failed or dropped his summer classes and now he can't take part in team activities. Sounds much more plausible than just suspended from the team...
Quote from: ibechillindoe on June 28, 2012, 09:06:03 AM
This may not just be an offseason suspension. There could be other reasons that he is not able to take part in team activities, mainly that he is not enrolled in classes here for the summer. Not saying he won't be this fall, but why would Mayo be in Milwaukee if he was suspended from the team? Possibly failed or dropped his summer classes and now he can't take part in team activities. Sounds much more plausible than just suspended from the team...
No he is suspended for academic reasons, and when you are suspended you cannot participate in team activities. He very well could be taking classes elsewhere (MATC) that he could transfer to Marquette.
He has both summer sessions to make up for any deficiencies, and I don't think he can be reinstated prior to the end of the second summer session.
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on June 28, 2012, 08:52:17 AM
It would seem so.
This means nothing to me unless he starts missing time when practice starts in October.
Let me go out on a limb here and say that if he isn't off suspension by the end of the summer, he won't even be here when school starts.
Quote from: esotericmindguy on June 28, 2012, 08:44:55 AM
The amount of money and resources Marquette/Buzz invests in these players and he can't maintain a 2.0? Reflects poorly on the program if you ask me.
I'd say it reflects poorly on the individual who does not take advantage of the resources available to him. I also hope it's an effective wake up call.
You can lead a horse to water.....
If I have my facts straight, Mayo has been to a different school every year since 8th grade. Hard to break a pattern like that.
No reflection on Buzz at all IMO. The kids know what is expecting of them and all the tools are there for them to succeed. If any fails it because they were flat out lazy or in way over their head academically.
Please don't tell me this is just a rumor stemming from Todd not being at the BBQ yesterday...
I think it reflects poorly on Todd, Buzz, and the whole program. That might be unfair, but it creates a certain public perception.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on June 28, 2012, 08:33:14 AM
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Maybe the point is that the info wasn't meant to be leaked any further than that. But you don't care about that, do you?
Quote from: icheights on June 28, 2012, 09:31:50 AM
Please don't tell me this is just a rumor stemming from Todd not being at the BBQ yesterday...
Nope. He is suspended. My understanding is that he almost didn't remain eligible during the year last year.
He is not with the team again this week at camp (I ask my son every day). Someone in another thread from last week said he was on campus though.
Quote from: AZWarrior on June 28, 2012, 09:21:46 AM
I'd say it reflects poorly on the individual who does not take advantage of the resources available to him. I also hope it's an effective wake up call.
You can lead a horse to water.....
Not to be a dick AZWarrior - But we could also say it reflects poorly on the individual who judges another individual's academics without knowing a whole lot about the situation. Mayo attended, I believe, 4 different high schools, moved around a lot - the only constant thing in his life has been basketball.
We also know there have been numerous rumors that MU was raising its academic/eligibility standards above NCAA minimums. If no credence to the rumors, how did they get started? Though the gomarquette.com website doesn't reflect any changes to the standards, the content for that site is certainly controlled by the people who oversee the athletic department - namely the person rumored to be behind the raised academic standards for athletes. The same person who has taken some heat from some alums, and who's popularity isn't exactly off the charts.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on June 28, 2012, 09:34:59 AM
Nope. He is suspended. My understanding is that he almost didn't remain eligible during the year last year.
Interesting. So if he was able to remain eligible during last season, why would he be suspended over the summer?? Can we find any NCAA policy that dictates this? Don't ever recall hearing a player being suspended over the summer for academics?
Quote from: Ners on June 28, 2012, 09:45:52 AM
Interesting. So if he was able to remain eligible during last season, why would he be suspended over the summer?? Can we find any NCAA policy that dictates this? Don't ever recall hearing a player being suspended over the summer for academics?
Classes don't end until after March Madness. At most, his eligibility would have been impacted by mid-term grades. That has nothing to do with the grades he would have received in May. So if his grades were down by the end of the school year, it makes perfect sense that the suspension would start to take effect and need to be corrected in the summer.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on June 28, 2012, 09:13:07 AM
No he is suspended for academic reasons, and when you are suspended you cannot participate in team activities. He very well could be taking classes elsewhere (MATC) that he could transfer to Marquette.
He has both summer sessions to make up for any deficiencies, and I don't think he can be reinstated prior to the end of the second summer session.
He has to be taking the classes at Marquette to help his GPA. I was there from 04-08 and they didn't allow the grades to transfer from other institutions. It was just a "completed" type grade if you transferred the credits.
Quote from: murara1994 on June 28, 2012, 09:34:36 AM
Maybe the point is that the info wasn't meant to be leaked any further than that. But you don't care about that, do you?
Ok, first "leaked any further than that" is lunacy. "Leak it, but only so far, to a select group of people who pay for leaks, then no further."? Uh huh.
In any event, I cared enough to remind people of our policy. It is a bell that can't be unrung at this point.
Quote from: murara1994 on June 28, 2012, 09:34:36 AM
Maybe the point is that the info wasn't meant to be leaked any further than that. But you don't care about that, do you?
Dodds posted something similiar on the Scout free board at 12:37 AM. This thread was started after 1AM. Maybe you can take up the value of your membership and its info with him.
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on June 28, 2012, 10:19:27 AM
Dodds posted something similiar on the Scout free board at 12:37 AM. This thread was started after 1AM. Maybe you can take up the value of your membership and its info with him.
Game, set, match.
Quote from: LAMUfan on June 28, 2012, 08:52:05 AM
It shouldn't be a negative for buzz, he can't take all of the players tests for them. You are bound to have kids that don't do well in school, doesn't mean the coach is doing something wrong.
+1
Quote from: Ners on June 28, 2012, 09:41:03 AM
Not to be a dick AZWarrior - But we could also say it reflects poorly on the individual who judges another individual's academics
No worries, Ners. I agree that everything you say is plausible, though much is not known or knowable (by us). I will still assign the bulk of responsibility to the player.
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Guard Todd Mayo has been suspended from basketball activities for a violation of team rules, a source confirmed. No timetable for his return
Violation of team rules=Academics??
Lots of FR struggle a bit with School. I think everybody that does not know the situation personally should refrain from making coments. It sound like he knows what he needs to do and is in school trying to get that done. I hope he does. If that is at the end of summer or even the end of the 1st semester.
Quote from: Ners on June 28, 2012, 09:41:03 AM
Not to be a dick AZWarrior - But we could also say it reflects poorly on the individual who judges another individual's academics without knowing a whole lot about the situation. Mayo attended, I believe, 4 different high schools, moved around a lot - the only constant thing in his life has been basketball.
We also know there have been numerous rumors that MU was raising its academic/eligibility standards above NCAA minimums. If no credence to the rumors, how did they get started?
This is the ultimate in circular logic. If a rumor isn't true, then how come there's a rumor?
Though I'm shocked you found a way to spin this on to Larry Williams.
Sometimes when you take on a kid who's an academic risk it leads to eligibility issues. Todd Mayo, given his background, was an academic risk. After all, most kids his age are close to finishing college, not just starting it. It's not the first time this has happened at MU, nor will it be the last. If Todd fails to qualify, it's not the fault of Buzz Williams, Larry Williams or Marquette University. It'll be Todd's fault.
Somebody enroll Todd in History of Jazz.
It sure is annoying to see this stuff pop up. I know these athletes are asked to do a lot and put in a lot of work, but essentially the expectations placed on them:
- keep passing grades
- don't get arrested/violate the law
- show up on time for practice/training
Why is this so impossible for a large number of college athletes? I am sick of hearing about athletes on our team (and others) failing at these incredibly basic tasks. For the amount of resources devoted to them as D1 athletes, it absolutely boggles my mind how some of them struggle. They have tutors/staff/administrators whose jobs are simply to ensure that they succeed. I don't know the situation with Todd, but I find it hard to be sympathetic toward him.
Within the last two weeks MU has posted academic requirements that exceed those required by the NCAA.
Quote from: LAZER on June 28, 2012, 09:32:18 AM
I think it reflects poorly on Todd, Buzz, and the whole program. That might be unfair, but it creates a certain public perception.
No, it reflects well on our program. What is one of the most frequent criticisms from our friends to the west? That all of the basketball players are not held academically responsible, that they just get rubber-stamped through. That Todd failed to meet academic standards and now has to get his grades in order before he can rejoin the team sends a huge message.
Big difference between being suspended and being ineligible. If both, it's unfortunate. If it's just a suspension by Buzz (b/c of LW) I might say it reflects favorably on the program in some respects.
Quote from: tower912 on June 28, 2012, 11:22:56 AM
No, it reflects well on our program. What is one of the most frequent criticisms from our friends to the west? That all of the basketball players are not held academically responsible, that they just get rubber-stamped through. That Todd failed to meet academic standards and now has to get his grades in order before he can rejoin the team sends a huge message.
I think that's really trying to find a silver lining in this. It's never a good thing when one of your players is academically ineligible(if it is in fact all true). Anyway you slice it, someone isn't getting the job done. Having said that, MU has an awesome academic track record and one that I am very proud of as an alum, but the bottom line is that it's disappointing when a player can't cut it academically. They all get the help/assistance they need, it's whether or not they care enough to pull the grades.
Quote from: LAZER on June 28, 2012, 09:32:18 AM
I think it reflects poorly on Todd, Buzz, and the whole program. That might be unfair, but it creates a certain public perception.
I disagree. I think it reflects POSITIVELY on the program and on the general perception of the program. It means that Marquette takes academics seriously and doesn't just push kids through so they can play. It means if you're on the floor in a Marquette uniform you are doing your job in the classroom. If this happened at another school, that is what I would think about the situation.
It may negatively effect the perception of the program to incoming athletes, however, and that could be a problem.
Addendum: Sorry tower912. If I had read your post before I replied I'd have just stuck a +1 after it.
So the academic standards were raised and now the long rumored Mayo suspension is here? Wonder what madtownwarrior thinks about all of this. Clearly we were all idiots for discussing this before.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on June 28, 2012, 10:03:57 AM
Ok, first "leaked any further than that" is lunacy. "Leak it, but only so far, to a select group of people who pay for leaks, then no further."? Uh huh.
In any event, I cared enough to remind people of our policy. It is a bell that can't be unrung at this point.
I did not post anything about this until Dodds posted on the free board at Scout. Just letting you know it was widely talked about at the BBQ yesterday. Things get spread easily by word of mouth.
Quote from: LAZER on June 28, 2012, 11:30:01 AM
I think that's really trying to find a silver lining in this. It's never a good thing when one of your players is academically ineligible(if it is in fact all true). Anyway you slice it, someone isn't getting the job done. Having said that, MU has an awesome academic track record and one that I am very proud of as an alum, but the bottom line is that it's disappointing when a player can't cut it academically. They all get the help/assistance they need, it's whether or not they care enough to pull the grades.
I see Todd as the exception that proves the rule. MU argues that it holds the players accountable but thanks to the world class academic support, >90% graduate. Wiscy-fan argues that MU just rubber stamps the athletes and is no better than a JUCO/diploma factory. This proves that (A) MU athletes are held academically accountable (B) ergo the academic support must be world class for MU to have such a high graduation rate, and (C) sometimes even with the best efforts and support students fall short. Hopefully this is a short term setback and a way can be found to help Todd with his education. Sometimes it is just a matter of finding a more effective way to teach, as the student learns differently.
Mayo to UCONN?
Quote from: murara1994 on June 28, 2012, 09:34:36 AM
Maybe the point is that the info wasn't meant to be leaked any further than that. But you don't care about that, do you?
Statements like this make me hate the other board even more.
Quote from: Pakuni on June 28, 2012, 11:09:09 AM
Sometimes when you take on a kid who's an academic risk it leads to eligibility issues. Todd Mayo, given his background, was an academic risk. After all, most kids his age are close to finishing college, not just starting it. It's not the first time this has happened at MU, nor will it be the last. If Todd fails to qualify, it's not the fault of Buzz Williams, Larry Williams or Marquette University. It'll be Todd's fault.
Right on the money.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on June 28, 2012, 11:22:48 AM
Within the last two weeks MU has posted academic requirements that exceed those required by the NCAA.
Are you sure? What's changed?
Edit: I think I found it, but maybe I'm not seeing the same thing you are.
Quote from: Bocephys on June 28, 2012, 11:40:37 AM
So the academic standards were raised and now the long rumored Mayo suspension is here? Wonder what madtownwarrior thinks about all of this. Clearly we were all idiots for discussing this before.
As best as I can tell, if there was a change in academic requirements, it went from requiring a 1.8 GPA after freshman year, a 1.9 after sophomore year and 2.0 by senior year to a flat 2.0 for all years.
Hiroshima!
Edit: Just to back that up, here's what the NCAA regulations say about GPA:
What are the Division I grade-point average requirements to remain eligible?
Student-athletes must achieve 90 percent of the institution's minimum overall grade-point average necessary to graduate (for example, 1.8) by the beginning of year two, 95 percent of the minimum GPA (1.9) by year three and 100 percent (2.0) by year four.
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/NCAA/Eligibility/Remaining+Eligible/Academics
And here are MU's requirements:
First and Second Year Student-Athletes
• Must be enrolled full-time (12 credits per semester).
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Must have a minimum of a 2.0 GPA at the beginning of second year.• Must follow principles set forth in the Academic Principles Agreement.
• Must complete a minimum of 24 credits per academic year with no more than six of those credits earned during the summer session.
Entering Third Year Student-Athletes
• Must be enrolled full-time (12 credits per semester).
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Must have a cumulative GPA of 2.0.• Must have declared a major and completed 40% of the credits required for their bachelors degree program.
• Must complete a minimum of 24 credits per academic year with no more than six of those credits earned during the summer session.
• Must have earned 6 credits the previous semester.
Entering Fourth Year Student-Athletes
• Must be enrolled full-time (12 credits per semester). If less than 12 credits are needed to complete degree requirements, the student-athlete may remain eligible by enrolling part-time in the credits needed to meet degree requirements. Verification from college is required.
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Must attain a cumulative GPA of 2.0.• Must have completed 60% of the course requirements for the degree program. Fifth-year athletes must have completed 80% of degree requirements, and have a cumulative GPA of 2.0.
http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/acad-comp/spec-rel/070110aaa.html
Quote from: Pakuni on June 28, 2012, 12:41:28 PM
As best as I can tell, if there was a change in academic requirements, it went from requiring a 1.8 GPA after freshman year, a 1.9 after sophomore year and 2.0 by senior year to a flat 2.0 for all years.
Hiroshima!
Clearly Larry has dropped the bomb.
Quote from: hdog1017 on June 28, 2012, 11:15:47 AM
Somebody enroll Todd in History of Jazz.
Sadly, our boy John Grams has passed away. R.I.P.
Quote from: tower912 on June 28, 2012, 11:50:49 AM
I see Todd as the exception that proves the rule. MU argues that it holds the players accountable but thanks to the world class academic support, >90% graduate. Wiscy-fan argues that MU just rubber stamps the athletes and is no better than a JUCO/diploma factory. This proves that (A) MU athletes are held academically accountable (B) ergo the academic support must be world class for MU to have such a high graduation rate, and (C) sometimes even with the best efforts and support students fall short. Hopefully this is a short term setback and a way can be found to help Todd with his education. Sometimes it is just a matter of finding a more effective way to teach, as the student learns differently.
Wisky fans have absolutely nothing to say after producing Ron Dayne.
What I don't understand about the new standards are the fact that by the time they are a junior, they still need to have a 2.0 cumulative. But instead of going 1.8 and 1.9 to get there, they have to go 2.0 and 2.0 to get there? To me, unless I am missing something, it is a little silly to up the bar for the first two years only to keep it the same after year three. What's the point?
Quote from: tower912 on June 28, 2012, 11:50:49 AM
I see Todd as the exception that proves the rule. MU argues that it holds the players accountable but thanks to the world class academic support, >90% graduate. Wiscy-fan argues that MU just rubber stamps the athletes and is no better than a JUCO/diploma factory. This proves that (A) MU athletes are held academically accountable (B) ergo the academic support must be world class for MU to have such a high graduation rate, and (C) sometimes even with the best efforts and support students fall short. Hopefully this is a short term setback and a way can be found to help Todd with his education. Sometimes it is just a matter of finding a more effective way to teach, as the student learns differently.
+1
I have a friend who is in the department who provides acedemic support to athletes, and is someone who I respect. This individual supports athletes in sports other than B Ball. From what I've learned from our discussions, the support is there to help Todd, or any athlete be successful. It is up to the athlete.
It's not entirely accurate to say that Mayo has been suspended because academic standards were raised. That's all I'll say, but what I've gathered is this is Todd's mess-up and his to fix.
So a)Marquette retroactively raised eligiility requirements and, b)for now anyway, we have a player who likely meets NCAA (UW, Indiana, Syracuse, etc.) standards but not MU's new ones. Exactly what muguru said a)would and b)could happen. I'm sure madtown, lab, Hoop and others will be quick with their apologies. The price of tinfoil is going up.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 28, 2012, 01:29:22 PM
So a)Marquette retroactively raised eligiility requirements and, b)for now anyway, we have a player who likely meets NCAA (UW, Indiana, Syracuse, etc.) standards but not MU's new ones. Exactly what muguru said a)would and b)could happen. I'm sure madtown, lab, Hoop and others will be quick with their apologies. The price of tinfoil is going up.
Agree totally. Let's see if they are classy enough to do it.
Well.. I think that's a reasonable middle ground for everyone. While it doesn't say anything about admissions, our eligibility requirements are > Stanford
http://www.gostanford.com/compliance/current-athletes-aceligibility-progress.html
and > Duke
http://www.goduke.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=4200&ATCLID=205076744
and > Georgetown
http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/gu/genrel/auto_pdf/SAHandbook.pdf
and of course > Harvard... I mean Wisconsin
http://www.uwbadgers.com/compliance/academic-eligibility.html
In addition, if it doesn't impact admissions, I would say this helps Buzz's recruiting/message to parents and stresses the importance of academics at MU over others who just talk about it.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 28, 2012, 01:29:22 PM
So a)Marquette retroactively raised eligiility requirements and, b)for now anyway, we have a player who likely meets NCAA (UW, Indiana, Syracuse, etc.) standards but not MU's new ones.
You have no idea if "b" is the case, and in fact strotty implies it isn't.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 28, 2012, 01:29:22 PM
So a)Marquette retroactively raised eligiility requirements and, b)for now anyway, we have a player who likely meets NCAA (UW, Indiana, Syracuse, etc.) standards but not MU's new ones. Exactly what muguru said a)would and b)could happen. I'm sure madtown, lab, Hoop and others will be quick with their apologies. The price of tinfoil is going up.
How do we know that he's only ineligible because the academic standards were raised? Maybe he was ineligible with the old standards as well.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 28, 2012, 01:29:22 PM
So a)Marquette retroactively raised eligiility requirements and, b)for now anyway, we have a player who likely meets NCAA (UW, Indiana, Syracuse, etc.) standards but not MU's new ones. Exactly what muguru said a)would and b)could happen. I'm sure madtown, lab, Hoop and others will be quick with their apologies. The price of tinfoil is going up.
I will absolutely admit I was wrong, but I'm not sure we know that yet. Strotty seems like a good source to this point and he implies it's not a "retro problem"
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Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 28, 2012, 01:29:22 PM
So a)Marquette retroactively raised eligiility requirements and, b)for now anyway, we have a player who likely meets NCAA (UW, Indiana, Syracuse, etc.) standards but not MU's new ones. Exactly what muguru said a)would and b)could happen. I'm sure madtown, lab, Hoop and others will be quick with their apologies. The price of tinfoil is going up.
Who said they did anything retroactively?
What's your basis for saying Todd "likely" meets NCAA standards? Do you have access to his transcripts?
Do you see raising the GPA two-tenths of one point for incoming sophomores and one-tenth of one point for incoming juniors as Hiroshima?
Grasping at straws, my man.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on June 28, 2012, 01:26:15 PM
What I don't understand about the new standards are the fact that by the time they are a junior, they still need to have a 2.0 cumulative. But instead of going 1.8 and 1.9 to get there, they have to go 2.0 and 2.0 to get there? To me, unless I am missing something, it is a little silly to up the bar for the first two years only to keep it the same after year three. What's the point?
I believe and don't know how others feel, but a 2.0 is a fair barometer for athlete's grade. If one cannot attain that level then maybe they should not be on a team.
By the way, there is also no evidence to support that the standards were raised retroactively.
We all know that MU bent over backwards to get Todd here despite his academics. And we all knew that he's had continued academic troubles at MU, right?
Sorry I didn't bring this up earlier. I thought it was already common knowledge. I guess it wasn't since we're already on page 3.
absolutely no apology from me - no facts that MU retroactively raised anything. TM rumored to have flirted with academic eligibility last year. He may not even made a 1.8 cut-off far as we know, much less a 2.0
I see no Hiroshima outrage at the situation- far over-blown if this is the only impact.
And as others said, a 2.0 is really not a big deal given the major chosen and academic support available...
Do you think if he meet the 1.8 but not the 2.0 imposed by MU that TM would actually stick it out at MU or transfer to another school - which he could easily do. The fact that he is in summer schools stills seems to point out there is more to the situation.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 28, 2012, 01:29:22 PM
So a)Marquette retroactively raised eligiility requirements and, b)for now anyway, we have a player who likely meets NCAA (UW, Indiana, Syracuse, etc.) standards but not MU's new ones. Exactly what muguru said a)would and b)could happen. I'm sure madtown, lab, Hoop and others will be quick with their apologies. The price of tinfoil is going up.
Quote from: strotty on June 28, 2012, 01:29:12 PM
It's not entirely accurate to say that Mayo has been suspended because academic standards were raised. That's all I'll say, but what I've gathered is this is Todd's mess-up and his to fix.
Thank you. From what I know, this has nothing to do with increased standards and much more to do with Todd messing up academically. He can not participate in team activities because he is not enrolled in class at Marquette this summer. He must have been enrolled to start the summer, and my knowledge is that he was failing the classes, thus dropping was the only option to keep his GPA up high enough for the fall. This would account for why he is here in Milwaukee. Not the whole argument that someone used before with summer classes somewhere else.
Quote from: ibechillindoe on June 28, 2012, 02:09:19 PM
Thank you. From what I know, this has nothing to do with increased standards and much more to do with Todd messing up academically. He can not participate in team activities because he is not enrolled in class at Marquette this summer. He must have been enrolled to start the summer, and my knowledge is that he was failing the classes, thus dropping was the only option to keep his GPA up high enough for the fall. This would account for why he is here in Milwaukee. Not the whole argument that someone used before with summer classes somewhere else.
I believe this post has many speculations that are not accurate. The reason that he isn't involved in team activities isn't because he isn't enrolled.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on June 28, 2012, 02:24:17 PM
I believe this post has many speculations that are not accurate. The reason that he isn't involved in team activities isn't because he isn't enrolled.
And none of your post or anyone else's post have speculation??? What part do you not believe is accurate. I can tell you that everything I said is accurate from what I have heard. Everyone is committed to this idea of Hiroshima and increased standards, but they have no facts besides speculation that any of that is true.
I would also like to clairfy, when I mean enrolled i mean just for the summer. From what I have heard Todd dropped his summer classes from failing them. He did this to keep his GPA above the line for the fall. So Sultan where do you believe I am not accurate? Or is your speculation just right?
Quote from: ibechillindoe on June 28, 2012, 02:09:19 PM
Thank you. From what I know, this has nothing to do with increased standards and much more to do with Todd messing up academically. He can not participate in team activities because he is not enrolled in class at Marquette this summer. He must have been enrolled to start the summer, and my knowledge is that he was failing the classes, thus dropping was the only option to keep his GPA up high enough for the fall. This would account for why he is here in Milwaukee. Not the whole argument that someone used before with summer classes somewhere else.
I'm not trying to pick a fight, I'm honestly trying to understand:
How do we know Todd's not enrolled in classes this summer?
And I'm missing the link on this part: he was enrolled to begin the summer, was failing, dropped the classes, and ... he's still here? To do what, exactly? If he's not taking classes and can't participate in team activities, what's the point of being in Milwaukee?
Quote from: Rubie Q on June 28, 2012, 02:32:03 PM
If he's not taking classes and can't participate in team activities, what's the point of being in Milwaukee?
Summerfest?
Clearly we all hope that he gets his grades up and is eligible come fall, but in the mean time if he isn't in Milwaukee then I'm guessing he is in LA again working out with his bro and all the other pros he worked out with last summer. Going up against those guys day in day out can only help us on the court, it's up to him to improve off the court.
Quote from: ibechillindoe on June 28, 2012, 02:31:46 PM
And none of your post or anyone else's post have speculation??? What part do you not believe is accurate. I can tell you that everything I said is accurate from what I have heard. Everyone is committed to this idea of Hiroshima and increased standards, but they have no facts besides speculation that any of that is true.
I would also like to clairfy, when I mean enrolled i mean just for the summer. From what I have heard Todd dropped his summer classes from failing them. He did this to keep his GPA above the line for the fall. So Sultan where do you believe I am not accurate? Or is your speculation just right?
What I have been told....
Todd's GPA was below the threshold to end the year....not sure if it was old or new standards...
Todd has been enrolled during the summer...
Todd did fine during the first summer session....
Todd continues to be enrolled...the reason he isn't involved with team activities doesn't have to do with enrollment...
OK?
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on June 28, 2012, 02:42:50 PM
What I have been told....
Todd's GPA was below the threshold to end the year....not sure if it was old or new standards...
Todd has been enrolled during the summer...
Todd did fine during the first summer session....
Todd continues to be enrolled...the reason he isn't involved with team activities doesn't have to do with enrollment...
OK?
Not involved in team activities. Hopefully that means he is involved in studying with his academic advisors and b-ball is on back burner.
Is first session over? I thought it ended this week.
It does end this week.
Sorry...I meant "doing well." But apparently he is doing well this session from what I have been told.
Quote from: Jam Chowder on June 28, 2012, 11:18:32 AM
It sure is annoying to see this stuff pop up. I know these athletes are asked to do a lot and put in a lot of work, but essentially the expectations placed on them:
- keep passing grades
- don't get arrested/violate the law
- show up on time for practice/training
Why is this so impossible for a large number of college athletes? I am sick of hearing about athletes on our team (and others) failing at these incredibly basic tasks. For the amount of resources devoted to them as D1 athletes, it absolutely boggles my mind how some of them struggle. They have tutors/staff/administrators whose jobs are simply to ensure that they succeed. I don't know the situation with Todd, but I find it hard to be sympathetic toward him.
This also was impossible for two guys on my floor freshman year; they never saw their sophomore year. It also was impossible for my very intelligent son (3.6 GPA in high school; 30 on ACT), who didn't do the work during his one year at a Big Ten school and was kicked out of school.
And none of the above had anything close to the demands a D-1 athlete faces.
Not to excuse Mayo at all, just stating facts. Some are college material and some really aren't. That applies to jocks and non-jocks. At most schools, including Marquette if I'm not mistaken, jocks have better graduation rates than non-jocks.
Quote from: nyg on June 28, 2012, 01:57:58 PM
I believe and don't know how others feel, but a 2.0 is a fair barometer for athlete's grade. If one cannot attain that level then maybe they should not be on a team.
2.0 is fair barometer for any student.
Even I had a 2.0, and I pretty much treated every class as optional.
Quote from: Pakuni on June 28, 2012, 01:48:26 PM
Who said they did anything retroactively?
What's your basis for saying Todd "likely" meets NCAA standards? Do you have access to his transcripts?
Do you see raising the GPA two-tenths of one point for incoming sophomores and one-tenth of one point for incoming juniors as Hiroshima?
Grasping at straws, my man.
1. When Todd signed his LOI the requirement for eligibility after freshman year at Marquette was the NCAA requirement (1.8). That remained the requirement when he enrolled. I don't think it was changed until at least the second semester, but any time after his commitment/enrollment makes it retroactive.
2. You're right, "likely" is a poor choice of words, but he was close enough to a 2.0 to make summer school a possibility for reaching that threshold.
3.Do I think .2 of a point (11.1%) is that big of a deal? Well if Todd Mayo ends up with a 1.8 or a 1.9 or a 1.99 after summer school (good enough at Duke, Stanford, UW, etc.) and Marquette 86s him, then yes, I think it's a big deal.
Im still waiting for the goofy wisco people to get down on this.. even tho,
Wisco's Greg Stiemsma, and Marcus Landry , were academically ineligible back in 2006, and it seem to work out ok for them..
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 28, 2012, 04:11:48 PM
3.Do I think .2 of a point (10.1%) is that big of a deal? Well if Todd Mayo ends up with a 1.8 or a 1.9 or a 1.99 after summer school (good enough at Duke, Stanford, UW, etc.) and Marquette 86s him, then yes, I think it's a big deal.
Like a "Hiroshima big deal", or Korean Conflict big deal?
What if todd ends up with a 1.79, then shame on todd for being a frack up?
Quote from: Guns n Ammo on June 28, 2012, 04:17:41 PM
What if todd ends up with a 1.79, then shame on todd for being a frack up?
Exactly. There has to be a cutoff. I'm okay with using the same one Stanford, Duke and UW use. Especially if the rule changed in midstream.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 28, 2012, 04:21:50 PM
Especially if the rule changed in midstream.
no man can change anything in midstream!
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 28, 2012, 04:21:50 PM
Exactly. There has to be a cutoff. I'm okay with using the same one Stanford, Duke and UW use. Especially if the rule changed in midstream.
Alright.
I'll save my outrage until I hear if he got a 1.79, or a 1.8.
If this goes the wrong way, prepare for Nagasaki.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 28, 2012, 04:11:48 PM
1. When Todd signed his LOI the requirement for eligibility after freshman year at Marquette was the NCAA requirement (1.8). That remained the requirement when he enrolled. I don't think it was changed until at least the second semester, but any time after his commitment/enrollment makes it retroactive.
Are you suggesting that any change in policy during the entirety of Todd's tenure at MU would be retroactive, regardless of when it was actually enacted?
Anyhow, a scholarship is only good for one year.
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2. You're right, "likely" is a poor choice of words, but he was close enough to a 2.0 to make summer school a possibility for reaching that threshold.
You're right, a 1.8 and a 2.0 are awfully close. Like, the difference between a 'C' and 'D' in one class close. Which is why I find all the hand-wringing so funny. It's not as if these kids are suddenly being required to pull 3.5 averages. They're being required to do a wee bit better. They're being required to be a 'C' student (gasp!). In today's era of grade inflation, you almost have to try not to be at least a 'C' student. The average GPA at U.S. colleges has risen from a 2.9 to a 3.1 in the last 15 years. So, being a 2.0 student means you're way below average. It's not an unreasonable expectation.
Quote3.Do I think .2 of a point (11.1%) is that big of a deal? Well if Todd Mayo ends up with a 1.8 or a 1.9 or a 1.99 after summer school (good enough at Duke, Stanford, UW, etc.) and Marquette 86s him, then yes, I think it's a big deal.
I didn't ask about a "big deal." I asked about "Hiroshima." That said, if a kid given free access to tutors and a host of other special academic resources can't pull a 2.0 while taking only four classes a semester, perhaps he's not cut out for college. If 12 other kids on the roster can manage it (and, in fact, most of them have tougher requirements), he can too. And if he doesn't, it's no one's fault but his own.
Oh, and all of the above assumes the new requirements are being enforced retroactively, which we don't know the be the case.
Quote from: Pakuni on June 28, 2012, 04:52:09 PM
Oh, and all of the above assumes the new requirements are being enforced retroactively, which we don't know the be the case.
But LW is an pretty boy, so we pretty much know he's trying to screw this up.
Quote from: Guns n Ammo on June 28, 2012, 04:54:43 PM
But LW is a football playing Domer pretty boy, so we pretty much know he's trying to screw this up.
Fixed.
But LW is a football playing Domer pretty boy who is teaming up with Father Pilarz to turn MU into SLU, so we pretty much know they trying are to screw this up.
Quote from: Pakuni on June 28, 2012, 05:09:29 PM
Fixed.
Refined further...
i hope todd sticks with it, grows, and appreciates that buzz and mu are willing to help him through a period in which he is able to grow up a great deal. kudos to mu and buzz for understanding that kids have diverse backgrounds and not being afraid to put in the extra work to help these kids. to me, it goes hand and hand with what the university should be about.
avid1010 hit it perfect, thats how I see it. I hope he can work it out and won't give up like maybe he did in the past!
Buzz has done very well with young men that have had hell to pay in life.
Ahhh, that explains why Buzz didn't mention Todd at the BBQ, after mentioning all other returning players.
As someone who worked with several of the athletes including TM, it's on him. That said I'm very excited to hear he did well in the first semester and hope he continues to do well. Nice kid with a great game.
Quote from: hdog1017 on June 28, 2012, 11:15:47 AM
Somebody enroll Todd in History of Jazz.
Good ol' Grams is no longer around. I'm not sure if its offered anymore.
Quote from: jfmu on June 28, 2012, 08:14:30 PM
Good ol' Grams is no longer around. I'm not sure if its offered anymore.
Yep.
http://bulletin.marquette.edu/undergrad/jwilliamandmarydiederichcollegeofcommunication/performingarts_pear/music/