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Title: I miss DWade
Post by: Wade for President on June 13, 2012, 08:31:03 AM
Dwyane Wade is my guy.  He's atop my Mt. Rushmore of sports heroes.  He is the single reason why I became such a big Heat fan on that fateful NBA draft night back in 2003.  My basement is a virtual shrine to #3.  It includes everything from framed signed jerseys/shoes/basketballs, to magazines, to an obscure set of Vietnamese DWade playing cards (yes, you read that correctly), to the press pass/picture from when I infamously posed as a member of the media at Wade's basketball camp, to an autographed bowling pin he gave me after we shared a lane together during a Wade's World charity event.  Yes...as my wife says, I have a man crush on the MU star.

My idolization of Wade has never waivered...until this season.  I don't know if it's injuries, his reckless play taking its toll, or the addition of (and now self-admitted deferral to) LeBron, but something has changed. 

I was at the Fieldhouse in Indianapolis for his 5 point Playoff stinker.  What I saw that night was similar to what we've seen a lot from Dwyane the past six weeks - tentativeness, lack of confidence, constant whining to the refs, etc.

CBS Sports' Gregg Doyel took a rather aggressive stance against DWade in his post game article last night.  I painfully have to admit, some of his comments aren't too far off.

http://www.cbssports.com/columns/story/19342488/winning-wade-has-turned-into-whining-wade;-heat-are-paying-price (http://www.cbssports.com/columns/story/19342488/winning-wade-has-turned-into-whining-wade;-heat-are-paying-price)

What do you think is the reason for Wade's ineffective play?  Without Wade stepping up, this is sadly going to be a quick series.

Title: Re: I miss DWade
Post by: NersEllenson on June 13, 2012, 09:13:12 AM
I feel D-Wade's body is starting to fail him -  the Russell Westbrook type of athleticism he once had, is no longer.  Wade played with such athletic aggression, and has had his share of knee problems, etc., that he's just not as explosive as he once was - to where he could get anywhere on the court that he wanted.  D-Wade is still very good - but he's going to have to really reinvent himself as a great shooter - if he wants to have a solid 3-5 years left in the league.

Lastly, OKC is a long, athletic, team that can give a lot of players fits.  It isn't too often (still) where when Wade steps on the court, he isn't the most athletic guy - in this series, Westbrook, Harden, Durant and LeBron are arguably all more athletic than D-Wade...and longer.
Title: Re: I miss DWade
Post by: Hards Alumni on June 13, 2012, 09:24:38 AM
Quote from: Ners on June 13, 2012, 09:13:12 AM
I feel D-Wade's body is starting to fail him -  the Russell Westbrook type of athleticism he once had, is no longer.  Wade played with such athletic aggression, and has had his share of knee problems, etc., that he's just not as explosive as he once was - to where he could get anywhere on the court that he wanted.  D-Wade is still very good - but he's going to have to really reinvent himself as a great shooter - if he wants to have a solid 3-5 years left in the league.

Lastly, OKC is a long, athletic, team that can give a lot of players fits.  It isn't too often (still) where when Wade steps on the court, he isn't the most athletic guy - in this series, Westbrook, Harden, Durant and LeBron are arguably all more athletic than D-Wade...and longer.

I think a lot of younger players have learned their lesson from the way that Wade has sort of broken down.  You see ice everywhere and body armor on everyone now.  Wade was great because he played with reckless abandon.  But you are exactly right, it has taken a major toll on his body.
Title: Re: I miss DWade
Post by: Wade for President on June 13, 2012, 09:51:50 AM
I agree that Wade's body has taken a beating over the past 8 years, but it's his body language that suggests something is off....I mean, waaaaaaay off.  Those final three games in the Pacers series were vintage DWade.  I refuse to believe that that was his last glimpse of greatness.

Is it ironic that during the game that aired an interview with DWade stating that it was difficult for him to come to the realization that he needed to hand the keys to the car to LeBron?

I hope Wade can get it together.

Title: Re: I miss DWade
Post by: MerrittsMustache on June 13, 2012, 10:05:38 AM
He's hurt, he's getting older and he's frustrated. Imagine being incredibly good at your job (whatever it may be) for 6, 8, 10 years and then gradually becoming less effective and having to exert more energy than normal to do the tasks that you used to do with relative ease. All the while, watching younger and younger co-workers pass you by and do things that you can no longer do. I have a feeling that we'd all be pretty frustrated in that scenario.

The big question is where does he go from here? Does he keep trying to get by on his athleticism that (while still incredible) is not what it used to be? Or does he "re-invent" himself as more of a crafty Paul Pierce type?
Title: Re: I miss DWade
Post by: jeffreyweee on June 13, 2012, 10:15:52 AM
I wasn't part of the MU family until 08 so I didn't pay as much to Wade until the 06 playoffs. During those finals he became my favorite player in the league. Slowly over the course of the next 6 years he let fame get to him and his aggressiveness deteriorated. He is not one of my least favorite players in the league. I wish I could like him, I really do but starting last year he began to think he was entitled to wins and calls instead of earning them. I hope he or Lebron get traded after they lose to OKC this year and maybe that lights a fire under him again.

His explosiveness is still there - did you see that outrageous block in game 6 of Celtics Heat? It's entirely attitud.e
Title: Re: I miss DWade
Post by: bdee29 on June 13, 2012, 10:27:50 AM
"On planet Earth, it's up to Dwyane Wade. Start attacking. Stop flopping. Life isn't a sneaker commercial, and even if it were, Wade is no longer the star. But he is a diva"

^THIS

Title: Re: I miss DWade
Post by: MattyWarrior on June 13, 2012, 10:34:30 AM
Take off those stupid glasses and play ball..
Title: Re: I miss DWade
Post by: Skatastrophy on June 13, 2012, 10:46:18 AM
Buncha haters.

Title: Re: I miss DWade
Post by: MerrittsMustache on June 13, 2012, 10:53:57 AM
Quote from: jeffreyweee on June 13, 2012, 10:15:52 AM
I wasn't part of the MU family until 08 so I didn't pay as much to Wade until the 06 playoffs. During those finals he became my favorite player in the league. Slowly over the course of the next 6 years he let fame get to him and his aggressiveness deteriorated. He is not one of my least favorite players in the league. I wish I could like him, I really do but starting last year he began to think he was entitled to wins and calls instead of earning them. I hope he or Lebron get traded after they lose to OKC this year and maybe that lights a fire under him again.

His explosiveness is still there - did you see that outrageous block in game 6 of Celtics Heat? It's entirely attitud.e

In what way did he "let fame get to him?" Please provide examples.

Every single star player and even a lot of average players whine to the officials and want every call. Do they all think they're entitled? Yes, they do. Wade's complaining is magnified because he's currently playing on the NBA's biggest stage for the NBA's most-watched/most-hated team.

You also claim that his "aggressiveness deteriorated." However, if you look at his jumpers compared to "inside" shots, the distribution is pretty consistent. In fact, his percentage of jumpers decreased slightly straight 3 seasons.

07-08: 65% jumpers, 35% inside
08-09: 66% jumpers, 34% inside
09-10: 63% jumpers, 37% inside
10-11: 61% jumpers, 39% inside
11-12: 62% jumpers, 38% inside

His explosiveness is still there but not as consistently. He needs to pick his spots. Last night, he appeared to have a chance to block a Derek Fisher lay-up but couldn't gather himself to get off the ground in time. A couple years ago, there's no way Fish even tries to challenge Wade.

Listen, you're entitled to have your opinions but at least have informed ones.
Title: Re: I miss DWade
Post by: jeffreyweee on June 13, 2012, 12:39:44 PM
Yikes your argument is so backward. If you think D Wade complains to the refs an "average" amount then PLEASE watch any Bull's vs Heat or Thunder vs Heat game.

Compare Durant, Westbrook, Harden, Rose and Deng to Wade and tell me they are the same.

Then watch Wade in the 06 finals and tell me 06 Wade = 12 Wade.

Then tell me how you can be just as aggressive while at the same time not being able to challenge D. Fisher for a lay up. If he can't challenge a PG at the rim his aggressiveness has deteriorated whether by being a little bitch (my opinion) or physically not being able to (your opinion).

Why is it you think than there are several articles coming out questioning Wade calling him a complainer? Why do you think Rondo said they were able to get easy transition baskets while they complained to the refs? Is it a conspiracy against Marquette, or is Wade being a little girl?
Title: Re: I miss DWade
Post by: Wade for President on June 13, 2012, 12:50:09 PM
I expect Wade to have a big Game 2.  He's responded well when the weight of the world is on him. 

Maybe he needs Crean to pay him a visit.

All I know, is that I can't WAIT for Thursday night.
Title: Re: I miss DWade
Post by: MerrittsMustache on June 13, 2012, 12:54:07 PM
Quote from: jeffreyweee on June 13, 2012, 12:39:44 PM
Yikes your argument is so backward. If you think D Wade complains to the refs an "average" amount then PLEASE watch any Bull's vs Heat or Thunder vs Heat game.

Compare Durant, Westbrook, Harden, Rose and Deng to Wade and tell me they are the same.

Then watch Wade in the 06 finals and tell me 06 Wade = 12 Wade.

Then tell me how you can be just as aggressive while at the same time not being able to challenge D. Fisher for a lay up. If he can't challenge a PG at the rim his aggressiveness has deteriorated whether by being a little bitch (my opinion) or physically not being able to (your opinion).

Why is it you think than there are several articles coming out questioning Wade calling him a complainer? Why do you think Rondo said they were able to get easy transition baskets while they complained to the refs? Is it a conspiracy against Marquette, or is Wade being a little girl?

You never provided any examples of how he let fame get to him.

I never said that Wade complained an "average" amount.

The Fisher play that I was referring to was on a runout where Wade was along side of him and looked, to me, like he couldn't gather and go up to attempt a block - I believe JVG even mentioned something to that same effect. It had nothing to do with a lack of aggressiveness or "being a little bitch."

As I stated previously: Wade's complaining is magnified because he's currently playing on the NBA's biggest stage for the NBA's most-watched/most-hated team.


Clearly you jumped on the Wade bandwagon as a high school aged front-runner but are now jumping off since it's cool to dislike the Heat.
Title: Re: I miss DWade
Post by: jmayer1 on June 13, 2012, 12:57:18 PM
Quote from: jeffreyweee on June 13, 2012, 12:39:44 PM
Yikes your argument is so backward. If you think D Wade complains to the refs an "average" amount then PLEASE watch any Bull's vs Heat or Thunder vs Heat game.

Compare Durant, Westbrook, Harden, Rose and Deng to Wade and tell me they are the same.

Then watch Wade in the 06 finals and tell me 06 Wade = 12 Wade.

Then tell me how you can be just as aggressive while at the same time not being able to challenge D. Fisher for a lay up. If he can't challenge a PG at the rim his aggressiveness has deteriorated whether by being a little bitch (my opinion) or physically not being able to (your opinion).

Why is it you think than there are several articles coming out questioning Wade calling him a complainer? Why do you think Rondo said they were able to get easy transition baskets while they complained to the refs? Is it a conspiracy against Marquette, or is Wade being a little girl?

You' have no clue. MM gave a stat to show his aggressiveness has not deteriorated (or you could look at the fact that he average the most blocks in his career this year) but you want to use some anecdotal story about 1 play instead. Did you see him block Westbrook's drive last night?

Wade had the 3rd highest win shares per 48 minutes of his career this season. He's still a very good player. In my opinion, I think he's a little more hurt than he's letting on and that's been affecting him somewhat. However, I can guarantee he'll still have some monster games in this series. I also think that anybody who rags on DW after all he's done for MU basketball (the most influential person since AL retired) is an idiot.
Title: Re: I miss DWade
Post by: Groin_pull on June 13, 2012, 01:00:01 PM
The D Wade we all know and love is probably gone for good. He may be "only" 30...but he is an old 30. His body has been through a lot and he's showing serious wear and tear. All those drives to the hoop and the relentless pounding he's taken over the years have caught up with him. He'll still be extremely good—but he may no longer be an elite superstar. He's clearly the fourth best player on the court in these Finals. He also appears to have lost his mental edge. Doesn't appear focused and determined anymore.  

It happens to all players...some sooner than others.
Title: Re: I miss DWade
Post by: MU86NC on June 13, 2012, 01:05:07 PM
Give the guy a chance.  They played on the road to a very good Thunder team.  Let's see where this series goes before we let some sports writer determine Wades fate....
Title: Re: I miss DWade
Post by: dw3dw3dw3 on June 13, 2012, 01:27:00 PM
Wade had about 4 blocks last night... The sole reason for him not challenging Derek Fisher on that play (and vice versa) was Wade already had 2 fouls and would have had to go to the bench with 3 fouls with nearly 8 minutes remaining in the 2nd quarter.  He's definitely trying, but I agree it's not up to his and other peoples lofty standards of him. His PER is still very high though.

Definitely something off with his knees as his jumper is failing him too... He's usually fairly automatic with those 15-18 footers, but couldn't hit anything last night and it's been spotty throughout the playoffs. He shot 7-19 with about 5 wide open (for him) misses. He hits 3 of those and he's got 25pts and we're talking about something else.  

I don't know where all the sudden hate is coming from like he's doing something bad though. People are acting like he should just put his head down and try to dribble through people and because he doesn't do that, he's not focused. He's trying, but he just doesn't fully have it. He's not shaking his man in one dribble anymore. The complaining was over the top, but he's toned down the complaining since game 5 vs the Celtics. I'm hoping he will find some youth in his knees soon. We're moving on to a new era at MU where it's not as important, but having Wade relevant is still a bonus. 







Title: Re: I miss DWade
Post by: 77ncaachamps on June 13, 2012, 02:10:00 PM
He's forcing himself to doing everything and anything he can.

His supporting staff sucks (outside Bron and bosh) and he never got into a groove with his injuries in a shortened year which had a late start and few days of rest (back-back and back-back-back games).

Next year will be different.
Title: Re: I miss DWade
Post by: Pakuni on June 13, 2012, 02:16:44 PM
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on June 13, 2012, 02:10:00 PM
He's forcing himself to doing everything and anything he can.

His supporting staff sucks (outside Bron and bosh)

So, other than one guy who's the league's best player and another who's a seven-time all-star, he's got nothing to work with.
Poor guy.

Bit like saying, "other than Jordan and Pippen, BJ Armstrong's supporting cast sucks."
Title: Re: I miss DWade
Post by: MerrittsMustache on June 13, 2012, 02:33:41 PM
Quote from: Pakuni on June 13, 2012, 02:16:44 PM
So, other than one guy who's the league's best player and another who's a seven-time all-star, he's got nothing to work with.
Poor guy.

Bit like saying, "other than Jordan and Pippen, BJ Armstrong's supporting cast sucks."


Bosh, in his current state (i.e. coming off an injury) is not the same player who was a 7-time All-Star.
Title: Re: I miss DWade
Post by: Pakuni on June 13, 2012, 02:43:27 PM
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on June 13, 2012, 02:33:41 PM
Bosh, in his current state (i.e. coming off an injury) is not the same player who was a 7-time All-Star.


Was that the excuse last year too?
Look, if Dirk Nowitzki could lead the Mavs and that supporting cast (DeShawn Stevenson? A 37-year-old point guard?) to a title, Wade and LeBron have no excuses. That team has plenty of depth to win it all, and still might win it all. And if they don't win it all, it'll be - like last year - because James and/or Wade didn't do enough to win it all, not because their 8th and 9th men weren't good enough.
Title: Re: I miss DWade
Post by: strotty on June 13, 2012, 02:46:56 PM
Quote from: Pakuni on June 13, 2012, 02:43:27 PM
Was that the excuse last year too?
Look, if Dirk Nowitzki could lead the Mavs and that supporting cast (DeShawn Stevenson? A 37-year-old point guard?) to a title, Wade and LeBron have no excuses. That team has plenty of depth to win it all, and still might win it all. And if they don't win it all, it'll be - like last year - because James and/or Wade didn't do enough to win it all, not because their 8th and 9th men weren't good enough.

What would that "plenty of depth" consist of, I wonder?
Title: Re: I miss DWade
Post by: Aughnanure on June 13, 2012, 02:51:58 PM
Quote from: strotty on June 13, 2012, 02:46:56 PM
What would that "plenty of depth" consist of, I wonder?

Well it ain't a center and a point guard.
Title: Re: I miss DWade
Post by: WI inferiority Complexes on June 13, 2012, 02:52:22 PM
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on June 13, 2012, 10:53:57 AM
In what way did he "let fame get to him?" Please provide examples.

I don't know if this is what we're talking about about letting fame get to him, (or, were we only giving on-the-court examples)?

Dwyane Wade Turns 30, Has Best Super Sweet 16 Party Ever
http://deadspin.com/5876974/dwyane-wade-turns-30-has-best-super-sweet-16-party-e (http://deadspin.com/5876974/dwyane-wade-turns-30-has-best-super-sweet-16-party-e)ver
Title: Re: I miss DWade
Post by: MerrittsMustache on June 13, 2012, 03:05:36 PM
Quote from: Pakuni on June 13, 2012, 02:43:27 PM
Was that the excuse last year too?
Look, if Dirk Nowitzki could lead the Mavs and that supporting cast (DeShawn Stevenson? A 37-year-old point guard?) to a title, Wade and LeBron have no excuses. That team has plenty of depth to win it all, and still might win it all. And if they don't win it all, it'll be - like last year - because James and/or Wade didn't do enough to win it all, not because their 8th and 9th men weren't good enough.

Who gave an excuse? You noted that Bosh was a 7-time All-Star, which is true. You failed to mention that he's coming off an injury that sidelined him for 3 weeks and he's playing at about 70%. That would be like saying the Mavs had a 10-time All-Star running the point for them last year.

Nice that you mentioned Deshawn Stevenson - the Mavs 10th-leading scorer! You know who the Heat's 10th-leading scorer was? Terrel Harris (I don't know either)

What about Terry, Marion, Chandler, Butler and even that 37-year-old PG? Think the Mavs would have traded any of those guys straight up for Udonis Haslem, Mario Chalmers or Shane Battier?


(I can't believe I'm defending the Heat)
Title: Re: I miss DWade
Post by: Silkk the Shaka on June 13, 2012, 03:33:13 PM
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on June 13, 2012, 03:05:36 PM
Who gave an excuse? You noted that Bosh was a 7-time All-Star, which is true. You failed to mention that he's coming off an injury that sidelined him for 3 weeks and he's playing at about 70%. That would be like saying the Mavs had a 10-time All-Star running the point for them last year.

Nice that you mentioned Deshawn Stevenson - the Mavs 10th-leading scorer! You know who the Heat's 10th-leading scorer was? Terrel Harris (I don't know either)

What about Terry, Marion, Chandler, Butler and even that 37-year-old PG? Think the Mavs would have traded any of those guys straight up for Udonis Haslem, Mario Chalmers or Shane Battier?


(I can't believe I'm defending the Heat)

Don't forget JJ Barea, who absolutely embarrassed Mario Chalmers in the crucial games 5 & 6.  Beat him off the dribble at will, forcing help which left the whole defense spinning.  They got easy looks off a few passes every time down the court because of it.  Sickening to watch.
Title: Re: I miss DWade
Post by: Pakuni on June 13, 2012, 03:41:21 PM
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on June 13, 2012, 03:05:36 PM
Who gave an excuse? You noted that Bosh was a 7-time All-Star, which is true. You failed to mention that he's coming off an injury that sidelined him for 3 weeks and he's playing at about 70%. That would be like saying the Mavs had a 10-time All-Star running the point for them last year.

Nice that you mentioned Deshawn Stevenson - the Mavs 10th-leading scorer! You know who the Heat's 10th-leading scorer was? Terrel Harris (I don't know either)

What about Terry, Marion, Chandler, Butler and even that 37-year-old PG? Think the Mavs would have traded any of those guys straight up for Udonis Haslem, Mario Chalmers or Shane Battier?


(I can't believe I'm defending the Heat)

Citing Bosh's injury is the very definition of excuse.

I mention Stevenson because he started 54 games for the Mavs last year - more than anyone other than Nowitzki, Kidd and Chandler. That doesn't qualify him for part of Dirk's supporting cast?

You can't compare Terry, Marion, et al to Haslem and Battier because they play very different roles for their teams. Terry and Butler were the 2nd and 3rd offensive options for the Mavs. They were that team's Wade and Bosh.
Haslem and Battier are primarily bench players who were 6th and 8th, respectively, on the Heat in shots attempted and 7th and 8th in points. Together they combined this year for 10.1 FGA per game, compared to 26.3 for Terry and Marion. How are they remotely comparable?

So, I guess you're right, the Mavs probably wouldn't trade their #2 and #3 offensive options for the Heat's #6 and #8. But I'm pretty sure they'd trade them for Wade and Bosh. And I'm pretty sure they'd trade their #6 and #8 (Rodrigue Beaubois and Peja Stojakovic) for Haslem and Battier.
I could be wrong, though.
Title: Re: I miss DWade
Post by: 77ncaachamps on June 13, 2012, 03:42:53 PM
The Mavs were DEEP in talent last year. Don't kid yourself if you think otherwise. Look what happened when key pieces went elsewhere: Barea, the PG who controlled the tempo and the Heat had no answer for; Butler, stout G/F; Chandler, huge loss on the defensive end and offensive glass; Stevenson, defensive-minded G and streaky shooter; and Novak. ;)  They barely made the playoffs this year.

Chalmers is not the PG they need, imho. He lacks the aggression and defensive acumen. He has the length but is too busy spectating. He also isn't a leader much like Rondo is with his big three.

And the Heat's center issue needs to get solved. Haslem is too undersized to place the position and Anthony, though serviceable, is not a great starting center.

In the end, the Thunder are too long, too athletic, too quick for the Heat. It disappoints me to admit that as I would like LeBron to win one.
Title: Re: I miss DWade
Post by: MerrittsMustache on June 13, 2012, 04:13:34 PM
Quote from: Pakuni on June 13, 2012, 03:41:21 PM
Citing Bosh's injury is the very definition of excuse.

I mention Stevenson because he started 54 games for the Mavs last year - more than anyone other than Nowitzki, Kidd and Chandler. That doesn't qualify him for part of Dirk's supporting cast?

You can't compare Terry, Marion, et al to Haslem and Battier because they play very different roles for their teams. Terry and Butler were the 2nd and 3rd offensive options for the Mavs. They were that team's Wade and Bosh.
Haslem and Battier are primarily bench players who were 6th and 8th, respectively, on the Heat in shots attempted and 7th and 8th in points. Together they combined this year for 10.1 FGA per game, compared to 26.3 for Terry and Marion. How are they remotely comparable?

So, I guess you're right, the Mavs probably wouldn't trade their #2 and #3 offensive options for the Heat's #6 and #8. But I'm pretty sure they'd trade them for Wade and Bosh. And I'm pretty sure they'd trade their #6 and #8 (Rodrigue Beaubois and Peja Stojakovic) for Haslem and Battier.
I could be wrong, though.

What's the difference between making an excuse and stating a fact? Bosh is coming off an injury and playing hurt, which means that he's not playing to his normally high level. What part of that would you argue with?

I just found it interesting that you'd mention Stevenson but not mention Terry (a recent 6th Man of the Year) or Chandler (NBA All-Defensive performer) or Marion (a 4-time All-Star) or Butler (a 2-time All-Star).

Removing Dirk, Terry and Butler from Dallas, who would you rather have...
Tyson Chandler or Joel Anthony?
past-his-prime Jason Kidd or Mario Chalmers?
Shawn Marion or Shane Battier?
Brendan Haywood or Dexter Pittman?
J.J. Barea or Norris Cole?
Deshawn Stevenson or James Jones?
Peja Stojakovic or Mike Miller?
A corpse in a Mavs uni or Juwan Howard?
Playing 4-on-5 or Eddy Curry?
Title: Re: I miss DWade
Post by: Newsdreams on June 13, 2012, 04:32:46 PM
Haven't seen anyone mention that fluid was drained from Wade's knee during the Indiana series. It would seem that his knee is keeping him from being as aggressive all the time and he saves some of the energy for times that is needed most. I believe the knee problem is more serious than has been exposed.
Title: Re: I miss DWade
Post by: dgies9156 on June 14, 2012, 06:47:08 AM
With all due respect to Mr. Wade, I'm happy for him but I will always remember what he did in the 2003 NCAA Championships.

He put us on his back and with Robert Jackson, Steve Novak, Travis Diener and Scott Merritt, carried us to the Final Four.

He single-handedly dismantled the EVIL Kentucky Wildcats in the regional Finals in what other than the 1977 NCAA Championship game may have been the greatest Marquette basketball game ever.

Whatever he does in the NBA is a bonus! What he did for us will NEVER be forgotten.
Title: Re: I miss DWade
Post by: GGGG on June 14, 2012, 07:24:28 AM
I think the "diva" and "flopper" comments are ridiculously off-base.  He's hurt.  He's getting older.  He needs to transition his game to become more of a jump shooter.  (Just like Jordan did....and Wade's game is more like Jordan's than anyone I have seen since MJ left.)
Title: Re: I miss DWade
Post by: MU82 on June 14, 2012, 12:47:20 PM
I don't know the reason for Wade's ineffective play and neither does anybody else. It's all speculation.

What I do know is that it's goofy for any adult to idolize any jock, actor, entertainer, British royalty, etc.
Title: Re: I miss DWade
Post by: Bocephys on June 14, 2012, 01:02:29 PM
Quote from: MU82 on June 14, 2012, 12:47:20 PM
I don't know the reason for Wade's ineffective play and neither does anybody else. It's all speculation.

What I do know is that it's goofy for any adult to idolize any jock, actor, entertainer, British royalty, etc.

Who are you to tell me I should no longer aspire to be the Queen of England?!
Title: Re: I miss DWade
Post by: bdee29 on June 14, 2012, 03:43:42 PM
Maybe he'll hurt his shoulder so bad tonight that they'll have to take him off in a wheelchair again. Man up Dwyane! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfuJS0SBSac

Title: Re: I miss DWade
Post by: lohaus on June 17, 2012, 08:16:26 PM
I think he is injured.  We will probably read about some type of surgery to his knee when the season is over.
Title: Re: I miss DWade
Post by: EnderWiggen on June 17, 2012, 08:17:27 PM
He is definitely hurt
Title: Re: I miss DWade
Post by: MU B2002 on June 17, 2012, 09:51:37 PM
The Thunder are lucky he is hurt.
Title: Re: I miss DWade
Post by: forgetful on June 17, 2012, 10:32:08 PM
Quote from: MU B2002 on June 17, 2012, 09:51:37 PM
The Thunder are lucky he is hurt.

He would have had 12-15 assists tonight if it weren't for OKC fouls or missed layups.  Even more if lebron would take and make wide open jump shots.
Title: Re: I miss DWade
Post by: nycwarrior on June 17, 2012, 11:10:03 PM
If any other Warrior had just put up 25-7-7 while playing second fiddle to the greatest player on the planet while competing for his second NBA Championship ring, this board would be exploding with pride.

He did shoot 8 for 22 including some questionable shots down the stretch. He also got ripped at half-court and gave up a break-away, which could well have hurt his team.

And yes, eight years of taking it to the hole have taken their toll on his body.

But c'mon, he's still the best to have ever donned the blue and gold. Let's not turn on the guy. He's ours. And he spoiled us for a long time, playing like the greatest Warrior of all time. Lets enjoy the last years of his career even if they're not as flashy as the first ones were.
Title: Re: I miss DWade
Post by: forgetful on June 17, 2012, 11:27:42 PM
Quote from: nycwarrior on June 17, 2012, 11:10:03 PM
If any other Warrior had just put up 25-7-7 while playing second fiddle to the greatest player on the planet while competing for his second NBA Championship ring, this board would be exploding with pride.

He did shoot 8 for 22 including some questionable shots down the stretch. He also got ripped at half-court and gave up a break-away, which could well have hurt his team.

And yes, eight years of taking it to the hole have taken their toll on his body.

But c'mon, he's still the best to have ever donned the blue and gold. Let's not turn on the guy. He's ours. And he spoiled us for a long time, playing like the greatest Warrior of all time. Lets enjoy the last years of his career even if they're not as flashy as the first ones were.

He had a great game tonight.  Without his performance in the third quarter, the Heat wouldn't have won this one. 
Title: Re: I miss DWade
Post by: Hards Alumni on June 18, 2012, 07:48:01 AM
Quote from: nycwarrior on June 17, 2012, 11:10:03 PM
If any other Warrior had just put up 25-7-7 while playing second fiddle to the greatest player on the planet while competing for his second NBA Championship ring, this board would be exploding with pride.

He did shoot 8 for 22 including some questionable shots down the stretch. He also got ripped at half-court and gave up a break-away, which could well have hurt his team.

And yes, eight years of taking it to the hole have taken their toll on his body.

But c'mon, he's still the best to have ever donned the blue and gold. Let's not turn on the guy. He's ours. And he spoiled us for a long time, playing like the greatest Warrior of all time. Lets enjoy the last years of his career even if they're not as flashy as the first ones were.

nailed it.
Title: Re: I miss DWade
Post by: nycwarrior on June 21, 2012, 09:36:10 AM
If you still miss D Wade, look again.

He should still be makin us proud off the court
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/story/19391096/custody-saga-sheds-new-light-on-wade-as-father-role-model

And on it (C'mon Heat)!

Stand up Marquette!
Title: Re: I miss DWade
Post by: sarcastro on June 21, 2012, 10:51:33 AM
I'm wondering how in a series against the Pacers it was Wade and Lebron who were classless when Granger couldn't go 5 minutes without a fight.

I'm wondering how in a series against the Celtics it was Wade who was a whiner even though Rivers and Garnett complain about every single call against Boston.

And now Wade is a flopper against the Thunder, but nobody seems to mind that James Harden hits the deck at every possible opportunity, no matter how ridiculous it looks.

I'm not sure what playoffs some of you are watching.  Wade was an absolute monster in the last three games of the Pacers series.  Against Boston the Celtics made it their gameplan to double team him every time he had the ball.  He wisely deferred and when his teammates hit open shots, they won.

He's had one bad game against OKC.  The other night he had two crunch time steals and got the assist on Chalmers big shot, making a great pass after being double teamed.
Title: Re: I miss DWade
Post by: MerrittsMustache on June 21, 2012, 11:25:37 AM
Quote from: sarcastro on June 21, 2012, 10:51:33 AM
I'm wondering how in a series against the Pacers it was Wade and Lebron who were classless when Granger couldn't go 5 minutes without a fight.

I'm wondering how in a series against the Celtics it was Wade who was a whiner even though Rivers and Garnett complain about every single call against Boston.

And now Wade is a flopper against the Thunder, but nobody seems to mind that James Harden hits the deck at every possible opportunity, no matter how ridiculous it looks.

I'm not sure what playoffs some of you are watching.  Wade was an absolute monster in the last three games of the Pacers series.  Against Boston the Celtics made it their gameplan to double team him every time he had the ball.  He wisely deferred and when his teammates hit open shots, they won.

He's had one bad game against OKC.  The other night he had two crunch time steals and got the assist on Chalmers big shot, making a great pass after being double teamed.

He's a marquee player on the most-hated team in the NBA. The public doesn't want to hear positive things about his game so the media plays up the negativity.
Title: Re: I miss DWade
Post by: GGGG on June 21, 2012, 11:32:49 AM
I have a feeling that the "most hated" label is going to disappear from this team over time as well, especially if they string together a few championships.
Title: Re: I miss DWade
Post by: Hoopaloop on June 21, 2012, 10:38:18 PM
Good for Marquette as Wade is a two time NBA champion.  That can only help MU.

I'm happy for Lebron as well, some of the hating will dissipate a bit.  He was a force and the labels of heartless, choker or other stupidity should finally go away as well. 
Title: Re: I miss DWade
Post by: bamamarquettefan on June 22, 2012, 12:00:09 AM
It was fun not opening this strand until tonight, knowing the kind of silliness it would bring as responses.  I hope the guy who posted the link of wade going off the court in the wheelchair that circulated several years ago buys a tv soon so he can watch the next NBA season - thanks for (not) playing.

D wade congrats on another NBA title - and lazar for the last rebound and bucket of the season! A few of us were still watching you!
Title: Re: I miss DWade
Post by: Silkk the Shaka on June 22, 2012, 08:55:37 AM
All-time NBA great! The more championships he racks up, the better it is for MU. Too bad the role players couldn't come up big last year too or Wade would have 2 finals MVPs. Hope he sits the first 20 games next year and gets his knees healthy after bringing home another gold.
Title: Re: I miss DWade
Post by: Wade for President on June 22, 2012, 09:26:59 AM
If you haven't seen it yet, watch this great postgame video with Wade sitting down with Stuart Scott.  Awesome night for Dwyane!

http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2012/story/_/id/8083880/nba-playoffs-dwyane-wade-steps-stepping-aside (http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2012/story/_/id/8083880/nba-playoffs-dwyane-wade-steps-stepping-aside)

(http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/argus-press.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/f/40/f4020883-b173-54a9-8c83-c3a6dd1fc6f9/4fe4361d1c158.preview-300.jpg)
Title: Re: I miss DWade
Post by: Newsdreams on June 22, 2012, 03:12:56 PM
Another nice article on Wade:
http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/06/22/2012-nba-finals-miami-heat-dwyane-wade-and-the-aura-of-two/#comments
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