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Jameel McKay makes Marquette a 2014 Final Four team in Value Add (and an apology to Creighton for exclusion)

Written by: noreply@blogger.com (bamamarquettefan1)

As excited as I am about the start of Deonte Burton's CAREER at Marquette for the 2013-14 season, as far as the SEASON itself the commitment of 6-foot-8 power forward Jameel McKay is what makes MU a potential Final Four team.  In fact, plugging in his projected Value Add takes Marquette from 7th to 3rd in the "Way Too Early Top 50 Teams for 2014" (http://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2012/05/top-50-college-basketball-teams-in-2014.html) that I first ran a couple of weeks ago.

McKay coming in as a junior after two years of JUCO play will put him way ahead of where Burton should be coming in as one of the top freshman to come to Marquette - the same point I made before the 2010-11 season when predicting that Jae Crowder would likely be a much more valuable player than Vander Blue that first year.  In the www.valueaddbasketball.com (http://www.valueaddbasketball.com/) database you can pull it up and type "Marquette" in the search box on top and then "2014" under year to see the entire projected roster in 2014 and their projected Value Add.

Thanks to Brad Winton for his incredible work in updating the top 100 JUCOs in the country (http://www.jucorecruiting.com/?page_id=434), which enabled me to update the estimated values of JUCOs in the database.  While he won't list a top 100 of this year's freshman JUCOs until next year, based on his comments on several key players I had penciled McKay in as No. 1 on the list based on his comments on several JUCO freshman stars - at the time assuming McKay would end up at Indiana or maybe Florida.  Even if we assume McKay turns out to be only the 5th or 10th best JUCO next year, MU would only slip one spot to behind Kentucky to still project as a Final Four team.

While freshman ranked as high as Burton average producing 2.88% Value Add (their impact on their teams score each night), the top incoming JUCO typically has a Value Add of about 6.0%.  Two years ago Jae Crowder was the top JUCO transfer with a 5.95%, then this year Pierre Jackson was even better with a 6.09% for Baylor.  So Value Add estimates that this year Geron Johnson will produce about 6% for Memphis and next year McKay will produce about 6% for Marquette.  As you can see from the table below, that gives Marquette a potential 49.04% Value Add (every teams will be a bit lower than the projections that far off), which puts them in a theoretical Final Four with Kentucky, Arizona and Texas.

Some of the big "IFs"

Obviously there will be many changes between now and then, but McKay's commitment at this stage makes MU a team with the potential to make a Final Four run.

What would make MU drop?  Obviously transfers, injuries, etc., but the other factor to understand this far off is that these projections assume that players projected to go in the 2013 draft do leave their teams.  MU is almost in a perfect position because the roster is so loaded and yet right now noone is projected to be taken early in the draft (sorrowful memory of Jim Chones inserted here).

See the "Assume gone to NBA" column below, and you can see the players that are assumed to go to the  NBA for 2014.  Even if the roster stays in tact at MU and noone rises to the NBA-level before their senior year, there are 10 teams who would project ahead of Marquette if all of their players stuck around for 2014 to win a title rather than get the big bucks - Texas, Arizona (both already ahead), Kentucky, Memphis, UNC, Michigan State, Ohio State, Indiana, UCLA and Michigan.

Sorry to Creighton for not explaining why I didn't show them ranked

Also want to apologize to Creighton fans for missing a question that was posed after my May 20 post about how they could not be ranked since Doug McDermott would be a senior in 2014.  For some reason I've always received a following from Creighton on my work, so I hate to slight them, but if you pull up www.valueaddbasketball.com and search for "Creighton"and under year "2013," you will see that I rank them 21st in 2013.

They were listed in 2014 simply under the assumption that McDermott would go to the pros as projected, but I have inserted them "with McDermott" on the table below to show that they would be projected to be 26th place in 2014 if he stays.




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Rnk2014 TeamProj VAAve. FrTotalAssume gone to NBA[/tr]

1	Texas	45.25	9.3	54.55	Kabongo, Myck 6.43
2	Arizona	47.03	5	52.03	No projected 2013 draftees
3	Marquette	45.64	3.4	49.04	No projected 2013 draftees
4	Kentucky	36.74	12.1	48.84	Noel, Nerlens 10/Goodwin, Archie 7.34
5	Maryland	42.66	3.4	46.06	Len, Alex 2.11
6	Memphis	39.35	5.3	44.65	Thomas, Adonis 5.37
7	North Carolina	36.53	7.4	43.93	McAdoo, James 6.44/Hairston, PJ 5.86
8	Providence	39.77	3.7	43.47	No projected 2013 draftees
9	Iowa	39.18	3.6	42.78	No projected 2013 draftees
10	Connecticut	36.39	6.3	42.69	No projected 2013 draftees
11	Michigan St.	37.37	3.8	41.17	Dawson, Branden 8.48
12	Ohio St.	32.05	8.4	40.45	Thomas, Deshaun 9.56
13	Indiana	34.9	5.4	40.3	Zeller, Cody 14.5/Oladipo, Victor 6.65
14	UCLA	34.16	5.2	39.36	Muhammad, Shabazz 10.5
15	California	34.8	3.5	38.3	No projected 2013 draftees
16	Kansas	31.24	5.1	36.34	No projected 2013 draftees
17	Georgetown	30.5	5	35.5	Porter, Otto 12.08
18	Michigan	30.71	4.4	35.11	Burke, Trey 10.72/Hardaway, Tim 5.1
19	Alabama	30.72	4.1	34.82	No projected 2013 draftees
20	Stanford	34.68	0	34.68	No projected 2013 draftees
21	Arkansas	30.72	3.9	34.62	Young, BJ 11.67
22	Notre Dame	33.9	0	33.9	No projected 2013 draftees
23	Duke	25.24	7.4	32.64	No projected 2013 draftees
24	Baylor	28.56	3.9	32.46	Austin, Isaiah 9.08
25	Virginia	32.09	0	32.09	No projected 2013 draftees
26	Creighton (w/ McDermott)	25.74	6.3	32.04	McDermott, Doug 11.56
26	Nevada Las Vegas	31.74	0	31.74	Moser, Mike 7.39
27	Florida	26.68	5	31.68	Young, Patric 6.53
28	Houston	31.48	0	31.48	No projected 2013 draftees
29	Louisville	25.42	5.1	30.52	Dieng, Gorgui 9/Blackshear, Wayne 4.1
30	Pittsburgh	26.53	3.5	30.03	Adams, Steven 9.28
31	Colorado	26.71	3.1	29.81	Roberson, Andre 9.77
32	Villanova	25.36	3.7	29.06	No projected 2013 draftees
33	North Carolina St.	25.16	3.8	28.96	Brown, Lorenzo 7.48/Leslie CJ 5.33
34	Syracuse	23.59	5.2	28.79	Carter-Williams, Michael 4.31
35	St. John's	28.69	0	28.69	No projected 2013 draftees
36	Texas Tech	28.52	0	28.52	No projected 2013 draftees
37	Oklahoma St.	27.95	0	27.95	Nash, Le'Bryan 6.93
38	Mississippi	24.41	3.1	27.51	No projected 2013 draftees
39	New Mexico	27.1	0	27.1	No projected 2013 draftees
40	Rutgers	22.49	4.3	26.79	No projected 2013 draftees
41	Tennessee	26.56	0	26.56	No projected 2013 draftees
42	West Virginia	26.52	0	26.52	No projected 2013 draftees
43	Xavier	26.44	0	26.44	No projected 2013 draftees
44	Texas A&M	26.03	0	26.03	No projected 2013 draftees
45	Oregon State	25.52	0	25.52	No projected 2013 draftees
46	Iowa State	21.66	3.8	25.46	No projected 2013 draftees
47	Seton Hall	24.6	0	24.6	No projected 2013 draftees
48	Harvard	24.59	0	24.59	No projected 2013 draftees
49	South Florida	20.81	0	20.81	No projected 2013 draftees
50	Virginia Tech	20.24	0	20.24	No projected 2013 draftees

http://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2012/06/jameel-mckay-makes-marquette-2014-final.html

The one other things I did notice on the roster is that even if all players played equally in 2014, that would give us the 80th tallest team in the US, and assuming the minutes I lay out below we would be the 25th tallest team in the US.  Not bad, considering we average 6-foot-2.7 as recently as 2010, making us the 341st tallest D1 school.


   Min/GM   6-foot-x
Wilson, Jamil   25   7
Blue, Vander   25   4
Mayo, Todd   25   3
McKay, Jameel   25   8
Otule, Chris   20   11
Gardner, Davante   20   8
Burton, Deonte   15   5
Wilson, Derrick   7   0
Taylor, Steve   7   7
Anderson, Juan   7   6
Wilson, Duane   7   3
Ferguson, Jamal   7   3
Taylor, TJ   7   3
Thomas, Jake   3   3
   200   
   6-foot-5.1, 80th tallest   
   6-foot-5.9 adjusted for minutes, 25th tallest   
   In 2010, 6-foot-2.7 for 341st tallest   

Good stuff as always bama.  In one full recruiting cycle, Buzz has upgraded not only the talent level of the roster top to bottom, but also the height of our team top to bottom.  That should translate into some very nice results on the court.

Thanks, and I agree.  The only problem is it makes for an even more devasting day whenever the season ends in 2014.  Its one thing to be playing with house money when you make the tournament with Lazar playing out of position at center and Acker and Cubillan bringing it up the court, but a lot more devasting when you have Meminger and Chones and OSU sneaks out the 1-point win (not that I am actually old enough to have experienced).

The best team doesn't always win in single elimination, but I do believe we will have one of the best few teams thanks to Buzz.

Quote from: bamamarquettefan on June 05, 2012, 01:14:00 PM
Thanks, and I agree.  The only problem is it makes for an even more devasting day whenever the season ends in 2014.  Its one thing to be playing with house money when you make the tournament with Lazar playing out of position at center and Acker and Cubillan bringing it up the court, but a lot more devasting when you have Meminger and Chones and OSU sneaks out the 1-point win (not that I am actually old enough to have experienced).

I am old enough to remember the Ohio State game -- and it stank. I believe the team named the referees in the Ohio State tournament game to their "All-Opponent" team that year!

Look, at some point you have to have faith. If we're really going to be THAT good, and everything says we might be, then you also have to be good enough to avoid upsets by the Ohio States (circa 1971), Indianas (circa 1973), Purdues (circa 1969), Miami of Ohios (circa 1978) and the Alabamas (circa 1975). The wackiness of the NCAA makes this all the more difficult but if we're going to be this good, then the coaching and prep work has to be up to the task.

Buzz, I think, has matured a lot in the last two years. But once we get past the Sweet 16, we're in rare air! Only once since Al have we made the Final Four and we got our doors blown off by a very good Kansas team whose coach badly out-coached TV Tommy. As that game showed, we weren't ready to play in THAT league. As we improve, avoiding what happened in New Orleans that year (or what happened against North Carolina a year and a half ago) has to be Job 1! Buzz is up to that task.

Agree on all, and as good as I believe we will be, I dont believe we will ever be as good as the 71-72 run again.  But as 1977 proved, you don't have to be - just have to be good enough that we CAN beat anyone - which I don't think we were in 2003 or the last two years, when we probably put together as good of runs as possible.

One final point, Bama ole southern friend.

Good recruits do not always translate to good college players and good national champions. There's a boatload of stories about 4 and 5 star recruits who come to college with visions of granduer and flop so miserably that the peasants in the stands wonder how this guy ever got into college, much less played on a good team.

We've had our share of those! Chocolate Moose (Lloyd Moore) for one! Tony Reeder for another. Even good ole Bernard Toone drove Al crazy because he wasted more talent than anyone Al ever saw.

I'm more confident than perhaps most that the character of the people Buzz recruits helps ensure that we don't have as many flops as we might think we're going to have, but you never know until the banner is hung in the NE corner of the Bradley Center.