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What a moron.
Sounds like he will try to play right away too. Got to preserve that redshirt year for school #4.
If he doesn't graduate, it'll affect MU, right?
Cat'll be older than Otule when he graduates.
This doesn't surprise me at all. UNLV could be a top ten team next year.
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on May 21, 2012, 08:30:35 PM
If he doesn't graduate, it'll affect MU, right?
Not if he left in good standing toward graduation, I think.
For all you NCAA rules experts, is he allowed a second year "in residence" if an exception waiver is not granted? Or does he have to burn another year of eligibility as he sits out this second transfer? Thus only having one more playing season?
Coming from UNLV, can he now transfer to a BE school?
Quote from: ATWizJr on May 21, 2012, 10:12:11 PM
Coming from UNLV, can he now transfer to a BE school?
Damn good question. My money would be on yes. Unless someone foresaw this happening when the rule was written which would seem to be unlikely.
I don't see it coming up though. The only Big East schools that would qualify to get him closer to his family are MU (don't think so) and DePaul. I don't think that he'll transfer to DePaul to sit behind Billy Garrett, Jr.
I thought it was they couldn't accept a scholarship in the conference twice, thus he wouldn't be allowed. Maybe that's sign a LOI. Is it really possible that he could only have one year of eligibility left? In four years playing a total of a year and a half would be amazing in a bad way. Hopefully he finds what he is looking for.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on May 21, 2012, 09:22:46 PM
For all you NCAA rules experts, is he allowed a second year "in residence" if an exception waiver is not granted? Or does he have to burn another year of eligibility as he sits out this second transfer? Thus only having one more playing season?
Reggie hasn't used a redshirt year yet - he's a 2010.. Still 3 years left on his 5 year clock & only 2 years of competition available. Thus, if he was not able to play right away in 2012-13, he'd still have the following 2 years to compete in his final 2 comp yrs
Quote from: Jay Bee on May 21, 2012, 11:19:57 PM
Reggie hasn't used a redshirt year yet - he's a 2010.. Still 3 years left on his 5 year clock & only 2 years of competition available. Thus, if he was not able to play right away in 2012-13, he'd still have the following 2 years to compete in his final 2 comp yrs
So since he indeed used his "in residence" transfer year with the mid-season MU transfer to UNLV, is he allowed to take his voluntary red shirt to sit out another year (if the waiver is not granted)? Or would he have to pay his own way his 2nd transfer season to get two more playing years?
I know he makes the 5 year clock, but the second transfer year requirement without the waiver would screw him I thought based on my limited knowledge. I was thinking he needed the D1 waiver or else he needs to go D3. Seems like the 5 year trumps and he can use two redshirt years on the transfers. Thanks
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on May 21, 2012, 11:55:12 PM
So since he indeed used his "in residence" transfer year with the mid-season MU transfer to UNLV, is he allowed to take his voluntary red shirt to sit out another year (if the waiver is not granted)? Or would he have to pay his own way his 2nd transfer season to get two more playing years?
I know he makes the 5 year clock, but the second transfer year requirement without the waiver would screw him I thought based on my limited knowledge. I was thinking he needed the D1 waiver or else he needs to go D3. Seems like the 5 year trumps and he can use two redshirt years on the transfers. Thanks
Head isn't on all the way straight right now, but some thoughts:
- I don't think there is a "in residence" transfer year that has been "used". The year in residence is simply a requirement under certain bylaws... not something that is 'available' one time.
- Similarly, no one really "takes" or "uses" a redshirt -- redshirt simply means you don't play. That said, he can certainly not play for a year.
- I think this would be the case: transfer to a third D1 school (4-4-4) and be immediately eligible for financial aid (because he spent at least one year at UNLV). Eligible to compete in 2013-14... with 2 more years on his clock and 2 more years of competition available.
2010-11: played season
2011-12: played season
2012-13: sit out season while fulfilling residence requirement (unless a waiver is granted)
2013-14: play season
2014-15: play season
I think he's in the same position as a kid who has been at just one school, but didn't get any PT in the second half of his freshman year or first half of his sophomore year.
Quote from: ATWizJr on May 21, 2012, 10:12:11 PM
Coming from UNLV, can he now transfer to a BE school?
[insert bo ryan joke here.]
I actually feel bad for Reggie. Whoever is advising him seems to really overvalue his abilities, especially as an underclassman and/or not really understand the situations he's walking into. If he was looking to play right away, MU wasn't a good fit for him to begin with considering he would have spent 3 years backing up Cadougan. It's really unfortunate for him.
Quote from: Jay Bee on May 22, 2012, 12:57:34 AM
2010-11: played season
2011-12: played season
2012-13: sit out season while fulfilling residence requirement (unless a waiver is granted)
2013-14: play season
2014-15: play season
I think he's in the same position as a kid who has been at just one school, but didn't get any PT in the second half of his freshman year or first half of his sophomore year.
Thanks...I thought it was that he burned one year of hoops eligility in Fall Semester of 2010 at MU. Burned a year redshirt for the Winter 2011 and Fall 2012 semesters at UNLV for in residence as he sat out. Then burned a second year of eligility for the Winter Semester 2012 season. And since I was under the impression that he already burned his one redshirt year, that he needed a hardship waiver to get the second to sit out this time, which he is applying for as you are allowed only one redshirt without a waiver (if I get it right). You are right, my head hurts ?-(
I hope the kid didn't screw himself again.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on May 22, 2012, 10:46:28 AM
Thanks...I thought it was that he burned one year of hoops eligility in Fall Semester of 2010 at MU. Burned a year redshirt for the Winter 2011 and Fall 2012 semesters at UNLV for in residence as he sat out. Then burned a second year of eligility for the Winter Semester 2012 season. And since I was under the impression that he already burned his one redshirt year, that he needed a hardship waiver to get the second to sit out this time, which he is applying for as you are allowed only one redshirt without a waiver (if I get it right). You are right, my head hurts ?-(
I hope the kid didn't screw himself again.
My head hurts too, can we go back to discussing academic standards and their impact on the socio-economic environment? Or the Laffer Curve?
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on May 22, 2012, 10:46:28 AM
Thanks...I thought it was that he burned one year of hoops eligility in Fall Semester of 2010 at MU. Burned a year redshirt for the Winter 2011 and Fall 2012 semesters at UNLV for in residence as he sat out. Then burned a second year of eligility for the Winter Semester 2012 season. And since I was under the impression that he already burned his one redshirt year, that he needed a hardship waiver to get the second to sit out this time, which he is applying for as you are allowed only one redshirt without a waiver (if I get it right). You are right, my head hurts ?-(
I hope the kid didn't screw himself again.
A good way to remember this is that redshirts cannot be spread out over semesters in two different academic years. That is why mid-year transfers are dumb.
I wonder how our neighbors to the west will spin this as being proof that Buzz runs players off. Clearly, Reggie and the college coaches he has had differ in his role and abilities. Sometimes, the transfer is because of the player, not the coach.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on May 22, 2012, 01:24:42 PM
A good way to remember this is that redshirts cannot be spread out over semesters in two different academic years. That is why mid-year transfers are dumb.
Better way to remember us that a redshirt is just a term used to describe a kid who doesn't play a single second in an entire season.