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Title: Duane Wilson - Nike eybl Dallas recap
Post by: Sharpie on May 14, 2012, 04:11:41 PM
From espn insider. Article by John Stovall and Paul Biancardi.

Duane Wilson is the consummate scoring point guard who can score and distribute with equal effectiveness. He is at his best when he is in attack mode, and he has become much more explosive and confident than he was last season. He has turned himself into one of the best guards in the country.

**for what it's worth, he was the second player mentioned in this article.
Title: Re: Duane Wilson - Nike eybl Dallas recap
Post by: Bocephys on May 14, 2012, 04:26:56 PM
Link to whole article, though I didn't much recognize any of the other names in there.  http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/ncbrecruiting/national/post?id=2114
Title: Re: Duane Wilson - Nike eybl Dallas recap
Post by: THEultimateWARRIOR on May 14, 2012, 05:08:41 PM
Hes going to shoot up when the next rankings come out.
Title: Re: Duane Wilson - Nike eybl Dallas recap
Post by: Otule's Glass Eye on May 14, 2012, 05:28:04 PM
I hate insider.
Title: Re: Duane Wilson - Nike eybl Dallas recap
Post by: Otule's Glass Eye on May 14, 2012, 05:30:23 PM
MU really got a steal in Wilson its a good thing he picked us before his ratings shot up and he got offers from top 10 teams.
Title: Re: Duane Wilson - Nike eybl Dallas recap
Post by: esotericmindguy on May 14, 2012, 05:49:11 PM
Quote from: MUFanatic4Life on May 14, 2012, 05:30:23 PM
MU really got a steal in Wilson its a good thing he picked us before his ratings shot up and he got offers from top 10 teams.

Why? Tired of the defeatist attitude on this board. Can Marquette get top 10-20 players? Probably not, but Marquette IS a top 20 program with Buzz, and he will be landing players like this repeatedly. How many programs have more players in the NBA right now? 10-15 would be my guess.
Title: Re: Duane Wilson - Nike eybl Dallas recap
Post by: hairy worthen on May 14, 2012, 06:34:35 PM
esotericmindguy.

i agree with you the inferiority complex drives me crazy. but you did it yourself. Why dont you think mu can get top 10 to 20 guys?
Title: Re: Duane Wilson - Nike eybl Dallas recap
Post by: Otule's Glass Eye on May 14, 2012, 07:28:11 PM
Quote from: esotericmindguy on May 14, 2012, 05:49:11 PM
Why? Tired of the defeatist attitude on this board. Can Marquette get top 10-20 players? Probably not, but Marquette IS a top 20 program with Buzz, and he will be landing players like this repeatedly. How many programs have more players in the NBA right now? 10-15 would be my guess.

by top 10 teams I mean every year NC contenders like KU, Duke, UNC, etc.
Title: Re: Duane Wilson - Nike eybl Dallas recap
Post by: AZWarrior on May 14, 2012, 10:25:24 PM
Quote from: MUFanatic4Life on May 14, 2012, 07:28:11 PM
by top 10 teams I mean every year NC contenders like KU, Duke, UNC, etc.

.....MU......   (I'm just projecting out a few years)
Title: Re: Duane Wilson - Nike eybl Dallas recap
Post by: 77ncaachamps on May 14, 2012, 10:30:59 PM
Quote from: esotericmindguy on May 14, 2012, 05:49:11 PM
Why? Tired of the defeatist attitude on this board. Can Marquette get top 10-20 players? Probably not, but Marquette IS a top 20 program with Buzz, and he will be landing players like this repeatedly. How many programs have more players in the NBA right now? 10-15 would be my guess.

I'd love to know the breakdown for the NBA *CURRENT*, but this is the closest I got for now.

http://www.rpiratings.com/NBA.php

"Division I Schools Ranked by Number of Players in NBA

                       No. Players
School                    In NBA
Duke                        16
Kentucky                    15
UCLA                        15
Texas                       13
Kansas                      12
North Carolina              12
Connecticut                 11
Arizona                     10
Florida                     10
Georgia Tech                 7
Wake Forest                  7
LSU                          6
Ohio St.                     6
Southern Cal                 6
Florida St.                  5
Marquette                    5
Purdue                       5
Stanford                     5
Syracuse                     5"
Title: Re: Duane Wilson - Nike eybl Dallas recap
Post by: cheebs09 on May 14, 2012, 10:39:40 PM
Wow, I'm actually kind of surprised Duke is at the top of that list. I always thought the stigma was Duke players underachieve in the NBA and they don't really produce stars. Granted they have a lot of solid guys like Battier, Brand, and Boozer. I was thinking UNC or UCLA would be tops.
Title: Re: Duane Wilson - Nike eybl Dallas recap
Post by: esotericmindguy on May 14, 2012, 11:26:38 PM
Quote from: hairyworthen on May 14, 2012, 06:34:35 PM
esotericmindguy.

i agree with you the inferiority complex drives me crazy. but you did it yourself. Why dont you think mu can get top 10 to 20 guys?

Ha, I guess I did. Mainly because we haven't landed top 20 players since the 70s...and I wasn't around then. Most of the top kids go to top 5-10 type programs. I think Marquette is a tier II program. But Wilson would have to climb quite a bit to get there.
Title: Re: Duane Wilson - Nike eybl Dallas recap
Post by: Goose on May 15, 2012, 05:14:48 AM
Hairy
I do not get why everyone thinks we cannot recruit top guys. Was talking with brother in law and we both agree that many do have an inferiority complex in Warrior Nation. It is not easy to beat the big boys for top ten kids but it can be done.
Title: Re: Duane Wilson - Nike eybl Dallas recap
Post by: brewcity77 on May 15, 2012, 06:34:59 AM
Quote from: Bocephys on May 14, 2012, 04:26:56 PM
Link to whole article, though I didn't much recognize any of the other names in there.  http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/ncbrecruiting/national/post?id=2114

In the past, I've heard us associated with Andrew Wiggins, Johnathan Williams III, and JaQuan Lyle. Wiggins is probably the second-best HS player in the country after Jabari Parker, and from the sound of things lately, he may be even better. I'd be floored if he didn't end up at a perennial blue-blood like Kentucky or UNC. Probably the best player to ever come out of Canada. Williams I know we had interest in, but I'm not sure it's still there. High-level player, and our staff has been down to Memphis to see him, but no news recently. Lyle is probably the most likely of these three. He was supposed to be at Marquette Madness last year, but didn't end up making the trip. One of a number of top-25 players for 2014 we're in on.
Title: Re: Duane Wilson - Nike eybl Dallas recap
Post by: bilsu on May 15, 2012, 06:38:53 AM
It would be more interesting to see the numbers less McDonald's all-americans. MU would still have 5, but some of the other schools would take a significant hit.
Title: Re: Duane Wilson - Nike eybl Dallas recap
Post by: Silkk the Shaka on May 15, 2012, 06:39:10 AM
Quote from: cheebs09 on May 14, 2012, 10:39:40 PM
Wow, I'm actually kind of surprised Duke is at the top of that list. I always thought the stigma was Duke players underachieve in the NBA and they don't really produce stars. Granted they have a lot of solid guys like Battier, Brand, and Boozer. I was thinking UNC or UCLA would be tops.

How does the raw number of Duke players in the NBA refute the idea that once they get there they underachieve and aren't stars?
Title: Re: Duane Wilson - Nike eybl Dallas recap
Post by: Silkk the Shaka on May 15, 2012, 06:40:12 AM
Quote from: bilsu on May 15, 2012, 06:38:53 AM
It would be more interesting to see the numbers less McDonald's all-americans. MU would still have 5, but some of the other schools would take a significant hit.

Sending out the Paint Touches bat signal... would love to see those numbers too
Title: Re: Duane Wilson - Nike eybl Dallas recap
Post by: brewcity77 on May 15, 2012, 06:43:52 AM
Quote from: Jamailman on May 15, 2012, 06:39:10 AM
How does the raw number of Duke players in the NBA refute the idea that once they get there they underachieve and aren't stars?

Yeah, but it at least shows they have an ability to stick. Sure, some of these guys might not become what was hoped of them, but just remaining in the league is an accomplishment. Though I agree about seeing the numbers without McDAA. If no one else gets on it, I might try to do that research later this week.
Title: Re: Duane Wilson - Nike eybl Dallas recap
Post by: 77ncaachamps on May 15, 2012, 12:10:14 PM
Only TWO NON-McD'sAA...

Here's Duke's List: http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/colleges.cgi?college=duke

1   Kyrie Irving           2012   2012
2   Nolan Smith      2012   2012
3   Lance Thomas   2012   2012
4   Gerald Henderson   2010   2012
5   Josh McRoberts   2008   2012
6   J.J. Redick           2007   2012
7   Shelden Williams   2007   2012
8   Luol Deng           2005   2012
9   Chris Duhon           2005   2012
10   Dahntay Jones   2004   2012
11   Carlos Boozer   2003   2012   
12   Mike Dunleavy   2003   2012
13   Shane Battier   2002   2012
14   Elton Brand           2000   2012
15   Corey Maggette   2000   2012
16   Grant Hill            1995  2012


Only TWO. In Bold.

http://www.dukeupdate.com/Records/mcdonalds_allamerica.htm
Title: Re: Duane Wilson - Nike eybl Dallas recap
Post by: Canadian Dimes on May 15, 2012, 09:10:51 PM
Bottom line 6 ncaas in a row and very importantly 2 sweet 16's and a second place finish have really started to get MU n Buzz noticed and now considered by the top players.
Buzz did not have that cache in his first few years and MU was rifhtly considered a middle of the road BE program.  Now MU and Buzz are considered to be at the top of the BE.
This makes MU a contender with the top talent
Title: Re: Duane Wilson - Nike eybl Dallas recap
Post by: brewcity77 on May 15, 2012, 09:22:32 PM
It's only one ranking, and I'm not sure how thorough they are, but NY2LA ranks Wilson #20 in 2013. Here's hoping they're ahead of their time.
Title: Re: Duane Wilson - Nike eybl Dallas recap
Post by: Jay Bee on May 15, 2012, 09:26:41 PM
Quote from: brewcity77 on May 15, 2012, 09:22:32 PM
It's only one ranking, and I'm not sure how thorough they are, but NY2LA ranks Wilson #20 in 2013. Here's hoping they're ahead of their time.

Can't imagine a local guy ranking a local kid high.
Title: Re: Duane Wilson - Nike eybl Dallas recap
Post by: MuMark on May 15, 2012, 09:56:05 PM

I think that is 7 in a row not 6.

4 for the amigos. Lazar's senior year, Jimmy's, and then Jae/DJO
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on May 15, 2012, 09:10:51 PM
Bottom line 6 ncaas in a row and very importantly 2 sweet 16's and a second place finish have really started to get MU n Buzz noticed and now considered by the top players.
Buzz did not have that cache in his first few years and MU was rifhtly considered a middle of the road BE program.  Now MU and Buzz are considered to be at the top of the BE.
This makes MU a contender with the top talent
Title: Re: Duane Wilson - Nike eybl Dallas recap
Post by: real chili 83 on May 16, 2012, 06:50:48 AM
Where is Wisconsin on this list?????  ;)


Quote from: 77ncaachamps on May 14, 2012, 10:30:59 PM
I'd love to know the breakdown for the NBA *CURRENT*, but this is the closest I got for now.

http://www.rpiratings.com/NBA.php

"Division I Schools Ranked by Number of Players in NBA

                       No. Players
School                    In NBA
Duke                        16
Kentucky                    15
UCLA                        15
Texas                       13
Kansas                      12
North Carolina              12
Connecticut                 11
Arizona                     10
Florida                     10
Georgia Tech                 7
Wake Forest                  7
LSU                          6
Ohio St.                     6
Southern Cal                 6
Florida St.                  5
Marquette                    5
Purdue                       5
Stanford                     5
Syracuse                     5"
Title: Re: Duane Wilson - Nike eybl Dallas recap
Post by: Hards Alumni on May 16, 2012, 07:05:56 AM
Quote from: real chili 83 on May 16, 2012, 06:50:48 AM
Where is Wisconsin on this list?????  ;)



Stiemsma, Jon Leuer, and Devin Harris.  The great Alando Tucker got bounced after 2009.

That should be all, I think.
Title: Re: Duane Wilson - Nike eybl Dallas recap
Post by: romey on May 16, 2012, 07:12:47 AM
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on May 16, 2012, 07:05:56 AM
Stiemsma, Jon Leuer, and Devin Harris.  The great Alando Tucker got bounced after 2009.

That should be all, I think.

How can you forget Leuer???? :o
Title: Re: Duane Wilson - Nike eybl Dallas recap
Post by: Hards Alumni on May 16, 2012, 07:17:21 AM
Quote from: romey on May 16, 2012, 07:12:47 AM
How can you forget Leuer???? :o

no idea!
Title: Re: Duane Wilson - Nike eybl Dallas recap
Post by: cheebs09 on May 16, 2012, 07:58:32 AM
Quote from: Jamailman on May 15, 2012, 06:39:10 AM
How does the raw number of Duke players in the NBA refute the idea that once they get there they underachieve and aren't stars?

Yea, thinking about it my statement doesn't make a ton of sense. Even if high draft picks aren't stars, they can still have nice 10 year careers. Kwame Brown is still getting a paycheck.

My thinking was by not having stars and more underachievers, then it is tougher to have such a high number. Seeing how good players like McNeal and James are having a tough time cracking the league, I found it surprising they would have that many when they don't have a ton of stars in the league.
Title: Re: Duane Wilson - Nike eybl Dallas recap
Post by: Hards Alumni on May 16, 2012, 08:06:48 AM
Quote from: cheebs09 on May 16, 2012, 07:58:32 AM
Yea, thinking about it my statement doesn't make a ton of sense. Even if high draft picks aren't stars, they can still have nice 10 year careers. Kwame Brown is still getting a paycheck.

My thinking was by not having stars and more underachievers, then it is tougher to have such a high number. Seeing how good players like McNeal and James are having a tough time cracking the league, I found it surprising they would have that many when they don't have a ton of stars in the league.

McNeal and James were both undersized for the NBA... I think DJO will have this same problem.
Title: Re: Duane Wilson - Nike eybl Dallas recap
Post by: Henry Sugar on May 16, 2012, 08:32:55 AM
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on May 16, 2012, 08:06:48 AM
McNeal and James were both undersized for the NBA... I think DJO will have this same problem.

Did you know... there is very little correlation between a player's relative height at a position and how good they end up being in the NBA?

The reason DJO won't make the NBA is related to other reasons.  :)
Title: Re: Duane Wilson - Nike eybl Dallas recap
Post by: Hards Alumni on May 16, 2012, 08:52:00 AM
Quote from: Warrior's Path on May 16, 2012, 08:32:55 AM
Did you know... there is very little correlation between a player's relative height at a position and how good they end up being in the NBA?

The reason DJO won't make the NBA is related to other reasons.  :)

Do you have proof of this?  Aside from outliers such as Allen Iverson, the number of players who are under 6' (like Dom) playing is extremely small.  And SGs under 6'2 (McNeal and DJO) is extremely small as well.

fwiw I think DJO could be a pretty decent NBA player.  Less offensive fouls would get him to the line a lot, plus he can shoot the ball and create his own shot... he plays good D.

Remember, NBA GMs are drafting on potential, and size... not college production.
Title: Re: Duane Wilson - Nike eybl Dallas recap
Post by: Tugg Speedman on May 16, 2012, 08:52:44 AM
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on May 15, 2012, 12:10:14 PM
Only TWO NON-McD'sAA...

Here's Duke's List: http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/colleges.cgi?college=duke

1   Kyrie Irving           2012   2012
2   Nolan Smith      2012   2012
3   Lance Thomas   2012   2012
4   Gerald Henderson   2010   2012
5   Josh McRoberts   2008   2012
6   J.J. Redick           2007   2012
7   Shelden Williams   2007   2012
8   Luol Deng           2005   2012
9   Chris Duhon           2005   2012
10   Dahntay Jones   2004   2012
11   Carlos Boozer   2003   2012   
12   Mike Dunleavy   2003   2012
13   Shane Battier   2002   2012
14   Elton Brand           2000   2012
15   Corey Maggette   2000   2012
16   Grant Hill            1995  2012


Only TWO. In Bold.

http://www.dukeupdate.com/Records/mcdonalds_allamerica.htm

Regarding Duke players in the NBA

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_duke_players_have_won_an_NBA_title

Since the "Coach K" era started only one duke player has a NBA championship ring: Danny Ferry won a ring as a bench warmer with the San Antonio Spurs during his stint in the 2002-03 season. Prior to the Coach K era, the only Duke player to win a ring was Jeff Mullins, by then no longer a starter but still a contributor for the Golden State Warriors during the 1974-75 season.
Title: Re: Duane Wilson - Nike eybl Dallas recap
Post by: Henry Sugar on May 16, 2012, 09:42:57 AM
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on May 16, 2012, 08:52:00 AM
Do you have proof of this?  Aside from outliers such as Allen Iverson, the number of players who are under 6' (like Dom) playing is extremely small.  And SGs under 6'2 (McNeal and DJO) is extremely small as well.

fwiw I think DJO could be a pretty decent NBA player.  Less offensive fouls would get him to the line a lot, plus he can shoot the ball and create his own shot... he plays good D.

Remember, NBA GMs are drafting on potential, and size... not college production.

My new stats project is tinkering around with the link between college production and NBA performance.  Yes, I have proof of my statement and found the result very surprising. 
Title: Re: Duane Wilson - Nike eybl Dallas recap
Post by: Hards Alumni on May 16, 2012, 09:44:24 AM
Quote from: Warrior's Path on May 16, 2012, 09:42:57 AM
My new stats project is tinkering around with the link between college production and NBA performance.  Yes, I have proof of my statement and found the result very surprising. 

awesome, I always sort of wonder about stuff like this... I'd love to see it when you're finished.
Title: Re: Duane Wilson - Nike eybl Dallas recap
Post by: GGGG on May 16, 2012, 09:54:52 AM
Quote from: Warrior's Path on May 16, 2012, 08:32:55 AM
Did you know... there is very little correlation between a player's relative height at a position and how good they end up being in the NBA?

The reason DJO won't make the NBA is related to other reasons.  :)


But the trouble you are going to run into is defining position.  DJO is going to have trouble in the NBA because of his ball handling.  However, Steve Novak isn't a good ball handler either.  The fact that he is tall is part of his advantage however.  Are you saying that if Novak were DJO's height that he would statistically have the same type of performance?
Title: Re: Duane Wilson - Nike eybl Dallas recap
Post by: Henry Sugar on May 16, 2012, 10:38:55 AM
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on May 16, 2012, 09:54:52 AM

But the trouble you are going to run into is defining position.  DJO is going to have trouble in the NBA because of his ball handling.  However, Steve Novak isn't a good ball handler either.  The fact that he is tall is part of his advantage however.  Are you saying that if Novak were DJO's height that he would statistically have the same type of performance?

You raise good positions about height and positioning.  I'm basing my statement on the idea that there are many successful players that are 1-2" inches shorter than their average position height, just as there are many players 1-2" taller than their average position height that are not successful.

DJO's height is going to be an issue for him at his most likely position.  After all, he's 2-3" shorter than the average SG in the NBA.  But even if you slot him as a PG, he still doesn't stand out compared to other players in the draft or the league.

My point is that the reason he shouldn't make the NBA is primarily due to other factors beyond his height. 
Title: Re: Duane Wilson - Nike eybl Dallas recap
Post by: GGGG on May 16, 2012, 11:12:37 AM
But you are letting height determine his position and not his game. He has never been a PG. That would be like saying "Novak is tall like a center but that won't determine why he can't play it in the nba."
Title: Re: Duane Wilson - Nike eybl Dallas recap
Post by: Henry Sugar on May 16, 2012, 11:31:04 AM
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on May 16, 2012, 11:12:37 AM
But you are letting height determine his position and not his game. He has never been a PG. That would be like saying "Novak is tall like a center but that won't determine why he can't play it in the nba."

DJO's height is not why he won't be good, regardless of what position he plays.  The reason he shouldn't make the NBA is primarily due to other factors beyond his height.
Title: Re: Duane Wilson - Nike eybl Dallas recap
Post by: Silkk the Shaka on May 16, 2012, 11:41:29 AM
Quote from: Warrior's Path on May 16, 2012, 11:31:04 AM
DJO's height is not why he won't be good, regardless of what position he plays.  The reason he shouldn't make the NBA is primarily due to other factors beyond his height.

Careful Sugar... GOMU85 might call you out for not being a "real fan" with an analytical post like that.
Title: Re: Duane Wilson - Nike eybl Dallas recap
Post by: Bocephys on May 16, 2012, 01:33:31 PM
Quote from: Jamailman on May 16, 2012, 11:41:29 AM
Careful Sugar... GOMU85 might call you out for not being a "real fan" with an analytical post like that.

And then ask if you're mad at him.
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