http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/ncaa/pdfs/2012/2012+ncaa+mens+basketball+attendance
I believe this is the 11th year in a row that MU is the only non-football team in the top 20.
Rank School G Attendance Average
1. Kentucky 18 426,978 23,721
2. Syracuse 19 448,736 23,618
3. Louisville 20 430,052 21,503
4. North Carolina 18 362,867 20,159
5. Wisconsin 18 309,255 17,181
6. Creighton 16 266,632 16,665
7. Tennessee 19 314,321 16,543
8. Ohio St. 20 330,210 16,511
9. Indiana 19 312,770 16,462
10. Kansas 17 279,557 16,445
11. Memphis 20 324,670 16,234
12. BYU 16 246,777 15,424
13. Marquette 16 242,205 15,138
14. Illinois 18 269,739 14,986
15. Michigan St. 18 266,346 14,797
16. New Mexico 16 231,262 14,454
17. UNLV 19 266,469 14,025
18. Vanderbilt 18 246,561 13,698
19. Arizona 18 244,829 13,602
20. North Carolina St. 19 257,638 13,560
21. Purdue 17 226,504 13,324
22. Maryland 17 224,090 13,182
23. Arkansas 21 275,020 13,096
24. Iowa St. 18 234,266 13,015
25. Kansas St. 16 204,527 12,783
26. Connecticut 17 214,873 12,640
For those dissing Creighton as a possible conference foe on other threads, take a look at where they are ranked.
Creighton's only a conference foe if MU wants to join the Valley.
Nonetheless, congrats on another solid season at Bradley Center.
Creighton has football?
Quote from: 79Warrior on May 10, 2012, 07:36:48 PM
For those dissing Creighton as a possible conference foe on other threads, take a look at where they are ranked.
Creighton's rank is very impressive. When you're talking about conference affiliation the question is - will it translate into TV revenue? Probably not outside of Nebraska which isn't much. An interesting note is that Creighton had the largest attendance increase of any school this year; 3,150+. I guess Nebraska football and Creighton basketball are what passes for pro sports in Nebraska with their terrific fan support.
Marquette while ranked 13th in average attendance, was ranked tenth in total attendance. This is what you get with "buy" games. Lower attendance which hurts your average attendance, but extra butts in the seats overall to help keep the program fiscally healthy. In total attendance, Creighton drops to 18th.
St. Louis U. used to be a top fifteen team, but now they are back in the sixties just ahead of DePaul. A fair warning of what can happen when the administration lets backing for the program slip.
Quote from: MUUWUWM on May 10, 2012, 08:54:35 PM
Creighton has football?
They dropped football after 1942. I guess that the Missouri Valley is another "hybrid" football member and basketball only member conference.
Wait ... Indiana has football?
Quote from: MU82 on May 10, 2012, 09:42:08 PM
Wait ... Indiana has football?
Well, they own a football.
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=30382.msg354813;topicseen#msg354813
... However it is interesting to note that [Creighton] students get free admission to every game for all sports.
Quote from: LittleMurs on May 10, 2012, 09:12:10 PM
They dropped football after 1942. I guess that the Missouri Valley is another "hybrid" football member and basketball only member conference.
Yes, I assumed that all schools in the Missouri Valley had football.
I looked it up ... MU's combined attendance since 1988 (when the BC was opened) is now over 4.5 million and over that stretch MU is the only non-football school in the top 20 of attendance. The source is Mike Kelley during a MU broadcast.
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=11536.0
Quote from: LittleMurs on May 10, 2012, 09:08:46 PM
Creighton's rank is very impressive. When you're talking about conference affiliation the question is - will it translate into TV revenue? Probably not outside of Nebraska which isn't much. An interesting note is that Creighton had the largest attendance increase of any school this year; 3,150+. I guess Nebraska football and Creighton basketball are what passes for pro sports in Nebraska with their terrific fan support.
Marquette while ranked 13th in average attendance, was ranked tenth in total attendance. This is what you get with "buy" games. Lower attendance which hurts your average attendance, but extra butts in the seats overall to help keep the program fiscally healthy. In total attendance, Creighton drops to 18th.
St. Louis U. used to be a top fifteen team, but now they are back in the sixties just ahead of DePaul. A fair warning of what can happen when the administration lets backing for the program slip.
Just curious, is Milwaukee that much better a TV market than Omaha?
Top 100 TV markets in order
Milwaukee 35 and Omaha 76.
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Rank Metropolitan Market Regions / Areas
1 New York
2 Los Angeles
3 Chicago
4 Philadelphia
5 Dallas-Ft. Worth
6 San Francisco-Oakland-San Jose
7 Boston
8 Atlanta
9 Washington, DC
10 Houston
11 Detroit
12 Phoenix
13 Tampa-St. Petersburg
14 Seattle-Tacoma
15 Minneapolis-St. Paul
16 Miami-Ft.Lauderdale
17 Cleveland-Akron
18 Denver
19 Orlando-Daytona Beach-Melbourne
20 Sacramento-Stockton-Modesto
21 St. Louis
22 Portland, OR
23 Pittsburgh
24 Charlotte, NC
25 Indianapolis
26 Baltimore
27 Raleigh-Durham
28 San Diego
29 Nashville
30 Hartford-New Haven
31 Kansas City
32 Columbus, OH
33 Salt Lake City
34 Cincinnati
35 Milwaukee
36 Greenville-Spartanburg-Asheville-Anderson
37 San Antonio
38 West Palm Beach-Ft. Pierce
39 Grand Rapids-Kalamazoo-Battle Creek
40 Birmingham
41 Harrisburg-Lancaster-Lebanon-York
42 Las Vegas
43 Norfolk-Portsmouth-Newport News
44 Albuquerque-Santa Fe
45 Oklahoma City
46 Greensboro-High Point-Winston-Salem
47 Jacksonville, FL
48 Memphis
49 Austin
50 Louisville
51 Buffalo
52 Providence-New Bedford
53 New Orleans
54 Wilkes Barre-Scranton
55 Fresno-Visalia
56 Little Rock-Pine Bluff
57 Albany-Schenectady-Troy
58 Richmond-Petersburg
59 Knoxville
60 Mobile-Pensacola
61 Tulsa
62 Ft. Myers-Naples
63 Lexington
64 Dayton
65 Charleston-Huntington
66 Flint-Saginaw-Bay City
67 Roanoke-Lynchburg
68 Tucson
69 Wichita-Hutchinson
70 Green Bay-Appleton
71 Des Moines-Ames
72 Honolulu
73 Toledo
74 Springfield, MO
75 Spokane
76 Omaha
77 Portland-Auburn
78 Paducah-Cape Girardeau-Harrisburg
79 Columbia, SC
80 Rochester, NY
81 Syracuse
82 Huntsville-Decatur
83 Champaign-Springfield-Decatur
84 Shreveport
85 Madison
86 Chattanooga
87 Harlingen-Weslaco-Brownsville-McAllen
88 Cedar Rapids-Waterloo-Iowa City-Dubuque
89 South Bend-Elkhart
90 Jackson, MS
91 Colorado Springs-Pueblo
92 Tri-Cities, TN-NC-VA
93 Burlington-Plattsburgh
94 Waco-Temple-Bryan
95 Baton Rouge
96 Savannah
97 Davenport-Rock Island-Moline
98 El Paso
99 Charleston, SC
100 Ft. Smith-Fayetteville-Springdale-Rogers
St. Louis at number 21. Something to remember if a new league has to be formed. Dayton at 64th is also a better TV market than Omaha.
Quote from: 79Warrior on May 10, 2012, 07:36:48 PM
For those dissing Creighton as a possible conference foe on other threads, take a look at where they are ranked.
Not much more to do in Omaha than in Erie PA.
Quote from: MU82 on May 10, 2012, 09:42:08 PM
Wait ... Indiana has football?
Waitin' on Crean to pony up another pledge.
Quote from: LittleMurs on May 11, 2012, 09:57:41 PM
St. Louis at number 21. Something to remember if a new league has to be formed. Dayton at 64th is also a better TV market than Omaha.
How much do TV Markets really matter? The two smallest TV markets in the Big East are South Bend (89) and Syracuse (81). You think ND is sweating it will get kicked out of the BE? You think Syracuse was twisting arms to get into the ACC because of its TV market?
Similarly, the smallest TV markets in the Big 10 are Iowa city (88) and Madison (85). Are Iowa or UW worried about their viability?
All the High Major Programs have more than 16 scheduled games.
Not surprised as it generates more revenue.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on May 13, 2012, 07:57:26 AM
How much do TV Markets really matter? The two smallest TV markets in the Big East are South Bend (89) and Syracuse (81). You think ND is sweating it will get kicked out of the BE? You think Syracuse was twisting arms to get into the ACC because of its TV market?
Similarly, the smallest TV markets in the Big 10 are Iowa city (88) and Madison (85). Are Iowa or UW worried about their viability?
So, do you really think that NBC gives the Irish their own TV deal to gain access to that all important South Bend TV market? ND is what is called a national brand which means putting ND on TV gets you eyeballs all over the county from their national alumni base, and even more from their large national Catholic following. Probably a majority of Catholic University grads who didn't go to Boston College are ND football fans. There is also a considerable bleed off to ND basketball fandom, as well.
Are you saying that no one in Wisconsin outside of Madison follows the Badgers? I didn't think so. So then how can you use just the Madison TV market when evaluating Wisconsin's desirability or Iowas City's when evaluating Iowa's TV potential? You can't. Some schools have a mostly local following, some have a state wide following, and some very small in number school have a truly national following. TV executives know whose who, and if you think about any particular school its not really that hard to figure out where it stands, if you're any kind of collegiate sports fan. For the "local" schools which is the majority of schools, the local TV market is very key in figuring out that schools potential attractiveness to a TV network.
Quote from: LittleMurs on May 13, 2012, 06:52:06 PM
So, do you really think that NBC gives the Irish their own TV deal to gain access to that all important South Bend TV market? ND is what is called a national brand which means putting ND on TV gets you eyeballs all over the county from their national alumni base, and even more from their large national Catholic following. Probably a majority of Catholic University grads who didn't go to Boston College are ND football fans. There is also a considerable bleed off to ND basketball fandom, as well.
Are you saying that no one in Wisconsin outside of Madison follows the Badgers? I didn't think so. So then how can you use just the Madison TV market when evaluating Wisconsin's desirability or Iowas City's when evaluating Iowa's TV potential? You can't. Some schools have a mostly local following, some have a state wide following, and some very small in number school have a truly national following. TV executives know whose who, and if you think about any particular school its not really that hard to figure out where it stands, if you're any kind of collegiate sports fan. For the "local" schools which is the majority of schools, the local TV market is very key in figuring out that schools potential attractiveness to a TV network.
LM, I was trying to make the same point as you in this post.
And this post disagrees with your previous post that TV market should be considered when forming a new conference.
So does it matter or not?
I do not think it does.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on May 14, 2012, 10:07:54 AM
LM, I was trying to make the same point as you in this post.
And this post disagrees with your previous post that TV market should be considered when forming a new conference.
So does it matter or not?
I do not think it does.
I think it *might* matter for 2nd tier schools, like MU.
The large state schools are always going to have a huge following. The popular private schools are going to have a loyal following as well (Duke, ND).
For the 2nd tier state schools (Cincinnati) and private schools (MU), I think media market does make them more attractive than say Creighton, or Ohio University.
It's not a slam dunk, but it can be a factor because of the ad dollars available and potential for growth in larger markets.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on May 14, 2012, 10:07:54 AM
LM, I was trying to make the same point as you in this post.
And this post disagrees with your previous post that TV market should be considered when forming a new conference.
So does it matter or not?
I do not think it does.
I don't believe that I was changing my opinion at all on the value of the local TV market in making most schools attractive to TV networks, and by extension to a conference. Here again is the last sentence of my post.
"For the "local" schools which is the majority of schools, the local TV market is very key in figuring out that schools potential attractiveness to a TV network."
Quote from: LittleMurs on May 14, 2012, 11:40:15 AM
I don't believe that I was changing my opinion at all on the value of the local TV market in making most schools attractive to TV networks, and by extension to a conference. Here again is the last sentence of my post.
"For the "local" schools which is the majority of schools, the local TV market is very key in figuring out that schools potential attractiveness to a TV network."
I think we are saying the same thing. For the "big schools" in the conference, those that are ranked and/or with a national following, it does not matter what TV market they are in. When trying to round out a conference with bottom tier teams, the TV market may matter. This is why Depaul will always have a welcome Matt for them in any realignment. If Creighton's program was the same as Depaul over the last 10 years, no welcome Matt.
Does that sum up your opinion? I agree with this.
(I would put MU in the top tier. They will be desired because of the strength of the program and not because of the Milwaukee TV market's strength or weaknesses.)
Quote from: MU82 on May 10, 2012, 09:42:08 PM
Wait ... Indiana has football?
Not really but they hired Jack harbaugh, football coach emeritus.