He is the AList guest of the day today, so he should be in studio and be on for 20-30 minutes or so
Anything interesting?
http://espnwisconsin.com/page.php?page_id=70
I think Buzz sent a pretty big message with his answer to the JUCO question.
When does Buzz show up? Stuck listening to Needles talk about how much better sports was 30 years ago.
I think there is a lot of ways to skin a cat- Buzz Williams
Buzz starts around the 6:40 minute mark of the 2nd hour.
Basketball related he said we shouldn't expect TJ Taylor to have a big impact his first year. Reminded listeners that he has yet to play a high level D1 game. He said he will have his own niche.
He said he won't pick new assistant coach until he is done recruiting. He said he received many calls about the job.
Quote from: cheebs09 on May 08, 2012, 12:22:28 PM
I think Buzz sent a pretty big message with his answer to the JUCO question.
+1 He sure did. Wow.
Quote from: THEultimateWARRIOR on May 08, 2012, 12:55:22 PM
+1 He sure did. Wow.
I'm unable to listen to it at work. What did he say?
Buzz is such a tough nut to crack sometimes... He said something on the segment about not telling anyone who your famous friends are (re: Barkley), but then proceeds to namedrop Tark and Martin and others. Not a big deal, but something I notice occasionally in terms of the consistency in which he speaks.
Quote from: ZMovieman on May 08, 2012, 01:04:03 PM
I'm unable to listen to it at work. What did he say?
Jameel McKay, come on down?
Okay, not exactly, but Buzz made it clear that he has no problem bringing Junior College players in. He made a point to say that only Buycks and Crowder were true "JUCO" guys. DJO, Fulce, and JFB were all full qualifiers who ended up at a JUCO for one reason or another. And then he asked who wouldn't have taken Buycks or Crowder? Buycks, the local legend who could provide immediate minutes to replace the departing Amigos, or Crowder, who developed into Big East POY, a NBA draft pick, and finished his entire JUCO education in one year because the first year didn't count.
Buzz also said that when people say we have too many JUCOs, he likes that, because who wouldn't want those guys? He definitely defended bringing in JUCO players, talked about how Tark brought them in at UNLV, and gave no indication whatsoever of any intention that he would stop combing the JUCO ranks for players. If there is indeed a push from above to cut out recruiting JUCOs, I suspect they won't be getting that wish while Buzz Williams is manning the helm at Marquette.
"You know when I was in junior college. I know that's a bad word to say around here."
Screw Pilarz and Larry.
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Quote from: Tigidal on May 08, 2012, 01:04:24 PM
Buzz is such a tough nut to crack sometimes... He said something on the segment about not telling anyone who your famous friends are (re: Barkley), but then proceeds to namedrop Tark and Martin and others. Not a big deal, but something I notice occasionally in terms of the consistency in which he speaks.
Yea, I noticed that too. That's something I also notice in people. Buzz has an ego, even though he plays to the image that he doesn't. I don't have a problem with it, just something to remember in some of the discussions we have about Buzz.
Agreed Stone Cold, my first thought when I heard that and then when he went into his JUCO answer. I don't think he was just talking about the outside general perception, I think he was referring to his bosses.
Quote from: Stone Cold on May 08, 2012, 01:12:21 PM
"You know when I was in junior college. I know that's a bad word to say around here."
Screw Pilarz and Larry.
Sounds like he was referencing the D-List, not his employer.
Quote from: Tigidal on May 08, 2012, 01:04:24 PM
Buzz is such a tough nut to crack sometimes... He said something on the segment about not telling anyone who your famous friends are (re: Barkley), but then proceeds to namedrop Tark and Martin and others. Not a big deal, but something I notice occasionally in terms of the consistency in which he speaks.
The hosts brought up Tark. Buzz brought up Martin because he's the one that ratted out Buzz's retreat on Twitter, which was an answer to another question the hosts asked. Not going out of the way to name-drop imo.
"Likes to hear criticism about JUCOs cause then I know who those people are and what they stand for.." Was a JUCO himself.
Sounds like JUCO issue will be a big litmus test between Buzz and MU. Could of been cause of angst IWB reported.
He sounded pretty damn defensive and fired up when answering JUCO questions.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on May 08, 2012, 01:18:04 PM
The hosts brought up Tark. Buzz brought up Martin because he's the one that ratted out Buzz's retreat on Twitter, which was an answer to another question the hosts asked. Not going out of the way to name-drop imo.
Not that it matters, but he said ernie johnson was a close friend, barkley was his friend, and when the hosts brought up tarkanian he said something to the effect of "thats my boy, just talked to him yesterday" Buzz brought up ernie johnson and barkley in response to a broadcasting question.
Quote from: PTM on May 08, 2012, 01:17:14 PM
Sounds like he was referencing the D-List, not his employer.
That's the way I took it. Maybe not the D-List guys specifically, but maybe making a statement about MKE sports talk in general?
Who knows, I only get the vibe of sports talk in MKE from this board.
Quote from: LancesOtherNut on May 08, 2012, 01:30:00 PM
That's the way I took it. Maybe not the D-List guys specifically, but maybe making a statement about MKE sports talk in general?
Who knows, I only get the vibe of sports talk in MKE from this board.
I couldn't tell if he was referring to his administration, MU fans, Wisconsin fans or talk radio. But it was clear someone was giving him heat over recruiting jucos and he was cleary jabbing back
Quote from: LancesOtherNut on May 08, 2012, 01:30:00 PM
That's the way I took it. Maybe not the D-List guys specifically, but maybe making a statement about MKE sports talk in general?
Who knows, I only get the vibe of sports talk in MKE from this board.
I got the impression it was "people" outside of the program. So I think it was everyone but his family(including team) he was poking at.
Have to say while I'm biased, as I was always a bit of a JUCO defender with Buzz, he makes a really outstanding point about the quality of the JUCOs we've brought in and two of them(Buycks and Jae) were the only two true JUCOs
It sounded to me like he was definitely getting jabs in. No doubt he has an edge to him and hopefully the jabs are meant for UW fans and not his employers. For the record I am Tark fan and JUCO fan.
JUCO kid Buzz Williams vs. "Ivy kids" Larry and Pilarz.
Hopefully this isn't the match made in hell MU is looking at between men's basketball and front office.
Buzz should under no circumstances be barred from recruiting any JUCO players that qualify under NCAA standards. Period. With three out of the five so far being flat out STUDS, it's clearly an area we have a comparative advantage in recruiting-wise. When you're not Kentucky, UNC or UCLA, you need to get a recruiting edge wherever you can find it (within the rules obviously). Plus, it smacks of elitism to look down on someone just because their path to MU wasn't paved in gold. Buzz has earned the right to bring in a JUCO player every year if he wants. Looking strictly at past returns, this is something we should all want him to do anyway.
Anyone know Jae's status on graduation? Buzz metioned DJO but not Jae regarding graduating. Best way to keep JCO's coming in is to make sure they graduate.
Quote from: Stone Cold on May 08, 2012, 01:40:57 PM
JUCO kid Buzz Williams vs. "Ivy kids" Larry and Pilarz.
Hopefully this isn't the match made in hell MU is looking at between men's basketball and front office.
I read on the internet that this IS what is happening.
Jae has said on Twitter that he is committed to finishing his degree at Marquette.
Thanks Tulsa. Anyone know how close?
I didn't hear the interview, but fear that when he says stuff like "Dwight and Jae were the only two true JUCOs," doesn't that sort of play into the negativity around JUCOs in general? I mean, what does that mean, if not that some guys can't cut it at a university straight out of high school? And, anyway, so what? If they go to JUCO, mature to a degree that they can hold their own (in many ways) at a university later, well isn't that ok? And isn't that one of the aims of JUCOs overall?
Quote from: Goose on May 08, 2012, 01:56:04 PM
Thanks Tulsa. Anyone know how close?
Buzz said he had one full year of course work that wouldnt count from his Junior college. Can't imagine he is that close
Quote from: Stone Cold on May 08, 2012, 01:40:57 PM
JUCO kid Buzz Williams vs. "Ivy kids" Larry and Pilarz.
Hopefully this isn't the match made in hell MU is looking at between men's basketball and front office.
Quote from: 2002MUalum on May 08, 2012, 01:54:57 PM
I read on the internet that this IS what is happening.
+1
Jesus, step off the ledge already.
By all means, we should totally interpret these non-specific statements, made on sports talk radio, about JUCOs as a direct attack on Pilarz and Williams, and their DASTARDLY plan to destroy MU basketball and turn it into SLU...AGAIN. TO THE DOOM BUNKER!
I'm sure the quotes are totally not directed to the entire pro-Bucky talk radio & audience DERP-o-sphere, which constantly is running down MU's recruitment of these players.
No, that couldn't POSSIBLY be the case.
I think that was at his original JUCO. He then switched to one that was accredited and took two years worth of coursework in one year. This allowed for him to transfer to Marquette. So, I think he came to Marquette with the credits that any other two year JUCO would have.
Quote from: hairyworthen on May 08, 2012, 02:02:30 PM
Buzz said he had one full year of course work that wouldnt count from his Junior college. Can't imagine he is that close
But he had to get his associates degree from Howard in order to qualify at MU. He accomplished that in two semesters plus summer school. So he would have come in with roughly half the credits needed, but missed out on both summers because he went home last year.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on May 08, 2012, 02:06:45 PM
But he had to get his associates degree from Howard in order to qualify at MU. He accomplished that in two semesters plus summer school. So he would have come in with roughly half the credits needed, but missed out on both summers because he went home last year.
+1
The reason Jae didn't arrive until late in summer his first year was because he was finishing up his Associates. But he did finish it, and thus came into Marquette as a full two-year qualifier.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on May 08, 2012, 02:06:45 PM
But he had to get his associates degree from Howard in order to qualify at MU. He accomplished that in two semesters plus summer school. So he would have come in with roughly half the credits needed, but missed out on both summers because he went home last year.
ok thanks, i forgot about all that.
Quote from: Tigidal on May 08, 2012, 01:04:24 PM
Buzz is such a tough nut to crack sometimes... He said something on the segment about not telling anyone who your famous friends are (re: Barkley), but then proceeds to namedrop Tark and Martin and others. Not a big deal, but something I notice occasionally in terms of the consistency in which he speaks.
There's name dropping and then there's name dropping. Buzz was answering questions about working in television and he naturally talked about the people he worked with - he obviously had fun and developed a relationship with Barkley and was very moved by Ernie Johnson's personal story (cancer, etc). Buzz is the kind of guy who gravitates to people whose stories move him. Anyone who knows him knows that, and most of those people are anything but famous. Talking incessantly about all the famous guys you bring into your locker room for photo ops is another thing altogether.
Reading between the lines, Buzz pretty much said he's going to quit Marquette to coach at a junior college, and he's gonna bring his man Tark as well as Sir Charles to serve as his assistants.
Quote from: mug644 on May 08, 2012, 01:58:50 PM
I didn't hear the interview, but fear that when he says stuff like "Dwight and Jae were the only two true JUCOs," doesn't that sort of play into the negativity around JUCOs in general? I mean, what does that mean, if not that some guys can't cut it at a university straight out of high school? And, anyway, so what? If they go to JUCO, mature to a degree that they can hold their own (in many ways) at a university later, well isn't that ok? And isn't that one of the aims of JUCOs overall?
I think Buzz's point is that ignorant people are so eager to be prejudiced against jucos they don't even bother to inquire as to why they took that path. Their bigotry is much more comfortable if they can apply a "one size fits all" kind of negativity.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on May 08, 2012, 02:35:46 PM
I think Buzz's point is that ignorant people are so eager to be prejudiced against jucos they don't even bother to inquire as to why they took that path. Their bigotry is much more comfortable if they can apply a "one size fits all" kind of negativity.
Precisely.
Quote from: MU82 on May 08, 2012, 02:35:34 PM
Reading between the lines, Buzz pretty much said he's going to quit Marquette to coach at a junior college, and he's gonna bring his man Tark as well as Sir Charles to serve as his assistants.
I'll be honest this was sounding great but I could have used a little more JUCO. Charles went to Auburn.
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Quote from: Stone Cold on May 08, 2012, 02:40:34 PM
I'll be honest this was sounding great but I could have used a little more JUCO. Charles went to Auburn.
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Not much difference
Quote from: Lennys Tap on May 08, 2012, 02:35:46 PM
I think Buzz's point is that ignorant people are so eager to be prejudiced against jucos they don't even bother to inquire as to why they took that path. Their bigotry is much more comfortable if they can apply a "one size fits all" kind of negativity.
Agreee 100%. Buzz talking about who is/isn't a "true Juco" player isn't him saying they are/aren't this way. He's telling the D-list guys based on THEIR perception of what a "true JUCO" is and answering the question.
If you want real name dropping ... Bring up an old Chicos post.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on May 08, 2012, 02:06:45 PM
But he had to get his associates degree from Howard in order to qualify at MU. He accomplished that in two semesters plus summer school. So he would have come in with roughly half the credits needed, but missed out on both summers because he went home last year.
Who was that guy insisting that Jae qualified out of HS in another thread? Oh yeah, that was me.
It is clear now that you were correct, sir.
Kind of disappointed in the questions, I wanted to hear more about the players, recruiting, etc. I could careless on Buzz's outlook on JUCO players. Does it really matter how he feels about it, I mean isn't it apparent with his style of recruiting? I guess i shouldn't expect more coming from ESPN.
"When it comes to the perception of junior college players, I really like to hear the criticism, because I then know who those people are and what their stance is, relative to people's lives.
Talking about LW & Fr. P?
Quote from: JDuquaine on May 08, 2012, 05:24:37 PM
Kind of disappointed in the questions, I wanted to hear more about the players, recruiting, etc. I could careless on Buzz's outlook on JUCO players. Does it really matter how he feels about it, I mean isn't it apparent with his style of recruiting? I guess i shouldn't expect more coming from ESPN.
Yeah...not much more they could ask, though. They could ask about current players, but it's just over a month removed from the season, so how much has changed for Van, Mayo, Gardner, etc? And other than 2012 recruits, NCAA rules prohibit him from talking about any future recruits, so Burton and Wilson are off limits, as are further out hopefuls like Stone or Looney. He could talk about recruiting in general, but other than stock quotes like "we're always recruiting" he can't really say anything. I thought it was a good interview, and the JUCO stuff, in light of the current climate we're hearing about on campus and between Buzz and the administration, was rather massive.
Quote from: brewcity77 on May 08, 2012, 06:30:28 PM
Yeah...not much more they could ask, though. They could ask about current players, but it's just over a month removed from the season, so how much has changed for Van, Mayo, Gardner, etc? And other than 2012 recruits, NCAA rules prohibit him from talking about any future recruits, so Burton and Wilson are off limits, as are further out hopefuls like Stone or Looney. He could talk about recruiting in general, but other than stock quotes like "we're always recruiting" he can't really say anything. I thought it was a good interview, and the JUCO stuff, in light of the current climate we're hearing about on campus and between Buzz and the administration, was rather massive.
I stand corrected, sorry Brew, I wasn't aware of that. Appreciate the insight.
I absolutely enjoyed Buzz' JUCO discussion. His logic is solid and believe most have been a credit to our program. Give me a hungry JUCO kid willing to work hard on the court and in the classroom over a privileged HS senior many times.
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on May 08, 2012, 04:45:17 PM
If you want real name dropping ... Bring up an old Chicos post.
So there I was in the Dish Network office hanging out with Jesus of Nazareth and Nicky Boy Coppernicus (Which is something i do every day) when out of the blue... In comes Churchy!! That is nickname for Winston Churchill but only close friends like myself get to call him that. So we end up golfing 18 at Augusta and the 4 some ahead of us was no other than. John the Baptist, Chucky Barkley, Abe Lincoln, and 2pac. I tell you work is tough sometimes.
Quote from: mr.MUskie on May 08, 2012, 06:28:45 PM
"When it comes to the perception of junior college players, I really like to hear the criticism, because I then know who those people are and what their stance is, relative to people's lives.
Talking about LW & Fr. P?
That's all I could think as I heard the interview. Is he talking about his new bosses and/or BOT?
Buzz mentioned that DJO will graduate next week.
Let me congratulate him and welcome him to the club that is MU graduates. I look forward to seeing him at MU circles events!
Quote from: mr.MUskie on May 08, 2012, 06:28:45 PM
"When it comes to the perception of junior college players, I really like to hear the criticism, because I then know who those people are and what their stance is, relative to people's lives.
Talking about LW & Fr. P?
No. Buzz was answering a question about JUCO players, the criticism of which comes from everywhere in the gutter trash sports talk radio environment. Just look at the ACTUAL WORDS IN THE QUOTE THAT WERE UTTERED FROM HIS MOUTH. Unless you think Buzz isn't someone who is a straight shooter, or someone who means what he says. Did he even mention the admin. in the interview??
You (and others in this thread) can't have it both ways. Buzz can't be a straight shooter, yet issue SUPER CRYPTIC, passive-aggressive swipes at the administration. Again, the guy is simply responding to the criticism that most pro-Bucky yokels talk about when they call in to offer their derp-filled musings about MU basketball. There's no way I believe that Buzz is talking about the administration in that quote.
Again, you'd be the first, but feel free to dig up some quotes, on-record, verifiable sources, etc... that show "LW and Fr. P" have criticized JUCO players, or don't want Buzz to recruit them. PLEASE, PLEASE DO. Until then, I'm going to treat posts like this as the grade-A horse*** that they are.
Quote from: MarqKarp on May 08, 2012, 08:20:48 PM
That's all I could think as I heard the interview. Is he talking about his new bosses and/or BOT?
You need to think a little harder, then. No, a LOT harder. Keep trying.
Quote from: lab_warrior on May 08, 2012, 02:04:57 PM
+1
Jesus, step off the ledge already.
By all means, we should totally interpret these non-specific statements, made on sports talk radio, about JUCOs as a direct attack on Pilarz and Williams, and their DASTARDLY plan to destroy MU basketball and turn it into SLU...AGAIN. TO THE DOOM BUNKER!
I'm sure the quotes are totally not directed to the entire pro-Bucky talk radio & audience DERP-o-sphere, which constantly is running down MU's recruitment of these players. No, that couldn't POSSIBLY be the case.
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Quote from: Goose on May 08, 2012, 01:36:49 PM
It sounded to me like he was definitely getting jabs in. No doubt he has an edge to him and hopefully the jabs are meant for UW fans and not his employers. For the record I am Tark fan and JUCO fan.
Do you think that what Tark did at UNLV, Long Beach State and Fresno State was good for college basketball and playing at a level within NCAA rules? Tark seems like a honorable guy but he let some unsavory people to close to some of his kids who went in the wrong direction. I have no problem with JUCOs but that doesn't mean I want to be what UNLV became under their JUCOs under Tark. That school has taken a tremendous beating in reputation as a result.
The comments that Buzz was taking a swipe, or sending a message, with his Jucos comments are way way off base.
Those that wrote that are just plain wrong.
Quote from: lab_warrior on May 08, 2012, 09:27:31 PMYou (and others in this thread) can't have it both ways. Buzz can't be a straight shooter, yet issue SUPER CRYPTIC, passive-aggressive swipes at the administration.
Nothing to add. This just needed to be said again.
Quote from: Hoopaloop on May 08, 2012, 10:49:47 PM
Do you think that what Tark did at UNLV, Long Beach State and Fresno State was good for college basketball and playing at a level within NCAA rules? Tark seems like a honorable guy but he let some unsavory people to close to some of his kids who went in the wrong direction. I have no problem with JUCOs but that doesn't mean I want to be what UNLV became under their JUCOs under Tark. That school has taken a tremendous beating in reputation as a result.
IMO, much of the problem with the reputation of UNLV comes from the location of the school. As for Tark allowing unsavory people get near his kids, I don't think a coach can monitor a player 24/7. And, if you're going to call Tark out, you better be prepared to also call out St. John of Westwood.
Quote from: Hoopaloop on May 08, 2012, 10:49:47 PM
Do you think that what Tark did at UNLV, Long Beach State and Fresno State was good for college basketball and playing at a level within NCAA rules? Tark seems like a honorable guy but he let some unsavory people to close to some of his kids who went in the wrong direction. I have no problem with JUCOs but that doesn't mean I want to be what UNLV became under their JUCOs under Tark. That school has taken a tremendous beating in reputation as a result.
Hey Chico's,
If you listen to the interview, Buzz does say that Tark had some issues with the NCAA and was quick to point out that he hasn't had any.
I don't know if Tark's overall career was great for college hoops, but if you are able to compartmentalize him, you can see the good he accomplished... especially with guys that the whitebread coaches wouldn't touch.
I think that is probably why Buzz has some admiration for him.
Quote from: ATWizJr on May 09, 2012, 08:42:43 AM
IMO, much of the problem with the reputation of UNLV comes from the location of the school. As for Tark allowing unsavory people get near his kids, I don't think a coach can monitor a player 24/7. And, if you're going to call Tark out, you better be prepared to also call out St. John of Westwood.
Sam Gilbert was not fixing games, dealing drugs, paying professors to pass players. Let us not forget MU had their own Sam Gilbert.
Tark did some things that were beneficial to some kids needing a 3rd, 4th chance. He also went way over the line at times and completely thumbed his nose at the NCAA who oversees the rules and regs of his sport. He was caught over and over and over again.
Quote from: 2002MUalum on May 09, 2012, 09:18:24 AM
Hey Chico's,
If you listen to the interview, Buzz does say that Tark had some issues with the NCAA and was quick to point out that he hasn't had any.
I don't know if Tark's overall career was great for college hoops, but if you are able to compartmentalize him, you can see the good he accomplished... especially with guys that the whitebread coaches wouldn't touch.
I think that is probably why Buzz has some admiration for him.
Perfectly stated.
Al admired Tark, too, and despised bigots like Adolph Rupp, who was considerd untouchable by the NCAA. Al is famous for saying "When the NCAA discovered an envelope with $10,000 in it sent from UK to a recruit they were so irate they put Long Beach St (one of Tark's old schools) on 3 year probation".
Quote from: Lennys Tap on May 09, 2012, 10:27:15 PM
Perfectly stated.
Al admired Tark, too, and despised bigots like Adolph Rupp, who was considerd untouchable by the NCAA. Al is famous for saying "When the NCAA discovered an envelope with $10,000 in it sent from UK to a recruit they were so irate they put Long Beach St (one of Tark's old schools) on 3 year probation".
It does not surprise me that Al would take a liking to Tark, he is a likable person. There are many such coaches that fit that bill, but still don't do things above board. According to Father Kelly, Al took a liking to Tom Crean also. You probably just shivered in your boots. What does it all mean? Nothing in particular. Tark broke the rules consistently, often under the guise of helping kids that needed a second (or more) chance. Not surprisingly the kids he helped that needed those extra chances were really good basketball players that helped him win basketball games.