All of a sudden we have a crowded 2,3 rotation. Locket, Vander, Mayo, and Taylor will all be looking for minutes out of the gates with Ferguson and Juan trying to pick up some there as well. Lot of options, no one really stands out head and shoulders above any one else. Juan will have to beat out Steve for backup minutes at the 4 if he wants to play. Competition is good, but worries me that it's going to be difficult to keep people happy year after year. I think JJ being so overly positive was an exception to the rule.
Taylor is the one who is living in the unknown now. He probably expected to start or get close to starter minutes. Now he is probably wondering where his place is on this team.
They all be switchibles, aina? Besides, we're waitin' on Hiroshima/Chernobyl.
Quote from: dw3dw3dw3 on May 05, 2012, 09:33:24 PM
All of a sudden we have a crowded 2,3 rotation. Locket, Vander, Mayo, and Taylor will all be looking for minutes out of the gates with Ferguson and Juan trying to pick up some there as well. Lot of options, no one really stands out head and shoulders above any one else. Juan will have to beat out Steve for backup minutes at the 4 if he wants to play. Competition is good, but worries me that it's going to be difficult to keep people happy year after year. I think JJ being so overly positive was an exception to the rule.
Taylor is the one who is living in the unknown now. He probably expected to start or get close to starter minutes. Now he is probably wondering where his place is on this team.
This is the point I made a few days ago
We've got 2 players (Otule & Gardner) spltting time at the 5.
We've got 2 players (Cadougan & DWilson) splitting time at the point.
(yes, I know that on occasion, Buzz would play someone else at the point--but Cadougan and Wilson combined for almost 38 mpg, and in many games they combined for 40).
That leaves 120 mpg combind at the 2/3/4.
This morning, we could easily project that Blue, Mayo and Jamil Wilson would get 25 to 30 mpg each--slightly ahead of what they did last year--which left about 30 to 40 mpg combined for Juan Anderson, TJ Taylor, Steve Taylor, Jamal Ferguson and Jake Thomas.
Now we throw Lockett in the mix, probably getting 25 to 30 himself. That leaves about 20 minutes for everyone else.
Somebody can't be happy with the situation.
Quote from: The Equalizer on May 05, 2012, 10:17:01 PM
Somebody can't be happy with the situation.
First game is still 6+ months away. Things will be grand.
Tell me Carrie sucks in Blown Away.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on May 05, 2012, 10:24:30 PM
Tell me Carrie sucks in Blown Away.
I've never heard it, but that title suggests sucking may be the topic. She's playing the Target Center later this year. I might go just because a singing dog sounds intriguing.
Quote from: dw3dw3dw3 on May 05, 2012, 09:33:24 PM
All of a sudden we have a crowded 2,3 rotation.
Which is precisely Buzz' recruiting strategy.
Quote from: warthog-driver on May 06, 2012, 03:53:03 AM
Which is precisely Buzz' recruiting strategy.
Exactly. You want minutes? Play well in practice. Lastly, I wouldn't be so sure about the minutes you automatically assigned to Blue and Mayo. Those still have to be earned. But I do think the Top 8 are fairly well defined at this moment, specifically:
PG - Junior
SG - Lockett
SF - Blue
PF - Wilson
C - Chris
and first 3 off the bench Mayo, DG, and DWilson. #9 and #10 will be the best switchables after that. And their minutes will in part be determined by how well they play relative to the guys above them. It's not impossible that Blue's minutes could be closer to 20 rather than 30+.
Put another way, our full second team lead by Mayo and DG would be a pretty potent force by itself in the BEast.
Quote from: jsglow on May 06, 2012, 07:48:26 AM
Exactly. You want minutes? Play well in practice. Lastly, I wouldn't be so sure about the minutes you automatically assigned to Blue and Mayo. Those still have to be earned. But I do think the Top 8 are fairly well defined at this moment, specifically:
PG - Junior
SG - Lockett
SF - Blue
PF - Wilson
C - Chris
and first 3 off the bench Mayo, DG, and DWilson. #9 and #10 will be the best switchables after that. And their minutes will in part be determined by how well they play relative to the guys above them. It's not impossible that Blue's minutes could be closer to 20 rather than 30+.
Put another way, our full second team lead by Mayo and DG would be a pretty potent force by itself in the BEast.
I think TJ Taylor gets more minutes than D Wilson. Not saying he won't play, but Lockett, Taylor and Blue can run the point while Junior sits. We didn't have that many options last year because DJO couldn't run the point.
Maybe true Sultan, especially when one considers how limited DW is on offense. He could be a 5 minute guy this year with JC getting 30 and Blue/TJ getting 5.
I actually think that the #1 is an area where Vander needs to excel if he wants to make it to the NBA so we might see a big effort there.
Quote from: The Equalizer on May 05, 2012, 10:17:01 PM
This morning, we could easily project that Blue, Mayo and Jamil Wilson would get 25 to 30 mpg each--slightly ahead of what they did last year--which left about 30 to 40 mpg combined for Juan Anderson, TJ Taylor, Steve Taylor, Jamal Ferguson and Jake Thomas.
Now we throw Lockett in the mix, probably getting 25 to 30 himself. That leaves about 20 minutes for everyone else.
Somebody can't be happy with the situation.
Yeah. Our opponents.
I'm sure Buzz will have this all figured out. In Buzz we trust.
Its called competition, if you do not like it, you transfer, now a days that is normal. If you want playing time, work hard for the next 6 months. Practice will be tough.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on May 06, 2012, 08:51:35 AM
Yeah. Our opponents.
Exactly. Keep throwing waves of offense at em. I don't think we want a repeat of last year when there would be times when there were very limited offensive options on the court.
Quote from: Stronghold on May 06, 2012, 09:24:18 AM
I'm sure Buzz will have this all figured out. In Buzz we trust.
+100000000
I think it'll be great when the best team our starting 5 plays in a given week are their teammates down in the Al. Practice is going to be intense.
One other note is that guys will be able to give 100% every second they are on the floor. Winded? Next man in.
Quote from: The Equalizer on May 05, 2012, 10:17:01 PM
This is the point I made a few days ago
We've got 2 players (Otule & Gardner) spltting time at the 5.
We've got 2 players (Cadougan & DWilson) splitting time at the point.
(yes, I know that on occasion, Buzz would play someone else at the point--but Cadougan and Wilson combined for almost 38 mpg, and in many games they combined for 40).
That leaves 120 mpg combind at the 2/3/4.
This morning, we could easily project that Blue, Mayo and Jamil Wilson would get 25 to 30 mpg each--slightly ahead of what they did last year--which left about 30 to 40 mpg combined for Juan Anderson, TJ Taylor, Steve Taylor, Jamal Ferguson and Jake Thomas.
Now we throw Lockett in the mix, probably getting 25 to 30 himself. That leaves about 20 minutes for everyone else.
Somebody can't be happy with the situation.
Why do you bring up Jake Thomas? He is not going to play unless there is a blowout.
Why do you assume that Otule and Gardner get all 40 mpg at the 5 spot? Jamil Wilson will take some minutes at the 5 be it matchups, strategy or foul troubles.
Unless Juan takes a big leap forward, why should he get more than 5-6 minutes a game? The kid is talented by raw.
Jamal Ferguson will get very limited minutes. Why do we automatically put freshmen on a pedestal and expect them to get big minutes? It takes time to adjust. Same with Steve Taylor.
Injuries. They always happen every year.
Quote from: jsglow on May 06, 2012, 07:48:26 AM
Exactly. You want minutes? Play well in practice. Lastly, I wouldn't be so sure about the minutes you automatically assigned to Blue and Mayo. Those still have to be earned. But I do think the Top 8 are fairly well defined at this moment, specifically:
PG - Junior
SG - Lockett
SF - Blue
PF - Wilson
C - Chris
and first 3 off the bench Mayo, DG, and DWilson. #9 and #10 will be the best switchables after that. And their minutes will in part be determined by how well they play relative to the guys above them. It's not impossible that Blue's minutes could be closer to 20 rather than 30+.
Put another way, our full second team lead by Mayo and DG would be a pretty potent force by itself in the BEast.
Everyone assumes that because he's 6'4" Lockett played SG, or maybe it's wishful thinking that he played SG just because it was DJO who graduated, but Lockett played SF at ASU. And he lead the team in rebounding for the last two years as well. Mayo is the better defender and scorer, so why not Mayo starting and Blue backing up at the two and three?
Great problem to have.
Quote from: LittleMurs on May 06, 2012, 10:12:33 AM
Everyone assumes that because he's 6'4" Lockett played SG, or maybe it's wishful thinking that he played SG just because it was DJO who graduated, but Lockett played SF at ASU. And he lead the team in rebounding for the last two years as well. Mayo is the better defender and scorer, so why not Mayo starting and Blue backing up at the two and three?
This is exactly what I've been thinking. I would assume Lockett will be playing the 3 for the most part and not the 2. However I think Blue starts in front of Mayo at the 2.
I don't think Ferguson will see much playing time.
I see TJ Taylor passing D. Wilson up for the back up pg duties. He is supposed to be very good. If D. Wilson can tune his offensive game this could be reversed. He does have potential since he never really tried to be offensive last year.
Also see Juan ahead of Steve Taylor on the depth chart. I know he has skills and a good body, but he is a freshman. I expect Juan to make a huge improvement this summer and is a player to watch out for next season.
I think Thomas will come in for special opportunities if we need a 3. Also will play more against a team with a zone D.
I believe we will save the last schollie for next year, most likely give it to Jake.
11 man rotation if the predictions below are correct. A lot can happen between now and the first game. What are your guys thoughts?
PG-Junior/T.J. Taylor/D. Wilson
SG-Blue/Mayo/T.J. Taylor
SF-Lockett/Anderson/
PF-Wilson/Anderson/S. Taylor
C-Otule/Gardner
Limited minutes- Ferguson, Thomas.
Blue is not a SG. He is an attacking wing.
Quote from: mufanatic on May 06, 2012, 09:57:13 AM
Why do you bring up Jake Thomas? He is not going to play unless there is a blowout.
That's far from the consensus opinion. You might feel that way, but search back on this board and you'll find plenty of comments that suggest that he's going to play a more significant role beacuse of his shooting ability.
I don't know what he's going to play, but I'm not going to be so quick to write him off, either.
Quote from: mufanatic on May 06, 2012, 09:57:13 AM
Why do you assume that Otule and Gardner get all 40 mpg at the 5 spot? Jamil Wilson will take some minutes at the 5 be it matchups, strategy or foul troubles.
Because that seems to be Buzz's pattern--in four of the seven games last year, they combined for all the minutes.
Mount St. Marys: Combined for 40 minutes
Norfolk State: 25 minutes
Winthrop: 33 minutes
Ole Miss: 40 minutes
Norfolk State: 40 minutes
Jacksonville: 21 minutes
Wisconsin: 39 minutes
I think that shows that unless there's a blowout, or foul trouble, the Buzz's pattern seems to be to play Otule & Gardner for a combined 40 mpg.
I suspect both players will improve their ablity to defend without fouling, so there will be fewer foul-trouble minutes. Maybe there will be more garbage minutes in blowouts, but I think evidence suggests that the normal rotation witll be to give Otule + Gardner 40 mpg combined.
Quote from: mufanatic on May 06, 2012, 09:57:13 AM
Unless Juan takes a big leap forward, why should he get more than 5-6 minutes a game? The kid is talented by raw.
The problem is that even with a leap forward, there won't be minutes avaialble.
Quote from: mufanatic on May 06, 2012, 09:57:13 AM
Jamal Ferguson will get very limited minutes. Why do we automatically put freshmen on a pedestal and expect them to get big minutes? It takes time to adjust. Same with Steve Taylor.
Nobody's putting them on a pedistal. However, if a frosh doesnt' contribute 10 to 15 mpg, they probalby won't contribute later in their career.
Here's a list of the 4-year players at Marquette since 2000--almost all of them had decent mpg as freshmen.
7 MPG seems to be the cutoff--only one player (Dwight Burke) averaged fewer than 7 mpg as a frosh and wound up averaging double digits as a senior.
1. 2001 Terry Sanders: 7.4 mpg as a frosh, 22.6 mpg as a senior
2. 2001 Scott Merrit: 18.1 mpg, 28 mpg as a senior
3, 2002 Travis Diener: 23.7 mpg, 34.0 mpg as a senior
4. 2002 Todd Townsend 7.7 mpg, 22.8 mpg as a senior
5. 2003 Chris Grimm 5.1 as a frosh, 7.8 as a senior
6. 2003 Steve Novak: 15.5 mpg 33.8 mpg as a senior
7. 2003 Joe Chapman: 9.6 mpg, 22.5 mpg as a senior
8. 2004 Dan Fitzgerald 14.8 mpg (Tulane), 14.3 as a senior
9. 2005 Ousmane Barro: 10.0 mpg, 19.8 mpg as a senior
10. 2006 Jerel McNeal: 27.5 mpg as a frosh, 35.0 as a senior
11. 2006 Wes Matthews: 24.9 mpg as a frosh, 34.0 as a senior
12. 2006 Dominc James: 32.5 mpg as a frosh, 31.4 as a senior
13. 2006 Maucie Acker 31.7 mpg as a frosh (Ball St), 29.2 as a senior
14. 2006 Dwight Burke 5.3 as a frosh, 19.3 as a senior
15. 2007 Lazar Hayward: 16.3 mpg as a frosh, 32. 3 as a senior
16. 2007 David Cubillan: 21.2 mpg as a frosh, 31.5 mpg as a senior
(Current players)
17. 2009 Jamil Wilson 19.6 pg (Oregon)
18. 2010 Vander Blue 19.0 mpg as a frosh
19. 2010 Davante Gardner: 9.0 mpg
20. 2011 Todd Mayo: 21.1 mpg as a frosh
21. 2011 Juan Anderson: 4.6 mpg as a frosh
I didn't included players injured as freshmen (Otule, Cadougan). I've also excluded any outbound transfers.
Most of the players who didn't get ~10 mpg or more as freshmen wound up leaving the program: Menard, Howard, Berkowitz, Christian, Hazel, Jones, Mbao, Bell, Jones.
We had a few transfers-out who did get 10+ mpg (Maymon, Amoroso, Mason, Blankson), and by and large they did well at their new schools
So I believe we have a 12-year track record that suggest that freshmen performance is a strong indicator of how they'll perform down the road. If Steve Taylor, TJ Taylor or Jamal Ferguson don't get 10+ mpg, history suggests they're more likely to leave the program that eventually become sigificant contributors.
Quote from: mufanatic on May 06, 2012, 09:57:13 AM
Injuries. They always happen every year.
Yes, they do. Of course that's what makes Durley's departure most confusing. He's back up two injury-prone players.
I love how folks have allocated minutes based on absolutely nothin'. Never seen the cats play or even know who's on the team next fall. Comes under the heading of speaking out of one a-hole.
Sorry, but I don't know how to change the topic, but why isn't Jimmy B. playing in the Bulls-76'rs series?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on May 06, 2012, 02:08:55 PM
I love how folks have allocated minutes based on absolutely nothin'. Never seen the cats play or even know who's on the team next fall. Comes under the heading of speaking out of one a-hole.
This is a message board, guy. That's what most people do on message boards in the offseason. Ya know, speculate.
Speaking out of one a-hole is exclusively trying to think of stupid one liners that cut down other posters.
Mayo is not a better defender than Vander