Adam Zagoria @AdamZagoria
Former Wisconsin F @Mr_Uthoff told @SNYtv he may visit Marquette & Florida. Also considering Creighton & Iowa State
Badger fans would be pissed!
Quote from: THEultimateWARRIOR on May 04, 2012, 05:20:44 PM
Badger fans would be pissed!
Yea, that would be pretty awesome.
I would love to have him here. Nice end to a quiet week.
The irony is too much to pass up. If Bo didn't have his hissy fit and just kept the restricted list at B1G schools and MU in the first place nobody would have said a thing.
I can appreciate the opportunity to stick it to Bo, but is this guy any good? Has anyone seen him play?
He is quite traditional in his game and really better suited for UW Madison than MU.
Quote from: warthog-driver on May 04, 2012, 06:04:10 PM
He is quite traditional in his game and really better suited for UW Madison than MU.
Not once Pilarz and the domer are done with our program...
Quote from: Groin_pull on May 04, 2012, 05:52:54 PM
I can appreciate the opportunity to stick it to Bo, but is this guy any good? Has anyone seen him play?
He is skilled. You can probably still find his highlight film somewhere. If you do, watch it back-to-back with Juan's, contemplate how much faster Juan was as a HS senior, and then remember how much Juan struggled as a freshman. But, since JU would be nearly 3 years removed from that tape by the time he would play an actual game at MU, perhaps he will have sped up.
Quote from: tower912 on May 04, 2012, 07:07:47 PM
He is skilled. You can probably still find his highlight film somewhere. If you do, watch it back-to-back with Juan's, contemplate how much faster Juan was as a HS senior, and then remember how much Juan struggled as a freshman. But, since JU would be nearly 3 years removed from that tape by the time he would play an actual game at MU, perhaps he will have sped up.
As I said, perhaps he is better suited for Bo's schemes
Quote from: warthog-driver on May 04, 2012, 06:04:10 PM
He is quite traditional in his game and really better suited for UW Madison than MU.
One might have said the same thing about Novak, but he turned out OK at Marquette. And a player just like him would still be OK in Buzz's system.
The whole "traditional" thing -- as portrayed repeatedly by many on this board -- is dopey. I guess Larry Bird would have been too traditional, too.
Quote from: Groin_pull on May 04, 2012, 05:52:54 PM
I can appreciate the opportunity to stick it to Bo, but is this guy any good? Has anyone seen him play?
4 out of 5 stars from ESPN
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/102075/jarrod-uthoff
Offered by Indiana, Iowa, Iowa State, Illinois, Wisconsin, Butler, Northwestern, Northern Iowa
Quote from: MU82 on May 04, 2012, 11:19:14 PMThe whole "traditional" thing -- as portrayed repeatedly by many on this board -- is dopey. I guess Larry Bird would have been too traditional, too.
The concept of "Traditional Player" was introduced on this board a while ago by Chicos Bail Bonds. It is used mockingly by others who are taking the piss out of The Bail Bondsman (except Hoop who is in fact Chicos in disguise.)
Quote from: warthog-driver on May 04, 2012, 06:04:10 PM
He is quite traditional in his game and really better suited for UW Madison than MU.
I generally do not pay attention to poster names. However, your name seems to be on a lot of posts I could do without.
Quote from: warthog-driver on May 04, 2012, 07:40:16 PM
As I said, perhaps he is better suited for Bo's schemes
Seems odd, since he did not want to play Bo's style. How, do you know? Have you actually seen him play?
Quote from: bilsu on May 05, 2012, 06:58:08 AM
Seems odd, since he did not want to play Bo's style. How, do you know? Have you actually seen him play?
I've seen him play in person a bunch (AAU mostly, a little high school). I think Bo's plans for him may have changed a bit over the first year (and the roster has changed).
Really, I thought Uthoff was a great fit for Wisconsin and would do really well there. A couple of his Iowa Barnstormer teammates did very well as freshman -- Seth Tuttle at Northern Iowa and Josh Oglesby at Iowa (Wes Washpun at Tenn was a stretch).
He's fairly long and bouncy for a traditional and is a tall kid that can score from multiple levels. Also would mix it up fairly well on the glass despite being a slim... not sure his best fit is MU, but I'd bring him in just for the giggle effect... plus, he's actually a pretty good player.
I'm guessing, in the end, Buzz has too much respect for Ryan to take on this transfer.
Quote from: bilsu on May 05, 2012, 06:56:45 AM
I generally do not pay attention to poster names. However, your name seems to be on a lot of posts I could do without.
I could care less what you think. You're the guy who calls Buzz an arsehole. Go eff yourself.
I'd love to have him. Anything resembling Novak's shooting coupled with height is great. His frame makes me think he'd be more able to adapt to MU's style than Gardner, and yet we play great (albeit differently) when DG is in.
Too much respect for Ryan? Screw that. If Uthoff doesn't fit with MU...fine, pass on him. But don't do it because of Bo Ryan. That should be the least of MU's concerns. MU needs to worry about MU....not about that vampire in Madison.
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on May 05, 2012, 09:58:48 AM
I'm guessing, in the end, Buzz has too much respect for Ryan to take on this transfer.
we already pulled vander out from under his nose, and wes has talked a bit as well. i'm not thinking buzz cares what bo thinks...it's whether or not the kids a good fit for mu and wants to be here.
That's how it should be. If he can help MU, go after him. If not, take a pass. Bo Ryan should not enter into the equation at all.
Quote from: avid1010 on May 06, 2012, 05:50:47 PM
we already pulled vander out from under his nose, and wes has talked a bit as well. i'm not thinking buzz cares what bo thinks...it's whether or not the kids a good fit for mu and wants to be here.
Not a good visual for Vander!
Quote from: avid1010 on May 06, 2012, 05:50:47 PM
we already pulled vander out from under his nose, and wes has talked a bit as well. i'm not thinking buzz cares what bo thinks...it's whether or not the kids a good fit for mu and wants to be here.
I think Buzz does care what Bo thinks. That doesn't mean that he won't go head to head with him in recruiting battles, and I am not sure if he wouldn't take the transfer, but Buzz most certainly respects Bo.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on May 06, 2012, 06:29:26 PM
I think Buzz does care what Bo thinks. That doesn't mean that he won't go head to head with him in recruiting battles, and I am not sure if he wouldn't take the transfer, but Buzz most certainly respects Bo.
I agree. Number one, Buzz is old school about respecting his elders. In addition, it seems they have built something of a relationship over the past 5 years.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on May 06, 2012, 07:14:16 PM
I agree. Number one, Buzz is old school about respecting his elders. In addition, it seems they have built somethinsg of a relationship over the past 5 years.
If that stops us from sticking it to Bucky than I will be pissed.
How great will it be hearing all the Boo's when Vander and Uthoff come off the bus at the Kohl Hole and both score 20
Vander IMO has already exceeded my expectations for sticking it to the Badger fans at Kohl with his performance last December.
IMO, it is real simple. If Buzz wants Uthoff, than I want him. I like getting another wing. I like his size. I love the fact that he can shoot.
But I have never seen him play so I have no idea how well he "fits."
He'd be in street clothes next year, correct?
Quote from: jsglow on May 06, 2012, 09:06:52 PM
He'd be in street clothes next year, correct?
Yep. Well -- maybe not street clothes, but traditional clothes. Not suited up for game play.
Yes. He would have to sit a year and would have three years remaining.
I personally think that a great way to use a final scholarship almost every year. No complaints about playing time while the young man contributes back at the Al AND improves his own game. I'm confident JWil got better as a player his first year here at MU.
Well, looks like he is visiting...
http://iowaprepsports.com/2012/05/06/uthoff-says-visit-to-marquette-is-up-next/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
I'd be cool with Uthoff. Wonder how he'd fit into our culture. I'd be happy to see him have a good game vs. Bo and his boys though.
Quote from: warthog-driver on May 05, 2012, 01:05:57 AM
The concept of "Traditional Player" was introduced on this board a while ago by Chicos Bail Bonds. It is used mockingly by others who are taking the piss out of The Bail Bondsman (except Hoop who is in fact Chicos in disguise.)
Fair enough. I haven't been here long enough to know a thing about Chicos except for the constant references to him.
As soon as I see one of those references, I go to another post, because I could give a flyin' flip about the infighting and personal attacks on this site.
Not saying to stop them, because we all have the freedom to say what we want ... and the freedom to read (or not read) what we want.
Anyone else find it ironic that the kid is visiting Iowa State, Marquette, and Florida - all of whom were on the "banned" list outside of the Big 10 schools. Wouldn't surprise me if part of his visiting MU and Florida are in part to spite Bo. No doubt tho, that a visit to MU alone, would add some venom to a good rivalry already...and it would absolutely be gas on the fire if he chose to come to MU...
Quote from: Ners on May 06, 2012, 10:48:11 PM
Anyone else find it ironic that the kid is visiting Iowa State, Marquette, and Florida - all of whom were on the "banned" list outside of the Big 10 schools.
Nah... not ironic. It might just go to show that Bo knew exactly what he was doing initially.
Quote from: Jay Bee on May 06, 2012, 09:08:50 PM
Yep. Well -- maybe not street clothes, but traditional clothes. Not suited up for game play.
Well played.
Quote from: Jay Bee on May 06, 2012, 11:03:22 PM
Nah... not ironic. It might just go to show that Bo knew exactly what he was doing initially.
That's the thought that occurred to me, as well. For all his claims about being in the dark and just banning schools to get Uthoff to talk to him, Bo sure seemed to have some inside knowledge about where Uthoff's head was at.
Quote from: Jay Bee on May 06, 2012, 09:08:50 PM
Yep. Well -- maybe not street clothes, but traditional clothes. Not suited up for game play.
Clever
Quote from: LittleMurs on May 06, 2012, 11:51:33 PM
That's the thought that occurred to me, as well. For all his claims about being in the dark and just banning schools to get Uthoff to talk to him, Bo sure seemed to have some inside knowledge about where Uthoff's head was at.
No way...he couldn't have known because he didn't talk to Uthoff, and the only way to get a kid to talk is to ban every school he's interested in to force him to sit down and talk to you.
Quote from: brewcity77 on May 07, 2012, 06:35:45 AM
No way...he couldn't have known because he didn't talk to Uthoff, and the only way to get a kid to talk is to ban every school he's interested in to force him to sit down and talk to you.
As long as your not on vacation.
Quote from: LittleMurs on May 06, 2012, 11:51:33 PM
That's the thought that occurred to me, as well. For all his claims about being in the dark and just banning schools to get Uthoff to talk to him, Bo sure seemed to have some inside knowledge about where Uthoff's head was at.
Yeah, I doubt a 19 year old is going to visit places just to spite his former coach.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on May 07, 2012, 08:02:31 AM
Yeah, I doubt a 19 year old is going to visit places just to spite his former coach.
I would visit Florida to spite my coach! ;)
Uthoff plans to visit Marquette this week:
http://iowaprepsports.com/2012/05/06/uthoff-says-visit-to-marquette-is-up-next/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
I imagine if that's the case, we're at least expressing interest. Can't see him making plans to head to Milwaukee if he hadn't at least had some contact with Buzz about the possibility of him having a chance to fit in here. I do like reading that the reason he left Wisconsin is he didn't like the offense.
Quote from: brewcity77 on May 07, 2012, 08:43:58 AM
Uthoff plans to visit Marquette this week:
http://iowaprepsports.com/2012/05/06/uthoff-says-visit-to-marquette-is-up-next/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
I imagine if that's the case, we're at least expressing interest. Can't see him making plans to head to Milwaukee if he hadn't at least had some contact with Buzz about the possibility of him having a chance to fit in here. I do like reading that the reason he left Wisconsin is he didn't like the offense.
Of course, that then opens the question of how much did he ignore that fact during his initial recruitment. Not like Ryan has changed a thing in the last 25 years of his offense.
We'll see what happens on Uthoff, but Buzz' relationship with Ryan will play a part in the end.
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on May 07, 2012, 08:58:59 AM
Of course, that then opens the question of how much did he ignore that fact during his initial recruitment. Not like Ryan has changed a thing in the last 25 years of his offense.
We'll see what happens on Uthoff, but Buzz' relationship with Ryan will play a part in the end.
Yeah, but I'm not sure a recruit gets a good sense of those things. And I'm sure that is just one of the reasons he is leaving.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on May 07, 2012, 09:00:50 AM
Yeah, but I'm not sure a recruit gets a good sense of those things. And I'm sure that is just one of the reasons he is leaving.
You don't think a recruit gets a good sense of the offense he'll be playing in?
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on May 07, 2012, 09:02:21 AM
You don't think a recruit gets a good sense of the offense he'll be playing in?
I don't think they get a good sense of how restrictive an offense can be.
He might be saying that because it's an easy answer that nobody will question.
He might hate Madison, hate Bo, hate a teammate, etc. But that's a lot harder to say that.
Easy to say: I'm not so sure I'm a good fit on offense.
Everybody nods in agreement.
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on May 07, 2012, 09:02:21 AM
You don't think a recruit gets a good sense of the offense he'll be playing in?
We also don't know what role he was forecast in by Bo. Uthoff may have been hoping to play a Leuer-type role, where he would be a primary offensive option and Bo may have been grooming him for a Kaminsky-type role. Just because you've seen the basic scheme doesn't mean you know what the coach will do with you once you arrive.
Maybe he saw the caliber of players around him and was terrified. Bo will play more up tempo if he has the guys, but he doesn't...and you don't know that as a junior in high school. Bo has a cute little program over in Madison.
Quote from: brewcity77 on May 07, 2012, 09:21:53 AM
We also don't know what role he was forecast in by Bo. Uthoff may have been hoping to play a Leuer-type role, where he would be a primary offensive option and Bo may have been grooming him for a Kaminsky-type role. Just because you've seen the basic scheme doesn't mean you know what the coach will do with you once you arrive.
Agree. Look what Bo did to Brian Butch. Beautiful o/side shot, tall, novakesque. Redshirts him, bulks him up, forces him to crash and bang. I understand that's what he needed, but Butch could be riding NBA pines somewhere as a 3/4, not learning a foreign language now.
I guess the recruit assumes a coach will take advantage of his skills..., not just his height. After the realization maybe the rest of the gig doesn't look so great either.
It's simple. Bo has and always will play to his system. It will not change. If you don't see yourself fitting in it, you need to leave. Bo is bigger than the program.
While on the other hand Buzz will play to the strengths of his players, not any system. Buzz does not make his system bigger than the success of the program or his recruits.
Buzz's system also isn't the name of local AAU program either.
Quote from: PTM on May 07, 2012, 10:35:41 AM
It's simple. Bo has and always will play to his system. It will not change. If you don't see yourself fitting in it, you need to leave. Bo is bigger than the program.
While on the other hand Buzz will play to the strengths of his players, not any system. Buzz does not make his system bigger than the success of the program or his recruits.
Buzz's system also isn't the name of local AAU program either.
Buzz plays his system and recruits to it as well.
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on May 07, 2012, 10:45:32 AM
Buzz plays his system and recruits to it as well.
As does Bo. Say what you want about Brian Butch, but I doubt he has any regrets, and the year he dislocated his elbow were a legit national title contender.
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on May 07, 2012, 10:45:32 AM
Buzz plays his system and recruits to it as well.
Granted, but Buzz's system is much more adaptable to its players' strengths than Ryan's. That's the whole point of having "switchables."
I have to admit, I am very much hoping he and MU find a fit. That is exactly the kick in the teeth Bo Ryan deserves after the way he handled this thing.
Quote from: brewcity77 on May 07, 2012, 09:21:53 AM
We also don't know what role he was forecast in by Bo. Uthoff may have been hoping to play a Leuer-type role, where he would be a primary offensive option and Bo may have been grooming him for a Kaminsky-type role. Just because you've seen the basic scheme doesn't mean you know what the coach will do with you once you arrive.
This would make much more sense if Uthoff played this season.
Every recruit enters thinking they will be something special. Reality often sets in to determine your role but that's why you spend time during your recruitment looking into these possibilities.
And when an offense is structured the way the Swing is, the evidence on big man development leans very heavily toward one style of player than, say, a Jon Leuer.
Anyone else sick of hearing about someone "taking their talents" somewhere? Mr. Iowa sportswriter, the horse is dead already.
Can we just tell this kid to look elsewhere. He doesn't give us anything we don't already have in Juan and we are in play on bigger fish for 2013. The only value is seeing Bucky pissed off.
Quote from: AWegrzyn17 on May 07, 2012, 12:55:42 PM
Can we just tell this kid to look elsewhere. He doesn't give us anything we don't already have in Juan and we are in play on bigger fish for 2013. The only value is seeing Bucky pissed off.
No we can't. Only Buzz can, and evidently, Buzz is interested.
Quote from: augoman on May 07, 2012, 10:25:31 AM
Agree. Look what Bo did to Brian Butch. Beautiful o/side shot, tall, novakesque. Redshirts him, bulks him up, forces him to crash and bang. I understand that's what he needed, but Butch could be riding NBA pines somewhere as a 3/4, not learning a foreign language now.
I guess the recruit assumes a coach will take advantage of his skills..., not just his height. After the realization maybe the rest of the gig doesn't look so great either.
Isn't Butch on the Celtics right now?
Quote from: Texas Warrior on May 07, 2012, 01:21:57 PM
Isn't Butch on the Celtics right now?
Nah. Greg Stiemsma is.
Utoff was obviously a player that Bo wanted to keep. He was Mr. Basketball in Iowa. He is supposed to be skilled and able to shoot. He is a player. Does he fit MU's uptempo style? I don't know but that is for Buzz to decide.
Also, it sounds like Utoff didn't like the slow down offense that UW plays, hence the transfer. So, maybe he can run or maybe not. Let's let Buzz decide. I for one am intrigued, as we can use a skilled player/shooter in the mix at 6/8".
On an aside, Bo has done a good job of getting certain players to redshirt, which means they normally won't transfer due to loosing a year of eligibility. Obviously, it didn't work in this case, but whomever gets Utoff will have him for three season (4 on scholarship) for better or worse.
One wonders what Utoff was thinking during the UW/MU game last season... and what he was thinking when he was on the scout team on offense, tyring to mimic non swing teams...
Quote from: GOO on May 07, 2012, 01:49:34 PM
Utoff was obviously a player that Bo wanted to keep. He was Mr. Basketball in Iowa. He is supposed to be skilled and able to shoot. He is a player. Does he fit MU's uptempo style? I don't know but that is for Buzz to decide.
Also, it sounds like Utoff didn't like the slow down offense that UW plays, hence the transfer. So, maybe he can run or maybe not. Let's let Buzz decide. I for one am intrigued, as we can use a skilled player/shooter in the mix at 6/8".
On an aside, Bo has done a good job of getting certain players to redshirt, which means they normally won't transfer due to loosing a year of eligibility. Obviously, it didn't work in this case, but whomever gets Utoff will have him for three season (4 on scholarship) for better or worse.
One wonders what Utoff was thinking during the UW/MU game last season... and what he was thinking when he was on the scout team on offense, tyring to mimic non swing teams...
Bo didn't change his offensive approach last year from every other year he has coached. So, I highly doubt that Uthoff transferred based upon 'slow down offense' that for some reason he apparently had NO idea that UW played. Did he think UW was run and gun and shocked to learn that wasn't the case?
Quote from: We R Final Four on May 07, 2012, 02:29:01 PM
Bo didn't change his offensive approach last year from every other year he has coached. So, I highly doubt that Uthoff transferred based upon 'slow down offense' that for some reason he apparently had NO idea that UW played. Did he think UW was run and gun and shocked to learn that wasn't the case?
As mentioned before, some players thrive in Bo's system, some don't. Look at Butch and Leuer. Both big, both highly rated coming in. Butch was molded into a low-post player, strictly a physical presence. Leuer was encouraged to shoot, stay outside, and be a constant scoring threat. Maybe Uthoff came in hoping to be the next Leuer, but in practice and in meetings he was told he was being groomed to be the next Butch.
Style, approach, tactics, none of that changes, but a player expecting to fit into the system one way and discovering the expectation is for him to fit in in another way might lead to a kid wanting to transfer.
Agree Brew-wouldn't agree that the reason for the transfer to be UW's 'slow down offense' as suggested.
Quote from: We R Final Four on May 07, 2012, 02:29:01 PM
Bo didn't change his offensive approach last year from every other year he has coached. So, I highly doubt that Uthoff transferred based upon 'slow down offense' that for some reason he apparently had NO idea that UW played. Did he think UW was run and gun and shocked to learn that wasn't the case?
Well, I don't know, but once in the system and seeing it up close, he didn't like UW's style, of course. From what I've read, he wants to play more uptempo and didn't like the style at UW. I'm just putting two and two together. He MAY have liked what he saw when he was in highschool, but decided it wasn't for him once he was in the system. You assume that if he commited to UW knowing the tempo, that tempo therefore is not a reason to later transfer. Faulty logic. I agree that he knew the tempo when he commited, but things change.
Or not liking his role in the offense was a politically correct/easy answer and he hasn't shared the real reason. Either way, no matter his reasoning, it sounds like he's a very good player. Up until his transfer, Badger fans were excited about him in the future. I don't know much about his style of play, but he sounds like a good player and if he and Buzz see a fit, I'd be excited to have him.
Quote from: Texas Warrior on May 07, 2012, 01:21:57 PM
Isn't Butch on the Celtics right now?
Butch is with the Bakersfield Jam of the NBDL. I wonder how this 5-Star hamburger boy feels about his decision to learn at the feet of Master Bo now that he is slaving away in anonymity? Hell, he would have been better off at Murray State than Wisconsin.
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on May 05, 2012, 09:58:48 AM
I'm guessing, in the end, Buzz has too much respect for Ryan to take on this transfer.
No effing way does that figure in any decision - either way.
Just saw Uthoff visiting Marquette and Florida made the bottom line and included how Bo restricted schools. Gave me a little unexpected chuckle.
Quote from: cheebs09 on May 08, 2012, 10:25:02 PM
Just saw Uthoff visiting Marquette and Florida made the bottom line and included how Bo restricted schools. Gave me a little unexpected chuckle.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/7906831/report-former-wisconsin-badger-jarrod-uthoff-visit-marquette-golden-eagles
Not convinced this kid is the best use of a scholarship, especially since he has to sit out a year. Not quick enough to fit Buzz' def of a switchable, doesn't have a Novak type touch, and too slow/quick for the offense we have been running.
There's a new insider article on him. Anyone wanna share?
http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/features/rumors?&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fncb%2ffeatures%2frumors
No new information in it. Just confirming that he is visiting this week, and that ISU has mutual interest as well.
Quote from: jhags15 on May 10, 2012, 02:13:00 PM
There's a new insider article on him. Anyone wanna share?
http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/features/rumors?&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fncb%2ffeatures%2frumors
Nothing new really
QuoteThis is pretty much exactly what Bo Ryan didn't want to happen. Jarrod Uthoff is set to visit Marquette this week as a possible landing spot to complete his transfer out of Madison.
Uthoff, of course, is the redshirt freshman who Ryan had initially restricted from moving to 26 schools -- including the Golden Eagles. The Wisconsin coach ultimately relented under growing media scrutiny, blocking the youngster only from joining any Big Ten programs. A move to Marquette, however, is now an option. And one that would clearly intensify the in-state rivalry that much more.
Buzz Williams' program isn't the only possibility here though. According to the Cedar Rapids Gazette, the former ESPNU 100 recruit (class of 2011) has already visited Creighton and Iowa State. Florida appears to be in the running as well.
- Luke Lapinski
Quote from: TribalRage on May 10, 2012, 01:26:22 PM
Not convinced this kid is the best use of a scholarship, especially since he has to sit out a year. Not quick enough to fit Buzz' def of a switchable, doesn't have a Novak type touch, and too slow/quick for the offense we have been running.
How many times have you seen him play?