We have been in a lot of big recruits over the years and left at alter more than I like. I think losing Mark Aquire was biggest one lost. Changed our history for next25years.
Iman Shumpert
Myron Shuckman
Goose, you're going to have to give a time frame. Agguire, McCray, Wolf, back in the day. Recently, JuJuan Johnson....Dieng.....TTaylor....Schumpert.....
JuJuan or Dieng would have made this team greaaaat.
I'm going with Wolf. Ripped the heart out of the team that didn't recover for many years.
Tower
All good picks for different reason. My memory takes me back to '70 as being a fan and think that all lost guys are a unique story. To me Aquire because it changed our history more than any other with exception of Wolf IMO. But other lost guys hurts well. Losing Scooter McRay was big for a lot of reason, cost us his brother and Milt Wagner.
Sam Bowie, Scooter McCray (would have brought his brother the next year), Joe Wolf and Donald Royal. All those hurt.
Quote from: PTM on April 22, 2012, 08:20:44 PM
JuJuan or Dieng would have made this team greaaaat.
Every time I watched JuJuan play during his last couple of years, I kept picturing him doing that at MU and realizing what a difference a competent big would have made for the amigos. Travesty.
Recently, Kris Dunn, Tarik Black and Gabe York.
Good call on Tarik Black. He could have been a difference maker at MU.
Quote from: strotty on April 22, 2012, 08:35:01 PM
Recently, Kris Dunn, Tarik Black and Gabe York.
Alando Tucker - if that is still considered recent.
I would add Wally Szcerbiak, though that was not by his choice.
Quote from: jsglow on April 22, 2012, 08:22:54 PM
I'm going with Wolf. Ripped the heart out of the team that didn't recover for many years.
This. For sure from immediate post-Al era.
He might not be the best player to choose not to come to MU, but Shumpert's decision might be the most significant (I would say it was for the better) if it was truly the motivation behind Crean's decision to leave.
Quote from: MUMac on April 22, 2012, 08:37:02 PM
Alando Tucker - if that is still considered recent.
I would add Wally Szcerbiak, though that was not by his choice.
I never heard that Szcerbiak was interested in MU. Storytime. What happened?
Shumpert was tough. Really liked him then and like him more now. Thought we were going to land him.
Really so many and the list keeps growin'. Aguirre and Wolf are the immediate top two. How 'bout Darrell Griffith, Sam Bowie, Ernie Grunfeld, Calvin Rayford, or Bill Hanzlick.
Adrian Dantley
Griffith hurt and I really wanted Cal Rayford big time.
Quote from: PTM on April 22, 2012, 08:17:39 PM
Iman Shumpert
the straw that broke the tanning machine.
Here's one for Majerus' memory bank---Rick Olson
Quote from: ZiggysFryB'oy on April 22, 2012, 09:00:09 PM
the straw that broke the tanning machine.
No wonder the the recruitin' budget was overdrawn. Them limos ain't cheap
Jon Scheyer
John Shurna
JP Tokoto
Joe Chernelich
Kurt Nimphius
Jimmy Smith
Quote from: 4everwarriors on April 22, 2012, 09:08:24 PM
Jon Scheyer
John Shurna
JP Tokoto
Tokoto hurt, but I'm not sure he ever got away from us.
David Rivers
Albert King
Billy Taylor
Lew Alcindor
Michael Jordan
LeBron James
Magic Johnson
Larry Bird
Quote from: strotty on April 22, 2012, 09:12:20 PM
Tokoto hurt, but I'm not sure he ever got away from us.
Can we wait to say that until he's at least suited up and played for the heels?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on April 22, 2012, 09:18:37 PM
Lew Alcindor
Michael Jordan
LeBron James
Magic Johnson
Larry Bird
I know it is tough for MU fans letting those guys get away, but just think about Badger fans. I bet they'd think those guys would be great for the swing.
I wouldn't put him at the top, but a recent recruit who has had a nice career is Michael Snaer.
Mark Aguirre.
Aguirre. No doubt. Changed the face of Depaul. We get Mark, we also most likely get Skip Dillard, Terry Cummings, etc.
The only recruit Al personally failed to get, Brian Winters.
Yeah, forever, I am old.
Quote from: cheebs09 on April 22, 2012, 09:31:42 PM
I know it is tough for MU fans letting those guys get away, but just think about Badger fans. I bet they'd think those guys would be great for the swing.
Nah, Badger fans don't think any would have been much at UW. Bo cooled on them all. Something about not being able to stop them from going to the NBA.
Kevin Magee
Like Al did before him, Hank Raymonds stashed all the players he wanted who didn't qualify out of HS with Al's good friend Bill Mulligan at Saddleback JUCO. After two years, Mulligan got the head coach job at University of California at Irvine and took Kevin Magee with him. At UCI, Magee was All-American both years, averaging 26.3 points and 12.3 rebounds per game. He still holds the records for the two best scoring averages and two best rebounding averages in UCI history.
Quote from: strotty on April 22, 2012, 08:35:01 PM
Recently, Kris Dunn, Tarik Black and Gabe York.
Why is it a bad thing miss on a very talented point guard who will not qualify academically and thus would have broken all our hearts?
Quote from: tower912 on April 22, 2012, 08:19:15 PM
Goose, you're going to have to give a time frame. Agguire, McCray, Wolf, back in the day. Recently, JuJuan Johnson....Dieng.....TTaylor....Schumpert.....
Shut up! We had a shot at Dieng?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on April 22, 2012, 09:08:24 PM
Jon Scheyer
John Shurna
JP Tokoto
You're Sh*ttin' me. We did not offer John Shurna. In HS, he was a slow nobody.
Quote from: LittleMurs on April 22, 2012, 11:37:59 PM
You're Sh*ttin' me. We did not offer John Shurna. In HS, he was a slow nobody.
Agreed. 4ever just has a lady boner for Shurna and Northwestern.
Unfortunately, Jeremy Lamb was sitting in Marquette's lap and Buzz didn't take him. That's a tough one to swallow.
Quote from: LittleMurs on April 22, 2012, 11:37:59 PM
You're Sh*ttin' me. We did not offer John Shurna.
This is correct. He came up for the '07 Pitt game (Kinsella hit 2 3's) and was stiffed by one of the assistant coaches.
Quote from: strotty on April 23, 2012, 12:34:16 AM
Unfortunately, Jeremy Lamb was sitting in Marquette's lap and Buzz didn't take him. That's a tough one to swallow.
I read somewhere on this board that at the camp Lamb attended in MKE with Buzz he couldnt even understand how to go from station to staition.
Quote from: MUeng on April 23, 2012, 12:46:54 AM
I read somewhere on this board that at the camp Lamb attended in MKE with Buzz he couldnt even understand how to go from station to staition.
Vander allegedly destroyed him as well.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on April 22, 2012, 09:08:24 PM
Jon Scheyer
John Shurna
JP Tokoto
Was Marquette even recruiting Scheyer? If so I am so happy we didnt get him. The kid was as dumb as a rock and was really arrogant and stuck up. Very anti Buzz. He was all about himself.
Aguirre and Bowie. Double whammy. Would have changed the course of MU BB history
Craig Shelton PF(DeMatha) who Al lost to G. Thompson and Georgetown. Thompson's recruitment of Shelton and Sleepy Floyd got the ball rolling at Georgetown.
Quote from: PTM on April 23, 2012, 12:18:31 AM
Agreed. 4ever just has a lady boner for Shurna and Northwestern.
Dude just loves traditionals.
Quote from: LittleMurs on April 22, 2012, 11:37:59 PM
You're Sh*ttin' me. We did not offer John Shurna. In HS, he was a slow nobody.
Too Tan Tommy was on his ass.
Quote from: LittleMurs on April 22, 2012, 10:57:24 PM
The only recruit Al personally failed to get, Brian Winters.
Yeah, forever, I am old.
And Tom McMillan
Ironically Brian Winters ended up living several houses away from when I was in high school during his Milwaukee Bucks day. He really was a great guy and shot a ton of hoops with me and our buddies.
Quote from: esard2011 on April 23, 2012, 01:05:45 AM
Was Marquette even recruiting Scheyer? If so I am so happy we didnt get him. The kid was as dumb as a rock and was really arrogant and stuck up. Very anti Buzz. He was all about himself.
While Buzz does an excellent job of instilling the important of team in his players and spreading that message throughout the program, Buzz is not personally lacking in the confidence department.
Quote from: tower912 on April 22, 2012, 08:46:18 PM
I never heard that Szcerbiak was interested in MU. Storytime. What happened?
Wally was interested. More importantly, Wally's dad, Walt Sczerbiak was interested.
However, Mike Deane did not reciprocate. If I remember accurately, the story was Deane didn't think that Wally was a D-I caliber player.
Quote from: esard2011 on April 23, 2012, 01:05:45 AM
Was Marquette even recruiting Scheyer? If so I am so happy we didnt get him. The kid was as dumb as a rock and was really arrogant and stuck up. Very anti Buzz. He was all about himself.
Tom Crean offered Scheyer when he was IN THE EIGHTH GRADE. Scheyer is from Northbrook, IL and went to MU summer camp. He is not dumb at all, I don't know where you would get that.
Quote from: LittleMurs on April 22, 2012, 11:37:59 PM
You're Sh*ttin' me. We did not offer John Shurna. In HS, he was a slow nobody.
John Shurna went to Glenbard West in west suburban Glen Ellyn. GW is in the West Suburban Conference so he played against the Provisos and Oak Park-River Forest and Iman Shumpert. Shurna did very, very well against top high school competition. He was tall, athletic, could shoot. He is from a good family and is a good student and a good kid. Marquette would have been very fortunate to have him. He was a good recruit who has a chance of getting drafted in June.
Story goes that Shurna was turned off on an MU recruiting trip, but was originally interested. That's just the way the story was told to me.
Recently, Nick Fazekas was a tough loss. He would have been here had Crean not insisted he have foot surgery ahead of time (foot condition made him prone to foot breaks). Never had a problem with them at Nevada and ended up being an early second round pick. Averaged 22 and 10 his final year at Nevada. He would overlapped with the 3 Amigos.
The biggest loss by far to keep the program going under Hank was the Scooter McCray situation. That year MU recruited Michael Wilson, Artie Green, Dean Marquardt and Sam Worthen.
Toone was still here so they had the making of an ongoing elite program. Hank told Mark Aquirre sorry as we wanted to come to MU with Skip Dillard and MU already had enough better guards but Louey scooped in with alot of money, so long to Scooter and Rodney and basically from there it has never been the same.
MU would have had a starting line-up of Toone, McCray, Marquardt, Wilson and Worthen, pretty strong team!
LeDaryl Billingsley...
...kidding. But when I was at MU and he ditched us for Tulane, it was huge at the time.
I googled him and saw I LinkedIn that he works in HR for City Colleges of Chicago.
Quote from: Avenue Commons on April 23, 2012, 08:58:15 AM
John Shurna went to Glenbard West in west suburban Glen Ellyn. GW is in the West Suburban Conference so he played against the Provisos and Oak Park-River Forest and Iman Shumpert. Shurna did very, very well against top high school competition. He was tall, athletic, could shoot. He is from a good family and is a good student and a good kid. Marquette would have been very fortunate to have him. He was a good recruit who has a chance of getting drafted in June.
Story goes that Shurna was turned off on an MU recruiting trip, but was originally interested. That's just the way the story was told to me.
I'll be shocked if he gets drafted. He's too slow to guard anyone and his quirky shot will get stuffed back in his face repeatedly at a higher level. Great college player, great potential European career.
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 23, 2012, 09:58:51 AM
The biggest loss by far to keep the program going under Hank was the Scooter McCray situation. That year MU recruited Michael Wilson, Artie Green, Dean Marquardt and Sam Worthen.
Toone was still here so they had the making of an ongoing elite program. Hank told Mark Aquirre sorry as we wanted to come to MU with Skip Dillard and MU already had enough better guards but Louey scooped in with alot of money, so long to Scooter and Rodney and basically from there it has never been the same.
MU would have had a starting line-up of Toone, McCray, Marquardt, Wilson and Worthen, pretty strong team!
Rick Majerus used to tell a pretty funny story on how we lost Scooter. Supposedly when Rick checked in with him at curfew time he caught Scooter polishing the bayonet. The kid was embarrassed and decided to take his talents elsewhere. Not sure if the story is true, but it is funny.
Wolf might have been our biggest ls since it really sent the program in a different direction.
Quote from: PJDunn on April 23, 2012, 10:27:18 AM
Rick Majerus used to tell a pretty funny story on how we lost Scooter. Supposedly when Rick checked in with him at curfew time he caught Scooter polishing the bayonet. The kid was embarrassed and decided to take his talents elsewhere. Not sure if the story is true, but it is funny.
Wolf might have been our biggest ls since it really sent the program in a different direction.
Agreed, both game changers, add Ricky Olson for Rick plus Gary Springer and Billy Varner and Rick might have lasted.
Ricky Olsen...was thinking about him last night. Rick thought he had him and was big letdown for him
Quote from: Avenue Commons on April 23, 2012, 08:58:15 AM
John Shurna went to Glenbard West in west suburban Glen Ellyn. GW is in the West Suburban Conference so he played against the Provisos and Oak Park-River Forest and Iman Shumpert. Shurna did very, very well against top high school competition. He was tall, athletic, could shoot. He is from a good family and is a good student and a good kid. Marquette would have been very fortunate to have him. He was a good recruit who has a chance of getting drafted in June.
Story goes that Shurna was turned off on an MU recruiting trip, but was originally interested. That's just the way the story was told to me.
Shurna was most definitely an underrated prospect. He put up great high school numbers but wasn't that heavily recruited. The rap was that he wasn't athletic enough, but he put that to rest at the Illinois State Tounament his senior year when he became the first player ever to win BOTH the 3 point shooting and the dunk contests. I think by that time he had already picked Northwestern over mostly mid majors. His Dad is a friend of mine and he told me he was being very lightly recruited by MU - almost positive we never offered, much to his Dad's chagrin.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on April 23, 2012, 10:50:03 AM
Shurna was most definitely an underrated prospect. He put up great high school numbers but wasn't that heavily recruited. The rap was that he wasn't athletic enough, but he put that to rest at the Illinois State Tounament his senior year when he became the first player ever to win BOTH the 3 point shooting and the dunk contests. I think by that time he had already picked Northwestern over mostly mid majors. His Dad is a friend of mine and he told me he was being very lightly recruited by MU - almost positive we never offered, much to his Dad's chagrin.
Crowder, Wilson and Shurna would have been pretty good
Of the great players we actually had a shot at getting, it's Aguirre, hands down. Even if he didn't bring anyone else with him, he would have been incredible to have. Assuming that at least another stud or three would have followed, it was real tough to see him go to DePaul.
Several others mentioned are also good choices. I remember the Joe Wolf recruitment all too well and none too fondly!
Aguirre hurt because he verbally told Al he was coming. After Al's departure DePaul had a run based off of Al hitting the bricks.
Didn't see Rocket Rod Foster listed. Hank and Rick were in on a slew of eventual studs but they could never close the deals. A history lesson that our new Admin hopefully considers as that was the start of the slide.
Quote from: PJDunn on April 23, 2012, 10:27:18 AM
Rick Majerus used to tell a pretty funny story on how we lost Scooter. Supposedly when Rick checked in with him at curfew time he caught Scooter polishing the bayonet. The kid was embarrassed and decided to take his talents elsewhere. Not sure if the story is true, but it is funny.
Wolf might have been our biggest ls since it really sent the program in a different direction.
I heard that same story though with the twist that Rick visited the McCray home and Mom told Rick to just go on up. He walks in to find Scooter playing trombone...
Well based on Rick's reported persona you would have thought marriage made in heaven.
Quote from: warthog-driver on April 23, 2012, 11:56:16 AM
I heard that same story though with the twist that Rick visited the McCray home and Mom told Rick to just go on up. He walks in to find Scooter playing trombone...
If two Seattlites hear reasonably similar versions of the same rumor it must be factual.
Quote from: Avenue Commons on April 23, 2012, 08:54:17 AM
Tom Crean offered Scheyer when he was IN THE EIGHTH GRADE. Scheyer is from Northbrook, IL and went to MU summer camp. He is not dumb at all, I don't know where you would get that.
Its because I actually know the kid. My dad coached against him in High school and I knew one of his sisters friends. She said he was not intelligent at all. Being from Northbrook just means you have money.
Quote from: MUViking on April 23, 2012, 09:19:53 AM
Recently, Nick Fazekas was a tough loss. He would have been here had Crean not insisted he have foot surgery ahead of time (foot condition made him prone to foot breaks). Never had a problem with them at Nevada and ended up being an early second round pick. Averaged 22 and 10 his final year at Nevada. He would overlapped with the 3 Amigos.
Beat me to it.
2006 lineup would have been James-McNeal-Matthews/Chapman-Novak-Fazekas.
Quote from: esard2011 on April 23, 2012, 12:35:28 PM
Its because I actually know the kid. My dad coached against him in High school and I knew one of his sisters friends. She said he was not intelligent at all. Being from Northbrook just means you have money.
You know his sister's friend?
That pretty much makes you and Scheyer best buds.
Quote from: esard2011 on April 23, 2012, 12:35:28 PM
Its because I actually know the kid. My dad coached against him in High school and I knew one of his sisters friends. She said he was not intelligent at all. Being from Northbrook just means you have money.
Scheyer, as a Duke undergrad, made the ACC Academic Honor Roll. Not saying one of his sister's friends doesn't think he's an idiot, but he did get at least a 3.0 at Duke.
Let's see ... Scheyer, who mostly had played shooting guard his entire high school and college career, turned himself into one of the nation's most efficient point guards while at Duke. He was instrumental in Duke's run to the 2010 national title and graduated with a history degree.
Yep. Thank goodness Marquette didn't get stuck with a moron like that!
Jamil Wilson. Call me crazy, but he could have filled in nicely when Otule and Gardner went down this season. Doesn't have the bulk, but I think we could have had a shot as an even faster team than we were with our top 2 C's.
Quote from: Avenue Commons on April 23, 2012, 08:58:15 AM
John Shurna went to Glenbard West in west suburban Glen Ellyn. GW is in the West Suburban Conference so he played against the Provisos and Oak Park-River Forest and Iman Shumpert. Shurna did very, very well against top high school competition. He was tall, athletic, could shoot. He is from a good family and is a good student and a good kid. Marquette would have been very fortunate to have him. He was a good recruit who has a chance of getting drafted in June.
Story goes that Shurna was turned off on an MU recruiting trip, but was originally interested. That's just the way the story was told to me.
I'm not surprised that he was turned off on his recruiting trip because MU had little to no interest, and the recruiting trip was undoubtedly unofficial. Shurna had a great career at Northwestern, and he has a decent chance to get drafted, and he would have been a good get for MU,
but that's not how it appeared at the time.
Let's not rewrite his HS history. It appears that his
only scholarship offer came from Northwestern. His other suitors were Davidson, Penn State, Xavier, and Washington State none of whom got around to offering a scholarship. He did commit to Northwestern in May of his junior year, so that kept him off the market during the summer recruiting period, but he probably realized that Northwestern was the only school for whom he wasn't a backup plan. He was "honorable mention" all-state his junior and senior years, never making the 15 player Illinois all-state team. Glenbard West, not exactly a basketball powerhouse, got to a Class AA supersectional with John his junior year for the first time
since 1938. Although ESPN.com ranked Shurna as the 53rd best high school basketball power forward in the national class of 2008, he was not among the ranked players by state or position according to either Rivals.com, Scout.com or ESPN. His ESPN rating was 82.
Quote from: MUDish on April 23, 2012, 10:04:04 AM
LeDaryl Billingsley...
...kidding. But when I was at MU and he ditched us for Tulane, it was huge at the time.
I googled him and saw I LinkedIn that he works in HR for City Colleges of Chicago.
I remember he made a verbal commitment the same year as Brian Wardle, but come November, he wouldn't sign the LOI, although he continued to say that he was coming to MU. Story was that his step-dad was pushing Marquette so hard that it turned him off on the school.
Quote from: Goose on April 23, 2012, 10:46:12 AM
Ricky Olsen...was thinking about him last night. Rick thought he had him and was big letdown for him
Ricky told me the story a few years back. He had given Rick a commitment and asked that he not announce it yet. He called back and asked him to wait the weekend. While in madison over the weekend, he started getting pulled by everyone - from Andy North to his grandma. His parents wanted him to go to MU, but in the end, he couldn't outlast the pressure. He said the toughest call he ever made was to Rick. Majerus said to him as soon as he asked for extra time he knew he lost him.
While Ricky had a nice career at Madison, he could have had a better career and visibility at MU.
Quote from: MUMac on April 23, 2012, 03:01:03 PM
Ricky told me the story a few years back. He had given Rick a commitment and asked that he not announce it yet. He called back and asked him to wait the weekend. While in madison over the weekend, he started getting pulled by everyone - from Andy North to his grandma. His parents wanted him to go to MU, but in the end, he couldn't outlast the pressure. He said the toughest call he ever made was to Rick. Majerus said to him as soon as he asked for extra time he knew he lost him.
While Ricky had a nice career at Madison, he could have had a better career and visibility at MU.
Andy North?
Quote from: drewm88 on April 23, 2012, 01:21:10 PM
Jamil Wilson. Call me crazy, but he could have filled in nicely when Otule and Gardner went down this season. Doesn't have the bulk, but I think we could have had a shot as an even faster team than we were with our top 2 C's.
Wot?
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on April 23, 2012, 03:39:41 PM
Wot?
drewm88 just got back from a year long trip to the jungles of Borneo.
Quote from: Mardukas on April 23, 2012, 03:27:57 PM
Andy North?
Yuuuuge Badger sports backer. Sits right behind BoDiddly during games.
Quote from: mu-rara on April 23, 2012, 03:44:55 PM
Yuuuuge Badger sports backer. Sits right behind BoDiddly during games.
And is frequently interviewed on Badger football games, huge booster and freqeuntly "bumps" into recruits.
Also, pretty sure he does radio for the basketball team, at least he did to start out this season.
Quote from: MUMac on April 23, 2012, 04:10:16 PM
And is frequently interviewed on Badger football games, huge booster and freqeuntly "bumps" into recruits.
How many recruits care about Andy North?
I can hear Bo, "Let's close this now. Unleash Andy North!"
Andy, donated the basketball floor to UW, see him at every away game, great supporter to the basketball program. Andy was a great athlete, All-State basketball player, won 2 majors in golf, pretty good!
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 23, 2012, 04:46:49 PM
Andy, donated the basketball floor to UW, see him at every away game, great supporter to the basketball program. Andy was a great athlete, All-State basketball player, won 2 majors in golf, pretty good!
I sure he is a stellar man but the question is how many recruits give a sh1t about Andy North? I'll bet 99.9999% would ask, "Who?" North is an old retired PGA Tour pro who played HS BB more than 50 years ago. I cannot see him as a weapon in the recruiting wars.
He's a mainstay on the ESPN golf coverage. I'm 23 and the first time I heard of him was watching on ESPN. With the Tiger-factor, I wouldn't be shocked if some recruits had at least a passing interest in golf, and many times it was within Sportscenter, so not hard to figure that recruits would know who Andy North is.
Quote from: warthog-driver on April 23, 2012, 04:59:05 PM
I sure he is a stellar man but the question is how many recruits give a sh1t about Andy North? I'll bet 99.9999% would ask, "Who?" North is an old retired PGA Tour pro who played HS BB more than 50 years ago. I cannot see him as a weapon in the recruiting wars.
Does not mean a thing for recruiting, nor do kids who want to play a uptempo game, Uthoff probably needed to go up and down. I do have one question who has seen Uthoff and Juan Anderson, both top 100 kids, whom was better? Juan does not impress me at all playing the 4, out of position and all I saw a kid who works hard once on the floor, but all he did offensively was make a lay-up once in awhile. Can somebody compare both?
Quote from: PTM on April 23, 2012, 03:47:38 PM
Two-time US Open champion Andy North.
I know who Andy North is. He's about as irrelevant has a two time major winner can be. Just wondering why a basketball recruit would care what Andy North says. Seriously, would somebody go to Marquette if Lee Janzen was one of our supporters? Janzen had a better career than North!
Quote from: Mardukas on April 23, 2012, 05:13:30 PM
I know who Andy North is. He's about as irrelevant has a two time major winner can be. Just wondering why a basketball recruit would care what Andy North says. Seriously, would somebody go to Marquette if Lee Janzen was one of our supporters? Janzen had a better career than North!
Which is a more compelling greeting?
"Hi, I'm Andy North. Welcome to the Kohl Center. I paid for this floor."
or
"Hey, I'm Dick Strong and this is my hardwood."
Quote from: esard2011 on April 23, 2012, 12:35:28 PM
Its because I actually know the kid. My dad coached against him in High school and I knew one of his sisters friends. She said he was not intelligent at all. Being from Northbrook just means you have money.
Did his sister's friend also tell you she saw Ferris pass out in the 31 flavors last night?
I played baseball against Nimphius and got to know him through beer parties on the beach at Grant Park (we used to roll those quarterbarrels down the cliff; surprised nobody was killed doing that.)He said Majerus was on him in a big way. Kurt was a major stoner and often played ball after a couple numbers. I recall him saying he was going to play at ASU for three reasons: Righteous Poon, Ganja, and Climate. In retrospect I guess I really cannpot argue with that logic.
Quote from: Mardukas on April 23, 2012, 05:13:30 PM
I know who Andy North is. He's about as irrelevant has a two time major winner can be. Just wondering why a basketball recruit would care what Andy North says. Seriously, would somebody go to Marquette if Lee Janzen was one of our supporters? Janzen had a better career than North!
Remember we are talking, what, 25 years ago.
Quote from: cheebs09 on April 23, 2012, 05:03:05 PM
He's a mainstay on the ESPN golf coverage. I'm 23 and the first time I heard of him was watching on ESPN. With the Tiger-factor, I wouldn't be shocked if some recruits had at least a passing interest in golf, and many times it was within Sportscenter, so not hard to figure that recruits would know who Andy North is.
I would submit, Mr Woods' influence not withstanding, that the Golf Channel targets a very different demographic than the readership of Slam.
I work in Corporate Strategy at T-Mobile and review the demographic profiles of the various media all the time. We spend more than a $B a year on Above the Line. Given our skew towards young, urban, ethnic we spend more on Slam, NBA, etc...than we ever will on The Atlantic Monthly or Golf Digest. Just sayin
I actually like Andy North, too! I think he's a good announcer...for golf!
Quote from: warthog-driver on April 23, 2012, 04:59:05 PM
I sure he is a stellar man but the question is how many recruits give a sh1t about Andy North? I'll bet 99.9999% would ask, "Who?" North is an old retired PGA Tour pro who played HS BB more than 50 years ago. I cannot see him as a weapon in the recruiting wars.
What does 50 years ago have to do with Ricky Olson? He played 30 years ago, in the same era that Andy North had his golfing success. I mentioned Andy North, though, for a reason. Not one based on speculation or conjecture either. You don't think he was a factor, fine. Ignorance is bliss, I guess.
Quote from: warthog-driver on April 23, 2012, 06:53:19 PM
I would submit, Mr Woods' influence not withstanding, that the Golf Channel targets a very different demographic than the readership of Slam.
I work in Corporate Strategy at T-Mobile and review the demographic profiles of the various media all the time. We spend more than a $B a year on Above the Line. Given our skew towards young, urban, ethnic we spend more on Slam, NBA, etc...than we ever will on The Atlantic Monthly or Golf Digest. Just sayin
I will agree with that. Andy North is on ESPN, he may do some work for Golf Channel (I don't really watch), but I know North from ESPN and he makes appearances on Sportscenter (which is popular among Basketball recruits). They may not know Andy North the 2-time major golf champion, but they would probably know Andy North the ESPN Analyst.
If Andy North is a fan of the UW - Madison then I am no fan of Andy North