The NCAA is changing the qualification requirements for JUCO players. From now on, they have to have a transfer GPA of 2.5, which is higher than the old requirement (2.0) but also the minimum for incoming freshmen (2.3). Looks essentially like they're just trying to weed JUCOs out of Division 1. Really crappy decision by the NCAA.
http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/58001/ncaa-reform-will-have-big-effect-on-jc-level
what is the logic behind having it above the freshman minimum?
Quote from: seinfeld on April 17, 2012, 04:16:28 PM
what is the logic behind having it above the freshman minimum?
It's the NCAA, they don't need logic.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 17, 2012, 04:19:38 PM
It's the NCAA, they don't need logic.
yeah, you got that right
Meanwhile at Kentucky . . . . .oh look, a squirrel!
Not familiar with the restrictions or what they actually mean, but I would think it would be an escalating GPA since JUCOs are older. For freshmen, they are still young and immature. JUCOs are older and are suppose to be more academically mature. I know some schools have min major requirements where if your a freshmen requirements are lower than if you are a junior. From my limited understanding, it makes sense to me.
Does that make any sense for those that actually understand the limits?
Designed to punish non-traditional players?
Good call. Chicos name-dropped his way into the NCAA inner circle and had them do this so that he could feel less squirmy.
Quote from: tower912 on April 17, 2012, 07:05:41 PM
Good call. Chicos name-dropped his way into the NCAA inner circle and had them do this so that he could feel less squirmy.
The Bail Bondsman is the one who invented the term, "non-traditional player" as code for racial categorizing. He also has a major hard-on against Jucos.
I know. We agree.
Quote from: tower912 on April 17, 2012, 07:10:30 PM
I know. We agree.
How I miss those days of veiled racist commentary.
It's still here. It just goes around on the rim.
Marquette fans that are against JUCO players are racist? What a leap you are making.
If a person was a Marquette basketball fan, a wildly passionate fan of the team including all members of the team (black, white, etc) are they racist? If that same fan didn't want many JUCO players because they only play for 2 years instead of 4, or because of some other reason (informed or otherwise), that would make them racist?
That is quite a leap of logic that makes no sense.
I don't care if we take JUCO players or not, but there are many MU fans that do care. If they choose to feel that way it has nothing to do with racism if they are indeed fans of the very same African American race of players that are there for four years. Or are you saying these fans are only partially racist against JUCO African Americans but not four year African Americans? You can see how quickly your arguments have already derailed from the tracks.
Boy, am I ever out of it. I thought non-traditional players meant white guys who don't go to Wisconsin.
Quote from: LittleMurs on April 17, 2012, 07:47:51 PM
Boy, am I ever out of it. I thought non-traditional players meant white guys who don't go to Wisconsin.
ou are partially correct. Non-Traditional players are white guys who go to Wisconsin and thrive under Bo Ryan.
Quote from: seinfeld on April 17, 2012, 04:16:28 PM
what is the logic behind having it above the freshman minimum?
Don't you know, the NCAA is racist and they have it in for the African American JUCO players (but not the African American 4 year players). It's all obvious to everyone, isn't? ::)
The NCAA was asked to clean up some of the mess, academic and otherwise, from the last few years and beyond. This is what they are trying to do. Some people will like it and some will not. There are too many kids leaving school that cannot properly read, write, or operate at basic levels of mathematics to survive in the real world. The Presidents run the NCAA and they are trying to address this. They may go to far or some will argue they do not go far enough.
Here's the other part of the requirements not listed in the JUCO ESPN article.
http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/17/academic-reforms-are-good-but-what-are-the-side-effects/
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/7823800/ncaa-takes-academic-reform-again-college-basketball
Quote from: Hoopaloop on April 17, 2012, 08:01:44 PM
Don't you know, the NCAA is racist and they have it in for the African American JUCO players (but not the African American 4 year players). It's all obvious to everyone, isn't? ::)
The NCAA was asked to clean up some of the mess, academic and otherwise, from the last few years and beyond. This is what they are trying to do. Some people will like it and some will not. There are too many kids leaving school that cannot properly read, write, or operate at basic levels of mathematics to survive in the real world. The Presidents run the NCAA and they are trying to address this. They may go to far or some will argue they do not go far enough.
Here's the other part of the requirements not listed in the JUCO ESPN article.
http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/17/academic-reforms-are-good-but-what-are-the-side-effects/
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/7823800/ncaa-takes-academic-reform-again-college-basketball
No way the 2.5 GPA stands or holds up in court. Name the legal or academic accreditation precedence? In fact, it is prejudiced as that is more than a student in good standing.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on April 17, 2012, 09:04:07 PM
No way the 2.5 GPA stands or holds up i court. Name the legal or academic accreditation precedence? In fact, it is prejudiced as that is more than a student in good standing.
Was the no freshman rule ever tested in court? It was before my time so I don't know the details of the rule but I would think that is a similar situation where eligibility was based on academic success (aka passing enough classes for sophomore status without flunking out).
Quote from: Hoopaloop on April 17, 2012, 08:01:44 PM
Don't you know, the NCAA is racist and they have it in for the African American JUCO players (but not the African American 4 year players). It's all obvious to everyone, isn't? ::)
i sometimes wonder if you even realize the level of what you post.
Personally, i dint have a huge deal with it. Most jucos are the equivalent of dumbed down public high schools
Quote from: Hoopaloop on April 17, 2012, 07:43:12 PM
Marquette fans that are against JUCO players are racist? What a leap you are making.
If a person was a Marquette basketball fan, a wildly passionate fan of the team including all members of the team (black, white, etc) are they racist? If that same fan didn't want many JUCO players because they only play for 2 years instead of 4, or because of some other reason (informed or otherwise), that would make them racist?
That is quite a leap of logic that makes no sense.
I don't care if we take JUCO players or not, but there are many MU fans that do care. If they choose to feel that way it has nothing to do with racism if they are indeed fans of the very same African American race of players that are there for four years. Or are you saying these fans are only partially racist against JUCO African Americans but not four year African Americans? You can see how quickly your arguments have already derailed from the tracks.
I think the comments you're responding to are in reference to Chicos' comment that MU needed more sharp-shooting traditional players like Wisconsin has. He later attempted to clarify but it initially felt he was saying that MU needed more white guys. It sounded even more ignorant considering MU had 4 guys (including 2 Jucos) shooting over 40% from 3 at the time.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on April 18, 2012, 08:22:52 AM
I think the comments you're responding to are in reference to Chicos' comment that MU needed more sharp-shooting traditional players like Wisconsin has. He later attempted to clarify but it initially felt he was saying that MU needed more white guys. It sounded even more ignorant considering MU had 4 guys (including 2 Jucos) shooting over 40% from 3 at the time.
I remember reading the exchange and thought nothing of it. Chicos could say the Pope was Catholic and there is an entourage here that would take him to task for saying it. From afar, it was often about who said it, not what was said if you ask me. You see the same thing with Murffius. You could see the same thing with ErikJD not long ago. I get the same treatment at times.
If you define traditional as sharp shooting guys only then you are probably on to something. Is that how traditional was defined? Or is that how people wanted to define a poster's words? I doubt very much he is a racist and remarks of that nature are in poor taste here. As I explained yesterday, how is it he or any MU fan that supports the team (black, white, whatever) is suddenly a racist because they don't want JUCO players. Wouldn't their opinion on JUCO players be driven by something other than race, especially when there are many four year players on the team that are also African American and these fans have no issue with those players? The commentary from Tower and Warthog are overboard, especially from a US serviceman where I'd expect more from. There are a number of people in the administration and fans that don't like the makeup of our teams and it has nothing to do with race but you would think with Warthog's comments that race is driving it. Unfortunate that he is choosing those words as they paint many Marquette loving people incorrectly.
Quote from: Hoopaloop on April 18, 2012, 01:57:04 PMThe commentary from Tower and Warthog are overboard, especially from a US serviceman where I'd expect more from. There are a number of people in the administration and fans that don't like the makeup of our teams and it has nothing to do with race but you would think with Warthog's comments that race is driving it. Unfortunate that he is choosing those words as they paint many Marquette loving people incorrectly.
We simply repeated your,,errr, Chicos words