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Title: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: 🏀 on April 13, 2012, 07:41:46 PM
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@BIGGCAT44 another one for ya...apparently this is Trent Lockett who is transferring?
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: wadesworld on April 13, 2012, 07:47:46 PM
Wow.  Nice find.  Who Tweeted that one and where were they?
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: 77ncaachamps on April 13, 2012, 07:49:32 PM
Also, is it illegal for him to have contact with Lockett? And what other speculations could this lead to (i.e., player/s departing)? Oy vey
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: 🏀 on April 13, 2012, 07:50:46 PM
Wow.  Nice find.  Who Tweeted that one and where were they?

All the backstory I can find is it was taken by a roommate of a guy who has a Marquette friend. Either people are anyone.

I do not disappoint when it comes to Twitter Tracker.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: 🏀 on April 13, 2012, 07:53:33 PM
Also, is it illegal for him to have contact with Lockett? And what other speculations could this lead to (i.e., player/s departing)? Oy vey

Since Lockett announced his transfer, I would imagine not. If ASU hasn't granted a release, I think he's probably taking his degree and leaving.

I think all the speculation can become real now. Pretty hard to think everyone is staying while Buzz is sitting down with Lockett.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: jsglow on April 13, 2012, 07:58:10 PM
Great work PTM.  But of course this doesn't mean that someone who suited up in 2011-12 is leaving.  My bet is still the big fella from Texas for a year of Prep while Lockett 'borrows' his scholly.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: 🏀 on April 13, 2012, 08:03:11 PM
Great work PTM.  But of course this doesn't mean that someone who suited up in 2011-12 is leaving.

Very true.

Lockett will graduate from ASU on May 3rd.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: 77ncaachamps on April 13, 2012, 08:24:24 PM
If it's true then it's a damn shame were gonna have him only for a yr.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: Markusquette on April 13, 2012, 08:51:20 PM
If it's true then it's a damn shame were gonna have him only for a yr.

Better 1 than none!
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: brewcity77 on April 13, 2012, 08:57:39 PM
If it's true then it's a damn shame were gonna have him only for a yr.

If he's as ready as indicated, that could be perfect. One year for further acclimation for Todd and TJ, then we have 2 legit scoring 2s for the two years after. It's a perfect bridge player. Hopefully he essentially gives us one more year of a DJO proxy before the sophomores become juniors.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: bamamarquettefan on April 13, 2012, 09:10:23 PM
Too bad for him to that he was stuck at asu, as bad as they were.  I mean, the team was 3rd in the country in turnovers last year.

Seeing as our Florida game was basically on their campus, I'm glad if that didn't discourage him!
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: MUEng92 on April 13, 2012, 09:33:30 PM
Talk about a multitasker.  Going over plays on an iPad while making a call on his iPhone.

On a side note, I'm  a little uneasy seeing this.  From a privacy point of view rather than a recruiting issue.  Guess I'm an old geezer.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: GGGG on April 13, 2012, 10:07:02 PM
Great work PTM.  But of course this doesn't mean that someone who suited up in 2011-12 is leaving.  My bet is still the big fella from Texas for a year of Prep while Lockett 'borrows' his scholly.


If you told me that I could pick the incoming recruit that would be asked not to come, I wouldn't pick Durley.  IMO, we need Durley.  Otherwise, we have no size coming in 2012 and so far in 2013. 

We are so loaded at the guard / wing, that a player like Ferguson is the one I would hope doesn't show.

Of course, if all of our incoming freshman have been admitted, they would have to voluntarily decide to go elsewhere since the NLI commits MU to at least one year.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: brewcity77 on April 13, 2012, 10:10:18 PM
Of course, if all of our incoming freshman have been admitted, they would have to voluntarily decide to go elsewhere since the NLI commits MU to at least one year.

My guess is Buzz already knows who either is transferring or not coming. And I'd guess that person knows as well. He seems too organized to bring someone in without a well-orchestrated plan in place.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: MU B2002 on April 13, 2012, 10:11:19 PM
Can't we overspend 1 scholarship and just pay the luxury tax.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: jsglow on April 13, 2012, 10:37:39 PM

If you told me that I could pick the incoming recruit that would be asked not to come, I wouldn't pick Durley.  IMO, we need Durley.  Otherwise, we have no size coming in 2012 and so far in 2013. 

We are so loaded at the guard / wing, that a player like Ferguson is the one I would hope doesn't show.

Of course, if all of our incoming freshman have been admitted, they would have to voluntarily decide to go elsewhere since the NLI commits MU to at least one year.

But Chris and Ox still have 2 years Sultan. (Let's not discuss the 6th Chris year again, please.)  My guess is that either Durley comes the following year or some impressive 'big' replaces him in the '13 class realizing that he learns for one year and then plays as a Sophomore.  If Buzz knows how to do anything, it's play 3 guard and a #3+#3 or #4.  But if your scenario is correct, that's fine too.  All I know is that our second 5 (somebody previously outlined) is really strong if Lockett commits and starts at the #2.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: wadesworld on April 13, 2012, 10:45:14 PM
Maybe Lockett will just get an academic scholarship...
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: Benny B on April 13, 2012, 10:46:41 PM
A) Are we sure that's Lockett?

B) Are you sure the picture isn't Photoshopped?
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: strotty on April 13, 2012, 11:04:11 PM
A) Are we sure that's Lockett?

B) Are you sure the picture isn't Photoshopped?

The photo isn't photoshopped, but I can't say that it's for sure Lockett.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: wadesworld on April 13, 2012, 11:04:22 PM
A) Are we sure that's Lockett?

B) Are you sure the picture isn't Photoshopped?

It sure looks like him, and if that is Photoshopped that is one incredible Photoshopping job.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: Dawson Rental on April 14, 2012, 12:23:29 AM
A) Are we sure that's Lockett?

B) Are you sure the picture isn't Photoshopped?

If it's on Twitter, it must be true.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: 🏀 on April 14, 2012, 12:28:29 AM
A) Are we sure that's Lockett?

B) Are you sure the picture isn't Photoshopped?

I didn't go forensic science on the picture, but I did check a picture of Lockett's side profile. His curled his ears match rather well with the Twitter picture.

Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: MU82 on April 14, 2012, 05:57:59 AM
My guess is Buzz already knows who either is transferring or not coming. And I'd guess that person knows as well. He seems too organized to bring someone in without a well-orchestrated plan in place.

This.

I hope.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: GGGG on April 14, 2012, 07:24:55 AM
But Chris and Ox still have 2 years Sultan. (Let's not discuss the 6th Chris year again, please.)  My guess is that either Durley comes the following year or some impressive 'big' replaces him in the '13 class realizing that he learns for one year and then plays as a Sophomore.  If Buzz knows how to do anything, it's play 3 guard and a #3+#3 or #4.  But if your scenario is correct, that's fine too.  All I know is that our second 5 (somebody previously outlined) is really strong if Lockett commits and starts at the #2.


Why would we assume that he would come the following year?  And yeah, that would also open up room in 2013, but then the new big would only have one year.

But brew is right...Buzz already knows what is going on.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: Tugg Speedman on April 14, 2012, 07:47:13 AM
Here is a picture of Lockett.  I'll let the forensic experts analyze it versus the picture above.

Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: esotericmindguy on April 14, 2012, 09:17:49 AM
Sultan, I disagree. Because he's 6'11 you want him to come over a top 150 recruit that was offered by other high major programs? With the 3 guard lineup that Buzz plays I'm all for having ample depth at guard. Do we need to go through the 6'11 wastes of space that have attended Marquette over the years? OSU made it to the finals with a 6'9 center, height is overrated in College basketball and we have height covered for the next 2 years. With Buzz's success in the Juco field I have no doubts he'll find a competent center in 2014 if need be.

And my great forensic mind not only tells me that the man pictured is indeed Trent Lockett, it also tells me that he will be attending Marquette this summer. I also agree that Buzz wouldn't do this without availability, it seems obvious to me that Durley will go to prep school and a certain player that never saw the floor will transfer.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: GGGG on April 14, 2012, 10:30:54 AM
Sultan, I disagree. Because he's 6'11 you want him to come over a top 150 recruit that was offered by other high major programs? With the 3 guard lineup that Buzz plays I'm all for having ample depth at guard. Do we need to go through the 6'11 wastes of space that have attended Marquette over the years? OSU made it to the finals with a 6'9 center, height is overrated in College basketball and we have height covered for the next 2 years. With Buzz's success in the Juco field I have no doubts he'll find a competent center in 2014 if need be.


Good point about a JUCO center, but we have a ton of guards...more than enough IMO.  But whatever...we will figure it out soon enough.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: Tugg Speedman on April 14, 2012, 11:29:07 AM
If your concern is height ... Philip Nolan??
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: GGGG on April 14, 2012, 11:33:00 AM
Philip Nolan isn't a post.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: Blackhat on April 14, 2012, 11:35:06 AM
Philip Nolan isn't a post.

Then again neither was Jamil Wilson.   If Nolan can learn how to rebound.....   you may be 100% right sultan though if the kid is soft I don't want him.   Really surprised we can't get a 6'9" Marcus Jackson yet.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: brewcity77 on April 14, 2012, 11:39:02 AM
Sultan, I disagree. Because he's 6'11 you want him to come over a top 150 recruit that was offered by other high major programs?

I'll be honest, I want both, but why does everyone seem to forget that Durley was also courting high-major programs? Durley himself was very quiet on who actually offered, but according to the family we at least know that he was being pursued by Texas A&M, Oklahoma, and Kansas State, and had an offer from South Florida. Maybe they aren't Duke or UCLA, but Durley was still getting high-major interest.

As far as my concern about losing Durley is the potential of not having any size ready to replace Otule and Gardner when they leave in 2014. It's easy to say "2014-15 is 3 years away", but right now, we are committed to every scholarship for the next 2 years. Granted, we do have 5 scholarships scheduled to open in 2014, but how many players are ready to step into a program for the first time and start and perform at a high level? Primarily quality JUCO centers and five-star prospects. Neither will necessarily be easy to come by.

However, if we have a guy who is coming in knowing the system, seasoned from practice, and is either a junior or redshirt sophomore, I'd feel a lot more comfortable about our frontcourt. Especially as no one we have slated to come in before the 2014 class projects as a center for that year. Sure, tOSU got by with a 6'9" center, but there was no doubt Sullinger was a center. Is Steve Taylor really a center, if that's the route we end up having to go? Is Juan Anderson?

Maybe it's just that from reading his interviews and Twitter that I have really come to like Durley, and from reading reports about how well-developed he is physically and how good he's been at the AAU level, I think he could be another diamond in the rough type player. He hasn't been as heavily recruited because of an injury his junior year and playing behind a McDonald's All-American right after recovering from that.

I just think we're better off with him here in 2012 than hoping that something works out in 2014, because if we're pinning our hopes on our stellar ability to find stud big men, I'm not confident everything will be hunky-dory.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: Tugg Speedman on April 14, 2012, 11:44:28 AM
Aren't we just looking for a bridge to Diamond Stone?
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: wadesworld on April 14, 2012, 11:45:10 AM
Then again neither was Jamil Wilson.   If Nolan can learn how to rebound.....   you may be 100% right sultan though if the kid is soft I don't want him.   Really surprised we can't get a 6'9" Marcus Jackson yet.

But nobody expected Jamil to be a big.  He was a slasher throughout high school and was recruited as a wing/slasher.  Nolan is not a slasher.  He is a big who stands on the perimeter.  He does not have good ball handling.

The potential will get him looks.  If we had open scholarships I would love to have him because he is 6'10" and athletic, but to me he is not worth opening up a scholarship for.

Good thing Buzz is the one who has to figure out what to do and not me.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on April 14, 2012, 01:51:27 PM
That picture is without a doubt Lockett
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: strotty on April 14, 2012, 03:28:26 PM
That picture is without a doubt Lockett

I don't know why the picture is that big a deal. Marquette had interest, Rothstein said MU looked like the landing spot. This confirms interest, but it isn't a huge revelation.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: wadesworld on April 14, 2012, 04:03:27 PM
I don't know why the picture is that big a deal. Marquette had interest, Rothstein said MU looked like the landing spot. This confirms interest, but it isn't a huge revelation.

Considering all the talk about how we are also the favorites for Nunn and Nolan, to go along with the possibilities of Hood (somewhat unrealistic), Willms (probably not), and Parker (pipe dream), something as concrete as a picture of Buzz and Lockett sitting down together discussing whatever it is is a pretty darn big deal.  Anybody could throw around random rumors.  I could say "We're the favorites for Looney right now!" and that would be as concrete as people saying "We're the favorites for Nolan right now and we're going to land him."  There is nothing that can disprove that as of right now, but there is also nothing concrete other than Nolan saying he wants to go to Marquette.  How do we know Marquette wants him?  When you have a picture of a 1 year transfer who supposedly has interest in coming to Marquette sitting with Marquette's head coach, it's pretty clear that there is mutual interest.

On top of that, we're already full on scholarships for next year, so with Buzz and Lockett sitting down together, I doubt they decided just to sit down, have some tea, and check stuff out on an iPad just for the fun of it.  It's pretty clear at this point that there will be some sort of turnover heading into next season.  Seems like a pretty big deal to me.  To you?  Guess not.

It could also mean that Marquette is no longer interested in Hood and/or Nolan, considering they would require a scholarship next year.  So if we got Lockett, those 2 would be out or 2 players would have to not show up/transfer out.

It's a big deal.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: brewcity77 on April 14, 2012, 04:14:03 PM
Considering all the talk about how we are also the favorites for Nunn and Nolan, to go along with the possibilities of Hood (somewhat unrealistic), Willms (probably not), and Parker (pipe dream), something as concrete as a picture of Buzz and Lockett sitting down together discussing whatever it is is a pretty darn big deal.  Anybody could throw around random rumors.  I could say "We're the favorites for Looney right now!" and that would be as concrete as people saying "We're the favorites for Nolan right now and we're going to land him."  There is nothing that can disprove that as of right now, but there is also nothing concrete other than Nolan saying he wants to go to Marquette.  How do we know Marquette wants him?  When you have a picture of a 1 year transfer who supposedly has interest in coming to Marquette sitting with Marquette's head coach, it's pretty clear that there is mutual interest.

On top of that, we're already full on scholarships for next year, so with Buzz and Lockett sitting down together, I doubt they decided just to sit down, have some tea, and check stuff out on an iPad just for the fun of it.  It's pretty clear at this point that there will be some sort of turnover heading into next season.  Seems like a pretty big deal to me.  To you?  Guess not.

It could also mean that Marquette is no longer interested in Hood and/or Nolan, considering they would require a scholarship next year.  So if we got Lockett, those 2 would be out or 2 players would have to not show up/transfer out.

It's a big deal.

Excellent post. At the very least, it proves we have interest, he has interest, and a visit took place, presumably on campus. With all the misinformation out there, that's about as concrete as it comes.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: Dawson Rental on April 14, 2012, 04:42:44 PM
Aren't we just looking for a bridge to Diamond Stone?

Sorry, but LOL (I really did).  It seems that MU will have a legitimate shot at Stone.  That is so very far from being able to pencil him as an MU get.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: Dawson Rental on April 14, 2012, 04:47:46 PM
I don't know why the picture is that big a deal. Marquette had interest, Rothstein said MU looked like the landing spot. This confirms interest, but it isn't a huge revelation.

Well said, young Strotty!
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: Dawson Rental on April 14, 2012, 04:51:16 PM
Considering all the talk about how we are also the favorites for Nunn and Nolan, to go along with the possibilities of Hood (somewhat unrealistic), Willms (probably not), and Parker (pipe dream), something as concrete as a picture of Buzz and Lockett sitting down together discussing whatever it is is a pretty darn big deal.  Anybody could throw around random rumors.  I could say "We're the favorites for Looney right now!" and that would be as concrete as people saying "We're the favorites for Nolan right now and we're going to land him."  There is nothing that can disprove that as of right now, but there is also nothing concrete other than Nolan saying he wants to go to Marquette.  How do we know Marquette wants him?  When you have a picture of a 1 year transfer who supposedly has interest in coming to Marquette sitting with Marquette's head coach, it's pretty clear that there is mutual interest.

On top of that, we're already full on scholarships for next year, so with Buzz and Lockett sitting down together, I doubt they decided just to sit down, have some tea, and check stuff out on an iPad just for the fun of it.  It's pretty clear at this point that there will be some sort of turnover heading into next season.  Seems like a pretty big deal to me.  To you?  Guess not.

It could also mean that Marquette is no longer interested in Hood and/or Nolan, considering they would require a scholarship next year.  So if we got Lockett, those 2 would be out or 2 players would have to not show up/transfer out.

It's a big deal.

Oh, I'm certain that Marquette has an interest in Hood.  After his freshman year, I'm sure that getting him away from a perennial top ten program would be a real feat.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: muvanwilder on April 14, 2012, 06:40:53 PM
The bottom line is adding Lockett makes us a better team next yr. Buzz knows this and will do his best to land him, and then figure out what to do after.  Buzz as always made it known he will never stop recruiting regardless of scholarship situation. Hence he's always on the lookout to improve the team.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: strotty on April 14, 2012, 07:13:07 PM
Excellent post. At the very least, it proves we have interest, he has interest, and a visit took place, presumably on campus. With all the misinformation out there, that's about as concrete as it comes.

I take CBS and Jon Rothstein as credible, so that's why I don't think it's a big deal. Before the picture was shown, Marquette looked to be in a good position. I assumed a visit would take place.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: wadesworld on April 14, 2012, 07:32:46 PM
Oh, I'm certain that Marquette has an interest in Hood.  After his freshman year, I'm sure that getting him away from a perennial top ten program would be a real feat.

Huh?  Rodney Hood is at Mississippi State, not Michigan State.  Nothing perennial about them.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: brewcity77 on April 14, 2012, 08:47:56 PM
I take CBS and Jon Rothstein as credible, so that's why I don't think it's a big deal. Before the picture was shown, Marquette looked to be in a good position. I assumed a visit would take place.

When it comes to recruiting interest, even credible sources will quickly jump on an offhand comment or turn a rumor into a fact in a heartbeat. Not doubting Rothstein, but saying there's interest could mean a phone call, an inquiry, or a best friend's preference. Just saying the picture proving the visit is a lot more substantive, and is also a very strong indicator that someone scheduled to be here next year won't be.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: mr.MUskie on April 14, 2012, 08:57:07 PM
I think they're just trying to figure out who owes what on the bar tab.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: Tugg Speedman on April 14, 2012, 09:08:24 PM
I think they're just trying to figure out who owes what on the bar tab.

Larry Williams
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: The Process on April 14, 2012, 09:12:05 PM
I think they're just trying to figure out who owes what on the bar tab.

That's odd - that doesn't look like Apartment 720
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: DomJamesToTheBasket on April 14, 2012, 09:28:02 PM
The bottom line is adding Lockett makes us a better team next yr. Buzz knows this and will do his best to land him, and then figure out what to do after.  Buzz as always made it known he will never stop recruiting regardless of scholarship situation. Hence he's always on the lookout to improve the team.

+1

There have been hints in this thread, as well as others, that there will be a transfer.  My ex sister-in law's 2nd cousin's dentist's friend's next-door-neighbor has mentioned a certain transfer to a less frigid school.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: BCHoopster on April 14, 2012, 10:02:37 PM
Well, who is it?
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: Jay Bee on April 14, 2012, 10:14:00 PM
Well, who is it?

It's been revealed to those who can see.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: MuMark on April 14, 2012, 10:27:30 PM
The visit was in MN not on campus and our interest in him and vice versa had been confirmed over a week ago by Mark Miller among others.

Good to see that Buzz and the young man met but as Strott said this is not a surprise.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on April 14, 2012, 10:30:21 PM
It's been revealed to those who can see.

Winter is coming.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: SaveOD238 on April 14, 2012, 10:34:50 PM
Winter is coming.

It is known.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: DomJamesToTheBasket on April 15, 2012, 03:16:40 AM
Well, who is it?

I won't "call" anyone out.  I heard a certain player is transferring,  which makes sense given MU being attached to a lot of high profile transfers.   If you do the math,  he makes the most sense.  Please keep your conclusion to yourself...
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: westcoastwarrior on April 15, 2012, 11:49:06 AM
+1

There have been hints in this thread, as well as others, that there will be a transfer.  My ex sister-in law's 2nd cousin's dentist's friend's next-door-neighbor has mentioned a certain transfer to a less frigid school.

Are you talking about the girls on campus or the Milwaukee weather?  :D
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: Clam Crowder on April 15, 2012, 11:49:42 AM
Durley is the obvious answer to this question, it's very obvious to me
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: mueron on April 15, 2012, 11:54:56 AM
It is known.

They will bend the knee or I will destroy them.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: BCHoopster on April 15, 2012, 01:32:56 PM
Durley is the obvious answer to this question, it's very obvious to me

Durley is not a transfer, never been hear yet.  But he is the obvious one, but I think there is somebody else.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: Ellenson Guerrero on April 15, 2012, 01:59:21 PM
If Durley isn't coming, we are going to either be insanely small in 2014 or have a very young frontline. Not sure how much Durley would change that though.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: strotty on April 15, 2012, 02:02:03 PM
If Durley isn't coming, we are going to either be insanely small in 2014 or have a very young frontline. Not sure how much Durley would change that though.

Way too early to look at where we'll be in 2014. A handful of things can and probably will happen between then and now.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: BCHoopster on April 15, 2012, 02:08:20 PM
Buzz has 2 more years to show recruits what is going on at MU, his ability to coach, recruit, etc.  He will be able to get an elite recruit as the kid could start right away on a pretty good team.

Center - ??
Power Forward - S Taylor
Small Forward -  Burton, Ferguson, Anderson
2 guard - Mayo, TJ Taylor
Point - D Wilson, D Wilson

Add Looney in 2014, bring in a JC big, another banger and MU will be fine, add Stone in 2015, and MU could be really good.  Send Durley to JC for 2 years and he will have some experinece
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: Ellenson Guerrero on April 15, 2012, 02:08:56 PM
Doesn't mean it shouldn't be considered. Yes things can happen, but 6'10 guys don't just appear out of nowhere.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: The Equalizer on April 15, 2012, 02:25:52 PM

Lets look at this pragmatically.

We have Otule who has been injured for 3 of his 4 years on campus.
We have Gardner, who has been injured 2 of 2.  

I wouldn't want to bet on these two making it through an entire season without an injury to at least one of them.

No matter what one thinks of Durley's quality, the bottom line is that he could shore up a thin big-man depth chart that is injury-prone to start with.  
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: strotty on April 15, 2012, 02:29:47 PM
Doesn't mean it shouldn't be considered. Yes things can happen, but 6'10 guys don't just appear out of nowhere.

And Buzz isn't going to make decisions about the roster without thinking years in advance. You recruit for four years, not just one. If Buzz has taught us anything, it's that if he makes a recruiting decision...it's probably the right one.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: Jay Bee on April 15, 2012, 02:34:48 PM
Need to add a 6'10" guy for this season.  Just imagine how our season would be destroyed if both Otule and Gardner were out with injury!! 
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: Ellenson Guerrero on April 15, 2012, 02:39:46 PM
And Buzz isn't going to make decisions about the roster without thinking years in advance. You recruit for four years, not just one. If Buzz has taught us anything, it's that if he makes a recruiting decision...it's probably the right one.

I didn't say Buzz is asleep at the wheel. I do trust that he has things planned out. I'm just pointing out where our plan needs to focus on now. if you are recruiting for four years, I think it makes sense to consider where losing Durley would put our front line in 2014.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: brewcity77 on April 15, 2012, 02:40:46 PM
Durley is not a transfer, never been hear yet.  But he is the obvious one, but I think there is somebody else.

I think Durley is only obvious to people that gripe about his PT. But he's made it very clear he plans on being here, and the LOI locks us into the first year schollie (unlike Newbill, who never signed one).

There's someone else even more obvious. Someone far from home who hasn't found his place in the rotation despite being highly regarded coming in, much like EW a year ago.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: strotty on April 15, 2012, 02:49:05 PM
I didn't say Buzz is asleep at the wheel. I do trust that he has things planned out. I'm just pointing out where our plan needs to focus on now. if you are recruiting for four years, I think it makes sense to consider where losing Durley would put our front line in 2014.

Absolutely, but he's obviously considering what losing Durley would mean based on what he knows about future recruits and classes. And that's even if Durley doesn't come, which is nothing short of a rumor based on one comment from Buzz. I know what you meant, though.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: real chili 83 on April 15, 2012, 02:53:27 PM
I think Durley is only obvious to people that gripe about his PT. But he's made it very clear he plans on being here, and the LOI locks us into the first year schollie (unlike Newbill, who never signed one).

There's someone else even more obvious. Someone far from home who hasn't found his place in the rotation despite being highly regarded coming in, much like EW a year ago.

Seems like we have forgotten how we lamented not having a quality big, and how hard it's was to find them.  They were reserved for the " annointed" programs.

Fast forward to today.  We have Otule and Gardner.  Solid bigs.  Now we can dismiss Durley?

Heck no!  We need this depth.  Having 3 bigs spread out over several classes is a huge accomplishment.  And critical.

I predict Durley will be special.  Very special.  Not only does he have tne native ability, he will be going up every day in practice 2 proven D1 bigs that have vey different skill sets.  That type of development environment is rare and unique.

Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: awilhelmscream on April 15, 2012, 02:56:04 PM
I think Durley is only obvious to people that gripe about his PT. But he's made it very clear he plans on being here, and the LOI locks us into the first year schollie (unlike Newbill, who never signed one).

There's someone else even more obvious. Someone far from home who hasn't found his place in the rotation despite being highly regarded coming in, much like EW a year ago.

Just speculation but I've thought Anderson for a while.  Not only does he look a little lost while he's out there (to be expected to an extent from a freshman) but does anyone else remember when he hurt his shoulder and word was he was going to be out for 4 weeks?  Then does anyone remember Buzz's reaction when he was back the next week?  IIRC, Buzz said something to the extent of "he got hurt and over reacted to the pain". I'm probably reading too far into Buzz's comments about Juan but I get the feeling Buzz doesn't think he's very tough and quite frankly there's no room for someone who's "soft" on a Buzz coached team.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: Silkk the Shaka on April 15, 2012, 03:02:41 PM
I think Durley is only obvious to people that gripe about his PT. But he's made it very clear he plans on being here, and the LOI locks us into the first year schollie (unlike Newbill, who never signed one).

There's someone else even more obvious. Someone far from home who hasn't found his place in the rotation despite being highly regarded coming in, much like EW a year ago.

Newbill definitely signed the LOI.  However, it's only binding if you're admitted to the school, which he never was because he never applied.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: Hoopaloop on April 15, 2012, 03:14:10 PM
I think Durley is only obvious to people that gripe about his PT. But he's made it very clear he plans on being here, and the LOI locks us into the first year schollie (unlike Newbill, who never signed one).

There's someone else even more obvious. Someone far from home who hasn't found his place in the rotation despite being highly regarded coming in, much like EW a year ago.

Newbill never signed one?   If that is the case, then why was he prevented from transferring to a Big East school?

The Milwaukee Journal says MU gave him his release.  If he didn't sign one, why would he be given a release from a document he never signed?  You may be right, but the articles seem off then, including Marquette's own school run website.

http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/041410aab.html

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/97488689.html

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/blog/the_dagger/post/Did-Marquette-put-winning-before-ethics-by-cutti?urn=ncaab,252690


If Durley leaves, he would be the third player that has signed a national letter of intent to Marquette that never made it to campus.  Some don't like that approach, others are ok with it.  I'm ok with transfers, but not to excited about kids signing letters of intent and then not being allowed to show up. 


http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/111208aai.html

http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/110911aae.html

http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/041410aab.html
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: GGGG on April 15, 2012, 03:52:20 PM
Newbill signed his LOI.  He was denied admittance to the school....or maybe he never applied....cannot recall.

And I agree with you Hoop regarding LOIs.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: Jay Bee on April 15, 2012, 04:07:34 PM
Newbill signed his LOI.  He was denied admittance to the school....or maybe he never applied....cannot recall.

And I agree with you Hoop regarding LOIs.

Newbill did not complete his application.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: GGGG on April 15, 2012, 04:12:07 PM
Newbill did not complete his application.

Yeah that's right.  He was told not to.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: MattyWarrior on April 15, 2012, 04:12:31 PM
Someone even more obvious that hates the weather, why that could only be Juan Anderson you're talkin about
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: MuMark on April 15, 2012, 04:14:34 PM
Newbill did indeed sign an LOI....he just never applied to school for whatever reason.

MU asked for and he signed a release from the LOI.

I think Durley is only obvious to people that gripe about his PT. But he's made it very clear he plans on being here, and the LOI locks us into the first year schollie (unlike Newbill, who never signed one).

There's someone else even more obvious. Someone far from home who hasn't found his place in the rotation despite being highly regarded coming in, much like EW a year ago.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: Lighthouse 84 on April 15, 2012, 04:24:52 PM
Someone even more obvious that hates the weather, why that could only be Juan Anderson you're talkin about

I too think it's not Juan but someone else from a warm weather state who has not found his way onto the floor as much as he'd like or as much as many thought he would.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: mr.MUskie on April 15, 2012, 04:28:16 PM
Are you talking about the girls on campus or the Milwaukee weather?  :D



Many are cold but few are frozen.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: mr.MUskie on April 15, 2012, 04:38:07 PM
I too think it's not Juan but someone else from a warm weather state who has not found his way onto the floor as much as he'd like or as much as many thought he would.


Must be DWil.  Alaska is pretty warm, right?
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: 🏀 on April 15, 2012, 04:59:18 PM
The Hank Raymonds Sportmanship award is like a plague.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: brewcity77 on April 15, 2012, 07:00:00 PM
Newbill did not complete his application.

That's right...I was forgetting which technicality left him out.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: Dawson Rental on April 15, 2012, 07:40:02 PM
Huh?  Rodney Hood is at Mississippi State, not Michigan State.  Nothing perennial about them.

I never said that Mississippi state was perennial top ten, I was talking about his next stop.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: Dawson Rental on April 15, 2012, 07:46:12 PM
Just speculation but I've thought Anderson for a while.  Not only does he look a little lost while he's out there (to be expected to an extent from a freshman) but does anyone else remember when he hurt his shoulder and word was he was going to be out for 4 weeks?  Then does anyone remember Buzz's reaction when he was back the next week?  IIRC, Buzz said something to the extent of "he got hurt and over reacted to the pain". I'm probably reading too far into Buzz's comments about Juan but I get the feeling Buzz doesn't think he's very tough and quite frankly there's no room for someone who's "soft" on a Buzz coached team.

You are.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: strotty on April 15, 2012, 08:14:06 PM
You are.

Amen.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: DomJamesToTheBasket on April 15, 2012, 08:26:01 PM
Just speculation but I've thought Anderson for a while.  Not only does he look a little lost while he's out there (to be expected to an extent from a freshman) but does anyone else remember when he hurt his shoulder and word was he was going to be out for 4 weeks?  Then does anyone remember Buzz's reaction when he was back the next week?  IIRC, Buzz said something to the extent of "he got hurt and over reacted to the pain". I'm probably reading too far into Buzz's comments about Juan but I get the feeling Buzz doesn't think he's very tough and quite frankly there's no room for someone who's "soft" on a Buzz coached team.

Definitely reading into it too much.  I think Juan left a lot of fans with unusually high expectations due to his insane highlight reel and description as the best wing from the West coast.  He actually had a quality Freshman year.  Got into a lot of games.  Rebounded quite well and had some nice stretches on D.  Would have loved to seen more from him,  but let's remember he was playing on a top 10 team.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: MU82 on April 15, 2012, 09:29:23 PM
Seems like we have forgotten how we lamented not having a quality big, and how hard it's was to find them.  They were reserved for the " annointed" programs.

Fast forward to today.  We have Otule and Gardner.  Solid bigs.  Now we can dismiss Durley?

Heck no!  We need this depth.  Having 3 bigs spread out over several classes is a huge accomplishment.  And critical.

I predict Durley will be special.  Very special.  Not only does he have tne native ability, he will be going up every day in practice 2 proven D1 bigs that have vey different skill sets.  That type of development environment is rare and unique.



I don't know enough about Durley to predict anything meaningful about him, and I'm guessing you don't, either. He might be special. He might be a bust. He might be a solid but unspectacular contributor. He might be a bench-warmer. How anybody could say anything with such certaintude given his body of work is a mystery.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: Dawson Rental on April 15, 2012, 10:11:01 PM
I don't know enough about Durley to predict anything meaningful about him, and I'm guessing you don't, either. He might be special. He might be a bust. He might be a solid but unspectacular contributor. He might be a bench-warmer. How anybody could say anything with such certaintude given his body of work is a mystery.

What can be predicted with 100% certainty, is that he will be at least 6'10" with a big body, not a skinny frame.  Given that, it just seems to make sense to try and develop him.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: real chili 83 on April 15, 2012, 11:29:48 PM
I don't know enough about Durley to predict anything meaningful about him, and I'm guessing you don't, either. He might be special. He might be a bust. He might be a solid but unspectacular contributor. He might be a bench-warmer. How anybody could say anything with such certaintude given his body of work is a mystery.

My comments are a leap.  But, in Buzz, I trust.

Durley had a 90+ fastball as a young teenager. The guy has skills.

He's committed to a coach that's put a few players into the NBA as FIRST round picks.

This same coach has picked him to be a Warrior.

Durley will show up, and take Ox to a new level, once they start banging in practice.  Look for a much more improved OX next year.

Durley will be special. 

To borrow a post from our pal Goose, we will have the f***cin  horses in the near future to make a serious run.

Mix it up boys, mix it good.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: strotty on April 16, 2012, 12:27:37 AM
What can be predicted with 100% certainty, is that he will be at least 6'10" with a big body, not a skinny frame.  Given that, it just seems to make sense to try and develop him.

Which is more than Otule had. I'm excited to watch him progress at MU.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: jeffreyweee on April 16, 2012, 12:30:34 AM
This whole giving every possible hint to who might be transferring without saying their name thing is stupid. If you're going to hint at who it is you might as well just say it because everyone knows who you're referring too.

Personally I hope Jamail, and everyone else for that matter, stick with the Warriors. I still think he's going to be a great player by the time he leaves if he sticks around.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: Aughnanure on April 16, 2012, 09:16:33 AM
I don't want any transfers, but if it's Juan I would be especially disappointed. His game has a higher ceiling than anyone else on the team.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: Canadian Dimes on April 16, 2012, 09:21:37 AM
Which is more than Otule had. I'm excited to watch him progress at MU.


dont forget 2 eyeballs
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: GOO on April 16, 2012, 10:41:25 AM
Does anyone know where that picture was taken?  Looks like a nice place, based upon the tastful wall color and artwork  :)
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: Lennys Tap on April 16, 2012, 11:21:54 AM
My comments are a leap.  But, in Buzz, I trust.

Durley had a 90+ fastball as a young teenager.



If Durley threw 90+ at 13 or 14 we wouldn't be talkin about him as a basketball player - he'd be in the NYY farm system as the heir apparent to Mariano Rivera. Giving a guy with more DNPs than points as a high school senior legendary status in multiple sports is a little over the top, aina'?
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: wadesworld on April 16, 2012, 11:31:05 AM
I don't want any transfers, but if it's Juan I would be especially disappointed. His game has a higher ceiling than anyone else on the team.

Jamil, Todd, Vander
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: National Champs on April 16, 2012, 02:21:44 PM
If Durley threw 90+ at 13 or 14 we wouldn't be talkin about him as a basketball player - he'd be in the NYY farm system as the heir apparent to Mariano Rivera. Giving a guy with more DNPs than points as a high school senior legendary status in multiple sports is a little over the top, aina'?

This photo is pretty legendary
(http://recruitsnationwide.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/aaaaaa.jpg)
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: esotericmindguy on April 16, 2012, 02:37:31 PM

dont forget 2 eyeballs

Nice. Brutal but solid commentary.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: Aughnanure on April 16, 2012, 02:42:00 PM
Jamil, Todd, Vander

Disagree.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: Benny B on April 16, 2012, 03:55:07 PM
If Durley threw 90+ at 13 or 14 we wouldn't be talkin about him as a basketball player - he'd be in the NYY farm system as the heir apparent to Mariano Rivera. Giving a guy with more DNPs than points as a high school senior legendary status in multiple sports is a little over the top, aina'?

Who said a "young" teenager is only 13 or 14?  Every teenager is young to me, and I'm not even middle aged.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: Lennys Tap on April 16, 2012, 04:08:00 PM
Who said a "young" teenager is only 13 or 14?  Every teenager is young to me, and I'm not even middle aged.

50 is young to me. That said, if someone can be in his "early teens" or "late teens" (or 20's, 30's etc.), doesn't it make sense that one who qualifies a teenager as a young one means early and not late teens? After all, Durley is still in his teens and the poster was obviously referring to a time in the past.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: Hoopaloop on April 16, 2012, 05:10:09 PM

And I agree with you Hoop regarding LOIs.

You and I are probably just a few.  Commitment should be a two way thing.  Releasing someone from a letter before they come to campus limits their options for that season in a number of ways.  They cannot transfer within that same conference (if conference has that rule), scholarship opportunities may be gone, they look like they could be damaged goods because the original school dropped them at the last minute.

From a NCAA perspective, I believe they should force schools to honor letters of intent for that first year.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: Lennys Tap on April 16, 2012, 06:18:23 PM
You and I are probably just a few.  Commitment should be a two way thing.  Releasing someone from a letter before they come to campus limits their options for that season in a number of ways.  They cannot transfer within that same conference (if conference has that rule), scholarship opportunities may be gone, they look like they could be damaged goods because the original school dropped them at the last minute.

From a NCAA perspective, I believe they should force schools to honor letters of intent for that first year.

So you think Roseboro should have been forced to stay at MU even though it was clear to him after a couple of weeks on campus that he was in way over his head? That's cold, man.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: jesmu84 on April 16, 2012, 06:20:11 PM
You and I are probably just a few.  Commitment should be a two way thing.  Releasing someone from a letter before they come to campus limits their options for that season in a number of ways.  They cannot transfer within that same conference (if conference has that rule), scholarship opportunities may be gone, they look like they could be damaged goods because the original school dropped them at the last minute.

From a NCAA perspective, I believe they should force schools to honor letters of intent for that first year.

Not that I disagree with you, but what about kids transferring out at the last second, or midyear, or anything else? Mbakwe comes to mind in regards to MU

Slightly related... I do like the idea that's been tossed around by the NCAA of schools being able to offer multi-year scholarships up front. Not sure how that would effect MU, but it seems like it could entice certain recruits.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: Goose on April 16, 2012, 06:25:26 PM
Kids leaving program on their own is actually more harmful to program than other way around in many cases. Many times coaches are doing a kid a favor by giving them walking papers. Do think it is very important to be handled with class and walk the kid through the reasoning behind decision. To have a kid in over his head is not fair to kid.

My only gripe with Buzz is he might make too many offers to kids and gets caught with pants down. He is not yet in position to cherry pick his list and I think he is playing the game perfectly.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: GGGG on April 16, 2012, 06:51:52 PM
You and I are probably just a few.  Commitment should be a two way thing.  Releasing someone from a letter before they come to campus limits their options for that season in a number of ways.  They cannot transfer within that same conference (if conference has that rule), scholarship opportunities may be gone, they look like they could be damaged goods because the original school dropped them at the last minute.

From a NCAA perspective, I believe they should force schools to honor letters of intent for that first year.


They already do.  That doesn't mean that schools can't find a way to get around it...like they did with Newbill.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: JTBMU7 on April 16, 2012, 07:27:28 PM
the bottom line is that college basketball recruiting might be the grossest thing ever... aau circuits, agents, holding players back, sleezbag college coaches, limelight grubbing parnets... yuck. MU is not above any of it, they just arent as bad as most, i think...

the reality is few people will care if you win. the recruiting cycle is an accepted part of the game and everyone just plays their part...
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: jesmu84 on April 16, 2012, 08:18:34 PM
the bottom line is that college basketball recruiting might be the grossest thing ever... aau circuits, agents, holding players back, sleezbag college coaches, limelight grubbing parnets... yuck. MU is not above any of it, they just arent as bad as most, i think...

the reality is few people will care if you win. the recruiting cycle is an accepted part of the game and everyone just plays their part...

i literally have no info, but is BB recruiting worse than FB?
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on April 16, 2012, 08:32:54 PM
i literally have no info, but is BB recruiting worse than FB?

No chance.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: MU82 on April 16, 2012, 10:07:18 PM

Durley had a 90+ fastball as a young teenager. The guy has skills.


Are you sure it wasn't 100+? And maybe he was a .600 hitter, too. And, sources say, he could leap tall buildings in a single bound.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: JTBMU7 on April 16, 2012, 10:45:01 PM
i literally have no info, but is BB recruiting worse than FB?
not even close. for a few main reasons...

1) Hoops has a private circuit, AAU and travel teams, this adds so much sleez to the process. When you recruit a football player, you essentially deal with his high school coach and parents, not really anyone else who would be involved. When you go after a BB kid, you have parents, AAU coaches, high school coaches, etc... who all know what's best more than you do.
2) kids in high school hoops are so much closer to the pros than in FB. football players know they have no option but to go to college for 3-4 years and may need to put in their work on the bench for 2 years before getting a chance to make their case for the draft.
3) High school hoops players have 3-4 options depending on their situation: D1, JuCo, Prep, or even Europe. You really have to GET the players as opposed to them coming to you...

compare that to players in the the BCS title game, LSU vs Bama... 90% of the players on each team were from their home team's state OR a neighboring/regional state. Look at MU's roster. WV, Cali, Florida, Alaska, Wisco, Texas, Toronto... Those D linemne from Stanktown AL were recruited by maybe 4 schools, Auburn and AL and two other local Alabama schools, and they went to Bama/Aub. A kid like Jamil Wilson is being called on by teams from Wisconsin to Oregon. And he wasnt even an "elite" guy...

So, in closing, college hoops recruiting is really gross.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: dgies9156 on April 16, 2012, 10:54:14 PM
not even close. for a few main reasons...

compare that to players in the the BCS title game, LSU vs Bama... 90% of the players on each team were from their home team's state OR a neighboring/regional state. Look at MU's roster. WV, Cali, Florida, Alaska, Wisco, Texas, Toronto... Those D linemne from Stanktown AL were recruited by maybe 4 schools, Auburn and AL and two other local Alabama schools, and they went to Bama/Aub. A kid like Jamil Wilson is being called on by teams from Wisconsin to Oregon. And he wasnt even an "elite" guy..


Look, of the 10 players starting in the NCAA Championship game, none were from Kentucky or Kansas, both historical basketball hotbeds. In fact, only one of Kansas' starters was from even close to Kansas -- Kansas City, MO. Only one of Kentucky's was from anywhere near Kentucky -- Indiana. Look it up!

By contrast, of our starters, at least two were from Wisconsin. Vander and Jamil Wilson. We're recruiting in Wisconsin as well as nationally and seem to be finding NCAA caliber talent here at home. Moreover, Marquette's traditional territory has been Catholic schools from the East and Midwest and we continue to do OK in these as well. Not sure how much of our bench was cheeseheads and flatlanders, but I'll bet there were a few.

You can argue about the coverage we got last year, but you can't argue that Marquette is sticking to its roots. I'm happy that our roots now reach Texas, but if there is a quality player from Wisconsin, you can bet Buzz is on it.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: Dawson Rental on April 16, 2012, 11:05:10 PM
My comments are a leap.  But, in Buzz, I trust.

Durley had a 90+ fastball as a young teenager. The guy has skills.


So, what you're saying is that he'll be light years ahead of where Yancy Gates was as a senior in one respect.  When he throws a basketball at an opposing player some serious damage will get done.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: wadesworld on April 16, 2012, 11:28:59 PM
not even close. for a few main reasons...

1) Hoops has a private circuit, AAU and travel teams, this adds so much sleez to the process. When you recruit a football player, you essentially deal with his high school coach and parents, not really anyone else who would be involved. When you go after a BB kid, you have parents, AAU coaches, high school coaches, etc... who all know what's best more than you do.
2) kids in high school hoops are so much closer to the pros than in FB. football players know they have no option but to go to college for 3-4 years and may need to put in their work on the bench for 2 years before getting a chance to make their case for the draft.
3) High school hoops players have 3-4 options depending on their situation: D1, JuCo, Prep, or even Europe. You really have to GET the players as opposed to them coming to you...

compare that to players in the the BCS title game, LSU vs Bama... 90% of the players on each team were from their home team's state OR a neighboring/regional state. Look at MU's roster. WV, Cali, Florida, Alaska, Wisco, Texas, Toronto... Those D linemne from Stanktown AL were recruited by maybe 4 schools, Auburn and AL and two other local Alabama schools, and they went to Bama/Aub. A kid like Jamil Wilson is being called on by teams from Wisconsin to Oregon. And he wasnt even an "elite" guy...

So, in closing, college hoops recruiting is really gross.


Haha, no.  In college football boosters, boosters, and more boosters are involved, much, much, much more than in basketball.  That is where the most sleeze, by far, is found in recruiting of any sport.  (Most/smart) Coaches will not get involved in the sleeze, whether it is basketball or football.  It happens through people that are not "involved" in the programs.

You're acting like high level college football recruits do not have a "circle" of "hangers on," do not think ahead to making money in the game, and do not have big heads.  You really think big time football coaches just go into a top recruits house and tell them "We have 2 quarterbacks ahead of you on our depth chart for the next 2 years, but you can't go to the NFL after that anyways so it's OK, and we're the state school so you aren't leaving the state, so come play for me!" and the recruit's like "OK cool coach!"  No.  These kids are the cockiest of cocky kids and have hundreds of people talking into their ears.

The reason schools like Alabama and LSU have all in-state kids is because those are recruiting hot-beds and those are the best football schools in the country.  The south is where high school football (and college) is LIFE.  If I'm a big-time college football recruit, whether I am from Alabama or Alaska, chances are Alabama and LSU are somewhere high on my list.  Alabama has a ton of top players, so why would those kids leave when they know they can win National Championships and get to the NFL by staying close to home?  It would be like if Kentucky had 30 of the top 150 recruits in basketball.  Do you think those kids are going to be going all over?  These football players are recruited by EVERY school in the country.  It's not like USC is sitting there saying "Well, this top ranked QB is from Florida, so we're not going to recruit him."  Absolutely not.

Football is as dirty as it gets.  And it's not even close.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: Hards Alumni on April 17, 2012, 07:09:25 AM
Haha, no.  In college football boosters, boosters, and more boosters are involved, much, much, much more than in basketball.  That is where the most sleeze, by far, is found in recruiting of any sport.  (Most/smart) Coaches will not get involved in the sleeze, whether it is basketball or football.  It happens through people that are not "involved" in the programs.

You're acting like high level college football recruits do not have a "circle" of "hangers on," do not think ahead to making money in the game, and do not have big heads.  You really think big time football coaches just go into a top recruits house and tell them "We have 2 quarterbacks ahead of you on our depth chart for the next 2 years, but you can't go to the NFL after that anyways so it's OK, and we're the state school so you aren't leaving the state, so come play for me!" and the recruit's like "OK cool coach!"  No.  These kids are the cockiest of cocky kids and have hundreds of people talking into their ears.

The reason schools like Alabama and LSU have all in-state kids is because those are recruiting hot-beds and those are the best football schools in the country.  The south is where high school football (and college) is LIFE.  If I'm a big-time college football recruit, whether I am from Alabama or Alaska, chances are Alabama and LSU are somewhere high on my list.  Alabama has a ton of top players, so why would those kids leave when they know they can win National Championships and get to the NFL by staying close to home?  It would be like if Kentucky had 30 of the top 150 recruits in basketball.  Do you think those kids are going to be going all over?  These football players are recruited by EVERY school in the country.  It's not like USC is sitting there saying "Well, this top ranked QB is from Florida, so we're not going to recruit him."  Absolutely not.

Football is as dirty as it gets.  And it's not even close.

Agreed, and there are about 10x as many football fans as there are CBB fans.  And the money aspect isn't even close.

CFB is so far ahead of CBB in scum it isn't even close.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on April 17, 2012, 08:30:18 AM
For those of you who follow recruiting pretty closely, is there any new information on Marquette and Lockett? He seems to be to be a perfect fit, and a great opportunity to immediately replace DJO's scoring. I know UMN is interested, and is probably Trent's first choice, but they are already a scholorship over.

I would hate to see a transfer, and as some others have said, I sure as sh!t hope it isnt Anderson (he's going to be a stud). But, this is one of those rare oppotunities that you just have to make it work. This is all assuming that he would for sure be given the waiver to play this coming year.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: Lennys Tap on April 17, 2012, 08:33:00 AM
Are you sure it wasn't 100+? And maybe he was a .600 hitter, too. And, sources say, he could leap tall buildings in a single bound.


Durley = Sid Finch
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: JTBMU7 on April 17, 2012, 08:37:00 AM
Haha, no.  In college football boosters, boosters, and more boosters are involved, much, much, much more than in basketball.  That is where the most sleeze, by far, is found in recruiting of any sport.  (Most/smart) Coaches will not get involved in the sleeze, whether it is basketball or football.  It happens through people that are not "involved" in the programs.

You're acting like high level college football recruits do not have a "circle" of "hangers on," do not think ahead to making money in the game, and do not have big heads.  You really think big time football coaches just go into a top recruits house and tell them "We have 2 quarterbacks ahead of you on our depth chart for the next 2 years, but you can't go to the NFL after that anyways so it's OK, and we're the state school so you aren't leaving the state, so come play for me!" and the recruit's like "OK cool coach!"  No.  These kids are the cockiest of cocky kids and have hundreds of people talking into their ears.

The reason schools like Alabama and LSU have all in-state kids is because those are recruiting hot-beds and those are the best football schools in the country.  The south is where high school football (and college) is LIFE.  If I'm a big-time college football recruit, whether I am from Alabama or Alaska, chances are Alabama and LSU are somewhere high on my list.  Alabama has a ton of top players, so why would those kids leave when they know they can win National Championships and get to the NFL by staying close to home?  It would be like if Kentucky had 30 of the top 150 recruits in basketball.  Do you think those kids are going to be going all over?  These football players are recruited by EVERY school in the country.  It's not like USC is sitting there saying "Well, this top ranked QB is from Florida, so we're not going to recruit him."  Absolutely not.

Football is as dirty as it gets.  And it's not even close.
I don’t disagree with you that football recruiting is dirty as well, they’re both ugly, but basketball is still worse. Boosters are not the same as AAU coaches, they have nothing to do with access to a player, they just help buy them off/cover it up. I’m not talking about a kid’s entourage or hangers-on, I’m talking about coaches, who essentially have ownership of these kids, and can influence a player’s decision one way or another.

How is it that we know the names of all the best AAU teams, and most of the times, the names of their coaches/owners? that kind of circuit just doesn’t exist in CFB recruiting, or at least not to the same extent due to there being 50x more players that need to be brought on.

Also, you are off base on the football talent in the south. Yes there is an abundance of it, but the places that most SEC kids are coming out of are not recruited by anyone else outside of the SEC/ACC… Marcell Dareus? Came from Birmingham, had offers from Auburn, Bama, Clemson, Arkansas… Julio Jones? Came from Foley Alabama, had offers from Bama, Auburn, FL, FSU, LSU… How about biggest recruits from the north? Terrell Pryor, OSU, UM , PSU…. Just a few examples, but trust me, big ten coaches are not taking trips to Foley AL to check out linemen or receivers… nor is Saban/Miles coming up to Aliquippa for anyone either.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: real chili 83 on April 17, 2012, 08:49:59 AM
Durley = Sid Finch

You might be right ;D.

We should know fairly quickly is he can play.  He has gone through a huge growth spurt in the past couple of years.  He is wearing a size 19 shoe.  Let's see if Buzz can mold him. 

Everything I read is that this kid has his head on straight.  I love it when our team has the problem of how to develop three bigs at the same time.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: JWags85 on April 17, 2012, 10:10:15 AM
I don’t disagree with you that football recruiting is dirty as well, they’re both ugly, but basketball is still worse. Boosters are not the same as AAU coaches, they have nothing to do with access to a player, they just help buy them off/cover it up. I’m not talking about a kid’s entourage or hangers-on, I’m talking about coaches, who essentially have ownership of these kids, and can influence a player’s decision one way or another.

How is it that we know the names of all the best AAU teams, and most of the times, the names of their coaches/owners? that kind of circuit just doesn’t exist in CFB recruiting, or at least not to the same extent due to there being 50x more players that need to be brought on.

Also, you are off base on the football talent in the south. Yes there is an abundance of it, but the places that most SEC kids are coming out of are not recruited by anyone else outside of the SEC/ACC… Marcell Dareus? Came from Birmingham, had offers from Auburn, Bama, Clemson, Arkansas… Julio Jones? Came from Foley Alabama, had offers from Bama, Auburn, FL, FSU, LSU… How about biggest recruits from the north? Terrell Pryor, OSU, UM , PSU…. Just a few examples, but trust me, big ten coaches are not taking trips to Foley AL to check out linemen or receivers… nor is Saban/Miles coming up to Aliquippa for anyone either.


College basketball is way more wide open year to year than college football.  Preseason top 5 teams have a much easier time getting to a national championship than in CBB.  As a result those schools are way more effective in putting up a fence around their talent.

Remember Mark Ingram, little Heisman winner for Bama?  Hometown?  Flint, MI.  Stay in state, UW has long gotten their linemen and linebackers from the Midwest and gotten skill players from the South in places like Florida.  Football isn't nearly as provincial as you want to make it out to be.

You want another contributing factor?  Some of this kids from the South were playing in front of 25K people regularly all through HS.  That sort of ego is just as pervasive as an AAU coach.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: Abode4life on April 17, 2012, 10:23:50 AM
I don't really pay attention to college football recruiting, but has anyone ever read "Play Their Hearts Out"?  Its about the AAU circuit and recruiting/agents/runners.  It was a REALLY interesting book and i would highly suggest it.

http://georgedohrmann.com/play-their-hearts-out

Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: MU82 on April 17, 2012, 10:29:27 AM
You might be right ;D.

We should know fairly quickly is he can play.  He has gone through a huge growth spurt in the past couple of years.  He is wearing a size 19 shoe.  Let's see if Buzz can mold him. 

Everything I read is that this kid has his head on straight.  I love it when our team has the problem of how to develop three bigs at the same time.

Of course, it also would be swell if we had a big who was already mostly developed! In due time, perhaps ...
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: THEultimateWARRIOR on April 17, 2012, 11:53:44 AM
Can we get back on topic? The thread is about Buzz & Trent Lockett. Buzz met with him so there has got to be someone with insider information about this.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: real chili 83 on April 17, 2012, 12:26:55 PM
Can we get back on topic? The thread is about Buzz & Trent Lockett. Buzz met with him so there has got to be someone with insider information about this.

Here's a link to a thread on this from the Gopherhole.  They don't think he is coming to MN.
http://www.forums.gopherhole.com/boards/showthread.php?37220-Trent-Lockett-granted-release-to-be-quot-closer-to-home-quot-UPDATED-(4-10)-Marq-Leading
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: THEultimateWARRIOR on April 17, 2012, 01:16:50 PM
Here's a link to a thread on this from the Gopherhole.  They don't think he is coming to MN.
http://www.forums.gopherhole.com/boards/showthread.php?37220-Trent-Lockett-granted-release-to-be-quot-closer-to-home-quot-UPDATED-(4-10)-Marq-Leading
Thanks chili, I noticed that the Badgers were recruiting him out of high school and with the latest transfer do you think the Badgers have a shot? I really like how quick Buzz got on this. Looks like he beat most to the punch.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: muhoops1 on April 17, 2012, 03:48:31 PM
So has Lockett picked MU?
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: THEultimateWARRIOR on April 17, 2012, 06:54:06 PM
So has Lockett picked MU?
GOOD QUESTION
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: 🏀 on April 17, 2012, 07:23:55 PM
GOOD QUESTION

HE CAN'T PICK ANY SCHOOL UNTIL HE IS DONE AT ASU.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: THEultimateWARRIOR on April 17, 2012, 09:10:54 PM
HE CAN'T PICK ANY SCHOOL UNTIL HE IS DONE AT ASU.
Thanks for the clarification I was wondering this.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: GGGG on April 17, 2012, 09:13:23 PM
HE CAN'T PICK ANY SCHOOL UNTIL HE IS DONE AT ASU.


Well, he can unofficially.  (See Russell Wilson at UW last year and David O'Brien this year.)
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: esotericmindguy on April 17, 2012, 09:18:32 PM
Right, but probably in bad taste before semester ends and transfer is announced.

And PTM, aren't some jokes off limits? Hate to be a prude but pretty sacrelig.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on April 17, 2012, 09:23:05 PM
Lockett is down to MU and ISU under most indications.  Too bad Bo didn't allow ISU to sign UW's transfer out.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on April 17, 2012, 09:45:35 PM
Has anyone ever actually seen this guy play?  I realize he was king turd of the  septic tank that is ASU basketball...doesn't automatically mean he'll be able to do the same things here.  Just curious as i had never heard of him prior to this thread and have never seen him play.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: 🏀 on April 17, 2012, 09:53:56 PM
Right, but probably in bad taste before semester ends and transfer is announced.

And PTM, aren't some jokes off limits? Hate to be a prude but pretty sacrelig.

Really?
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: Hards Alumni on April 18, 2012, 06:33:20 AM
Right, but probably in bad taste before semester ends and transfer is announced.

And PTM, aren't some jokes off limits? Hate to be a prude but pretty sacrelig.

If you think that is offensive, you are a prude, and you probably enjoy being one.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: 🏀 on April 18, 2012, 09:15:34 AM
If you think that is offensive, you are a prude, and you probably enjoy being one.

I mean, it's a little larger than I would like.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on April 18, 2012, 10:18:22 AM
Has anyone ever actually seen this guy play?  I realize he was king turd of the  septic tank that is ASU basketball...doesn't automatically mean he'll be able to do the same things here.  Just curious as i had never heard of him prior to this thread and have never seen him play.

Dude is pretty good. He would start. If you can get him, you do. It's not like he was putting those numbers up in the SWAC.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: THEultimateWARRIOR on April 18, 2012, 12:07:20 PM
The optimistic view I have is that he will excel with a better supporting cast around him and a much better coach. You never know who's going to succeed in Buzz's uptempo game. He could breakthrough into a game changer.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: brewcity77 on April 18, 2012, 12:09:28 PM
Dude is pretty good. He would start. If you can get him, you do. It's not like he was putting those numbers up in the SWAC.

I don't know...was the Pac-12 that much better than the SWAC last year?  ;D
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: Henry Sugar on April 18, 2012, 12:19:06 PM
Lockett's efficiency wasn't very good last year.  He was an average efficiency player (100).

Most of this seems to be because he coughs the ball up too much (25%).  Of course, ASU as a team was one of the worst in the country at protecting the ball, so perhaps some of this is scheme.  As an additional plus, his eFG% is very strong, his steals rate is high, and he gets to the line at a high rate.

The best comparable I can find is Dwight Buycks with better defense and ability to draw the foul, but not as good a passer/assist man.

*If* he shows up, my hope is that Buzz's emphasis on protecting the ball translates into higher efficiency numbers.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on April 18, 2012, 12:28:15 PM
Lockett's efficiency wasn't very good last year.  He was an average efficiency player (100).

Most of this seems to be because he coughs the ball up too much (25%).  Of course, ASU as a team was one of the worst in the country at protecting the ball, so perhaps some of this is scheme.  As an additional plus, his eFG% is very strong, his steals rate is high, and he gets to the line at a high rate.

The best comparable I can find is Dwight Buycks with better defense and ability to draw the foul, but not as good a passer/assist man.

*If* he shows up, my hope is that Buzz's emphasis on protecting the ball translates into higher efficiency numbers.

Sug, do you think his efficiency would increase with a reduced usage rate? Easier for him to protect the ball if he doesn't have it, and/or isn't the one trying to create offensively.

The eFG% is exciting to me, as I think MU could use an efficient scorer for next year.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: strotty on April 18, 2012, 12:42:09 PM
Sug, do you think his efficiency would increase with a reduced usage rate? Easier for him to protect the ball if he doesn't have it, and/or isn't the one trying to create offensively.

The eFG% is exciting to me, as I think MU could use an efficient scorer for next year.

He's obviously polished, but that low(er) efficiency rate most likely had to do with trying to force. I'll admit I have never seen him play, but he seems to be best attacking the basket, making him an excellent candidate to play off the wing in MU's offense.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: Hoopaloop on April 18, 2012, 01:59:39 PM
If you think that is offensive, you are a prude, and you probably enjoy being one.

Or maybe he doesn't think that line should be drawn.  Doesn't everyone have a different line?  Let's be tolerant of all people's views, right?  Not just the ones you agree with.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: JakeBarnes on April 18, 2012, 02:24:30 PM
Or maybe he doesn't think that line should be drawn.  Doesn't everyone have a different line?  Let's be tolerant of all people's views, right?  Not just the ones you agree with.

Nobody F***s with the Jesus.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: Skatastrophy on April 18, 2012, 02:32:10 PM
Nobody F***s with the Jesus.

Eight year olds, Dude.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: THEultimateWARRIOR on April 18, 2012, 05:01:12 PM
Hes visiting MU today and tomorrow. Hopefully Buzz can lock this up.
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: Hards Alumni on April 18, 2012, 05:14:06 PM
Or maybe he doesn't think that line should be drawn.  Doesn't everyone have a different line?  Let's be tolerant of all people's views, right?  Not just the ones you agree with.


What I am getting at is that if he finds that offensive he should probably disconnect his internet and move to Montana.  Everyone may have those own line, but if we are to try to respect everybodys line then we should throw humor and jest out the window.

Perhaps you two might find a tea party with the other no-fun-niks. ;-)
Title: Re: Buzz & Trent Lockett
Post by: wadesworld on April 18, 2012, 06:06:05 PM


What I am getting at is that if he finds that offensive he should probably disconnect his internet and move to Montana.  Everyone may have those own line, but if we are to try to respect everybodys line then we should throw humor and jest out the window.

Perhaps you two might find a tea party with the other no-fun-niks. ;-)

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