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Calipari checks off the National Title on his bucket list! Cal to the Knicks? Buzz Williams to UK? Shaka to Marquette? Boom...boom...boom!
Would he really be #1 on their list? Scott Drew seems to utilize their same "style", I would think he would be near or at the top with Buzz and maybe Wright.
Buzz would be #1 on any school list that wants to recruit NC caliber type players. If Buzz can recruite E8 players at MU he can get anybody to UK.
It would suck for Buzz or the next coach to have to face the sanctions at UK that Cal will be running from...
Think this is far from being a real story at this time. What would really suck if this happened would be seeing our dream team playing in Kentucky in two or three years. High, high hopes from this fan that in two years we are talking about a very special team.
UK had been taking care of players for as long as I can remember and seldom get caught. It is a special place in college hoops and they do know how to support a program. Usually hate the place but really enjoyed watching this team play over last few months.
Quote from: BrewCity BallCrusher on April 03, 2012, 08:01:15 AM
It would suck for Buzz or the next coach to have to face the sanctions at UK that Cal will be running from...
+1 I cant wait to see how long it takes for them to get stripped of this national championship because of NCAA violations.
My cousin and his wife and her whole family are UK alums and huge supporters. I asked them how they felt about the assumption that Kentucky is cheating and their response was, oh we know it goes on but don't care because we won the national championship. Plus they think the cheating is pretty covert so it'd be tough to prove it enough to take away the NC. Very matter of fact, it was kind of funny.
I've gotten to the point where I want some huge scandal now because the NCAA is so fouled up we need something catastrophic to blow the whole thing up and start over.
UK has been doing things differently for years and this is how it goes down there. I remember hearing about Kyle Macy's summer job in the stables thirty years ago. If you think that the NCAA has not tried for years to bust these guys you are kidding yourself. At this point why would they need to cheat? Every top recruit gets maximum exposure and will be first round draft pick in a year or two. Landscape has changed and they are the breading ground for future millionaires.
Schools that need to cheat are the Baylors or Memphis type schools. They are promising hopeful draft picks and that is different thing. If you are only recruiting one and dones there is zero reason to cheat.
Quote from: mu03eng on April 03, 2012, 08:22:25 AM
My cousin and his wife and her whole family are UK alums and huge supporters. I asked them how they felt about the assumption that Kentucky is cheating and their response was, oh we know it goes on but don't care because we won the national championship. Plus they think the cheating is pretty covert so it'd be tough to prove it enough to take away the NC. Very matter of fact, it was kind of funny.
I've gotten to the point where I want some huge scandal now because the NCAA is so fouled up we need something catastrophic to blow the whole thing up and start over.
Now that UK won the NC there will be some first rate investigative reporters that will be looking into the program very closely. This would be a monster story. Has any program ever had a National Championship vacated? Final Fours: yes. But it would be a monster, Pullitzer Prize type story.
Quote from: Goose on April 03, 2012, 08:27:50 AM
UK has been doing things differently for years and this is how it goes down there. I remember hearing about Kyle Macy's summer job in the stables thirty years ago. If you think that the NCAA has not tried for years to bust these guys you are kidding yourself. At this point why would they need to cheat? Every top recruit gets maximum exposure and will be first round draft pick in a year or two. Landscape has changed and they are the breading ground for future millionaires.
Schools that need to cheat are the Baylors or Memphis type schools. They are promising hopeful draft picks and that is different thing. If you are only recruiting one and dones there is zero reason to cheat.
Yep, just ask Derrick Rose.
UK isn't the only school whose fans don't care about cheating. The NCAA can strip teams of wins or Final Fours or even National Championships but it really doesn't matter because the experiences were still there.
If it was somehow ruled that Marquette Player X received improper benefits in 2002-03 and MU was forced to vacate the Final Four season, would anyone look upon it differently and pretend like it never happened? Absolutely not! It was still an amazing run and an amazing experience. The NCAA can't take that away.
Quote from: Goose on April 03, 2012, 08:27:50 AM
UK has been doing things differently for years and this is how it goes down there. I remember hearing about Kyle Macy's summer job in the stables thirty years ago. If you think that the NCAA has not tried for years to bust these guys you are kidding yourself. At this point why would they need to cheat? Every top recruit gets maximum exposure and will be first round draft pick in a year or two. Landscape has changed and they are the breading ground for future millionaires.
Schools that need to cheat are the Baylors or Memphis type schools. They are promising hopeful draft picks and that is different thing. If you are only recruiting one and dones there is zero reason to cheat.
Near exact same words a reporter once said regarding Michigan's program.
Merritt,
Correct on Rose but look where he played. Different story at UK. Not saying that things are not dirty down there but the need to be stupid is less. Agreed on the culture of things in college hoops. I am in the minority but would take a year like UK had this year and take my chances any day with NCAA.
Quote from: THEultimateWARRIOR on April 03, 2012, 08:15:34 AM
+1 I cant wait to see how long it takes for them to get stripped of this national championship because of NCAA violations.
Remember that last year the Chicago Sun-Times ran a story that Cal paid Davis' father. The family screamed so loud that the Sun-Times took down the story.
And their were stories that Eric Blodsoe was paid
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/29/sports/ncaabasketball/29recruit.html?_r=1
So Cal did not leave is slimy past in Memphis. And I don't buy the argument that Cal is so big now that he does not have to pay players anymore. Paying and fixing is what he does.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on April 03, 2012, 08:32:43 AM
Yep, just ask Derrick Rose.
Yea, he did play for Calipari. Wonder if Kentucky players have to take the ACT? I'm sure Calipari has hired look-a-likes to take them. Or maybe even clones :o....
Related note ...
The NCAA now has a 30% graduation rule or you cannot play in the tourney. Uconn is getting pinched which is why they are ineligible for post season next year.
NCAA rule says if a player leaves early for the NBA, he doesn't count so long as he finishes the semester. So as long as Kentucky players finish with a D- in basket weaving and then goes pro early, Kentucky is in the clear. Keep the kid for four years and he comes up three credits short of graduating, then you risk getting banned from the tourney.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on April 03, 2012, 08:38:26 AM
Remember that last year the Chicago Sun-Times ran a story that Cal paid Davis' father. The family screamed so loud that the Sun-Times took down the story.
And their were stories that Eric Blodsoe was paid
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/29/sports/ncaabasketball/29recruit.html?_r=1
So Cal did not leave is slimy past in Memphis. And I don't buy the argument that Cal is so big now that he does not have to pay players anymore. Paying and fixing is what he does.
There should be no their there.
Quote from: Jamailman on April 03, 2012, 09:04:28 AM
There should be no their there.
Ok we get that an English teacher spanked you with a ruler and it had a big effect on your life. Should I do a poll about it?
Does anyone think the tweet story actually could happen?
Quote from: Goose on April 03, 2012, 09:16:05 AM
Does anyone think the tweet story actually could happen?
Even if Kentucky was interested in Buzz (which I doubt they would be) why would he go to a place that treated his friend, Gillespie, so poorly?
More interested to see if Cal leaves. I would love to get him out of college basketball. But, the carousel would be spinning again.
Quote from: Goose on April 03, 2012, 09:16:05 AM
Does anyone think the tweet story actually could happen?
There is no way Kentucky would hire Billy Gillespie's former assistant.
Quote from: MarquetteDano on April 03, 2012, 09:19:03 AM
Even if Kentucky was interested in Buzz (which I doubt they would be) why would he go to a place that treated his friend, Gillespie, so poorly?
More interested to see if Cal leaves. I would love to get him out of college basketball. But, the carousel would be spinning again.
Calipari to the NBA
Crean to Kentucky
Stevens to Indiana
??? to Butler
Pastner to KY
Quote from: BrewCity BallCrusher on April 03, 2012, 09:21:53 AM
Calipari to the NBA
Crean to Kentucky
Stevens to Indiana
??? to Butler
+1. I think this would be how things would go. Cal would give Crean a ringing endorsement on his way out the door, and after Indiana was one of only two teams to beat UK all year, this would go over well with the fans. A little IK here, a little IK there, and there it is.
No one really thinks Buzz would be on UK short list if job opened? Maybe I am the only guy that holds Buzz in elite coach status or we all hope his name does not come up.
Quote from: Goose on April 03, 2012, 09:38:12 AMNo one really thinks Buzz would be on UK short list if job opened? Maybe I am the only guy that holds Buzz in elite coach status or we all hope his name does not come up.
I think Buzz would be on the short list. That's one job that would at least make me a bit nervous. How could they not be on Buzz? In his four years here, he's taken commitments from four top-50 (or likely) RSCI players in Cadougan, Blue, Jamil, and Burton. He's added several other top-100 players. He clearly has a good eye for talent, as he has turned three JUCOs into NBA players (assuming DJO and Jae). And he has recruited top-100 players from California, Wisconsin, Texas, Georgia, and Illinois.
Bottom line, he can recruit anywhere, Marquette had virtually no drop-off despite losing the Three Amigos after year one and an entire highly ranked recruiting class, and he's won 22+ games for 4 straight years including 2 Sweet 16s. If he added a Final Four, he'd exceed Crean's accomplishments without a doubt.
He'd be on anyone's short list.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on April 03, 2012, 09:19:46 AM
There is no way Kentucky would hire Billy Gillespie's former assistant.
This is exactly what I think the issue would be. I don't think Buzz and UK would be a good fit at all and I think UK knows this.
I think they would go hard after Billy Donovan. I think Sean Miller would also get a look.
I really am torn on my thoughts if UK would go after Buzz if job available or not. Think UK could care less about the Billy experiment because two totally different people. Do think that the UK bluebloods probably would want them to chase higher profile name. Hate to say it but really think Buzz is a guy who could thrive in a one and done program. Donovan and Miller probably not as comfortable in one and done and would need time to create own style. Buzz probably could deliver players in a hurry.
Didn't we just clear this all up with the email campaign?
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on April 03, 2012, 09:54:57 AM
This is exactly what I think the issue would be. I don't think Buzz and UK would be a good fit at all and I think UK knows this.
I think they would go hard after Billy Donovan. I think Sean Miller would also get a look.
Those are two names that would definitely look good at Kentucky. I don't mean to bash Buzz as I think he is a great coach, but let's be honest here, we were talking about him going to Southern Methodist University a week ago. He would not be in the running for the Kentucky job if it opened up. They will get literally anyone besides Coach K, Roy, probably Izzo, and maybe Bill Self. Anybody else they want and they will get him. Buzz is not yet in the class of coaches that would be at the top of the list to take over one of the top 5 programs in the country historically
while it is also a current top 5 program. If Indiana was fresh off a Bob Knight Final Four and Knight chose to leave, do people really think they would've looked at Tom Crean as his replacement? I don't. They would've gone after Calipari, Roy Williams, Bill Self, or another big name coach. Buzz is not
that big time yet. I highly doubt the Kentucky fans would be anywhere near close to happy with a coach who has yet to reach an Elite Eight and is only 5 years into his head coaching career.
Quote from: Goose on April 03, 2012, 09:38:12 AM
No one really thinks Buzz would be on UK short list if job opened? Maybe I am the only guy that holds Buzz in elite coach status or we all hope his name does not come up.
He'd be on the short list, for the sole reason to say that they had a short list.
My guess is that Kentucky already knows who will be their next coach after Calipari, and quite candidly, I think that coach probably knows as well. I just can't see Buzz reconciling his conscience knowing that he's coaching MU having already given an acknowledgement to his eventual ascension at Kentucky.
Additionally, when Cal leaves - which, mind you, I don't believe is going to happen anytime soon - UK will inevitably make a big splash to appease their fan base... a fan base that won't settle for a coach who hasn't made it to the Elite 8. In fact, the only way Buzz would end up at Kentucky in the next 10 years is if he had multiple FF appearances and/or a national championship under his belt... frankly, that's one Buzz to ______ scenario I will entertain.
Slightly off-topic but in regard to Cal possibly going to the Knicks...Don't you think a college program would take a chance on a guy like Mike D'Antoni? He runs a fun, fast-paced offense that scores a lot of points but definitely has its limitations. If you're the AD at a BCS school with a traditionally mediocre basketball program (ie VaTech, Rutgers, Auburn, etc), wouldn't you take a chance on D'Antoni in hopes that he can bring in some big recruits to play in his system? Or, if nothing else, get some excitement around your program and put butts in the seats to watch shootouts? Herb Sendek has been struggling at Arizona State the last couple of seasons. I feel like D'Antoni would be embraced back in the desert at the college ranks, no?
Quote from: Goose on April 03, 2012, 10:17:14 AMI really am torn on my thoughts if UK would go after Buzz if job available or not. Think UK could care less about the Billy experiment because two totally different people. Do think that the UK bluebloods probably would want them to chase higher profile name. Hate to say it but really think Buzz is a guy who could thrive in a one and done program. Donovan and Miller probably not as comfortable in one and done and would need time to create own style. Buzz probably could deliver players in a hurry.
Just because I'm curious...who do you think would be ahead of him? I doubt Shaka or Stevens, who may have big names but have never recruited at the high-major level like Buzz has. Pastner I could definitely see, and would make sense following Cal again. Who else...maybe a Dixon or Wright?
I definitely think that if Buzz wasn't at the top of the list, he'd be in the top 3-4.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on April 03, 2012, 10:45:38 AM
Slightly off-topic but in regard to Cal possibly going to the Knicks...Don't you think a college program would take a chance on a guy like Mike D'Antoni? He runs a fun, fast-paced offense that scores a lot of points but definitely has its limitations. If you're the AD at a BCS school with a traditionally mediocre basketball program (ie VaTech, Rutgers, Auburn, etc), wouldn't you take a chance on D'Antoni in hopes that he can bring in some big recruits to play in his system? Or, if nothing else, get some excitement around your program and put butts in the seats to watch shootouts? Herb Sendek has been struggling at Arizona State the last couple of seasons. I feel like D'Antoni would be embraced back in the desert at the college ranks, no?
If they had the money to hire D'Antoni I would think that a school would go after a splashy coach hire with some success at the college level.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on April 03, 2012, 10:45:38 AM
Slightly off-topic but in regard to Cal possibly going to the Knicks...Don't you think a college program would take a chance on a guy like Mike D'Antoni? He runs a fun, fast-paced offense that scores a lot of points but definitely has its limitations. If you're the AD at a BCS school with a traditionally mediocre basketball program (ie VaTech, Rutgers, Auburn, etc), wouldn't you take a chance on D'Antoni in hopes that he can bring in some big recruits to play in his system? Or, if nothing else, get some excitement around your program and put butts in the seats to watch shootouts? Herb Sendek has been struggling at Arizona State the last couple of seasons. I feel like D'Antoni would be embraced back in the desert at the college ranks, no?
A poor man's Paul Westhead? See Elite Eight scores in the 130s (without their best player)? That would be fun to have a team like Loyola Marymount around again. Maybe he can go to another tiny school and turn them into a big-time program. Then get a head coaching gig in the WNBA...
Brew City
I agree with you on top 2-3 guys would be Buzz. Only guy I would put above him if I were UK would be Donovan. UK wants to win next year and Buzz would win next year. He would land studs overnight down there.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 03, 2012, 10:48:24 AM
That would be fun to have a team like Loyola Marymount around again.
I don't know if you actually remember watching Loyola Marymount play, but those games were the most tedious games to watch ever. Think NBA All Star game with less talent and less defense. The games resembled practice full court lay-up drills.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 03, 2012, 10:47:03 AM
Just because I'm curious...who do you think would be ahead of him? I doubt Shaka or Stevens, who may have big names but have never recruited at the high-major level like Buzz has. Pastner I could definitely see, and would make sense following Cal again. Who else...maybe a Dixon or Wright?
I definitely think that if Buzz wasn't at the top of the list, he'd be in the top 3-4.
I think Billy Donovan, Sean Miller, I4, Scott Drew, Thad Matta (doubtful he would go, but they'd probably ask) and Jay Wright (unless the luster has worn off more than I think) all get looks first. I think Buzz would be in their next tier, along with Pastner, Stevens, Shaka, and maybe Cronin. But I don't think it would get that far anyway.
Well, if Buzz did leave for Kentucky, I certainly wouldn't begrudge him the move like I would have had he let for SMU. There is no argument that Kentucky doesn't represent a big promotion.
Anyway, I'm done worrying about such things. I'll enjoy Buzz as long as he is here.
Quote from: CTWarrior on April 03, 2012, 11:08:08 AM
Well, if Buzz did leave for Kentucky, I certainly wouldn't begrudge him the move like I would have had he let for SMU. There is no argument that Kentucky doesn't represent a big promotion.
Anyway, I'm done worrying about such things. I'll enjoy Buzz as long as he is here.
very much agreed. I think its just fun to talk about. We could change the subject from "Buzz to KY?" to "Most sought after coaches in the game?" and the discussion wouldnt really change.
KY will go after bigger name then Buzz if Cal leaves. Matta, Donovan, Jamie Dixon, Miller, Stevens etc
Quote from: MuMark on April 03, 2012, 12:05:32 PM
KY will go after bigger name then Buzz if Cal leaves. Matta, Donovan, Jamie Dixon, Miller, Stevens etc
This.
Why does everyone keep mentioning Donovan? Kentucky went after him last time around and he turned them down. Why would anything have changed between then and now?
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/mensbasketball/2007-04-05-3223316331_x.htm
What changed is Donovan is not coming off two NC's and UK is defending champs. The coaching business is so fluid and anything can happen at anytime. Money talks and UK has plenty of it. Still think Buzz would be better selection if UK is happy with one and done system.
Didn't say that Donovan would take it only that he would be on the short list again if the job opens up.
Just because he turned it down a few years ago doesn't automatically mean he will turn it down again........you do your due dilligence....if he isn't interested you move to the next guy.
Quote from: spartan3186 on April 03, 2012, 12:13:39 PM
Why does everyone keep mentioning Donovan? Kentucky went after him last time around and he turned them down. Why would anything have changed between then and now?
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/mensbasketball/2007-04-05-3223316331_x.htm
I also thought some of the reason Donovan turned it down was he had a daughter that was about to be going to Florida for volleyball and didn't want to move the family around. I'd think she'd be close to graduating by now or I just completely made that scenario up in my head.
Quote from: mu03eng on April 03, 2012, 12:28:10 PM
I also thought some of the reason Donovan turned it down was he had a daughter that was about to be going to Florida for volleyball and didn't want to move the family around. I'd think she'd be close to graduating by now or I just completely made that scenario up in my head.
I thought that was Urban Meyer.
Why would The Knicks hire Calipari? He tried the NBA (The Nets) and it did not work out that well. He goes back to college and recruits Derek Rose, John Wall and Anthony Davis. How does that prove he will be better in his second try at the NBA?
So, this domino scenario is predicated on Calipari jetting to the NBA, eh?
Just looked at Calipari's NBA record as Nets coach:
year W - L
========
1997 26-56
1998 43-49
1999 3-17 **
** note: FIRED!!!!
Boy, if I am an NBA GM, how am I NOT IMPRESSED, and beating down the man's door to BEG HIM to coach my team??
Then again, NBA GMs are really, REALLY, BREATHTAKINGLY stupid people.
Lab,
Not really sure the NBA is the same league as it was last time he was there. Not saying he should be NBA coach or not, but do not think what he did 13-15 years is best judge of his ability. He obviously has an ability to get guys to play together for common goal.
Yeah, but in the NBA, you can't handpick the best of the litter, like Cal essentially does now at UK.
You have to be able to do some Xs and Os work, deal with injuries, roster moves, etc.
And I agree, the NBA isn't the same as it was when Cal was there last. It's a lot less diluted talent-wise. When Cal was there last, the league had just expanded, it was a much more watered down league. I actually think the NBA is more balanced now.
Also, there is the very un-awesome track record of NCAA coaches in the NBA. Mike Montgomery with the Warriors, anyone?
Quote from: lab_warrior on April 03, 2012, 01:03:16 PM
Yeah, but in the NBA, you can't handpick the best of the litter, like Cal essentially does now at UK.
You have to be able to do some Xs and Os work, deal with injuries, roster moves, etc.
And I agree, the NBA isn't the same as it was when Cal was there last. It's a lot less diluted talent-wise. When Cal was there last, the league had just expanded, it was a much more watered down league. I actually think the NBA is more balanced now.
Also, there is the very un-awesome track record of NCAA coaches in the NBA. Mike Montgomery with the Warriors, anyone?
We take exception to that statement.
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Just because he failed once doesn't mean he wouldn't be successful now. Different sport, but look at Belichek. God awful at Cleveland, cuts his teeth again as an assistant, then arguably the best in the game his second time around. With the right players, management, and situation, Cal could succeed, or at least be worth a flier from the NBA GM perspective.
Calipari is a proven winner (albeit in college) and a very big name in coaching. A big-name coach in NYC would be very attractive to free agents, especially ones who he coached in college (i.e. John Wall, who becomes a UFA after '13-'14).
Big time name with a done of recent success makes it only logical that the Knicks would come calling. All you have to do is put the Lin excitement in persepective to see how big the Knicks are in NYC. We are not a NBA and NYC definitely is. 99% of these coaches have oversized ego's and where better to get it stroked than in Madison Square Garden.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on April 03, 2012, 01:17:55 PM
Calipari is a proven winner (albeit in college) and a very big name in coaching. A big-name coach in NYC would be very attractive to free agents, especially ones who he coached in college (i.e. John Wall, who becomes a UFA after '13-'14).
Just sayin, the last three "big name" NYK coaches (Larry Brown, Isiah, and D'Antoni) didn't exactly blow the doors off of MSG.
Reinko
Of course you are correct on last three hires but what are they supposed to do? Stop trying to knock the doors off the Garden?
Quote from: Goose on April 03, 2012, 01:28:02 PM
Reinko
Of course you are correct on last three hires but what are they supposed to do? Stop trying to knock the doors off the Garden?
If I were them I'd hire a successful NBA coach instead of an unsuccessful one.
Calipari to the NBA would be good for college hoops.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on April 03, 2012, 01:29:40 PM
If I were them I'd hire a successful NBA coach instead of an unsuccessful one.
That's why you're not an NBA GM. You're too rational.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on April 03, 2012, 01:17:55 PM
A big-name coach in NYC would be very attractive to free agents, especially ones who he coached in college (i.e. John Wall, who becomes a UFA after '13-'14).
List of reasons to play in NYC:
1. Gigantic piles of money everywhere
2. Endorsements, endorsements, endorsements
3. Media spotlight omnipresent
4. Coolest city on the planet (*cough* next to Milwaukee, of course *cough*)
5. Celebrities galore
6. Femininas galore
...
100. Coach of the basketball team.101. Spike Lee courtside
5000. Woody Allen and Soon-Yi in attendance
Skat,
Unlike college ball the NBA really does not have a pool of great coaches or up and comers. The pro game is basically run by retreads that seldom make a difference. The pro game is about the players and the team that gets the best players usually does alright. If somebody today told you to run the Bucks and get a coach with unlimited budget where would you go first? I love the Bull's guy best and not sure how long of shelf life he might have as head guy.
Quote from: Goose on April 03, 2012, 01:43:29 PM
Skat,
Unlike college ball the NBA really does not have a pool of great coaches or up and comers. The pro game is basically run by retreads that seldom make a difference. The pro game is about the players and the team that gets the best players usually does alright. If somebody today told you to run the Bucks and get a coach with unlimited budget where would you go first? I love the Bull's guy best and not sure how long of shelf life he might have as head guy.
I would get Phil Jackson.
Admittedly, there are tons of morons coaching NBA teams right now (Mike Brown would head that list), but the Spurs, Celtics, Bulls, Sixers wouldn't be nearly as good with Popovich, Doc, Thibs, and Collins coaching them. Good coaching makes those teams better, for sure, not just having star/veteran players. I don't know if Calipari is up to that task. He's good at taking the cream of the cream of college talent, and winning. A coach rarely gets that kind of stacked roster in the NBA.
But hey, if the Knicks want to risk soiling MSG again after cleaning up the Fukushima-reactor-blowout-level mess that was Isiah Thomas, go right ahead, Dolans...
Quote from: Goose on April 03, 2012, 01:43:29 PM
Skat,
Unlike college ball the NBA really does not have a pool of great coaches or up and comers. The pro game is basically run by retreads that seldom make a difference. The pro game is about the players and the team that gets the best players usually does alright. If somebody today told you to run the Bucks and get a coach with unlimited budget where would you go first? I love the Bull's guy best and not sure how long of shelf life he might have as head guy.
Agree with this. Plus, there are a lot of old coaches in the NBA. I point this out because they will have to retire sometime soon (George Karl, Greg Popovich, Doug Collins, Phil Jackson if he does indeed come back). Granted, NBA teams don't have tenured coaches like they used to, but there isn't a pool of people to go calling. If the Knicks are looking for a coach that can win now and 10 years down the road, then Cal might be a great choice.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on April 03, 2012, 09:12:39 AM
Ok we get that an English teacher spanked you with a ruler and it had a big effect on your life. Should I do a poll about it?
This has to be the first time you
ever felt the need to ask before doing a poll.
Quote from: spartan3186 on April 03, 2012, 12:13:39 PM
Why does everyone keep mentioning Donovan? Kentucky went after him last time around and he turned them down. Why would anything have changed between then and now?
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/mensbasketball/2007-04-05-3223316331_x.htm
Roy Williams, UNC. Look it up.
Quote from: lab_warrior on April 03, 2012, 02:03:46 PM
Admittedly, there are tons of morons coaching NBA teams right now (Mike Brown would head that list), but the Spurs, Celtics, Bulls, Sixers wouldn't be nearly as good with Popovich, Doc, Thibs, and Collins coaching them. Good coaching makes those teams better, for sure, not just having star/veteran players. I don't know if Calipari is up to that task. He's good at taking the cream of the cream of college talent, and winning. A coach rarely gets that kind of stacked roster in the NBA.
But hey, if the Knicks want to risk soiling MSG again after cleaning up the Fukushima-reactor-blowout-level mess that was Isiah Thomas, go right ahead, Dolans...
Would Cal be a good fit in Miami? Or would an NBA team of stars not want a coach who they couldn't walk all over?
I hope Cal is not a fit anywhere other than UK because I think Buzz is perfect fit for UK which scares me.
Quote from: Goose on April 03, 2012, 02:25:33 PM
I hope Cal is not a fit anywhere other than UK because I think Buzz is perfect fit for UK which scares me.
Goose, you are great comic relief, sir. Again, get you to the fainting couch--maybe the board should chip in for one? We could refinish this one with nice white, blue, gold, valour blue upholstery?
All over a hypothetical of a hypothetical of a hypothetical based on some jackass' tweet? Pour yourself some scotch, steady those nerves or something.
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Quote from: Goose on April 03, 2012, 02:25:33 PM
I hope Cal is not a fit anywhere other than UK because I think Buzz is perfect fit for UK which scares me.
If Buzz leaves for UK after Crean left for IU, we're going to have coaches looking to land a blue-blood job knocking down our doors!
Lab,
Read my posts...have stated I do no think this s a story at this point. Hardly need a fainting couch. You continue to be the worst poster on here regardless of topic. Really, do you think your comments and pictures are clever? I wish you were comic relief rather than a guy with strong opinions and no facts.
Well, if it's "not a story", then why are you "scared"? Isn't that a fair question?
Look, you can be scared of hypotheticals. I won't be. Good enough deal?
I'm afraid you will continue to post on this topic and every other topic you are uninformed on. Really scared that you are going to add an idiotic picture long with the uniformed post. Really, really scared that you will respond to this post. Really, really, really scared you might be MU alum and tell people you are alum.
That's what I am scared about Lab Warrior.
I think Buzz is a great for MU.
I think we have a good chance to have him as our coach this year.
Quote from: 2002MUalum on April 03, 2012, 03:41:09 PM
I think Buzz is a great for MU.
I think we have a good chance to have him as our coach this year.
Talk about your complete speculation!
Quote from: Goose on April 03, 2012, 08:27:50 AM
UK has been doing things differently for years and this is how it goes down there. I remember hearing about Kyle Macy's summer job in the stables thirty years ago. If you think that the NCAA has not tried for years to bust these guys you are kidding yourself. At this point why would they need to cheat? Every top recruit gets maximum exposure and will be first round draft pick in a year or two. Landscape has changed and they are the breading ground for future millionaires.
Schools that need to cheat are the Baylors or Memphis type schools. They are promising hopeful draft picks and that is different thing. If you are only recruiting one and dones there is zero reason to cheat.
So Worldwide Wes was behind the Kentucky bench by coincidence? He's there just to watch some "Amateur Basketball?"
Quote from: reinko on April 03, 2012, 01:06:59 PM
We take exception to that statement.
Best regards,
Lon Kruger, Sidney Lowe, and Tim Floyd
Don't forget us
Rick Pitino, P.J. Carlesimo, Jerry Tarkanian (remember his 20 games heading the Spurs?)
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on April 03, 2012, 10:19:05 PM
Don't forget us
Rick Pitino, P.J. Carlesimo, Jerry Tarkanian (remember his 20 games heading the Spurs?)
Somebody asked why an NBA team would give Calipari a second chance after he didn't do so well on his first chance.
Well, Pitino got a second crack at the NBA and Carlesimo got a second AND third crack at the NBA.
Calipari would be seen as a big-name hire, especially by a franchise such as the Knickerbockers, who love to make big-name hires.
Lesson: Don't try to use logic. It doesn't work.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/7775024/john-calipari-says-not-interested-nba-coaching-job
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on April 03, 2012, 08:48:31 AM
Related note ...
The NCAA now has a 30% graduation rule or you cannot play in the tourney. Uconn is getting pinched which is why they are ineligible for post season next year.
NCAA rule says if a player leaves early for the NBA, he doesn't count so long as he finishes the semester. So as long as Kentucky players finish with a D- in basket weaving and then goes pro early, Kentucky is in the clear. Keep the kid for four years and he comes up three credits short of graduating, then you risk getting banned from the tourney.
If their 1 Sr left on the squad didn't graduate the whole school would be screwed.
I heard on WFAN (NYC sport's radio) yesterday that a source inside the Knicks says they are very interested in pursuing Calipari. The universal opinion is that it's a horrible move but the Knicks are always looking for a "splash".
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on April 06, 2012, 07:11:08 AM
I heard on WFAN (NYC sport's radio) yesterday that a source inside the Knicks says they are very interested in pursuing Calipari. The universal opinion is that it's a horrible move but the Knicks are always looking for a "splash".
[/quote Be careful what you wish for, Knicks. I think it's a great move since I
hate both teams!
Quote from: MuMark on April 04, 2012, 01:06:11 PM
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/7775024/john-calipari-says-not-interested-nba-coaching-job
"I've always said I have more money than I can spend, than my children can spend," Calipari said. "It's not about that."
Calipari has coached a number of first-round draft picks in his three seasons at Kentucky -- DeMarcus Cousins, John Wall, Eric Bledsoe, Patrick Patterson, Daniel Orton and Brandon Knight. Anthony Davis, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, and possibly Terrence Jones, Doron Lamb, Marquis Teague and Darius Miller could join them from this past season's team.
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No wonder Kentucky won, they play drafted NBA players!!!
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on April 06, 2012, 09:48:32 AM
"I've always said I have more money than I can spend, than my children can spend," Calipari said. "It's not about that."
Calipari has coached a number of first-round draft picks in his three seasons at Kentucky -- DeMarcus Cousins, John Wall, Eric Bledsoe, Patrick Patterson, Daniel Orton and Brandon Knight. Anthony Davis, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, and possibly Terrence Jones, Doron Lamb, Marquis Teague and Darius Miller could join them from this past season's team.
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No wonder Kentucky won, they play drafted NBA players!!!
There's a period after Brandon Knight, signifying the beginning of a new thought. Anthony Davis and Michael Kidd-Gilchrist are guaranteed first rounders this year, so, within the new sentence relating this year's players to the drafting success of prior talent, they are separated from the other potential first rounders.
Quote from: Bocephys on April 06, 2012, 10:25:12 AM
There's a period after Brandon Knight, signifying the beginning of a new thought. Anthony Davis and Michael Kidd-Gilchrist are guaranteed first rounders this year, so, within the new sentence relating this year's players to the drafting success of prior talent, they are separated from the other potential first rounders.
You're correct, When I read it earlier, I saw that period as a comma.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on April 06, 2012, 10:36:35 AM
You're correct, When I read it earlier, I saw that period as a comma.
I figured as much, and wasn't trying to be a dick. I just really felt like diagramming a sentence.
Periods. Commas.
They're, their, there.
Gerunds.
In the offseason, this board can teach some valuable English lessons.
Quote from: mu03eng on April 03, 2012, 08:22:25 AM
My cousin and his wife and her whole family are UK alums and huge supporters. I asked them how they felt about the assumption that Kentucky is cheating and their response was, oh we know it goes on but don't care because we won the national championship. Plus they think the cheating is pretty covert so it'd be tough to prove it enough to take away the NC. Very matter of fact, it was kind of funny.
I've gotten to the point where I want some huge scandal now because the NCAA is so fouled up we need something catastrophic to blow the whole thing up and start over.
If MU was cheating and won the national title I also would not care because they NCAA might take away that title, but guess what....I was still there watching it happen with my own eyes, and Marquette still gets to benefit from the title run.
Quote from: KenoshaWarrior on April 06, 2012, 01:47:58 PM
If MU was cheating and won the national title I also would not care because they NCAA might take away that title, but guess what....I was still there watching it happen with my own eyes, and Marquette still gets to benefit from the title run.
Gluttony at it's finest.
You'll love it while you are doing it (even though you know it's wrong).
You'll hate yourself for it later.