The Milwaukee freshman is in this week's SI 'Faces in the Crowd'. 20 blocks? 14 in one game? As a Freshman? Land him and Looney to go with Burton and Wilson. Milwaukee natives win a National Championship.
Landing him would reaffirm Buzz's importance and contribution to MU. Tough for FP and the domer to ignore.
+1
That kid is an absolute beast. Maybe once-in-a-generation type talent, and a big to boot. OOOF.
(http://www.theblackpeppercorn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/drooling-homer-simpson.jpg)
Not meaning to get too far ahead of ourselves....what is the earliest point in HS can an athlete sign a NLI?
Quote from: real chili 83 on March 31, 2012, 10:23:54 AM
Landing him would reaffirm Buzz's importance and contribution to MU. Tough for FP and the domer to ignore.
What is ridiculous is if Pilarz and Larry Williams already cannot understand/grasp the importance and contribution of Buzz to MU. Absolutely frightening if these guys don't get it..or the Board of Trustees for that matter.
if nothing else he would be a lock for coolest name contest...
Quote from: real chili 83 on March 31, 2012, 10:23:54 AM
Landing him would reaffirm Buzz's importance and contribution to MU. Tough for FP and the domer to ignore.
SIGH. Yeah, it'll put a monster dent in their dastardly plan to turn Marquette basketball into an also ran.
Quote from: Ners on March 31, 2012, 10:27:45 AM
What is ridiculous is if Pilarz and Larry Williams already cannot understand/grasp the importance and contribution of Buzz to MU. Absolutely frightening if these guys don't get it..or the Board of Trustees for that matter.
I will give FP and the domer the benefit of the doubt. Perhaps all the hysteria is manufactured in the imaginations of us knucklehead posters, and they do get it....even the domer.
Some say the school has their undies in a bundle over the BBall budget. Bottom line is that budget produces an amazing return. Both in direct revenue, and in admissions. Tough to ignore.
So... back to Diamond Stone. He's pretty good eh? Would be a nice get right?
Quote from: real chili 83 on March 31, 2012, 10:26:22 AM
Not meaning to get too far ahead of ourselves....what is the earliest point in HS can an athlete sign a NLI?
Not for another 31 months until November of his senior year. A long time in the college basketball recruiting timeline and many things could happen by that time.
Quote from: real chili 83 on March 31, 2012, 10:35:44 AM
I will give FP and the domer the benefit of the doubt. Perhaps all the hysteria is manufactured in the imaginations of us knucklehead posters, and they do get it....even the domer.
Some say the school has their undies in a bundle over the BBall budget. Bottom line is that budget produces an amazing return. Both in direct revenue, and in admissions. Tough to ignore.
It's hilarious (and asinine) that people are suggesting that a guy who played football and was educated at Notre Dame doesn't "get" the importance of athletics for a university.
People who say such nonsense are, indeed, knuckleheads.
Let's not forget that 50 percent of the search committee that chose LW was Doc Rivers and Allie McGuire. Apparently they too don't "get it."
No doubt landing Looney and Stone along with the others would put us in the elite program status. Keeping local kids that are elite has to be the program's top priority. Believe getting Looney is going to be tough, but not impossible. If these kids have watched us play this year there is no doubt they saw the style of ball Buzz plays.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 31, 2012, 10:59:46 AM
It's hilarious (and asinine) that people are suggesting that a guy who played football and was educated at Notre Dame doesn't "get" the importance of athletics for a university.
People who say such nonsense are, indeed, knuckleheads.
Let's not forget that 50 percent of the search committee that chose LW was Doc Rivers and Allie McGuire. Apparently they too don't "get it."
I agree. I just enjoy gigging him because of the domer pedigree! It's kinda like a Cub fan ribbing a Sox fan....just can't pass up on the opportunity. ;D That's all it is for me. The rest of the speculation is just noise.
Go Warriors!!!
Has someone seen that the school is worried about the basketball budget? I have not heard that in any discussions or read that anywhere. Do not believe that MU is worried about money in anyway.
Quote from: Goose on March 31, 2012, 11:05:49 AM
Has someone seen that the school is worried about the basketball budget? I have not heard that in any discussions or read that anywhere. Do not believe that MU is worried about money in anyway.
Just via the baseless speculation that is rampant with some of our fellow scoopers.
If Stone is a one-and-done, it's going to be very, very tough to keep him away from Kentucky (presuming Cal is still there) or UNC.
I would not be calling Stone a one and done yet...long time to go before he walks on college floor.
FWIW, I heard he REALLY likes MU and will be be a very early verbal. Obviously a lot can change. And no, I won't name my source so feel free to take a large grain of salt......just thought I'd share, as it got me SUPER EXCITED!
Quote from: TheBuzzsaw on March 31, 2012, 12:58:57 PM
FWIW, I heard he REALLY likes MU and will be be a very early verbal. Obviously a lot can change. And no, I won't name my source so feel free to take a large grain of salt......just thought I'd share, as it got me SUPER EXCITED!
I don't know about the early commit, but he does like MU a lot.
Like the sound of him liking MU because I have also heard that. Nice to hear others are hearing the same things. I will take my chances with Buzz getting any kid he sets out to get. The guy has proven to be big time recruiter.
Quote from: Goose on March 31, 2012, 01:04:59 PM
Like the sound of him liking MU because I have also heard that. Nice to hear others are hearing the same things. I will take my chances with Buzz getting any kid he sets out to get. The guy has proven to be big time recruiter.
But is he a Northwestern type of kid?
Hopefully we are still recruiting UNC type kids in three years. Buzz here in three years I would be very disappointed if we did not land Stone. Have said many times Buzz has to capabilities of getting us to super elite status because he is elite recruiter. Buzz will never recruit Northwestern type kids.
the 2015 All-Milwaukee MU team
1) Duane Wilson (top 150)
2) Brandon Key (likely top 100)
3) Deonte Burton (top 50)
4) Kevon Looney (top 25, maybe 15)
5) Diamond Stone (top 25)
Quote from: MUFanatic4Life on March 31, 2012, 02:45:20 PM
the 2015 All-Milwaukee team
1) Duane Wilson (top 150)
2) Brandon Key (likely top 100)
3) Deonte Burton (top 50)
4) Kevon Looney (top 25, maybe 15)
5) Diamond Stone (top 25)
Surprised if Duane isn't top 100 when it's all said and done.
Quote from: MUFanatic4Life on March 31, 2012, 02:45:20 PM
the 2015 All-Milwaukee team
1) Duane Wilson (top 150)
2) Brandon Key (likely top 100)
3) Deonte Burton (top 50)
4) Kevon Looney (top 25, maybe 15)
5) Diamond Stone (top 25)
Wilson and Looney would have already graduated, and Key is not going to be ranked ahead of Wilson.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 31, 2012, 02:51:54 PM
Wilson and Looney would have already graduated, and Key is not going to be ranked ahead of Wilson.
by all-milwaukee team I meant the team MU would have with milwaukee players.
Quote from: MUFanatic4Life on March 31, 2012, 02:45:20 PM
the 2015 All-Milwaukee team
1) Duane Wilson (top 150)
2) Brandon Key (likely top 100)
3) Deonte Burton (top 50)
4) Kevon Looney (top 25, maybe 15)
5) Diamond Stone (top 25)
There's a lot of talent coming out of MKE these days. I really think that Buzz has MU a top 10 program (or damn close). Soon enough the truly elite recruits from MKE will be MU's "to lose." Obviously there will always be guys that go out of state, but a lot of guys will want to play in front of their family and friends at a top 10 program.
I absolutely loved hearing Deonta Burton talk about starting a true MKE pipeline. In time, I think there's a decent chance that every kid in MKE will dream of playing at MARQUETTE! Big time program in your backyard....
Quote from: TheBuzzsaw on March 31, 2012, 03:16:02 PM
There's a lot of talent coming out of MKE these days. I really think that Buzz has MU a top 10 program (or damn close). Soon enough the truly elite recruits from MKE will be MU's "to lose." Obviously there will always be guys that go out of state, but a lot of guys will want to play in front of their family and friends at a top 10 program.
I absolutely loved hearing Deonta Burton talk about starting a true MKE pipeline. In time, I think there's a decent chance that every kid in MKE will dream of playing at MARQUETTE! Big time program in your backyard....
I already read somewhere that theres a bunch of MKE middle school players looking very good at camps, but its too early for them.
It's a fluid situation with Jabari Parker and where he'll end up going for his likely 1 and done stop in college but I heard a sports anchor here in Chicago talked to him and the word is he'd like to stay some where local. Apparently, Jabari's dad doesn't fly so Jabari wants to go some where his family could drive and see him play. U of I was in good with Parker because he had attended their b-ball camps since he was younger and he loved Weber. We'll have to see if Groce can get Parker to reconsider the Illini but if that doesn't happen Milwaukee is not a bad drive to make. Purnell may have a shot at Parker to come to DePaul but MU having Taylor in the fold is a nice thing to think when it comes time for Parker to make a decision too.
If anything, it's nice to dream about the possibility.
From what I have heard we are not completely on the outside looking in on Jabari. Will be difficult for sure and not sure if one and done is what is in the cards. Steve Taylor is going be a great player for us and hopefully Jabari hears good things from him.
Quote from: Goose on March 31, 2012, 04:06:37 PM
From what I have heard we are not completely on the outside looking in on Jabari. Will be difficult for sure and not sure if one and done is what is in the cards. Steve Taylor is going be a great player for us and hopefully Jabari hears good things from him.
Duane Wilson decreased our chances at Parker because if we had gotten Kendrick Nunn instead, to go along with Steve Taylor, Parker would probably really consider coming here to play with his teammates and friends at a local school. I am still very happy with Wilson but our chances at getting Parker are now lower due to the scholarship situation.
Quote from: MUFanatic4Life on March 31, 2012, 02:45:20 PM
the 2015 All-Milwaukee MU team
1) Duane Wilson (top 150)
2) Brandon Key (likely top 100)
3) Deonte Burton (top 50)
4) Kevon Looney (top 25, maybe 15)
5) Diamond Stone (top 25)
I think you may be underrating Stone...he could well be top-10.
Wasn't Jamil Wilson top 10 by a few services after his sophomore year?
Same with Tokoto after his freshman year?
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on March 31, 2012, 10:22:25 PM
Wasn't Jamil Wilson top 10 by a few services after his sophomore year?
Same with Tokoto after his freshman year?
Yes, but the problem is services only rank about 50 freshmen and sophomores. So it's really just those who have blown up on the AAU scene. As little as rankings mean, they mean even less for freshmen and sophomores. That being said, Stone will be recruited by the blue bloods.
Quote from: Goose on March 31, 2012, 04:06:37 PM
From what I have heard we are not completely on the outside looking in on Jabari. Will be difficult for sure and not sure if one and done is what is in the cards. Steve Taylor is going be a great player for us and hopefully Jabari hears good things from him.
I hate to sound like an a-hole but we have absolutely no shot at Jabari. I would love to see him in a Marquette uni, but im a realist. If he doesnt stay in-state he will likely go to a blue blood program.
Quote from: Dreadman24 on March 31, 2012, 11:24:10 PM
I hate to sound like an a-hole but we have absolutely no shot at Jabari. I would love to see him in a Marquette uni, but im a realist. If he doesnt stay in-state he will likely go to a blue blood program.
I hate to sound like an a-hole but which is it?
Quote from: wadesworld on March 31, 2012, 11:38:33 PM
I hate to sound like an a-hole but which is it?
I hate to sound like a double a-hole, but you are terrible at textual interpretation. Bolding letters does not actually change the meaning of a sentence.
"If he doesn't stay in-state he will likely go to a blue blood."
That sentence does not imply that the speaker is not 100% positive that Jabari will not come to MU.
Quote from: AWegrzyn17 on April 01, 2012, 12:29:34 AM
I hate to sound like a double a-hole, but you are terrible at textual interpretation. Bolding letters does not actually change the meaning of a sentence.
"If he doesn't stay in-state he will likely go to a blue blood."
That sentence does not imply that the speaker is not 100% positive that Jabari will not come to MU.
+1
How does one justify being "absolutely" sure about something without having any knowledge of what Parker is thinking.....?
Quote from: AWegrzyn17 on April 01, 2012, 12:29:34 AM
I hate to sound like a double a-hole, but you are terrible at textual interpretation. Bolding letters does not actually change the meaning of a sentence.
"If he doesn't stay in-state he will likely go to a blue blood."
That sentence does not imply that the speaker is not 100% positive that Jabari will not come to MU.
"Textual interpretation." Interesting way to phrase it, but OK. So if my "textual interpretation" is then correct, based on what you are saying, Jabari Parker will most likely go to an in-state school (despite Marquette being closer to his hometown than the biggest in-state school) or a blue blood school, but there is a chance he goes out of state to a non-blue blood school, but he absolutely will not come to Marquette? So, Jabari Parker is basically open to any and all colleges, besides Marquette University? Cool. Glad we are now the only school that doesn't need to waste time and resources to recruit the #1 player in the country.
Quote from: Goose on March 31, 2012, 11:59:56 AM
I would not be calling Stone a one and done yet...long time to go before he walks on college floor.
And yet we have a thread about him.
Quote from: ecompt on March 31, 2012, 11:17:29 AM
If Stone is a one-and-done, it's going to be very, very tough to keep him away from Kentucky (presuming Cal is still there) or UNC.
It won't be tough if he feels that he has an honest shot at the national title at MU, and has any inclination to stay home. The tough part will be building the program back to the point that he will think that MU has a realistic shot at the title with him on board.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 01, 2012, 12:43:23 AM
"Textual interpretation." Interesting way to phrase it, but OK. So if my "textual interpretation" is then correct, based on what you are saying, Jabari Parker will most likely go to an in-state school (despite Marquette being closer to his hometown than the biggest in-state school) or a blue blood school, but there is a chance he goes out of state to a non-blue blood school, but he absolutely will not come to Marquette? So, Jabari Parker is basically open to any and all colleges, besides Marquette University? Cool. Glad we are now the only school that doesn't need to waste time and resources to recruit the #1 player in the country.
Clearly you are putting way too much thought into this discussion lol..chill
Quote from: wadesworld on April 01, 2012, 12:43:23 AM
"Textual interpretation." Interesting way to phrase it, but OK. So if my "textual interpretation" is then correct, based on what you are saying, Jabari Parker will most likely go to an in-state school (despite Marquette being closer to his hometown than the biggest in-state school) or a blue blood school, but there is a chance he goes out of state to a non-blue blood school, but he absolutely will not come to Marquette? So, Jabari Parker is basically open to any and all colleges, besides Marquette University? Cool. Glad we are now the only school that doesn't need to waste time and resources to recruit the #1 player in the country.
You are missing the argument entirely. You made a snide remark and I pointed out your misreading; don't be mad. You distorted the original quote and I explained what you were doing. Dreadman was stating that he believed that either Parker would either go to an Illinois school or a blue blood program and that he was 100% certain he wouldn't come to MU. You stated that this was a logically inconsistent position to hold, which it is not.
I made no mention of my own opinion of what Parker will do. I don't believe he will go to MU or the Illini, but will likely go to UNC or Duke. Besides that, you again misinterpretted Dredman's point a second time. He didn't say Parker was open "to any and all colleges, but MU" but rather that he was open to blue bloods and in-state schools (neither of which is MU); UConn, for example, would equally fall outside of that definition.
Textual interpretation is a reference to one's ability to glean meaning from written words... a skill you obviously lack.
Stone looked very good at the state tourney, but he's only a freshman and many things can happen. Wasn't Evan Anderson considered a top 10 national prospect after his freshman year? Look at him now.
A better example for Stone might be Jamil Wilson.
Quote from: oshkoshbgosh on April 01, 2012, 07:47:07 AM
Stone looked very good at the state tourney, but he's only a freshman and many things can happen. Wasn't Evan Anderson considered a top 10 national prospect after his freshman year? Look at him now.
Stone is much more advanced then Evan Anderson was this stage. MUCH MORE.
Quote from: QuetteHoops on April 01, 2012, 08:43:14 AM
Stone is much more advanced then Evan Anderson was this stage. MUCH MORE.
Seems like Stone is already more advanced than Anderson was as a senior in high school
Quote from: Jamailman on April 01, 2012, 09:14:46 AM
Seems like Stone is already more advanced than Anderson was as a senior in high school
;D Very possible
Quote from: oshkoshbgosh on April 01, 2012, 07:47:07 AM
Stone looked very good at the state tourney, but he's only a freshman and many things can happen. Wasn't Evan Anderson considered a top 10 national prospect after his freshman year? Look at him now.
Competition. Speed. Anderson lacked those two things. He was from the hinterlands, being guarded by 6-4 kids. Stone is competing against kids closer to his size and quicker than he is.
Quote from: tower912 on April 01, 2012, 09:23:32 AM
Competition. Speed. Anderson lacked those two things. He was from the hinterlands, being guarded by 6-4 kids. Stone is competing against kids closer to his size and quicker than he is.
Besides, Anderson is more traditional.
Quote from: AWegrzyn17 on April 01, 2012, 01:02:05 AM
You are missing the argument entirely. You made a snide remark and I pointed out your misreading; don't be mad. You distorted the original quote and I explained what you were doing. Dreadman was stating that he believed that either Parker would either go to an Illinois school or a blue blood program and that he was 100% certain he wouldn't come to MU. You stated that this was a logically inconsistent position to hold, which it is not.
I made no mention of my own opinion of what Parker will do. I don't believe he will go to MU or the Illini, but will likely go to UNC or Duke. Besides that, you again misinterpretted Dredman's point a second time. He didn't say Parker was open "to any and all colleges, but MU" but rather that he was open to blue bloods and in-state schools (neither of which is MU); UConn, for example, would equally fall outside of that definition.
Textual interpretation is a reference to one's ability to glean meaning from written words... a skill you obviously lack.
I'm going to have to disagree with you all around. Apparently you are the one who lacks "textual interpretation" (I would think "reading comprehension" is a more common way to term it) skills.
Based on what he said, the absolute only school he ruled out was Marquette. Let's revisit his post:
Quote from: Dreadman24 on March 31, 2012, 11:24:10 PM
I hate to sound like an a-hole but we have absolutely no shot at Jabari. I would love to see him in a Marquette uni, but im a realist. If he doesnt stay in-state he will likely go to a blue blood program.
Using "textual interpretation," he says, "If he doesn't stay in-state." This would mean that the most likely scenario is he goes to a school in the state of Illinois. He then continues by saying "he will
likely go to a blue blood program." This would mean that if the most likely scenario of staying in state does not happen, then the
next most likely scenario would be that he goes to a blue blood program (UCLA, UNC, Duke, Kentucky, Kansas, Indiana). The absolute
only part of his post that definitively says something about where he will choose to go to college is when he says "we have absolutely no shot at Jabari." I think your problem is your interpretation of the word "likely." "Likely" is not a definitive word. By saying "likely," it leaves open the possibility that something other than what he says is "likely" to happen actually does happen. So he is saying that the biggest likelihood is that he goes in state, with a decent shot at him going out of state but to a blue blood program, but there
is a chance that he goes out of state to a program that is not considered to be a blue blood program. That does
not rule out UCONN, or any other school in the country (again, besides Marquette, which is the only school he definitively said he was not going to).
So it looks like somebody else may be the one who lacks "textual interpretation skills."
And regardless of your lack of textual interpretation skillz, unless he is Jabari Parker or has heard from his mouth that he is not coming here, I am not sure how he can say with certainty that we are not getting him.
For the record, I too think we have no shot at him. But just because I think that does not mean it is absolutely true.
Parker will visit next year with Nunn to watch Taylor play a game, you never know what can happen.
AWegrzyn
Come on be nice. Don't ruin the forum for everyone by one upping the fella's. People have been called an idiot on here for expressing information and opinions. Seems like to me you are trying to state your opinion as being superior to that of the other posters.
If that is how you want to come across please do so another forum.
Obviously landing Jabari is a long shot but would never say no chance on it happening. The kid is likely one and done and if we landed him we probably would have as good a chance to win NC as anyone in the country. Guys go to UK to win if one and done kids and we might be better opportunity than UK in two years.
Wadesworld: let's make this simple. He said that he was sure that Parker wasn't going to come to MU, and thought it would be an Illinois program or a blue blood. Is it logically inconsistent to be 100% sure that Parker isn't going to come to MU and then make a prediction about where he will go that is less than 100% positive? I don't believe that to be the case. Dreadman is perhaps overly confident in his belief that Parker won't come to MU, but you made a snide remark and bolded his quote in a way that made it appear that what he was saying was logically inconsistent.
And Goose, I hardly even stated my opinion on where Parker will go. All I did was defend Dreadman when his post was attacked by another poster. If people don't like having the fallacies of their snide remarks pointed out to them, I'm not all too torn up about it. Idk... I don't have any sources with insider information about it though, so maybe you're right.
AWeg
Your tone sounded very arrogant and insulting. Not sure the need to point out people's errors or weakness on here. You have every right to your opinion but do not think the arrogance is needed. Honestly it appears to me that you feel you are better than the rest of the posters and feel you can say whatever you want about someone or their posts. If you feel you are smarter or more in the know than everyone else start your own forum.
Quote from: Goose on April 01, 2012, 02:08:24 PM
AWeg
Your tone sounded very arrogant and insulting. Not sure the need to point out people's errors or weakness on here. You have every right to your opinion but do not think the arrogance is needed. Honestly it appears to me that you feel you are better than the rest of the posters and feel you can say whatever you want about someone or their posts. If you feel you are smarter or more in the know than everyone else start your own forum.
Haha it's fine. He is correct that Dreadman saying he was 100% sure he wasn't coming to Marquette but that it was only likely he goes to a blue blood or in state program isn't necessarily inaccurate. I just find it interesting that he left open the possibility of Parker going
anywhere in the country (which he did, even though AWeg apparently doesn't think he did), yet there is 0% chance he comes to Marquette. I highly doubt Parker would say "I am open to any school, except Marquette University." Maybe he did. AWeg just seems to not understand the meaning of "likely." He will figure it out.
I apologize if my implicit tone offended anyone on this message board. I forgot that posting inflamatory statements about coaches, players, the administration, and recruits with no actual knowledge is fair game, but any logical dissection of people's posts may be deemed offensive and not nice.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 01, 2012, 02:13:10 PM
Haha it's fine. He is correct that Dreadman saying he was 100% sure he wasn't coming to Marquette but that it was only likely he goes to a blue blood or in state program isn't necessarily inaccurate. I just find it interesting that he left open the possibility of Parker going anywhere in the country (which he did, even though AWeg apparently doesn't think he did), yet there is 0% chance he comes to Marquette. I highly doubt Parker would say "I am open to any school, except Marquette University." Maybe he did. AWeg just seems to not understand the meaning of "likely." He will figure it out.
Hey Dreadman, what do you think the chances are that Parker goes to Providence, Seton Hall, Rhode Island, Gonzaga, Colorado State, Florida International...
AWeg,
My only point is you chose to out me, insult me and ask me to leave the forum because I ruined it for you and others. I took your comments, including calling me an idiot, and have refrained from commenting on the coaching situation. No problem with your opinion. But not sure why you feel need to insult other posters. Pointing out errors is fine but the added commentaries really are not needed.
So, regarding Diamond Stone... ::)
Quote from: Jam Chowder on April 01, 2012, 02:22:09 PM
So, regarding Diamond Stone... ::)
Goose, if you truly are stopping posts about the coaching situation, I will try to improve my tone if it is bothersome.
On Stone, he looks like he's going to be one of the best players in the nation by the time he's a senior and he is planted in our backyard. I hope someone from the staff is at every single one of his games as he could definitely be a program-changing type of talent. The Du. Wilson commitment looks good on the Stone front, but it is just way too early to tell where his recruiting will go; that's why it is important we lay the groundwork early before programs like UNC and Kentucky start calling. Don't know that there is much more one can say at this point.
AWeg,
Deal!