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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: seinfeld on March 29, 2012, 08:48:00 PM
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Freeport Warrior stated in another thread that Marquette actively reached out to some targets on Tuesday when it looked like we were going to lose Buzz. Anyone care to speculate on which coaches were contacted?
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Bo Ryan
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Chris Lowery, Keno Davis and Bruce Webber.
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Someone that would coach for 800k because the wallet had left the room.
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Matt Daugherty
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One would think they would have their eye on some big name to stop the PR nightmare that would follow losing Buzz. Also shows how close it came to buzz walking.
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They have no plan and that is why Buzz is still here.
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Jason Rabadeaux
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They have no plan and that is why Buzz is still here.
yeah right. And buzz is going to be here after next season.
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Mike Deane is available
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Maybe we could pluck one of the one of the prize berries of the Tom Crean coaching tree...
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I hear Tom Crean is not cutting it at II, II - he may come back...
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Well at least they have a year to work on building on the list. Interesting to see which future recruits bolt a year from now. Also who transfers this summer. I'm assuming other schools will use this incident against us in future recruiting.
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They have no idea what to do and prolonged it for year. They have known for nine months or longer Buzz was not their cup of tea and were caught by surprise when SMU called. My guess they dared Buzz to leave and then backed down when they called their bluff.
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They have no idea what to do and prolonged it for year. They have known for nine months or longer Buzz was not their cup of tea and were caught by surprise when SMU called. My guess they dared Buzz to leave and then backed down when they called their bluff.
Totally agree with you on that Goose. That is why you would think they would have a list in case of such an incident as this weekend
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I can ensure you LW has no list because Buzz isn't leaving unless a blue blood opens up.
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They have no idea what to do and prolonged it for year. They have known for nine months or longer Buzz was not their cup of tea and were caught by surprise when SMU called. My guess they dared Buzz to leave and then backed down when they called their bluff.
Huh? Where was that little tidbit in the 103 pages of BS you propogated?
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They have no idea what to do and prolonged it for year. They have known for nine months or longer Buzz was not their cup of tea and were caught by surprise when SMU called. My guess they dared Buzz to leave and then backed down when they called their bluff.
Who is the "their" and the "they"?
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AtlWarrior
What BS?
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Huh? Where was that little tidbit in the 103 pages of BS you propogated?
It was in about 1,500 of those posts on that thread. Fortunately, all the people who were proven wrong about Buzz leaving for SMU are still trying to sell their BS.
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I can ensure you LW has no list because Buzz isn't leaving unless a blue blood opens up.
As long as we have a President and AD who are looking for a way to get rid of him without firing him it won't take an offer from a blue blood, just a school better than SMU. It's going to be a long year for buzz, sort of like when Costanza had that job where the bosses gave him a crappy office and tried to make life hell for him.
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Merritt
Did you ever see I said Buzz was not leaving for SMU? Did you see I said on Monday afternoon you could bank it Buzz was staying? I said their is a major problem and their is today. You should read my posts and been very consistent, cryptic yes, but consistent.
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As long as we have a President and AD who are looking for a way to get rid of him without firing him it won't take an offer from a blue blood, just a school better than SMU. It's going to be a long year for buzz, sort of like when Costanza had that job where the bosses gave him a crappy office and tried to make life hell for him.
If Buzz really was "available," where were the calls from Mississippi St, South Carolina, Illinois, K-State or even Colorado State? All of those jobs are better than SMU.
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As long as we have a President and AD who are looking for a way to get rid of him without firing him it won't take an offer from a blue blood, just a school better than SMU. It's going to be a long year for buzz, sort of like when Costanza had that job where the bosses gave him a crapty office and tried to make life hell for him.
How many times are you going to make that reference?
Who wouldn't want Buzz gone? I heard the Pope almost left his Carribean tour to fly to Milwaukee to handle this situation. The supposed frictional relationship between LW and BW are completely fictional. They have some communication classes to take but no one is being forced out.
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Merritt
Did you ever see I said Buzz was not leaving for SMU? Did you see I said on Monday afternoon you could bank it Buzz was staying? I said their is a major problem and their is today. You should read my posts and been very consistent, cryptic yes, but consistent.
Goose has been consistent
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If Buzz really was "available," where were the calls from Mississippi St, South Carolina, Illinois, K-State or even Colorado State? All of those jobs are better than SMU.
He doesn't know what he is talking about. He hasn't posted anything on this board except shifty Buzz rumors.
Time for the ignore feature and a note to the mods.
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They have no idea what to do and prolonged it for year. They have known for nine months or longer Buzz was not their cup of tea and were caught by surprise when SMU called. My guess they dared Buzz to leave and then backed down when they called their bluff.
Who's known for 9 months or longer--Pilarz, Larry Williams, or somebody else that wasn't here 9 months ago? I'm calling total bulls#it on this. The number of "insiders" on this board is laughable. Trust me, your di*k ain't getting any bigger trying to impress a few internet dorks claiming you have some insider knowledge.
Seinfeld--you have no clue, stop talking. You hate Buzz, great, I'm sure most of the board hates you.
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Who's known for 9 months or longer--Pilarz, Larry Williams, or somebody else that wasn't here 9 months ago? I'm calling total bulls#it on this. The number of "insiders" on this board is laughable. Trust me, your di*k ain't getting any bigger trying to impress a few internet dorks claiming you have some insider knowledge.
Seinfeld--you have no clue, stop talking. You hate Buzz, great, I'm sure most of the board hates you.
Nice.
The funny thing about the whole last week is this board is called 'Hanging at the Al.' While people like Goose and Seinfeld here read into a JS article quote and the very littke knowledge anyone has of LW, people that were actually in The Al were laughing at this stupidity. Hence why the Award Banquet email was sent at the near height of mass hysteria.
You are clueless, move on.
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Jmayer
What the fxxk do I care if you believe me or not. You can say I am bullcrap all you want. For fun please tell me factually where I have been wrong since I first commented on the rift in Jan. if you have concrete facts to refute my claims please provide them. If not, my "insider" info trumps you because you don't have crap.
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Nice.
The funny thing about the whole last week is this board is called 'Hanging at the Al.' While people like Goose and Seinfeld here read into a JS article quote and the very littke knowledge anyone has of LW, people that were actually in The Al were laughing at this stupidity. Hence why the Award Banquet email was sent at the near height of mass hysteria.
You are clueless, move on.
I don't know anything, but I'm going to side with PTM just so I don't have to worry Buzz is going to leave anytime soon and we are looking forward to seeing who's going to win between the head coaching position finalists Brian Wardle and Chris Lowery.
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Is Jmayer still in the house
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I don't know anything, but I'm going to side with PTM just so I don't have to worry Buzz is going to leave anytime soon and we are looking forward to seeing who's going to win between the head coaching position finalists Brian Wardle and Chris Lowery.
Goose,
I am with u on this I do know a large financial MU supporter very well who happens to heve the same thoughts and insights u do? We talked in Phoenix and he is very concerned with the current folks running MU. Unless things improve the next 12 months, and they may, Buzz will take his skills elsewhere. Count on it? Pilarz is not Bob Wild.
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79warriors
Not thoughts....facts.
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79warriors
Not thoughts....facts.
Embellished...facts...
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PTM
Why the anger? I think your posts are beyond stupid but do not point them out. We are on same team here. Are you really that sure that I am an idiot or afraid I am right?
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79warriors
Not thoughts....facts.
I understand. There is no point in arguing back and forth with folks who disagree. Marquette has a choice to make, work it out or buzz hits the road. What u said was confirmed in Phoenix . It's a bummer for sure
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Goose, 79warrior, how do you think the turmoil effects recruiting or does it?
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PTM
Why the anger? I think your posts are beyond stupid but do not point them out. We are on same team here. Are you really that sure that I am an idiot or afraid I am right?
I know you are an idiot, but you are 'correct'. Try this out, since you know there is an issue between LW and BW, try not bringing it up all the time. Also, stick to the facts. The issue is nowhere near the panic you are describing in your posts. Just relax and keep the gasoline away from the flames.
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Goose, 79warrior, how do you think the turmoil effects recruiting or does it?
Well, what do u think?
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Well, what do u think?
I would guess it would have a negative effect, especially if other schools point it out, but Buzz has a lot of charisma, that you never know, you might be able to sell above it.
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Well, what do u think?
Heard Buzz is negatively recruiting Marquette this year. Telling all he 2014 kids to follow him to another school after next season.
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From my dads friend who is a 7 figure booster who also has friends close with management, Shaka was on the list. Also Weber, and to my surprise the possibility of Benford.
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From my dads friend who is a 7 figure booster who also has friends close with management, Shaka was on the list. Also Weber, and to my surprise the possibility of Benford.
Shaka wasn't coming, I pray to God Weber wouldn't come, probably would have ended up with Benford. At least some continuity.
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PTM
Why the anger? I think your posts are beyond stupid but do not point them out. We are on same team here. Are you really that sure that I am an idiot or afraid I am right?
+1000 PTM=hater
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your an idiot
good hustle
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Jmayer
What the fxxk do I care if you believe me or not. You can say I am bullcrap all you want. For fun please tell me factually where I have been wrong since I first commented on the rift in Jan. if you have concrete facts to refute my claims please provide them. If not, my "insider" info trumps you because you don't have crap.
Your "insider" sources told you an awful lot of things--Buzz feels slighted, Buzz is squeezing the admin's balls, the rift started nine months ago (before Pillars or Williams were on the job), the big boosters are on Buzz's side, the situation isn't totally ironed out for next year, Buzz has been told to recruit ND/Northwestern type kids, MU is more worried about Buzz staying than leaving, admin thinks Buzz is a loose cannon, Buzz is staying and recruiting won't change, if Buzz leaves it would be a major blow, I am 100% certain Buzz is not leaving, Buzz is very unhappy, Buzz is being pushed aside.
All of these things don't coincide with each other and all these posts are from just the last 5 days. I don't have any inside knowledge and I will never state otherwise. I just thinks it is laughable that so many here claim to have "inside" sources, yet say vastly different things. Maybe you do have "inside" knowledge and if that is the case I appreciate you sharing, but I don't think your message has been nearly as consistent as you claim.
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your an idiot
Usually a good idea when calling someone an idiot to check your grammar.
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Goose has serious problems. Get a life bro, you know nothing.
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Actually, I think you mean you're an idiot.
Oh, the irony
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They have no idea what to do and prolonged it for year. They have known for nine months or longer Buzz was not their cup of tea and were caught by surprise when SMU called. My guess they dared Buzz to leave and then backed down when they called their bluff.
Goose, if you want consistency, here you go: I have been consistent in my assessment of you. You are the biggest idiot on this board. I know I'm not supposed to name call, but you have actively worked to destroy this forum. What is your objective here? Are you a Badger supporter actively undermining MU? Are you a spurned employee of the university? Do you just enjoy spouting random diatribes on message boards to see what reaction you can generate.
I have to respect your ability to draw out insecurities from MU fans, but I fail to see your objective. You obviously have no insider "sources" and you are wrong about everything, yet you still are able to create a stir.
Addressing the premise of your statement here; why are we to assume that MU is the one program with an administration with super-pure morals and vision? Why are we to take your word that LW and the administration are put off by a coach by who continues to win and has some speculative negative publicity. They are supposed to be the one administration in the country who would have a problem with Buzz? Why? Because LW said it was unprofessional for Buzz to dance after WV (just as Buzz immediately said the same thing)?
Please leave MU bball and the rest of us alone. You are actively making this forum less enjoyable for me and others. Thank you in advance.
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You guys are being unfair to goose. He may leap to conclusions but he is right that there in tension between the admin and buzz. Not sure how seriously he really did look at smu or how much ball squeezing is going on but the tension is there.
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You guys are being unfair to goose. He may leap to conclusions but he is right that there in tension between the admin and buzz. Not sure how seriously he really did look at smu or how much ball squeezing is going on but the tension is there.
Unfair? He's trying to make legitimate tension between an existing employee and a new superior into some sort of war in The Al, which isn't true. He needs to be called out on it.
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...Are we seriously starting another massively long thread about speculation that Buzz will leave next year? For one I dont think Buzz will be very impressive next year and the interest in him will fizzle for a year, secondly I think this just needs to stop because its pretty idiotic at this point.
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...Are we seriously starting another massively long thread about speculation that Buzz will leave next year? For one I dont think Buzz will be very impressive next year and the interest in him will fizzle for a year, secondly I think this just needs to stop because its pretty idiotic at this point.
Buzz's stock nationally won't change even with a relatively down year. However, a down year that could help LW justify letting him bolt! It's all part of a conspiracy.
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Buzz's stock nationally won't change even with a relatively down year. However, a down year that could help LW justify letting him bolt! It's all part of a conspiracy.
I see what you did there
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Hey Guys,
My last post on the Buzz stuff, I promise. Sorry if I offended anyone and sincerely mean that. I let my emotions control the keypad and sorry if it pissed anyone off. Do want to add that my comments were based off legit conversations I had with a wide range of people, some not credible and some very credible. Hope this ends the way we ALL want it to.
Goose
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Hey Guys,
My last post on the Buzz stuff, I promise. Sorry if I offended anyone and sincerely mean that. I let my emotions control the keypad and sorry if it pissed anyone off. Do want to add that my comments were based off legit conversations I had with a wide range of people, some not credible and some very credible. Hope this ends the way we ALL want it to.
Goose
It's a message board. You have no reason to apologize unless you're personally attacking people.
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LOL...think this idiot was the target and obviously I hit a nerve with many here. Do not think I attacked anyone, but time to move on.
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Hey Guys,
My last post on the Buzz stuff, I promise. Sorry if I offended anyone and sincerely mean that. I let my emotions control the keypad and sorry if it pissed anyone off. Do want to add that my comments were based off legit conversations I had with a wide range of people, some not credible and some very credible. Hope this ends the way we ALL want it to.
Goose
Never have to apologize. I said it before, you're not wrong, but your information is blown entirely out of proportion.
I'm moving on as well, agree to disagree.
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Hey Guys,
My last post on the Buzz stuff, I promise. Goose
LOL...think this idiot was the target and obviously I hit a nerve with many here. Do not think I attacked anyone, but time to move on.
now that's funny!
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Freeport Warrior stated speculated without providing any proof, in another thread that Marquette actively reached out to some targets on Tuesday when it looked like we were going to lose Buzz. Buzz released a public statement saying he's our basketball coach. Anyone care to speculate on which coaches were contacted continue to smack a gigantic radioactive hornets' nest for fun?
FIXED.
Oh, and here's my list of who they reached out to: Phil Jackson, Red Auerbach's ghost, Bill Cowher, Joe Torre, and George HW Bush. I know, because a Marquette donor/insider who may or may not exist totally told me.
Yesterday, it was Buzz' demeanor on his show that provided the double down on the stupid. Guess this is the base for the triple down.
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Lab logic: Buzz didn't leave means Buzz (and Pilarz, L Williams and the BOT) are and have been at all times perfectly happy. Nothing to see here. He never considered leaving because Andy Katz (who had Crean taking a job at Illinois he was never even considered for) didn't report on it. Nice.
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Well, where is the evidence? Tangible evidence? I don't have any evidence that they were perfectly happy, and never said as much. I just have said that based on what I can observe, it sure looks like a huge tornado of nothing just happened.
Maybe Buzz and "Double Secret Agent Bent on Destroying MU Basketball" Larry aren't happy, but how the hell do you know? You choose to believe a message board & bigmouth alumni donor sewing circles full of gossip. I'm just taking stock of the actual events that occurred. At this point, it's pretty much trench warfare around this issue. Unless you produce a written statement, video, etc., of Buzz saying he isn't happy, and doesn't like Larry Williams, I won't believe you. THE. END.
And if Buzz is anything the person he claims to be, he should have said something. He didn't. IF he truly was unhappy, and leaked a bunch of info to folks like IWB, and other clucking alumni, then he's an immature coward. Count me as a person who MOST DEFINITELY DOES NOT THINK THAT.
Oh, and Andy Katz is a laughable, grade A hack; I don't believe a word of what he says, either. I do think the fact that even he, of all people, couldn't be bothered to cobble together his usual crap on a stick conjecture about coaching jobs, is noteable, however.
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Unless you produce a written statement, video, etc., of Buzz saying he isn't happy, and doesn't like Larry Williams, I won't believe you. THE. END.
You forgot to add a "neener neener" here.
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I'm not torching any DIRECT sources, so if you think I "speculated," so be it.
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Lab, I'm totally ok with whatever you believe based on your reading of the facts or lack thereof. There won't be any DNA or physical evidence. I just think there's way too much smoke from way too many friends of the program to not think there was (is?) a little fire. A lot of that smoke has been repeated to me, but I'm not telling you to believe my source. I'm just saying that I do. I never said Buzz was gone and I'm ecstatic he isn't - but that doesn't mean that there weren't (aren't?) serious disagreements/problems.
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Here, let me save everyone about 100 pages...
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Superbar.
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Lab to me seems jealous he doesn't know anything and simply uses inflamatory to cover that up. Seriously if you expect that level of proof on a message board how can you ever gain any insight on anything? Like recruiting speculation? The same guy (iwb) who alluded to both the taylor and burton commits just before they came out also alluded to buzz and his change of relationships and the fact he was looking at smu. If you need more proof you are going to be dissatisfied often.
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Here, let me save everyone about 100 pages...
Blah blah blah
Haiku
Blah blah blah
Lady bits
Blah blah blah
Carp is extremely tasty
Blah blah blah
Superbar.
Spolier Alert!
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I'd say buckle the f'up this is going to get fun, but we just went through an 100+ pages of this.
Buckle the f up
this is going to be fun,
hundred Deane pages.
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I'd say buckle the f'up this is going to get fun, but we just went through an 100+ pages of this.
Buckle the f up
this is going to be fun,
hundred Deane pages.
belly up to the bar
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Lab to me seems jealous he doesn't know anything and simply uses inflamatory to cover that up.
Ooooh; yeah, I am sooooooo jealous.
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Ooooh; yeah, I am sooooooo jealous.
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So Lab's a woman too now? We should really start adding this kind of information to the wiki.
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So Lab's a woman too now? We should really start adding this kind of information to the wiki.
I don't know, but his/her avatar creeps the hell out of me.
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Never knew that Dean-O and Crean shared the same Milwaukee tie haberdasher until just now.
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You guys are being unfair to goose. He may leap to conclusions but he is right that there in tension between the admin and buzz. Not sure how seriously he really did look at smu or how much ball squeezing is going on but the tension is there.
Sultan,
You area beacon of reason, and for that I thank you. I agree with you, in that Goose wasn't totally wrong, but he was portraying the situation as something personal, when it was not.
Fr P and LW want Buzz to tighten it up, and have expectations that it will tighten up. I suppose if Buzz decides he can't live with that, or that it is not reasonable, he may leave. I hope that doesn't happen. I love Buzz.
In other words, Goose was fanning the flames, and the board suffered.
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As long as we have a President and AD who are looking for a way to get rid of him without firing him it won't take an offer from a blue blood, just a school better than SMU. It's going to be a long year for buzz, sort of like when Costanza had that job where the bosses gave him a crappy office and tried to make life hell for him.
Dude, where do you get off using "we".
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Ooooh; yeah, I am sooooooo jealous.
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Notice you didn't address the rest of what I said. Figures.
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Ooooh; yeah, I am sooooooo jealous.
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The true irony is LW's use of Liz Lemon, who is always sarcastic about her desires, yet it always turns out that the assumptions of Jack about what she wants from life are more accurate than her own.
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In fairness to Lab, a lot of the speculation around here is on various topics that have some factual support.
Example: We know Buzz was recruiting X player because he was spotted at his games, so a rumor saying that MU signed X player is plausible.
In this case, a new boss(es), some off the court issues and bad PR MIGHT have created friction between Buzz and the MU administration. Fine.
But, there aren't a ton of tangible facts that we have seen that support this, and that's where the board went off the rails.
What I read:
- Larry wants to be more like ND or Northwestern
- Larry is a "Football guy"
- Pilarz/BOT think MU's athletic budget is out of control, would like it to be more like SLU
- MU is dumb because they changed the nickname, and they will probably run Buzz out of town too!
- Some well healed alums might be sneaky racist and would like more white players
- MU lets Buzz recruit players no other coach was allowed to (cheap shot BTW)
- MU might hate JUCOS
- Larry's JS quotes were mean
For me, that's where everything went sideways. To say there might be some friction seems plausible, but the ensuing thought process of some was insane and didn't make any sense.
Most of the people here are alumni. We're smart people. We shouldn't fall for some of this sh*t.
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i can't believe a troll has started a 4 page thread....
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Never knew that Dean-O and Crean shared the same Milwaukee tie haberdasher until just now.
Jos. A. Banks is a national chain.
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The true irony is LW's use of Liz Lemon, who is always sarcastic about her desires, yet it always turns out that the assumptions of Jack about what she wants from life are more accurate than her own.
Or, alternatively, the dramatic irony of Tina Fey, who plays and writes Liz Lemon's character, is in reality smashingly successful and one of the best comedy writers of the past 20 years?
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Goose,
I am with u on this I do know a large financial MU supporter very well who happens to heve the same thoughts and insights u do? We talked in Phoenix and he is very concerned with the current folks running MU. Unless things improve the next 12 months, and they may, Buzz will take his skills elsewhere. Count on it? Pilarz is not Bob Wild.
Isn't Dr. Childs a big donor? He doesn't seem that concerned.
What I'm taking away from all of this is that some in the administration do feel uncomfortable about how things have gone and some of the bad press that has come with it. Some posters here said similar things and got crushed pretty good for it. Now we see the same crushing of the President and the Athletic Director. Some of it is almost hysterically conspiratorial.