Any thoughts on who will be expected to do well in conf next year?
I'm scared of how good st johns could be. They are all stud freshman and lavin will be back. Also assuming nova will bounce back.
what say you?
Btw - I think we are no worse than top 5 in conf next year...
We have no time for this nonsense.
There are haikus to be spun, nits to pick, baseless rumors to be taken as gospel....
Actually, this is the first breathe of fresh air on this board. ;D
Nova should be much better. ND will suck. Curious how USF will do.....great showing this year.
Quote from: JTBMU7 on March 26, 2012, 07:37:47 PM
Any thoughts on who will be expected to do well in conf next year?
I'm scared of how good st johns could be. They are all stud freshman and lavin will be back. Also assuming nova will bounce back.
what say you?
We should finish in the 5 range, yeah
Are St Johns bringing in more top recuits? I know Moe Harkless is leaving so are they replacing him?
Quote from: real chili 83 on March 26, 2012, 07:46:40 PM
We have no time for this nonsense.
There are haikus to be spun, nits to pick, baseless rumors to be taken as gospel....
Actually, this is the first breathe of fresh air on this board. ;D
Nova should be much better. ND will suck. Curious how USF will do.....great showing this year.
Why do you think ND will suck? looks like they have a good recruiting class and they only have one SR leaving. Are players transfering?
Quote from: MUFanatic4Life on March 26, 2012, 07:55:42 PM
Why do you think ND will suck? looks like they have a good recruiting class and they only have one SR leaving. Are players transfering?
Cause, they are ND. That is my "objective" opinion.
Quote from: real chili 83 on March 26, 2012, 07:59:03 PM
Cause, they are ND. That is my "objective" opinion.
aha gotcha
I believe St. John's best player has already signed with an agent.
Quote from: JTBMU7 on March 26, 2012, 07:37:47 PM
Any thoughts on who will be expected to do well in conf next year?
I'm scared of how good st johns could be. They are all stud freshman and lavin will be back. Also assuming nova will bounce back.
what say you?
It looks like Harkless for st. Johns and Wayns for Nova are leaving for the NBA. So that will put a dent in both of those teams.
Louisville will be the overwhelming favorites and could be preseason #1. They return everyone except Chris Smith and Kyle Kuric. And IMO, losing Kuric is addition by subtraction. He's way too 3-happy. They'll be better off without him jacking up every almost-open three he gets half a look at.
I am still confused as to who will in the Big East next season. West Virginia is gone. Will Memphis already be in the league next year? Who else?
Pretty sure it will be the same minus WVU, which means 1 year of 4 mirror opponents.
I'll sign up for a top 5 finish right now. We will have less talent than this year.
At least less experienced talent.
can we get a value add rundown of the 2012-2013 Big East? I have to imagine Cuse and LVille will be at the top even without kuric/smith/waiters. Georgetown had a bunch of young guys who will be back. Ditto for us and Notre Dame, except we lose more off the top. If that shot-blocking forward from Cincy steps in to fill Yancy's space the bearcats should be good again too.
Looks like the BEast will have an up year, even with teams like UConn and Nova trending downward.
i think college hoops overall will be down next year, not just the big east. seems like this year, due to the lockout uncertainty, more young guys stuck around (sullinger, henson, zeller, lamb, etc) which made for some really great, proven teams with returning talent.
safe to say Kentucky will reload, but outside of them, where are the really heavy hitters?
back to the BEAST... i am really curious to see what Pitt does after such a tough year, not sure who they return, but i have to imagine they will be better. Providence was also very young/talented, i would assume that would translate into a somewhat "up" year for them too.
GTown/Lville are my picks to be tops headed into next year, with Cincy, MU, Cuse and nova right behind.
ND will be what they always are... fundamentally sound, weak in the non-conf, get it together near the middle of conf play, win a few big games at home, fizzle out in the post season. no real threat there.
1. L'ville
2. Cuse
3. MU
4. Gtown
5. Cincy
6. USF
7. ND
8. Pitt
9. uconn
10. Nova
11. Stj
12. Rutgers
13. PC
14. SH
15. DP
Quote from: JTBMU7 on March 26, 2012, 09:36:37 PM
i think college hoops overall will be down next year, not just the big east. seems like this year, due to the lockout uncertainty, more young guys stuck around (sullinger, henson, zeller, lamb, etc) which made for some really great, proven teams with returning talent.
safe to say Kentucky will reload, but outside of them, where are the really heavy hitters?
Yeah, it's a well known fact that no athletic people were born 18 years ago. There is no fresh crop of talent to replace this year's talent. It will be a down year for all of college basketball. Probably take a few years to recover from it.
I can't speak to the rest of the conference, but I think we'll be fine next year if we are healthy (big if). Otule/Gardner/Wilson is the best and most experienced front court we've had in a long time. Rely on them to set the table. Get some improvement from Mayo and Blue at 2 guard and that will help to make up for some of the loss of DJO (this is the biggest question mark, but I think it will work out ok). Cadougan will be a senior and I think he'll play well next year.
Will it be a dropoff from this year? Probably. But I think it will be a good, competitive team.
Quote from: TJ on March 27, 2012, 09:31:25 AM
I can't speak to the rest of the conference, but I think we'll be fine next year if we are healthy (big if). Otule/Gardner/Wilson is the best and most experienced front court we've had in a long time. Rely on them to set the table. Get some improvement from Mayo and Blue at 2 guard and that will help to make up for some of the loss of DJO (this is the biggest question mark, but I think it will work out ok). Cadougan will be a senior and I think he'll play well next year.
Will it be a dropoff from this year? Probably. But I think it will be a good, competitive team.
Right now the biggest thing is who's at the helm. If Buzz is back or we get someone who can retain what we have and the commits coming in, we can play at a high level and be a top-6 or better team. Lose Buzz and we could end up losing half our team as well as our incoming recruits.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 27, 2012, 09:39:04 AM
Right now the biggest thing is who's at the helm. If Buzz is back or we get someone who can retain what we have and the commits coming in, we can play at a high level and be a top-6 or better team. Lose Buzz and we could end up losing half our team as well as our incoming recruits.
I'm curious about the rules concerning transferring within the conference. If Buzz left for SMU Would Buzz be hindered in bringing along any of his players? Also, since SMU officially doesn't join Big East until 2013, would that be a loophole?
Quote from: seinfeld on March 27, 2012, 09:42:23 AM
I'm curious about the rules concerning transferring within the conference. If Buzz left for SMU Would Buzz be hindered in bringing along any of his players? Also, since SMU officially doesn't join Big East until 2013, would that be a loophole?
I honestly don't know, but the players wouldn't be eligible to play for SMU until they were in the Big East. I have to imagine that MU would appeal to the Big East to block any such moves, and I would also imagine that appeal would be granted.
But that said, I'd guess that we could end up losing TJ Taylor and Aaron Durley at the least, and it wouldn't surprise me if Otule appealed for a 6th year, and once granted, provided he had graduated, left Marquette for SMU.
Losing Buzz is just the tip of the iceberg.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 27, 2012, 09:39:04 AM
Right now the biggest thing is who's at the helm. If Buzz is back or we get someone who can retain what we have and the commits coming in, we can play at a high level and be a top-6 or better team. Lose Buzz and we could end up losing half our team as well as our incoming recruits.
Well of course, but this is a thread to talk about next year's team and since there has been nothing but unsubstantiated rumors, gossip, and overreaction so far I am ignoring the coach talk in here and talking about next year's team as it currently stands.
Quote from: TJ on March 27, 2012, 09:48:19 AM
Well of course, but this is a thread to talk about next year's team and since there has been nothing but unsubstantiated rumors, gossip, and overreaction so far I am ignoring the coach talk in here and talking about next year's team as it currently stands.
+ a billion. I kind of tune out hoops for a few days and don't really visit this board and I come back and there seems to be a full blown melt down. If Buzz goes, he goes. Our future would then be in the hands of the Manchurian candidate AD. :o
Anyway, back to the topic at hand, I think the Big East is really up for grabs. Some opinions:
Rutgers is actually going to do better than most people expect. They seem to have a good recruiting class and have some good players returning.
ND sucks, but they will do o.k. as they always seem to do as someone already said, they will start slow gain momentum in the middle of the season and then fizzle in the post season.
Providence has a 5 star point guard and a couple of other good players coming in next year. If they gel, watch out. Henton is very good and with good guard play they could be top half BE.
My top 5 are:
1. Louisville
2. Georgetown
3. Cuse
4. Cincy
5. MU
Quote from: downtown85 on March 27, 2012, 10:26:54 AM
+ a billion. I kind of tune out hoops for a few days and don't really visit this board and I come back and there seems to be a full blown melt down. If Buzz goes, he goes. Our future would then be in the hands of the Manchurian candidate AD. :o
Anyway, back to the topic at hand, I think the Big East is really up for grabs. Some opinions:
Rutgers is actually going to do better than most people expect. They seem to have a good recruiting class and have some good players returning.
ND sucks, but they will do o.k. as they always seem to do as someone already said, they will start slow gain momentum in the middle of the season and then fizzle in the post season.
Providence has a 5 star point guard and a couple of other good players coming in next year. If they gel, watch out. Henton is very good and with good guard play they could be top half BE.
Not sure about Georgetown, they lose 2 starters, Notre Dame maybe better than you think? If Abromitas comes back, they will have 4 starters back plus him and I am sure they have a
few new recruits coming in. Rutgers will surprise, Providence will be much better. Syracuse now worse losing there 4 top players, Cinci only loses Gates, so I see: Louey, Cincy, GT, MU
and Cuse. Cuse is not done recruiting so lets see how they do in spring, they have the potential to sign gets late as there is playing time right now, Noel is the big name.
My top 5 are:
1. Louisville
2. Georgetown
3. Cuse
4. Cincy
5. MU
Quote from: TJ on March 27, 2012, 09:31:25 AM
I can't speak to the rest of the conference, but I think we'll be fine next year if we are healthy (big if). Otule/Gardner/Wilson is the best and most experienced front court we've had in a long time. Rely on them to set the table. Get some improvement from Mayo and Blue at 2 guard and that will help to make up for some of the loss of DJO (this is the biggest question mark, but I think it will work out ok). Cadougan will be a senior and I think he'll play well next year.
Will it be a dropoff from this year? Probably. But I think it will be a good, competitive team.
Otule coming off injury. Wilson lots of potential but still mostly unproven. Gardner a 20-minute-per-game player, at least so far.
So how is that frontcourt better than the 2010-11 frontcourt of a healthy Otule, future first-round draft pick Jimmy Butler, JUCO player of the year newcomer Jae Crowder and, by the final third of the season, developing freshman Gardner off the bench?
I did say 'if healthy', so assuming so:
Jimmy is amazing and played out of position out of necessity. I wasn't counting him as a front court player.
I think Otule will be far better now than he was in 10-11, when he only played about 17 minutes a game and scored about 5 a game.
Jae Crowder was really good in 10-11, but he dropped off pretty hard at the end of the year. I'm hoping that Wilson can fill that role well.
Gardner hardly played as a freshman, even during the final third of the season. He will be MUCH improved in 12-13 over his 10-11 role.
So in conclusion... 10-11 Otule, Crowder, Gardner < 12-13 Otule, Wilson, Gardner. Throw Butler into the mix and maybe you're right. I honestly don't care. My only point was that I'm looking forward to seeing what next year's front court can do and I think they'll lead us to a decent season.
Quote from: MU82 on March 27, 2012, 12:56:12 PM
Otule coming off injury. Wilson lots of potential but still mostly unproven. Gardner a 20-minute-per-game player, at least so far.
So how is that frontcourt better than the 2010-11 frontcourt of a healthy Otule, future first-round draft pick Jimmy Butler, JUCO player of the year newcomer Jae Crowder and, by the final third of the season, developing freshman Gardner off the bench?
When you add Steve Taylor to the mix next year is the definitely going to be one of our better frontcourts in awhile. We can afford foul trouble and not have big dropoffs like we've had in seasons past.
Guard is another story. A lot of big "ifs". Can Cadougan make the jump of scorer (I think he will) and can we get adequate three point shooting from the other guards?
I didn't mean to sound so nitpicky. I hope next season is our best frontcourt in years and years, and maybe it will be.
one of the best things ive seen over the past 2 seasons for us is the progression towards better and tougher team defense. the more length and size we add, the better that should get. solid, consistent D and rebounding is what usually separates good from great.
looking at a line up with vander, todd, jamil and otule makes me very optimistic that we make up for some of the scoring from jae/djo on the other end of the floor.
Quote from: real chili 83 on March 26, 2012, 07:46:40 PM
We have no time for this nonsense.
There are haikus to be spun, nits to pick, baseless rumors to be taken as gospel....
Actually, this is the first breathe of fresh air on this board. ;D
Nova should be much better. ND will suck. Curious how USF will do.....great showing this year.
Nd will suck??? Ahh they return every starter and there best player will be a soph. Listen i hate ND more than the next guy but they will be very good
Okay...here's my waaaaaay too early guesses at who I'd rate 1-15:
1) Louisville: They return virtually everyone, and shot-happy Kuric leaving is addition by subtraction. Considering who other programs will lose, I'd put them at preseason #1 not just in the Big East, but the country.
2) Cincinnati: Dixon and Gates are gone, but Mbodji, Jackson, and Gaines should all show improvement and Kilpatrick's already a stud. Shaquille Thomas will likely be an impact player, after his year off.
3) Notre Dame: I hate putting them up there, but with Atkins, Grant, and Cooley, they will be very good even if neither Abro nor Martin are back. Somehow Brey always gets his team to overachieve.
4) Syracuse: They lose Jardine, Joseph, and likely Melo, but still have Southerland, Triche, Keita, Fair, and possibly Waiters. Add in development from MCW and Christmas, along with the addition of McDAA DaJuan Coleman, and they'll be a contender again.
5) Marquette: Personally, I think the losses of DJO and Jae are significant, but not as major as many think. Jamil Wilson has already shown flashes, Mayo and TJ are both scoring 2s. Add in expected improvement from Blue and Gardner, the return of Otule, and a steady senior point and this team can challenge for a double-bye.
6) Pittsburgh: Down year, but they'll be back. Losing chucker Ashton Gibbs is the best thing that can happen to this team. They are loaded with talent and a senior Woodall will steady this team.
7) Rutgers: I think they make the jump. Miller will be a senior and they had a stud 2011 class that will all be sophomores, including Myles Mack and Eli Carter. Think this year's Seton Hall, but I like Mike Rice to avoid the late-season collapse.
8) Georgetown: They will be one of the favorites, but losing Sims, Clark, and Thompson is a lot. Zero senior leadership, and while Porter and Whittington are studs, what else is there?
9) South Florida: They lose a lot, and Rudd is a fool to declare early, but they return Poland, Fitzpatrick, Collins, and Nash, and add two solid JUCOs. They'll scrap their way close to the NCAAs again.
10) St. John's: They lose Harkless, but so much talent has had a chance to grow up. Harrison and Garrett are studs, Sampson will be good from day one, and Branch will be an immediate contributor come Big East season. Maybe not NCAA-worthy, but they can at least get back to the bubble.
11) Providence: Council is the best player in the Big East no one talks about, Henton is a stud, and they bring in a great recruiting class, including McDAA Kris Dunn. Ed Cooley has them going in the right direction.
12) Villanova: Wayns declared? Ouch...Ty Johnson better grow up fast. Wright has a talented team, but little leadership and they're still young. VU is a rudderless speedboat.
13) Connecticut: Lamb, Drummond, Boatright, and Oriakhi will all be gone, so the question is how far can Shabazz Napier carry an inexperienced team with reduced scholarships and no hopes of the NCAAs? My guess is not far...this may be overrating them.
14) DePaul: I am a huge fan of Young and Melvin, but there's so little supporting cast. Guys like Morgan, Kirk, McKinney, and Clahar need to contribute a lot more to lift them in the standings. If Young and Melvin never see postseason play, that would be really sad for two players as good as they are.
15) Seton Hall: For all Marquette loses in DJO and Jae, SHU loses more in Theodore and Pope simply because there's no one to pick up the load. No seniors and Fuquan Edwin is your best player. Hello, cellar.