Only one not playing scared...only one playing with passion n effort
Need better pg play, against the elite ain't cutting it.....Vander needs to learn how to finish, leaves a crap load of points on the floor. Need a big that can board and block shots.
When we face these uber talented elite teams we find out where our talent really stands.
Mayo our pg next year? Just asking.
We were our bad selves tonight. If DJO and Crowder have off nights, we cannot win. Just not enough talent elsewhere. Blue and Cadougan were dreadful, our shot selection in the second half was brutal. What happened to paint touches? I've watched this tournament a lot and if there is one thing you can count on, its that the team that starts firing threes early in the shot clock will lose every time.
Thanks to the guys for a great season. Hate for us to go out playing so badly.
Everyone showed up and played their heart out. Crowder and DJO pressed a little too much and they ended up looking tight. Jamil Wilson had an outstanding game and had the most energy out there most of the game. Gardner played with a wooden leg.
Some of our shots fall and we get the correct call on the flagrant and we would have walked away with a comfortable win.
Every time Blue had the ball in transition in the open floor (going 1 on 3), I literally screamed at my tv "bring it out". Sadly, Blue never took my advice.
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on March 22, 2012, 11:20:37 PM
Only one not playing scared...only one playing with passion n effort
Actually, he's the only one who shot respectably. I have no doubt that MU would beat FL in a best of 7 but that doesn't matter. FL deserved to win tonight and I hope they win on Saturday afternoon as well.
Quote from: MUDish on March 22, 2012, 11:40:44 PM
Every time Blue had the ball in transition in the open floor (going 1 on 3), I literally screamed at my tv "bring it out". Sadly, Blue never took my advice.
Yeah, he's just not THAT good. Don't think he ever will be, sadly.
Mayo played possessed. Great game by him. Let's face it...Florida had more talent top to bottom than we did. Gotta think Donovan taled to Pitino.
Mayo brought it, surprisingly after first few minutes team just seemed flat.....I will think Buzz will lament what coulda been and say we were not US.....props to Gators their D was better then I thought
surprisingly - Mayo only bright spot. A healthy Gardner, Otule back and Wilson. We may be okay. Don't expect much from Cadougan, Blue or others...
Quote from: forgetful on March 22, 2012, 11:39:22 PM
Everyone showed up and played their heart out. Crowder and DJO pressed a little too much and they ended up looking tight. Jamil Wilson had an outstanding game and had the most energy out there most of the game. Gardner played with a wooden leg.
Some of our shots fall and we get the correct call on the flagrant and we would have walked away with a comfortable win.
I agree that Wilson had great energy as well. it seemed odd that DJO didn't try to take over a little more but maybe he met his match.
Quote from: MUDish on March 22, 2012, 11:40:44 PM
Every time Blue had the ball in transition in the open floor (going 1 on 3), I literally screamed at my tv "bring it out". Sadly, Blue never took my advice.
Been screaming it at him for two years. He's just really bad offensively. Great rebounder, pretty good defender, but just a mess trying to score.
Quote from: CTWarrior on March 22, 2012, 11:48:50 PM
Been screaming it at him for two years. He's just really bad offensively. Great rebounder, pretty good defender, but just a mess trying to score.
I should have said I've been screaming at him for two years too, just a bit louder tonight.
Blue is probably the most frustrating player I've seen at MU. Has great athletic abilities, seems like he should be a stud, but is a terrrible decision maker, not even trying to be mean to the kid, but he's just such a terrible decision maker. His offensive game is so bad, it's deflating.
Blue is getting beat on about finishing but he actually did a good job of bringing ball up the floor.
I am OK with most of Vander's game BUT he clearly needs to work on his shot from 10-15 ft out, and also his finish at the rim.......he has some of the weirdest spin when he puts the ball up off glass, does not finish near enough for an athletic 6'4" kid......get in the gym and keep working
i dont think there is much vander is going to be able to do to change his game at this point. For as highly recruited as he was, he has developed zero offensive game. Give me about any starting junior guard in the last 10 years over blue next year.
When a chorus of fans is shouting "DON'T DO IT, DON'T DO IT!" when Vander is streaking down the court with the ball, you'd have to think the coaches are saying the same thing. Not sure why they haven't beaten that out of him.
Vander just does not have the software version necessary to place his body in the right spot, place the ball in the right place around the rim while defenders are on him.
How old is Vander? 18? Maybe he just turned 19?
I have very little concern about his ability to finish improving as he becomes more physically mature.
I'd rather Vander attack the rim and get stuffed than watch another contested three or long two. One of the reasons, MU shot terribly was because they took a lot of bad shots last night.
Quote from: 46-47warriorcaptain on March 23, 2012, 12:18:49 AM
i dont think there is much vander is going to be able to do to change his game at this point. For as highly recruited as he was, he has developed zero offensive game. Give me about any starting junior guard in the last 10 years over blue next year.
I am suprised that Vander didn't develope any offensive game this year. Just curious do any of you on here consider him a bust up to this point?
Vander Blue is a special talent. I am not saying this, every top basketball guy says this. He has NBA frame and outstanding rebounding and defensive skills. He makes plays that no one on the court can make in most games. No doubt he has a ton to improve on but anyone who does not think he goes to next level is mistaken in my opinion.
Quote from: Henry Sugar on March 23, 2012, 08:34:48 AM
I'd rather Vander attack the rim and get stuffed than watch another contested three or long two. One of the reasons, MU shot terribly was because they took a lot of bad shots last night.
Shot selection was poor at times. Too many quick threes. Didn't attack enough.
Quote from: Dreadman24 on March 23, 2012, 08:38:22 AM
I am suprised that Vander didn't develope any offensive game this year. Just curious do any of you on here consider him a bust up to this point?
No because he is the best perimeter defender on the team. He may not be living up to expectations, but "bust" is too strong a word.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on March 23, 2012, 08:26:45 AM
When a chorus of fans is shouting "DON'T DO IT, DON'T DO IT!" when Vander is streaking down the court with the ball, you'd have to think the coaches are saying the same thing. Not sure why they haven't beaten that out of him.
Vander just does not have the software version necessary to place his body in the right spot, place the ball in the right place around the rim while defenders are on him.
I remember people, myself included, saying the same thing about jer mcNeal his freshman and sophomore year. He was a loose cannon on his drives to the basket and an inconsistent jump shooter. Look what happened his junior and senior year. 28% from 3 his freshman year to 40% his senior year. Granted mcneal scored more than blue his first two years but he also was playing more out of necessity and had a different role on the team.
My point is give blue a break. He will improve and be a solid scorer the next couple of years. He does many other things very well.
BTW dimes I thought you were going to stay away if mu lost.
Vander cannot be considered a good basketball player until he learns how to make layups. My wife screams every time he has the ball and drives towards the basket. We have never seen a player who drives fairly well but for some reason or other cannot make layups!
Quote from: msbjim on March 23, 2012, 08:47:33 AM
Vander cannot be considered a good basketball player until he learns how to make layups. My wife screams every time he has the ball and drives towards the basket. We have never seen a player who drives fairly well but for some reason or other cannot make layups!
Vander Blue is a good basketball player now. He is an incredible rebounder for his size (lead the team last night in only 26 minutes), and the best perimeter defender on the team. He is poor offensively, but basketball is more than offense.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 23, 2012, 08:49:37 AM
Vander Blue is a good basketball player now. He is an incredible rebounder for his size (lead the team last night in only 26 minutes), and the best perimeter defender on the team. He is poor offensively, but basketball is more than offense.
What?!? Since when?!
Quote from: msbjim on March 23, 2012, 08:47:33 AM
Vander cannot be considered a good basketball player until he learns how to make layups. My wife screams every time he has the ball and drives towards the basket. We have never seen a player who drives fairly well but for some reason or other cannot make layups!
disagree, yes he is missing close shots, but he is showing incredible atheletic ability to even get to the point where he takes the shots. I am confident the shots will start to fall.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 23, 2012, 08:49:37 AM
Vander Blue is a good basketball player now. He is an incredible rebounder for his size (lead the team last night in only 26 minutes), and the best perimeter defender on the team. He is poor offensively, but basketball is more than offense.
He is typically a very good perimeter defender, but he wasn't very good last night. Couldn't keep anyone in front of him.
Quote from: hairyworthen on March 23, 2012, 08:45:16 AM
I remember people, myself included, saying the same thing about jer mcNeal his freshman and sophomore year. He was a loose cannon on his drives to the basket and an inconsistent jump shooter. Look what happened his junior and senior year. 28% from 3 his freshman year to 40% his senior year. Granted mcneal scored more than blue his first two years but he also was playing more out of necessity and had a different role on the team.
My point is give blue a break. He will improve and be a solid scorer the next couple of years. He does many other things very well.
BTW dimes I thought you were going to stay away if mu lost.
Vander Blue is not 20% of the offensive player that sophomore Jerel McNeal was! I don't understand this comparison, which we hear often, at all. Jerel McNeal could get to the basket and he could finish. Every shot Blue takes other than a put back is a bad idea for MU. With McNeal there was plenty of good offense to offset the bad. With Blue there isn't.
Quote from: Rubie Q on March 23, 2012, 08:55:45 AM
He is typically a very good perimeter defender, but he wasn't very good last night. Couldn't keep anyone in front of him.
He is a good perimeter defender, not an elite, lockdown defender. He is a fantastic rebounder for his size, though.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 23, 2012, 08:49:37 AM
Vander Blue is a good basketball player now. He is an incredible rebounder for his size (lead the team last night in only 26 minutes), and the best perimeter defender on the team. He is poor offensively, but basketball is more than offense.
I get what you're saying, but unfortunately most fans don't see all the things he does to help the team( defense and rebounding). I like Vander, but at the end of the day he has to learn how to put the ball in the basket. That will start by completely changing his shooting form.
Vander's problem last night was going 1 against 3 to the hoop on breaks. These were poor decisions, not inability to finish at the rim.
Decision making improves with experience. Vander will be a 1st round draft pick by the time he's done at Marquette.
Quote from: CTWarrior on March 23, 2012, 08:57:35 AM
Vander Blue is not 20% of the offensive player that sophomore Jerel McNeal was! I don't understand this comparison, which we hear often, at all. Jerel McNeal could get to the basket and he could finish. Every shot Blue takes other than a put back is a bad idea for MU. With McNeal there was plenty of good offense to offset the bad. With Blue there isn't.
I didn't say blue is the same or close to the same offensive player. I am saying mcneal improved significantly from his freshman year to his senior year especially finishing and shooting, and so will blue. If you think that mcneal finished everytime on a drive his freshman year, you are not remembering. He often took ill advised drives to the basket that he didnt finish and no he wasn't a great shooter his freshman year especially from 3.
Quote from: ringout on March 23, 2012, 09:17:03 AM
Vander's problem last night was going 1 against 3 to the hoop on breaks. These were poor decisions, not inability to finish at the rim.
Decision making improves with experience. Vander will be a 1st round draft pick by the time he's done at Marquette.
this exactly. Not for lack of ability, but poor decisions, what did al say about sophmores
No offense my wife also screams about Vander Blue and she has zero idea of true basketball talent. When it comes down to it VB's skills are noticed my people that really understand the game. The average fan overlooks DJO's wild, head down drives to the basket over and over because he is a scorer. He makes more dumb plays in a half that many smart players make in half a season.
VB has a ton of work to do but not realize how advanced he is in some ways is looking at glass half empty. If he he can continue to improve his strengths and vastly improve his liabilities he might be one of our best of all time. We all Jamil Wilson on here and with good reason. But, he has a ton of areas to improve as well. All I can say is I will take our chances with the kids coming back all day long. In years past we had kids coming back that really could not raise the bar. VB, JW and TM are a core that most teams would love to have.
Hairy---I agee completely on VB being a first round draft pick. I just hope it is in two years and not one. Trust me guys the people that know think this kid is an NBA player.
No doubt Blue struggled tonite. He does need to work on his finishing. for whatever reason he wants to short arm or flip everything at the rim. His 8 foot pull up that went 4 feet? His two air balled layups? he needs to put the ball in the shooting pocket and reach for the rim and finish properly and his shooting percentage will go way up. Personally, I think eveything else Vander does for us warrants him being on the court.
Now on the other hand a kid like Todd Mayo can really defend and rebound too. And is clearly much more gifted offensively. right now going into next year they probably both get a ton of playing time, but if a kid like TJ taylor or Ferguson can rebound and defend like Vander and Todd and bring good offense Vander may see his time be affected.
Quote from: Henry Sugar on March 23, 2012, 08:34:48 AM
How old is Vander? 18? Maybe he just turned 19?
I have very little concern about his ability to finish improving as he becomes more physically mature.
I'd rather Vander attack the rim and get stuffed than watch another contested three or long two. One of the reasons, MU shot terribly was because they took a lot of bad shots last night.
Whether he progresses in his next two years at Marquette .. is a given (???). But that's not today's problem.
If Vander was better at drawing fouls, then I'd agree with you on driving the lane. Unfortunately, he's not. He gets blocked, or just clanks one off the rim. I'd rather him distribute the ball than go with his usual low percentage attempt.
True. Good defensive players are valuable, but players that can do both - offense and defense - are much more valuable. Not being able to score - whether outside or inside and consistently fail to make "bunnies" as Al called them - hurts a lot and greatly decreases our chances of winning. It's something that must be corrected.
Vander is what he is at this point: an incredible raw athlete -- probably a half-step above Dom James, and even Wade -- which allows him to do very nice things on the defensive end of the floor. And the things he can do defensively should earn him 25 minutes a game on their own.
But he's not a very skilled basketball player, primarily because he could get by for so long on that incredible raw athletic ability. Maybe that will develop with time. Personally, I think if it WAS going to develop, we would have seen signs of it this year. By and large, we didn't.
Topper--Your points are right and agree completely. Once he learns how to draw a foul it will be different story. Of course he is a work in progress and we all know that. Good news he has a lot to work with.
Quote from: Rubie Q on March 23, 2012, 09:30:01 AM
Vander is what he is at this point: an incredible raw athlete -- probably a half-step above Dom James, and even Wade
:o
Vander needs to watch some film of Houston's Phi Slamma Jam teams. Now THAT is how you attack the basket.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on March 23, 2012, 09:32:24 AM
:o
You disagree? There's a reason he set all those records during individual workouts.
Quote from: msbjim on March 23, 2012, 09:29:22 AM
True. Good defensive players are valuable, but players that can do both - offense and defense - are much more valuable. Not being able to score - whether outside or inside and consistently fail to make "bunnies" as Al called them - hurts a lot and greatly decreases our chances of winning. It's something that must be corrected.
Agree wholeheartedly. If we start Cadougan, Otule and Blue next year, that is basically 3 guys you don't have to guard. When the other two guys aren't DJO and Crowder, that is going to be a problem. I'm being a little unfair to Cadougan, who is a very fine passer in the half court, just not much of a scorer.
Vander can get so high he could definitely change his game by focusing on finishing hard with contact instead of trying to lay it in with finesse.
The one thing he could use from DJO's or Mayo's game is the ability to switch gears. Going full speed into a triple team is much less effective than downshifting and making the defense make the first move.
Quote from: Rubie Q on March 23, 2012, 09:30:01 AM
But he's not a very skilled basketball player, primarily because he could get by for so long on that incredible raw athletic ability. Maybe that will develop with time. Personally, I think if it WAS going to develop, we would have seen signs of it this year. By and large, we didn't.
In Blue's last 10 games prior to the Tournament, he scored in double-figured 7 times, averaged 10.8 ppg, shot 44% from the floor and 79% on FTs. That's definitely development since last season.
Is there any MU fan who wouldn't take those scoring/shooting numbers from Blue next season?
Really sort of stunned so much talk is being given to Vander right now. When our PG position was again ...non-existant? Our starter disappears menatlly or physically for entire games and our backup is at this point not even backing him up??
Was the weakness on the team this year ...and is the key to next year. cannot imagine where this team might have gone this year with a Diener, hutchins, Miller, James, Henry, etc. at the point.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on March 23, 2012, 09:24:43 AM
If Vander was better at drawing fouls, then I'd agree with you on driving the lane. Unfortunately, he's not.
Agreed on his finishing around the hoop, but to be fair, none of our guys were getting the whistles down low that we normally do. Not DJO, not Crowder, and definitely not Ox.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on March 23, 2012, 09:44:11 AM
In Blue's last 10 games prior to the Tournament, he scored in double-figured 7 times, averaged 10.8 ppg, shot 44% from the floor and 79% on FTs. That's definitely development since last season.
We can pick all the arbitrary end points we want: in his last 10 games, including the tournament (read: against better competition), he hit double-figures four times, averaged 8.0 points, per game, and shot 34.3% from the floor.
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on March 23, 2012, 09:48:34 AM
Really sort of stunned so much talk is being given to Vander right now. When our PG position was again ...non-existant? Our starter disappears menatlly or physically for entire games and our backup is at this point not even backing him up??
Was the weakness on the team this year ...and is the key to next year. cannot imagine where this team might have gone this year with a Diener, hutchins, Miller, James, Henry, etc. at the point.
I talk about Blue too much because there's just something about the way he plays offense that gets under my skin.
I think Cadougan is OK (a B/B- kind of player). But the lack of a playable alternative when he is not playing well or in foul trouble like last night was a huge issue all season. Blue did a fine job of getting the ball across half court against the press last night, but then could not orchestrate any kind of offense whatsoever once we got into the half court. D Wilson is much the same. He won't hurt you with turnovers but at the same time he won't do anything positive, either. A dynamic point guard is the best player a college team can have.
Quote from: drewm88 on March 23, 2012, 09:52:15 AM
.. none of our guys were getting the whistles down low that we normally do. Not DJO, not Crowder, and definitely not Ox.
No disagreement there. But in games' past, those other guys have a much higher ability to draw them.
Quote from: Rubie Q on March 23, 2012, 09:55:43 AM
We can pick all the arbitrary end points we want: in his last 10 games, including the tournament (read: against better competition), he hit double-figures four times, averaged 8.0 points, per game, and shot 34.3% from the floor.
I think the pounding on Vander is unwarranted...whether u use his 10 ppg stat or ur 8 ppg stat it is clearly better than he did down the stretch last year. Add in his defense and rebounding and those are really some pretty solid numbers for a sophomore.
i think the issue is when DJO struggle or jae struggle and our PG once again drove to the wrong arena people look to Vander, bacause of his billing, to be the star that carries the day.
He is simply not today that player. he is a great complimentary player. Going forward hopefully he can take the next step to being a go to guy who can be counted on on the offensive end nightly or someone else can take that mantle.
Even if he does not become that primary or secondary scorere, if he can improve going into next year like he did from frosh to soph year he is going to be a really key part of our team.
Quote from: msbjim on March 23, 2012, 09:29:22 AM
True. Good defensive players are valuable, but players that can do both - offense and defense - are much more valuable.
That is one stunning basketball observation.
I completely agree that he needs to develop offensively, and I completely agree that he has not met expectations, but there is a reason why Buzz plays him. He does a couple of things very well and is very valuable because of it. Yesterday was an example...he lead the team in rebounding and when Junior was in foul trouble, Vander pretty much ran the point and had ZERO turnovers.
And the guy just finished his sophomore year. Plenty of time to grow.
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on March 23, 2012, 10:14:37 AM
I think the pounding on Vander is unwarranted...whether u use his 10 ppg stat or ur 8 ppg stat it is clearly better than he did down the stretch last year. Add in his defense and rebounding and those are really some pretty solid numbers for a sophomore.
i think the issue is when DJO struggle or jae struggle and our PG once again drove to the wrong arena people look to Vander, bacause of his billing, to be the star that carries the day.
He is simply not today that player. he is a great complimentary player. Going forward hopefully he can take the next step to being a go to guy who can be counted on on the offensive end nightly or someone else can take that mantle.
Even if he does not become that primary or secondary scorere, if he can improve going into next year like he did from frosh to soph year he is going to be a really key part of our team.
It would've been next to impossible for him not to improve on his numbers down the stretch last year, since he averaged, what, 1.0 point per game in the last 10 last year?
Anyway, I don't think I'm pounding on Vander. I think he's very good -- and potentially elite -- defensively, but he's limited offensively and is close to his ceiling if he doesn't develop his left hand and doesn't develop a jumper. That's all.
I am not claiming bad reffing, but I do think the style of game called by refs effected MU. Crowder got a couple of weak fouls and that got into his head, which then has an effect the other MU players. Crowder was definately bother last night mentally.
Quote from: Rubie Q on March 23, 2012, 09:55:43 AM
We can pick all the arbitrary end points we want: in his last 10 games, including the tournament (read: against better competition), he hit double-figures four times, averaged 8.0 points, per game, and shot 34.3% from the floor.
The previous point was that if Vander's offense was going to develop, we would have seen it by now. Can you point to a 10-game stretch his freshman season where he put up numbers similar to what he put up to end this regular season?
Also, 7 of the 10 games to end the season were against NCAA Tournament teams so your "better competition" argument doesn't really stand up.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on March 23, 2012, 10:30:37 AM
The previous point was that if Vander's offense was going to develop, we would have seen it by now. Can you point to a 10-game stretch his freshman season where he put up numbers similar to what he put up to end this regular season?
Also, 7 of the 10 games to end the season were against NCAA Tournament teams so your "better competition" argument doesn't really stand up.
Sure can: from the South Dakota game to the Vandy game last year, Van averaged 10.4 ppg, on 47.5% shooting from the floor and 74.2% from the line.
And that's not including the game against Green Bay right before USD, when he had 14 on 7-10 shooting.
Quote from: Rubie Q on March 23, 2012, 10:39:05 AM
Sure can: from the South Dakota game to the Vandy game last year, Van averaged 10.4 ppg, on 47.5% shooting from the floor and 74.2% from the line.
And that's not including the game against Green Bay right before USD, when he had 14 on 7-10 shooting.
Fair enough. Now, this year he did it against significantly better competition. That's development, no?
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on March 23, 2012, 10:41:23 AM
Fair enough. Now, this year he did it against significantly better competition. That's development, no?
I'm not arguing that he didn't get better. Of course he did. But it wasn't the kind of development that convinces me he's going to be a primary or even secondary scoring option, no.
Vander has a LONG, LONG, LONG way to go to be considered NBA material. I find it unbelievable that some think he can be a 1st round pick. Seriously? He's nowhere near as good as McNeal was as a sophomore...and there is NOTHING that suggests he could ascend to the 1st Team All Big East level McNeal played at as a senior...and McNeal didn't get drafted.
Honestly believe Vander HAS to be groomed from this point forward entirely as a Point Guard..and that he should work on those skills more than any (along with getting in the weight room a TON). Vander simply is NOT a 2 guard, never will be. He has lots of athletic tools, but they don't exactly translate into results offensively speaking.
Quote from: Rubie Q on March 23, 2012, 10:44:25 AM
I'm not arguing that he didn't get better. Of course he did. But it wasn't the kind of development that convinces me he's going to be a primary or even secondary scoring option, no.
I'm not really sure what you're arguing and I'm not so sure that you know either. My point was that we have seen some development in Vander's offensive game. When did anyone say anything about him being the first or second option on offense? If that was your original point, why didn't you say that until now?
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on March 23, 2012, 10:53:49 AM
I'm not really sure what you're arguing and I'm not so sure that you know either. My point was that we have seen some development in Vander's offensive game. When did anyone say anything about him being the first or second option on offense? If that was your original point, why didn't you say that until now?
I guess I thought it was clear that was my point. My bad.
Good game Todd
Todd was diving for balls with force much moreso than any other MU player I've see in a long while.
He needs to learn how to finish. His greatest strength is his athletic ability. But athletic ability doesn't score points.
I understand the benefit he brings to defense and rebounding. The problem I see is that he is missing lay ups which should high percentage shots for our team. Furthermore, he is missing them so bad or getting the shot blocked which turns into a fast break for the other team OR a momentum changer. Every basketball expert here has to understand momentum is important in college basketball. Missing easy shots and getting shots swatted into the third row can shift the momentum. Offense is NOT the only part of the game but it can impact the defense with transition.
As for the shooting percentage, what is Gardner's percentage? Only reason I bring this up is shooting percentage is not an apple to apple comparison. 44% is great for a 3 point shooter but VERY poor for a post player. Vander primarily shoots layups or shots within 5 feet. His percentage should be higher. His improvement in FT% has been outstanding. It seemed like he turned a new leaf after that game where he sunk the four FTs in a row for the win.
As for NBA prospects, he needs to improve greatly. 6'4 athletic bodies are a dime a dozen in the league. There is so much talent out there where offense DOES matter. People can bring up some defensive players but even those guys can hit an open jumper.
I hope the kid learns how to finish because we will need him to contribute next season.