Lets hope they don't come after Buzz!!
http://espn.go.com/chicago/ncb/story/_/id/7718478/vcu-coach-shaka-smart-reportedly-turns-illinois
Quote from: GOMU85 on March 21, 2012, 01:16:30 PM
Lets hope they don't come after Buzz!!
http://espn.go.com/chicago/ncb/story/_/id/7718478/vcu-coach-shaka-smart-reportedly-turns-illinois
I hope they do come after Buzz.
It's a lot like being married. Even if you're not on the market it'll always put a smile on your face that there are willing buyers out there :)
I am going to keep replying to any story that has relevance to the game Thursday and other issues like this in order to try to drive every other goof ball thread on the you know what down the page as far as possible....at least until I order lunch
Listening to B&B on the Score in Chicago and they mentioned that there is interest in the Ill. job from a white coach from one of the nation's top 10 teams that is "unhappy" with his AD. Sorry to quote "sources" but I found it a little interesting.
I think it's Coach K.
Quote from: MUlegends on March 21, 2012, 01:42:19 PM
Listening to B&B on the Score in Chicago and they mentioned that there is interest in the Ill. job from a white coach from one of the nation's top 10 teams that is "unhappy" with his AD. Sorry to quote "sources" but I found it a little interesting.
I hope its not Buzz...it sounds like it is..
Quote from: MUlegends on March 21, 2012, 01:42:19 PM
Listening to B&B on the Score in Chicago and they mentioned that there is interest in the Ill. job from a white coach from one of the nation's top 10 teams that is "unhappy" with his AD. Sorry to quote "sources" but I found it a little interesting.
Since we were 11th in the most recent poll and only in the Sweet 16 as of yet, it can't be about Buzz. Now if they had said this after our upcoming win over Florida...
B&B are rambling idiots. If Buzz wouldn't leave for OK then he certainly wouldn't leave for U of I, no matter what he thinks about Larry Williams.
Maybe they were thinking that Bill Self wanted to go back to Champaign. ;D
The Score talked about Buzz a ton yesterday. They definitely get a kick out of Buzz and could not get enough of his sound bites. I do not blame them for stoking the fire on Buzz story. They were talking about Drew leaving Baylor for IL as a possibility and I hope that does not happen. Of all possibilities I would hate to see Baylor job open up the most.
Bill Self? ;)
Could it be Scott Drew? He has midwestern roots. Admittedly, I have no idea about his relationship with Baylor's AD, but wasn't Baylor involved in some of the hold-ups in conference realignment?
Quote from: AWegrzyn17 on March 21, 2012, 01:47:51 PM
B&B are rambling idiots. If Buzz wouldn't leave for OK then he certainly wouldn't leave for U of I, no matter what he thinks about Larry Williams.
Last spring, Buzz wouldn't have left for Oklahoma, Illinois or anywhere else. The people he was working for are gone. I hope he's still happy but there are sure a ton of rumors out there - again, I hope they're totally unfounded.
Quote from: AWegrzyn17 on March 21, 2012, 01:47:51 PM
B&B are rambling idiots. If Buzz wouldn't leave for OK then he certainly wouldn't leave for U of I, no matter what he thinks about Larry Williams.
+1000000000000. B&B are complete morons.
Someone on IL board said Sean Miller (not top 10 ranked but a big-time school)...
somebody also posted "Buzz has said(according to David Kaplan of WGN) that he would accept the Illini job if offered.
Then again....all of it may be BS."
Quote from: madtownwarrior on March 21, 2012, 02:10:04 PM
Someone on IL board said Sean Miller (not top 10 ranked but a big-time school)...
somebody also posted "Buzz has said(according to David Kaplan of WGN) that he would accept the Illini job if offered.
Then again....all of it may be BS."
I just don't believe he would say that to anyone except *maybe* to his wife. I call B.S. on David Kaplan of WGN
This stuff is so ridiculous.
Can we not just enjoy the week leading up to a frickin Sweet 16 game?!
Quote from: madtownwarrior on March 21, 2012, 02:10:04 PM
Someone on IL board said Sean Miller (not top 10 ranked but a big-time school)...
somebody also posted "Buzz has said(according to David Kaplan of WGN) that he would accept the Illini job if offered.
Then again....all of it may be BS."
Kaplan is perhaps best known in Chicago sports circles as being someone who guesses what will happen and then brags about it on the rare occasion he gets it right.
I can't imagine being upset with the AD would make Buzz want to look for new jobs and pick up his family and move. Unless that relationship is really, really ugly.
Quote from: madtownwarrior on March 21, 2012, 02:10:04 PM
Someone on IL board said Sean Miller (not top 10 ranked but a big-time school)...
somebody also posted "Buzz has said(according to David Kaplan of WGN) that he would accept the Illini job if offered.
Then again....all of it may be BS."
Double hearsay. Fun.
Wasn't half the Arkansas, Oklahoma, and Texas A&M media reporting the same thing last year? I remember how the media was reporting Buzz was telling people he would take certain jobs, and then when they showed interest, Buzz always stayed with Marquette.
Quote from: madtownwarrior on March 21, 2012, 02:10:04 PM
Someone on IL board said Sean Miller (not top 10 ranked but a big-time school)...
Some of the IL guys have been talking up Sean Miller for weeks because somebody heard that Sean's wife hates living in Arizona. Sounds dubious in my estimation.
Quote from: LAZER on March 21, 2012, 02:14:58 PM
I can't imagine being upset with the AD would make Buzz want to look for new jobs and pick up his family and move. Unless that relationship is really, really ugly.
Honest question... Has Larry Williams been on the job long enough to have an ugly or poor relationship with Buzz? I mean, the guy been here less than 90 days.
Quote from: RJax55 on March 21, 2012, 02:22:45 PM
Honest question... Has Larry Williams been on the job long enough to have an ugly or poor relationship with Buzz? I mean, the guy been here less than 90 days.
I hated my freshman year roommate after 24 hours.
Biggest question for me is why did Shaka Smart turn down Illinois? He's at Virginia Commonwealth, for God's sake. Maybe his relationship with the Illinois AD (from their time at Akron) is less than ideal, or maybe the Illinois job isn't what many (myself included) thought it was.
Quote from: EnderWiggen on March 21, 2012, 02:24:46 PM
I hated my freshman year roommate after 24 hours.
Took me a week.
Quote from: RJax55 on March 21, 2012, 02:22:45 PM
Honest question... Has Larry Williams been on the job long enough to have an ugly or poor relationship with Buzz? I mean, the guy been here less than 90 days.
I would think/hope that Williams has been trying his best to keep Buzz happy with the type of season they've been having.
Lazer---LOL...think your hopes might be far from the truth.
Quote from: MUlegends on March 21, 2012, 01:42:19 PM
Listening to B&B on the Score in Chicago and they mentioned that there is interest in the Ill. job from a white coach from one of the nation's top 10 teams that is "unhappy" with his AD. Sorry to quote "sources" but I found it a little interesting.
Good. We are not one of the nations top 10 programs so we have nothing to worry about.
Quote from: LAZER on March 21, 2012, 02:14:58 PM
I can't imagine being upset with the AD would make Buzz want to look for new jobs and pick up his family and move. Unless that relationship is really, really ugly.
Another point: Knowing how focused Buzz is, do you really think he would be taking the time to field job offers right now? Remember he doesn't even have an agent to take those calls for him. Even if leaving would appeal to him, he would tell people that if they are really that interested, it can wait until after the tournament.
Quote from: warriorchick on March 21, 2012, 02:29:14 PM
Another point: Knowing how focused Buzz is, do you really think he would be taking the time to field job offers right now? Remember he doesn't even have an agent to take those calls for him. Even if leaving would appeal to him, he would tell people that if they are really that interested, it can wait until after the tournament.
+1
Quote from: cheebs09 on March 21, 2012, 02:15:54 PM
Wasn't half the Arkansas, Oklahoma, and Texas A&M media reporting the same thing last year? I remember how the media was reporting Buzz was telling people he would take certain jobs, and then when they showed interest, Buzz always stayed with Marquette.
agreed - not nearly as worried this year as last.... the kaplan statement is likely BS...
Elvis Presley in disguise
Elvis with a Buzz cut
Quote from: RJax55 on March 21, 2012, 02:17:58 PM
Some of the IL guys have been talking up Sean Miller for weeks because somebody heard that Sean's wife hates living in Arizona. Sounds dubious in my estimation.
The woman obviously has never been to Chambana.
Or maybe she's just really into soybean fields.
Quote from: Goose on March 21, 2012, 01:54:31 PM
The Score talked about Buzz a ton yesterday. They definitely get a kick out of Buzz and could not get enough of his sound bites. I do not blame them for stoking the fire on Buzz story. They were talking about Drew leaving Baylor for IL as a possibility and I hope that does not happen. Of all possibilities I would hate to see Baylor job open up the most.
The "average insight" of this entire board has more basketball knowledge than b&b.
I believe Frank Martin has had problems with their AD but I believe UofI is going with a minority come hell or high water.
Quote from: Goose on March 21, 2012, 02:28:08 PM
Lazer---LOL...think your hopes might be far from the truth.
So the rumors of Buzz and Williams have some merit? If that's the case, I hope Buzz throws his weight around.
Quote from: MUlegends on March 21, 2012, 01:42:19 PM
Listening to B&B on the Score in Chicago and they mentioned that there is interest in the Ill. job from a white coach from one of the nation's top 10 teams that is "unhappy" with his AD. Sorry to quote "sources" but I found it a little interesting.
It's the same reason Roy Williams left Kansas. So really no reason why he wouldn't do it again now that he is unhappy at UNC, if these "sources" are to be believed. Let the Buzz to Chapel Hill rumors now begin...
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on March 21, 2012, 02:36:51 PM
I believe Frank Martin has had problems with their AD but I believe UofI is going with a minority come hell or high water.
I think Martin would qualify as minority technically?
Quote from: warriorchick on March 21, 2012, 02:29:14 PM
Another point: Knowing how focused Buzz is, do you really think he would be taking the time to field job offers right now? Remember he doesn't even have an agent to take those calls for him. Even if leaving would appeal to him, he would tell people that if they are really that interested, it can wait until after the tournament.
Good point considering he doesn't have an agent.
Quote from: LAZER on March 21, 2012, 02:38:40 PM
I think Martin would qualify as minority technically?
Isn't he Cuban or rican?
I have to believe that the white coach they are referring to is Digger Phelps. Rumor has it he is unhappy with the ESPN AD.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 21, 2012, 02:34:09 PM
The woman obviously has never been to Chambana.
Or maybe she's just really into soybean fields.
Perhaps she likes the smell of cow manure... If that's the case, UofI is her place!
Quote from: LAZER on March 21, 2012, 02:38:40 PM
I think Martin would qualify as minority technically?
Does "crazy" qualify one as a minority?
Quote from: Lennys Tap on March 21, 2012, 02:25:07 PM
Biggest question for me is why did Shaka Smart turn down Illinois? He's at Virginia Commonwealth, for God's sake. Maybe his relationship with the Illinois AD (from their time at Akron) is less than ideal, or maybe the Illinois job isn't what many (myself included) thought it was.
Because Illinois is a toxic school to be at in the B1G.
My guess is that when Bo Ryan retires that Shaka comes home to Wisconsin.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on March 21, 2012, 02:25:07 PM
Biggest question for me is why did Shaka Smart turn down Illinois? He's at Virginia Commonwealth, for God's sake. Maybe his relationship with the Illinois AD (from their time at Akron) is less than ideal, or maybe the Illinois job isn't what many (myself included) thought it was.
Maybe he likes it at VCU. Is that such an unreasonable thought? He's not making top dollar, but is certainly doing well for himself there. Maybe he thinks that $1.2+ million a year for 20 years from VCU is better than potentially getting $2 million a year for 5 years and being driven out of town in Champaign.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 21, 2012, 02:43:36 PM
Because Illinois is a toxic school to be at in the B1G.
My guess is that when Bo Ryan retires that Shaka comes home to Wisconsin.
I can almost guaranty you they will hire Greg Gard for that job if Barry Alvarez is still the AD when Bo retires.
Quote from: madtownwarrior on March 21, 2012, 02:30:38 PM
agreed - not nearly as worried this year as last.... the kaplan statement is likely BS...
I wasn't worried at all last year. This year I have just the smallest possible amount of worry only because he's dealt with a lot in the last year and might be tired or unhappy with it all. Maybe I'm naive...
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 21, 2012, 02:43:36 PM
Because Illinois is a toxic school to be at in the B1G.
Well, it was for Bruce Weber, but it worked out OK for Bill Self.
Unless I missed something, I suspect an element of insulation (Dick Strong) exists between any relationship displeasure Buzz might have with the current MU administration (Pilarz and LWill)...
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 21, 2012, 02:43:36 PM
Because Illinois is a toxic school to be at in the B1G.
My guess is that when Bo Ryan retires that Shaka comes home to Wisconsin.
Does Shaka really have strong ties to Wisco and/or UW specifically?
I mean, I know he's from Wisco, but a lot of people are from a lot of places, ya know?
Roy Schmidt @prepsbullseye
"Have reason to believe there IS a high profile HC who's quite interested in the IL job--don't mean Buzz Williams. Hope to have more tonight."
Quote from: TJ on March 21, 2012, 02:45:16 PM
Maybe he likes it at VCU. Is that such an unreasonable thought? He's not making top dollar, but is certainly doing well for himself there. Maybe he thinks that $1.2+ million a year for 20 years from VCU is better than potentially getting $2 million a year for 5 years and being driven out of town in Champaign.
+1
Maybe he doesn't want to mess with happy.
Just to put an end to all of this complete speculation, this was tweeted by Bullseye and retweeted by Mark Miller
Roy Schmidt @prepbullseye
Have reason to believe there IS a high profile HC who's quite interested in the IL job--don't mean Buzz Williams. Hope to have more tonight.
Retweeted by Mark Miller
Just stop. Damn it can we just talk about basketball
Quote from: 2002MUalum on March 21, 2012, 02:51:12 PM
Does Shaka really have strong ties to Wisco and/or UW specifically?
I mean, I know he's from Wisco, but a lot of people are from a lot of places, ya know?
Shaka to UW and Buzz to SMU!
Quote from: Z F-B on March 21, 2012, 02:35:47 PM
The "average insight" of this entire board has more basketball knowledge than b&b.
i don't know if I would go that far. There are some posters on here that bring the curve way down.
Quote from: 2002MUalum on March 21, 2012, 02:51:12 PM
Does Shaka really have strong ties to Wisco and/or UW specifically?
I mean, I know he's from Wisco, but a lot of people are from a lot of places, ya know?
Mostly, it was wild speculation. 8-)
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 21, 2012, 02:51:50 PM
Roy Schmidt @prepsbullseye
"Have reason to believe there IS a high profile HC who's quite interested in the IL job--don't mean Buzz Williams. Hope to have more tonight."
I wonder what they consider to be high profile... I think Kevin Stallings maybe interested in that job, but is Stallings high profile?
Quote from: TJ on March 21, 2012, 02:45:16 PM
Maybe he likes it at VCU. Is that such an unreasonable thought? He's not making top dollar, but is certainly doing well for himself there. Maybe he thinks that $1.2+ million a year for 20 years from VCU is better than potentially getting $2 million a year for 5 years and being driven out of town in Champaign.
I hope you're right. It would be refreshing, even awesome, to see a young, successful mid major coach turn down the money, prestige, etc. of an Illinois.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on March 21, 2012, 03:00:19 PM
I hope you're right. It would be refreshing, even awesome, to see a young, successful mid major coach turn down the money, prestige, etc. of an Illinois.
(http://theappslab.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/lowered-expectations.jpg)
Quote from: Lennys Tap on March 21, 2012, 03:00:19 PM
I hope you're right. It would be refreshing, even awesome, to see a young, successful mid major coach turn down the money, prestige, etc. of an Illinois.
You mean refreshing until the day comes (hopefully many years from now) when Marquette needs to poach a young successful coach, right?
Quote from: Lennys Tap on March 21, 2012, 03:00:19 PM
I hope you're right. It would be refreshing, even awesome, to see a young, successful mid major coach turn down the money, prestige, etc. of an Illinois.
Me too. Buzz has been a great story, but Shaka at VCU would be a bigger one on those terms.
I was thinking also, everyone at VCU, including students, really opened up the coffers when they restructured his deal last year. Maybe he is staying for a while out of respect and appreciation for what they did last year.
I know, my ideas are all foreign concepts when discussing major-sports coaching ranks.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 21, 2012, 03:03:21 PM
(http://theappslab.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/lowered-expectations.jpg)
Perfection post on this situation.
Boers and Bernstein have all but said Buzz would be a home run hire, and Illinois will be lucky to hit a double at this point.
Quote from: MUlegends on March 21, 2012, 01:42:19 PM
Listening to B&B on the Score in Chicago and they mentioned that there is interest in the Ill. job from a white coach from one of the nation's top 10 teams that is "unhappy" with his AD. Sorry to quote "sources" but I found it a little interesting.
we are ranked #11
"(Mike) Thomas (AD) clearly is targeting African American coaches after two board members voted against the contract of new football coach Tim Beckman, who is white. His choices after Smart include Alabama's Anthony Grant and Washington's Lorenzo Romar, according to a source."
And David Haugh of the Trib says, "More than anything, concerns over navigating the minefield that is our city's high school basketball landscape gave Shaka Smart pause when considering whether to take the Illinois job, according to a Division 1 coach familiar with the search... Smart would stay at VC unless something drastic changes in the next 24 hours, reflecting the reservations the 34 year old coach expressed over recruiting Chicago.
Quote from: RJax55 on March 21, 2012, 02:22:45 PM
Honest question... Has Larry Williams been on the job long enough to have an ugly or poor relationship with Buzz? I mean, the guy been here less than 90 days.
It may be more that Buzz had loyalty and owed a debt to Cottingham. Then C-ham gets run over by Pilarz and now this goofy dude from ND is taking slights at him in the paper.
Quote from: Stone Cold on March 21, 2012, 03:40:02 PM
It may be more that Buzz had loyalty and owed a debt to Cottingham. Then C-ham gets run over by Pilarz and now this goofy dude from ND is taking slights at him in the paper.
Quitting a program over your loyalty to a past AD would be a dick move, and Buzz doesn't have that in him. I doubt Buzz is more loyal to Steve Cottingham than he is to the players he would be leaving behind at Marquette.
Quote from: mr.MUskie on March 21, 2012, 03:37:25 PM
The Chicago Tribune is throwing out 3 names... not necessarily top 10, but at least somewhat high profiles.
Anthony Grant - Alabama
Lorenzo Romar - Washington
Leonard Hamilton - Florida State.
All are men of color.
And David Haugh of the Trib says, "More than anything, concerns over navigating the minefield that is our city's high school basketball landscape gave Shaka Smart pause when considering whether to take the Illinois job, according to a Division 1 coach familiar with the search... Smart would stay at VC unless something drastic changes in the next 24 hours, reflecting the reservations the 34 year old coach expressed over recruiting Chicago.
And to show how crazy this crap is, there's a report from ESPN or CBS stating that Hamilton has no interest in the Illinois job and is buoyed by the ACC Tournament title and looking forward to building FSU.
It's a crap tossing society, keep propelling the poop and see what sticks.
Quote from: Stone Cold on March 21, 2012, 03:40:02 PM
It may be more that Buzz had loyalty and owed a debt to Cottingham. Then C-ham gets run over by Pilarz and now this goofy dude from ND is taking slights at him in the paper.
I believe Buzz feels more strongly that his players led to the end of Cottingham, then Pilarz getting rid of Cottingham.
Quote from: warriorchick on March 21, 2012, 03:43:09 PM
Quitting a program over your loyalty to a past AD would be a dick move, and Buzz doesn't have that in him. I doubt Buzz is more loyal to Steve Cottingham than he is to the players he would be leaving behind at Marquette.
That's probable, then again....
(http://vmedia.rivals.com/uploads/942/626799.jpg)
I love that he had the Sharpie ready to go.
Quote from: Stone Cold on March 21, 2012, 03:51:49 PM
That's probable, then again....
(http://vmedia.rivals.com/uploads/942/626799.jpg)
It's like a lobster trying to escape a trap.
That picture of Crean makes me wonder if he took a little time to sit in his tanning machine before he left town for Indiana?
I'm guessing his backseat car ride to Bloomington went something like this.
"It's Indiana! It's Indiana!"
(http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm311/jwwarren13/1245228550_jack_nicholson.gif)
I think Buzz could make knee jerk reaction and bolt MU. I believe he probably is very big on loyalty, especially to his players, and that is what makes him tick. My fear is that he could make a decision at the wrong time and it is based off emotion and not his core beliefs. I love the guy but his whole persona about this is not all about him only rings about 80% truthful to me. To get to his place in the becking order you have to have some ego and I think Buzz has an ego as well. Nobody likes their balls squeezed and sometimes when it happens you do not make sound decisions.
Quote from: Stone Cold on March 21, 2012, 03:40:02 PM
It may be more that Buzz had loyalty and owed a debt to Cottingham. Then C-ham gets run over by Pilarz and now this goofy dude from ND is taking slights at him in the paper.
SC, I get that C-ham is your guy, but I think Buzz owns a debt of gratitude to a number of folks. (For instance see Strong, Dick).
Also, this comment is direct not just at you, but the board in general. I don't understand the paranoia that surrounds Larry Williams. Other than one odd quote in the JS, what has the guy done that makes you question his relationship with Buzz?
Quote from: MUlegends on March 21, 2012, 01:42:19 PM
Listening to B&B on the Score in Chicago and they mentioned that there is interest in the Ill. job from a white coach from one of the nation's top 10 teams that is "unhappy" with his AD. Sorry to quote "sources" but I found it a little interesting.
I've got it. Its Steve Prohm of Murray State. He is white, check. Last time I checked Murry was ranked 9th in the USAToday Poll, check. In his post MU presser he seemed pretty "unhappy", check.
Wow! this is easy once you know how to read the code!
Quote from: NotAnAlum on March 21, 2012, 04:07:05 PM
I've got it. Its Steve Prohm of Murray State. He is white, check. Last time I checked Murry was ranked 9th in the USAToday Poll, check. In his post MU presser he seemed pretty "unhappy", check.
Wow! this is easy once you know how to read the code!
yup. Dan Brown's next book.
Buzz seemed pretty tight with Larry Williams after the WV (I think that was the game) when he was slapping fives.
Quote from: 2TimeWarrior on March 21, 2012, 04:13:54 PM
Buzz seemed pretty tight with Larry Williams after the WV (I think that was the game) when he was slapping fives.
That's because he reads this board and knows how important it is.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on March 21, 2012, 02:42:18 PM
Does "crazy" qualify one as a minority?
Not on this message board
Quote from: 2TimeWarrior on March 21, 2012, 04:13:54 PM
Buzz seemed pretty tight with Larry Williams after the WV (I think that was the game) when he was slapping fives.
That was before LW "slighted" Buzz by saying the exact same thing Buzz said about his dance on the WVU floor.
It's been a Cold War ever since.
Quote from: RJax55 on March 21, 2012, 02:22:45 PM
Honest question... Has Larry Williams been on the job long enough to have an ugly or poor relationship with Buzz? I mean, the guy been here less than 90 days.
We really need to stop this craziness. It's all crazy. Buzz Williams is going nowhere unless Texas Longhorns job opens up. No way is he going to Illinois. This stuff about a bad relationship with the AD? Craziness based on garbage.
Everyone should just relax and enjoy this. Buzz will be our coach for a long time unless Austin, TX is on the phone. Enjoy the ride!
Quote from: Bocephys on March 21, 2012, 04:15:53 PM
That's because he reads this board and knows how important it is.
So you're saying this board is collectively like another staff member for Buzz to rely on then? Great job this season, Muscoop!
Looks like Shaka may be waiting on one of the blue blood programs.
Hope....love your confidence and hope you are 100% correct. Do you have inside info that Buzz will only leave for Texas or is that your opinion? Honestly with your high level of confidence I feel much better about the situation. Sure hope your post was not based solely off your opinion. If it was I would put your opinion along side everyone else's opinion which you refer to as craziness.
Quote from: Warriors 79 on March 21, 2012, 01:39:15 PM
I am going to keep replying to any story that has relevance to the game Thursday and other issues like this in order to try to drive every other goof ball thread on the you know what down the page as far as possible....at least until I order lunch
I now have a new definition for true warrior fan. Thank you Warriors 79. This is far more effective than taking the time to get on those other threads to post the usual "Why are we responding to this" type posts.
Quote from: hairyworthen on March 21, 2012, 02:55:14 PM
i don't know if I would go that far. There are some posters on here that bring the curve way down.
Those posters at their worst moments are still superior to B&B
Quote from: MUlegends on March 21, 2012, 01:42:19 PM
Listening to B&B on the Score in Chicago and they mentioned that there is interest in the Ill. job from a white coach from one of the nation's top 10 teams that is "unhappy" with his AD. Sorry to quote "sources" but I found it a little interesting.
Quote from: GOMU85 on March 21, 2012, 01:44:36 PM
I hope its not Buzz...it sounds like it is..
I love how you coordinated your posts with MUlegends. Very clever.
Quote from: LAZER on March 21, 2012, 02:37:24 PM
So the rumors of Buzz and Williams have some merit? If that's the case, I hope Buzz throws his weight around.
Remember your source on this is Goose who probably
got inferred it from 4evers remark that Buzz was "uncomfortable" answering questions about Cottingham being let go at Buzz's Bar-B-Que last summer.
Quote from: RJax55 on March 21, 2012, 02:42:07 PM
Perhaps she likes the smell of cow manure pig flatulence ... If that's the case, UofI is her place!
Fixed!
Quote from: hairyworthen on March 21, 2012, 02:55:14 PM
i don't know if I would go that far. There are some posters on here that bring the curve way down.
Actually, I believe that that was his point, yet the knowledge
still exceeds that of B & B.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on March 21, 2012, 03:00:19 PM
I hope you're right. It would be refreshing, even awesome, to see a young, successful mid major coach turn down the money, prestige, etc. of an Illinois.
The truth is I don't know squat, but I strongly believe that Shaka had a very real
initial interest in Illinois, took a closer look, and thought that there would be better offers for him to leave VCU in the future than the Illinois situation. He's doing well enough now at VCU that there is no reason to move anywhere other than the place at which he wants to end his career.
Anthony Grant would be a great hire for them, given their requirements right now. He's a very good coach who handled a difficult situation really well this season. He probably feels a little emboldened in Tuscaloosa given how this season went, but if he had real interest in Illinois, I would do everything I could to make that happen if I were UofI
Quote from: Lennys Tap on March 21, 2012, 02:42:18 PM
Does "crazy" qualify one as a minority?
Quote from: Skitch on March 21, 2012, 04:17:11 PM
Not on this message board
This post definitely warrants post of the year consideration!!
Quote from: LittleMurs on March 21, 2012, 06:24:07 PM
The truth is I don't know squat, but I strongly believe that Shaka had a very real initial interest in Illinois, took a closer look, and thought that there would be better offers for him to leave VCU in the future than the Illinois situation. He's doing well enough now at VCU that there is no reason to move anywhere other than the place at which he wants to end his career.
Only problem is some times u need to strike while the iron is hot ... A couple .500 seasons n he may never get the chance again. Clearly he is blnot concerned one way or the other
Why would Buzz want Shaka's left overs? Seriously. That is retarded.
Quote from: muhoops1 on March 21, 2012, 06:56:58 PM
Why would Buzz want Shaka's left overs? Seriously. That is retarded.
Canadian Dimes is talking about Shaka, not Buzz.
Not sure how much Scott Drew is making, but if I was Illinois I'd see if he's interested.
Be hard for him to leave those fertile Texas recruiting grounds though.
Quote from: LittleMurs on March 21, 2012, 07:06:04 PM
Canadian Dimes is talking about Shaka, not Buzz.
You could be Dimes' interpreter for the board.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on March 21, 2012, 02:42:18 PM
Does "crazy" qualify one as a minority?
Nah, then the minority would be the majority.
Buzz to VCU?
Quote from: Goose on March 21, 2012, 04:03:17 PM
I think Buzz could make knee jerk reaction and bolt MU. I believe he probably is very big on loyalty, especially to his players, and that is what makes him tick. My fear is that he could make a decision at the wrong time and it is based off emotion and not his core beliefs. I love the guy but his whole persona about this is not all about him only rings about 80% truthful to me. To get to his place in the becking order you have to have some ego and I think Buzz has an ego as well. Nobody likes their balls squeezed and sometimes when it happens you do not make sound decisions.
I love Buzz but I do feel he is walking the emotional tightrope at times. That is what makes him great but it could also cause a change of scenery. It has nothing to do with his loyalty but one also must remember that Izzo got whacky at the end of the season a few years ago.
Quote from: mwbauer7 on March 21, 2012, 02:49:44 PM
Unless I missed something, I suspect an element of insulation (Dick Strong) exists between any relationship displeasure Buzz might have with the current MU administration (Pilarz and LWill)...
You talkin' MU or IU?
Quote from: Stone Cold on March 21, 2012, 03:51:49 PM
That's probable, then again....
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Speaking of dicks
Quote from: Sir Lawrence on March 21, 2012, 07:53:48 PM
You could be Dimes' interpreter for the board.
LittleMurs=Mrs. Cleaver.
Quote from: 77fan88warrior on March 21, 2012, 09:36:42 PM
I love Buzz but I do feel he is walking the emotional tightrope at times. That is what makes him great but it could also cause a change of scenery. It has nothing to do with his loyalty but one also must remember that Izzo got whacky at the end of the season a few years ago.
Any emotional tightrope is how people who can't deal with stress describe dealing with stress.
You don't get to the high D-I level in coaching if you can't deal with stress. It's not to say you don't get a little crazy at times, but people who can't make rational decisions under stress typically don't make it past the graduate assistant coach job.
Quote from: avid1010 on March 21, 2012, 07:44:37 PM
i hate when people use that word...
I understand, but it is a word.
CNN reports Simeon coach Smith offerred asst. Job ai Illinois but has told them that he is only interested in being the head coach.
Quote from: ATWizJr on March 22, 2012, 02:34:06 AM
CNN reports Simeon coach Smith offerred asst. Job ai Illinois but has told them that he is only interested in being the head coach.
Does anybody else find this... odd? Has there ever been a case of a high school coach jumping straight to a BCS head job? Isn't assistant at a BCS job a SIGNIFICANT step up from high school HC in itself? I know one of the Hurleys went from HS HC to the head job at Wagner, but that's a different animal than the head job at Illinois. Does Smith already have experience as a D1 assistant or something? If not, wouldn't HC at Southern Illinois or Loyola be a more rational leap?
I don't know if Smith would be interested here, but I wouldn't mind him as a replacement to Benford if Tony ends up at SMU or one of the other openings. Not many are more tied in to Chicago, and you don't win title after title if you don't know basketball.
Quote from: Jamailman on March 22, 2012, 06:22:43 AM
Does anybody else find this... odd? Has there ever been a case of a high school coach jumping straight to a BCS head job? Isn't assistant at a BCS job a SIGNIFICANT step up from high school HC in itself? I know one of the Hurleys went from HS HC to the head job at Wagner, but that's a different animal than the head job at Illinois. Does Smith already have experience as a D1 assistant or something? If not, wouldn't HC at Southern Illinois or Loyola be a more rational leap?
Illinois made a similar move in the past(in terms of HS coach of potential recruits to asst) when they hired Wayne McClain from Peoria Manual as an assistant. They were fresh off their 4th consecutive AA state title and I believe at least 3 of the players were at Illinois: Sergio McClain, Frank Williams, and Marcus Griffin(sic).
Side note, the following year Whitney Young and incoming Marquette PG Cordell Henry won state.
Well there's the knowing basketball part and then there's the knowing Jabari and Derrick part.
Quote from: MU B2002 on March 22, 2012, 06:49:34 AM
Illinois made a similar move in the past(in terms of HS coach of potential recruits to asst) when they hired Wayne McClain from Peoria Manual as an assistant. They were fresh off their 4th consecutive AA state title and I believe at least 3 of the players were at Illinois: Sergio McClain, Frank Williams, and Marcus Griffin(sic).
Side note, the following year Whitney Young and incoming Marquette PG Cordell Henry won state.
To clarify, I DON'T think it's odd that Illinois offered him the assistant position. I think that makes complete sense for the reasons you and brewcity77 state. What I find weird is that Smith would turn it down because he wasn't offered the head job. Unless he already had experience as an assistant at the D1 level, wouldn't assistant at a high major program like Illinois be a huge step up in terms of pay, prestige, and careers trajectory from head coach in high school? Isn't it a little unrealistic to expect to make the jump from high school coach to the head man at a top 30 job in the nation?
Quote from: Jamailman on March 22, 2012, 07:11:25 AM
To clarify, I DON'T think it's odd that Illinois offered him the assistant position. I think that makes complete sense for the reasons you and brewcity77 state. What I find weird is that Smith would turn it down because he wasn't offered the head job. Unless he already had experience as an assistant at the D1 level, wouldn't assistant at a high major program like Illinois be a huge step up in terms of pay, prestige, and careers trajectory from head coach in high school? Isn't it a little unrealistic to expect to make the jump from high school coach to the head man at a top 30 job in the nation?
Was not questioning your original statement, was just trying to offer that they had made a similar move in the past in regards to assistants. He is crazy if he thinks he is getting the head job.
Quote from: Jamailman on March 22, 2012, 06:22:43 AM
Does anybody else find this... odd? Has there ever been a case of a high school coach jumping straight to a BCS head job? Isn't assistant at a BCS job a SIGNIFICANT step up from high school HC in itself? I know one of the Hurleys went from HS HC to the head job at Wagner, but that's a different animal than the head job at Illinois. Does Smith already have experience as a D1 assistant or something? If not, wouldn't HC at Southern Illinois or Loyola be a more rational leap?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Wade_(basketball)
Bob Wade, a high school coach for Dunbar, Baltimore took over the Maryland job after Lefty Dreisell was fired in 1986. This was after the Len Bias incident. Wade's first year at Maryland was worst in history. Attached WIKI writeup because it actually has some interesting facts.
Quote from: Jamailman on March 22, 2012, 06:22:43 AM
Does anybody else find this... odd? Has there ever been a case of a high school coach jumping straight to a BCS head job? Isn't assistant at a BCS job a SIGNIFICANT step up from high school HC in itself? I know one of the Hurleys went from HS HC to the head job at Wagner, but that's a different animal than the head job at Illinois. Does Smith already have experience as a D1 assistant or something? If not, wouldn't HC at Southern Illinois or Loyola be a more rational leap?
What I find odd is apparently the Illinois AD offering out assistant basketball coaching positions
before he has a head coach. If he did, Shaka turning Illinois down makes far more sense then it did yesterday.
And why would Illinois need Smith as an assistant coach? They actually are recruiting Chicago very well with Howard. Is Howard pulling a Buzz, i.e. "If you'd like me to stay as HC, I'd love to, but if you want to go another direction for HC, I'll be on my way."
Another scenario, I suppose, could be that Howard is pulling a Buzz and Shaka needed reassurance that he will have an inroads into Chicago recruiting, and Illinois tried to hire Smith to give Shaka that assurance, and when they couldn't get Smith, Shaka said "no thanks". The coolest possibility about this is that it suggests that Howard will be available, if, for example, Benford leaves for a HC job.
Good ole Bob soon realized that the NCAA investigates improper behavior a little more rigorously than the Maryland high school association Illinois would be monumentally stupid to hire him as a coach...they won't do it.
Quote from: LittleMurs on March 22, 2012, 07:55:12 AM
What I find odd is apparently the Illinois AD offering out assistant basketball coaching positions before he has a head coach. If he did, Shaka turning Illinois down makes far more sense then it did yesterday.
Yeah, that's really odd too. I would think it makes a lot more sense to let the HC pick his staff.
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And why would Illinois need Smith as an assistant coach? They actually are recruiting Chicago very well with Howard. Is Howard pulling a Buzz, i.e. "If you'd like me to stay as HC, I'd love to, but if you want to go another direction for HC, I'll be on my way."
Another scenario, I suppose, could be that Howard is pulling a Buzz and Shaka needed reassurance that he will have an inroads into Chicago recruiting, and Illinois tried to hire Smith to give Shaka that assurance, and when they couldn't get Smith, Shaka said "no thanks". The coolest possibility about this is that it suggests that Howard will be available, if, for example, Benford leaves for a HC job.
Good points here again. Those are probably the only scenarios in which the AD's actions make sense. It still doesn't make sense to me that Smith turned down the assistant job because he wasn't offered the head job. Maybe it's a bargaining ploy or something?
Quote from: nyg on March 22, 2012, 07:51:25 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Wade_(basketball)
Bob Wade, a high school coach for Dunbar, Baltimore took over the Maryland job after Lefty Dreisell was fired in 1986. This was after the Len Bias incident. Wade's first year at Maryland was worst in history. Attached WIKI writeup because it actually has some interesting facts.
Thanks, that was interesting. Turned out to be an unmitigated disaster. Are there any success stories jumping from head coach in high school to head coach at a major program? It just seems like there's no way that would ever work out well. The college job is completely different.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 22, 2012, 07:56:14 AM
Good ole Bob soon realized that the NCAA investigates improper behavior a little more rigorously than the Maryland high school association Illinois would be monumentally stupid to hire him as a coach...they won't do it.
I believe that nyg was explaining why Robert Smith wouldn't be chosen by Illinois, not Bob Wade.
Quote from: LittleMurs on March 22, 2012, 08:12:04 AM
I believe that nyg was explaining why Robert Smith wouldn't be chosen by Illinois, not Bob Wade.
I know...I was mixing up my pronouns.
The real reason Wade was hired was to sign the recruits out of Baltimore, which at the time had one of the best, if not the best, AAU programs in the country. Probably the same reason why the Illini want to have Smith on board. Was just way over his head and then the Gary Williams era started.
Article from Preps Bullseye on the Illinois job, has this quote
"Another big name that has been rumored and coveted amongst many is Marquette head coach Buzz Williams. However, we have reason to believe that Williams will not be coming to Illinois. That is because a reliable source who is close to the situation has told us that Williams feels a strong sense of loyalty to his current players and therefore if he were to leave it would in all likelihood not be until after the 2012-13 season. We have also been told that Williams' buyout clause was renegotiated last summer and that it is considerably larger than the 100,000 figure that was reported elsewhere."
http://ilprepbullseye.com/Plan_B_Illini.html
Quote from: Bieberhole69 on March 22, 2012, 01:44:35 PM
Article from Preps Bullseye on the Illinois job, has this quote
"Another big name that has been rumored and coveted amongst many is Marquette head coach Buzz Williams. However, we have reason to believe that Williams will not be coming to Illinois. That is because a reliable source who is close to the situation has told us that Williams feels a strong sense of loyalty to his current players and therefore if he were to leave it would in all likelihood not be until after the 2012-13 season. We have also been told that Williams' buyout clause was renegotiated last summer and that it is considerably larger than the 100,000 figure that was reported elsewhere."
http://ilprepbullseye.com/Plan_B_Illini.html
So he's expected to not feel as loyal to the players after next season?
Quote from: Bocephys on March 22, 2012, 01:45:57 PM
So he's expected to not feel as loyal to the players after next season?
I choose to interpret that comment (assuming it is accurate) as "never say never, except in regards to next season".
And why cut off any leverage you have at the knees. IOW, don't worry about next year. He isn't going anywhere this year.
Shaka is very good in his commentary role on TBS tonight.
Quote from: Jamailman on March 22, 2012, 08:09:41 AM
Thanks, that was interesting. Turned out to be an unmitigated disaster. Are there any success stories jumping from head coach in high school to head coach at a major program? It just seems like there's no way that would ever work out well. The college job is completely different.
Frank Martin is close. Was a big-time HS coach in Miami. Was Asst coach to Huggins at K-State for one year before taking over.
Quote from: Aughnanure on March 22, 2012, 07:53:26 PM
Frank Martin is close. Was a big-time HS coach in Miami. Was Asst coach to Huggins at K-State for one year before taking over.
Martin was also kicked out of Florida athletics for his blatant disregard for rules so it takes the shine off his success at Miami.