Would be the 2 reasons for the recent hack job the Milwaukee media has chosen to unload the week of MU's Sweet 16 game (much like last year's timing of the "incidents.") Sadly, MKE is 95% UW Badger country, as is the rest of Wisconsin. So...when MU players are out in public, they are surrounded by largely Badger fans - who we all know can be an absolutely insufferable bunch. I have NO idea as to the story about DJO leaving someone in bad shape - but it would not surprise in the least if some beer muscle, MKE Badger townie, talked all kinds of sh$t and got what he earned.
This whole thing smells of MU having a bullseye on its back...I suspect some jealous/insecure WI fan called the cops to the club to report MU players being present at the club. No doubt the MKE police force is comprised of more native Milwaukeeans (and likely Badger backers) than MU grads.
At the end of the day, Badger Nation is absolutely fearful of what Buzz is building at MU, and are doing anything and everything they can to undermine his success...due to their own insecurity and jealousy. SAD...as if UW athletes are never in bars, get into fights, etc. Booker Stanley anyone? Sam Okey? Jack Ikewongku? How many thefts have UW athletes been involved in?
I think you're really worrying too much about the attempt of "Badger Country" to cut down Marquette.
Just keep winning and keep our things in our pants. That's all Marquette needs to do. This bar thing is a non-issue. Badger fans will make noise about the character and background of our "diverse" players, but that is all it is, noise.
Quote from: Ners on March 21, 2012, 09:28:23 AM
Would be the 2 reasons for the recent hack job the Milwaukee media has chosen to unload the week of MU's Sweet 16 game (much like last year's timing of the "incidents.") Sadly, MKE is 95% UW Badger country, as is the rest of Wisconsin. So...when MU players are out in public, they are surrounded by largely Badger fans - who we all know can be an absolutely insufferable bunch. I have NO idea as to the story about DJO leaving someone in bad shape - but it would not surprise in the least if some beer muscle, MKE Badger townie, talked all kinds of sh$t and got what he earned.
This whole thing smells of MU having a bullseye on its back...I suspect some jealous/insecure WI fan called the cops to the club to report MU players being present at the club. No doubt the MKE police force is comprised of more native Milwaukeeans (and likely Badger backers) than MU grads.
At the end of the day, Badger Nation is absolutely fearful of what Buzz is building at MU, and are doing anything and everything they can to undermine his success...due to their own insecurity and jealousy. SAD...as if UW athletes are never in bars, get into fights, etc. Booker Stanley anyone? Sam Okey? Jack Ikewongku? How many thefts have UW athletes been involved in?
Disagree. MU does have a bullseye on its back, but we put it there by having a great basketball season and a couple of minor off the court incidents. Its what happens. Get somet thicker skin.
Regardless, the guys have to do a better job of avoiding these situations. I don't think the extent of the media scrutiny is fair (I didn't have a problem with Walker's article, but if a station is leading off their news with this, that's kinda crazy), but that's life. Hopefully things like this stop happening, as they can become a distraction prior to the biggest game of the season thus far. I'm sure Buzz and the players would be much happier fielding questions about Florida than why they were at a club.
Conspiracy theories! Get yer conspiracy theories here! Six bucks apiece or two for 10 dollars!
This, my friends, is what is called a "positive feedback loop."
Quote from: MU82 on March 21, 2012, 09:41:19 AM
Conspiracy theories! Get yer conspiracy theories here! Six bucks apiece or two for 10 dollars!
I'm thinking that since Chicos has been banned he's used his time to build up a network of agents in the Milwaukee area.
A majority of people in Wisconsin don't like Marquette and enjoy cheering against Marquette. If MU is in the news for something negative, there are quite a few people who can't get enough of it. When UW is in the news for something negative, Badger fans don't want to hear it (much like posters on this board have a tendency to make excuses for MU). The news outlets obviously know that, which is why negative MU news is a bigger story than negative UW news.
Honest question: Was the Chadima stuff ever the top story on the nightly news? It wouldn't surprise me if it wasn't even though it's an infinitely more serious charge than some 20-year-olds being in a bar.
Basically, I don't think that the JS or any of the Milwaukee news stations have an "agenda" against Marquette. They do, however, know their audience. That's not a conspiracy. That's good business sense.
Reads thread
/digs up burned and torn up MU diploma
/pisses all over it
/reburies
There isn't a 'conspiracy'. There is young men behaving like young men always have. There are civil penalties because they got caught. There is maximum interest and exposure. This is far less troubling to me than last year's incidents. The local media does what local media does. They play it for maximum effect to garner the highest ratings. No conspiracy. Just the nature of kids and the nature of local media.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on March 21, 2012, 09:54:57 AM
A majority of people in Wisconsin don't like Marquette and enjoy cheering against Marquette.
The vast majority of people in Wisconsin are completely indifferent toward Marquette.
The "us against the world" victimization of our fanbase is really a sad thing to behold.
Quote from: Victor McCormick on March 21, 2012, 09:38:58 AM
Disagree. MU does have a bullseye on its back, but we put it there by having a great basketball season and a couple of minor off the court incidents. Its what happens. Get somet thicker skin.
So this is the first year Marquette players have hung out in a bar (yet weren't even cited for underage drinking), and a separate blog needs to be written about 22 year old DJO being present at the bar too? Have MU players ever gotten in a scuffle in the past? Did it take Journal Sentinel roughly 2 months to report on the "incident" and conveniently run such a story 2 days before MU plays in a Sweet 16 game....much like what happened last year?
I do agree that college kids/athletes going to bars and getting into an occasional alteration is "what happens." Is it press worthy, lead story worthy on 6pm news? Please. But sorry, I'll see if I can acquire a thicker skin.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 21, 2012, 10:05:42 AM
The vast majority of people in Wisconsin are completely indifferent toward Marquette.
The "us against the world" victimization of our fanbase is really a sad thing to behold.
Perhaps it's just the Badger fans that I know and work with who revel in any and all bad things related to MU, but there sure seems to be a lot of MU hate out there.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 21, 2012, 10:05:42 AM
The vast majority of people in Wisconsin are completely indifferent toward Marquette.
The "us against the world" victimization of our fanbase is really a sad thing to behold.
So the vast majority of people in Wisconsin are not UW basketball fans? Should be interesting to see what the UW Sweet 16 game TV ratings are in MKE area. It's a growing rivalry each and every year..UW vs MU in hoops...to suggest the vast majority of people in WI are completely indifferent toward Marquette (basketball) seems naive. Do we really think WI basketball fans enjoy losing to MU at the Kohl? Or 2 of the past 3 years...and seeing Buzz reel in a lot of nationally regarded recruits?
College sports fans are the worst human beings on earth. Why don't we all throw logic and accountability out the window.
You are being too myopic. The vast majority of people in Wisconsin root for UW basketball, but not to the extent that they hate Marquette and wish the University ill-will. I bet 95% of the state has no idea who JP Tokoto, Sam Dekker, or Duane Wilson even are, much less the recruiting battles that we talk about on this board.
The fact is, this was a legitimate story to report on. The timing made sense given when MPD disclosed this information.
Let me give a perspective of one living far from WI. The only people who care about the Badgers are people from Wisconsin or who have personal ties to Wisconsin. Marquette is a national program and has a far wider sphere of fan support. Marquette has very supportive fan bases in Chicago, New York, L.A., and yes, here in Montana. Regarding the new "scandal", there are only two kinds of college students. Ones that party and don't get busted, and ones that party and end up busted. Give me a break, what waste of time!
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 21, 2012, 10:19:09 AM
You are being too myopic. The vast majority of people in Wisconsin root for UW basketball, but not to the extent that they hate Marquette and wish the University ill-will. I bet 95% of the state has no idea who JP Tokoto, Sam Dekker, or Duane Wilson even are, much less the recruiting battles that we talk about on this board.
The fact is, this was a legitimate story to report on. The timing made sense given when MPD disclosed this information.
I agree that 95% of the state has no idea who JP Tokoto, Sam Dekker or Duane Wilson are, but I believe 75% of the state knows MU and UW are both in the Sweet 16. I believe Wisconsin people are hardcore sports fans in general - show great support for the Brewers, Packers and Badgers. It's a large and passionate fanbase. I also believe the general sports fanbase in WI enjoys seeing negative MU coverage as it relates to MU basketball since A) We've been really good of late as has UW - so there is a huge rivalry there and B) Due to the diametrically opposed styles of play/roster composition with regard to "traditionals" versus "nontraditionals."
I have friends that are equally UW & MU sports fans and they were shocked when I mention that some people can't stand the other school, shocked as in they had never witnessed such behavior.
Many people are just sports fans for all of the teams in this state.
Quote from: Ners on March 21, 2012, 10:11:59 AM
So the vast majority of people in Wisconsin are not UW basketball fans? Should be interesting to see what the UW Sweet 16 game TV ratings are in MKE area. It's a growing rivalry each and every year..UW vs MU in hoops...to suggest the vast majority of people in WI are completely indifferent toward Marquette (basketball) seems naive. Do we really think WI basketball fans enjoy losing to MU at the Kohl? Or 2 of the past 3 years...and seeing Buzz reel in a lot of nationally regarded recruits?
I think checking the ratings is a great idea.
I would venture a guess that it will not be the most watched show in it's timeslot.
I KNOW we are all college hoops junkies, but truth be told, most people (especially in Wisco) aren't. Dancing with the stars with Donald Driver would get a far better rating than UW basketball. Hell, a replay of the Packers superbowl would probably get a better rating.
I would never say that MU is a favorite in the state, but I think your conspiracy theory is an extreme.
Relax, enjoy the fun. If you can't enjoy the sweet sixteen, Ners, what can you enjoy?
Quote from: Ners on March 21, 2012, 10:25:59 AM
I also believe the general sports fanbase in WI enjoys seeing negative MU coverage as it relates to MU basketball since A) We've been really good of late as has UW - so there is a huge rivalry there and B) Due to the diametrically opposed styles of play/roster composition with regard to "traditionals" versus "nontraditionals."
I think you've read too much badgermaniac and such. Seriously, go out to a local sports bar when the MU game is on. There aren't crowds of people rooting against them. I guess that's the best "evidence" I can offer. The real world. Not dorks on the internet or calling into sports radio*. That is a TINY sample.
*edit added sports radio dorks.
I'm reserving judgment until WISN 12 gets Derrick Wendler's take on all this.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on March 21, 2012, 10:09:21 AM
Perhaps it's just the Badger fans that I know and work with who revel in any and all bad things related to MU, but there sure seems to be a lot of MU hate out there.
+1 Visit the hick towns in out-state Wisconsin and you'll see what people are talking about. When I was in college, if I was asked where I went to school I would say "in Milwaukee" to avoid glares while back home in the Fox Valley.
I will not go as far as to say there is a conspiracy or MU bias, but I do believe their is a private school bias. I also believe that plays into some of this.
As for the story, IMHO, it was manufactered by the JS. The timing of the tickets is very interesting. I believe the JS pushed hard to get something here. There were no tickets issued for 6 weeks. Hmmmm ...
That said, Don Walker is a MU alum and basketball fan. I know he attends many games and believe he has season tickets.
Quote from: LancesOtherNut on March 21, 2012, 10:35:41 AM
I'm reserving judgment until WISN 12 gets Derrick Wendler's take on all this.
Hilarious!
I live in a small town in Wisconsin. There are Badger apologists everywhere. However, after UW dispatched of Montana the bulk of the crowd began root for MU as they finished off BYU.
I remember the game against Pitt in the Dome. The Badgers had just lost to Kentucky and their fans stayed and cheered for MU.
They don't like our team like we don't like their team, but seriously? That is a lot of effort for nothing.
Quote from: muhoops1 on March 21, 2012, 10:44:32 AM
I live in a small town in Wisconsin. There are Badger apologists everywhere. However, after UW dispatched of Montana the bulk of the crowd began root for MU as they finished off BYU.
I remember the game against Pitt in the Dome. The Badgers had just lost to Kentucky and their fans stayed and cheered for MU.
They don't like our team like we don't like their team, but seriously? That is a lot of effort for nothing.
This, to me, is an embellished story. I was there and
some did stay and cheer. A large number left. Most sat on their hands.
Quote from: MUMac on March 21, 2012, 10:46:47 AM
This, to me, is an embellished story. I was there and some did stay and cheer. A large number left. Most sat on their hands.
I think you've nailed it.
Some Badger fans will root for MU. Some don't really care (left), Some don't really care (sat on hands), and a small amount rooted against MU.
Let's not pretend like there is a HUGE contingent of Wisco residents who hate MU. There just isn't.
Quote from: 2002MUalum on March 21, 2012, 10:34:59 AM
I think you've read too much badgermaniac and such. Seriously, go out to a local sports bar when the MU game is on. There aren't crowds of people rooting against them. I guess that's the best "evidence" I can offer. The real world. Not dorks on the internet or calling into sports radio*. That is a TINY sample.
*edit added sports radio dorks.
No, the game just isn't on a lot of the time.
There's a WI bar in Denver (Swanky's) that is just covered in Brewers, Badgers and Packers stuff. When I first moved here 2 years ago, I went in and asked if they played the Marquette games, too. The owner looked at me, saw my Marquette shirt and said, "No." Then walked away and refused to serve me the rest of the night.
There's Wisconsin and then there's Marquette. Marquette does not get lumped into the rest of sports teams in/from Wisconsin. It's fine when WI alumni are anti-Marquette. I expect it. The last thing I would ever consider myself is anything less than apathetic toward the Badgers. For the vast majority of the time, I actively wish the worst for all of their teams in every game they play.
But apart from the alumni, it's all the poseurs that annoy the ever-living sh1t out of me. Especially when THOSE toolboxes say negative stuff about MU.
And I swear, people that say "WINsconsin" should all get paper cuts on their tongues.
Quote from: klyrish on March 21, 2012, 12:19:14 PM
There's Wisconsin and then there's Marquette. Marquette does not get lumped into the rest of sports teams in/from Wisconsin. It's fine when WI alumni are anti-Marquette. I expect it. The last thing I would ever consider myself is anything less than apathetic toward the Badgers. For the vast majority of the time, I actively wish the worst for all of their teams in every game they play.
But apart from the alumni, it's all the poseurs that annoy the ever-living sh1t out of me. Especially when THOSE toolboxes say negative stuff about MU.
And I swear, people that say "WINsconsin" should all get paper cuts on their tongues.
The funny thing is, all the UW alumni I know are respectful and there's good natured banter.
It's the people who didn't go to college, or who went to UW-Bumblefuck that are the most obnoxious.
Only pre UW being great school alum care or hate MU. Anyone there in past 20 years could care less about MU ball or the school. Angry guys like Hunt and others that were there when the school sucked resent MU and it's grads. If you polled the UW student body today MU would not be on radar screen of rivals.
Quote from: MUfan12 on March 21, 2012, 12:25:35 PM
It's the people who didn't go to college, or who went to UW-Bumblefrack that are the most obnoxious.
I completely agree with that.
Quote from: Goose on March 21, 2012, 12:28:13 PM
If you polled the UW student body today MU would not be on radar screen of rivals.
One of my buddies went to NC State for 2 years and then transferred to WI. He's equal parts NCSU/UW fans and gives me and the rest of our MU alumni friends crap all the time, but he actually likes Marquette. He's also laid out how the student body does NOT consider MU a rival at all whereas I would said the majority of MU students/alumni definitely do.
Quote from: 2002MUalum on March 21, 2012, 10:34:59 AM
I think you've read too much badgermaniac and such. Seriously, go out to a local sports bar when the MU game is on. There aren't crowds of people rooting against them. I guess that's the best "evidence" I can offer. The real world. Not dorks on the internet or calling into sports radio*. That is a TINY sample.
*edit added sports radio dorks.
This is true. I highly doubt 95% of wisconsin sports fans root against marquette as suggested by merritsmustache, My guess is, in milwaukee area the fan base is close to 50%mu 50% Uw and a good percentage root for both. i do not understand the elitist attitude of some Marquette fans that think only the small core of alumuni are fans of the team. I am pretty sure it is more than that
There are other factors involved in the media bias against Marquette than just UW fans "trying to screw over MU" . Private school bias, Catholic school bias, Inner city bias, arrogance of fans bias.
The more Marquette fans bitch about the reporting, the more the reporters are going to be negative. If it is a non story it will be a non story to most people.
Quote from: hairyworthen on March 21, 2012, 12:39:18 PM
This is true. I highly doubt 95% of wisconsin sports fans root against marquette as suggested by merritsmustache, My guess is, in milwaukee area the fan base is close to 50%mu 50% Uw and a good percentage root for both. i do not understand the elitist attitude of some Marquette fans that think only the small core of alumuni are fans of the team. I am pretty sure it is more than that
There are other factors involved in the media bias against Marquette than just UW fans "trying to screw over MU" . Private school bias, Catholic school bias, Inner city bias, arrogance of fans bias.
The more Marquette fans bitch about the reporting, the more the reporters are going to be negative. If it is a non story it will be a non story to most people.
Actually, I said a "majority of people in Wisconsin don't like Marquette and enjoy cheering against Marquette." A majority is simply more than half. I never said 95%. You might have gotten that number from Ners original post.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on March 21, 2012, 12:50:43 PM
Actually, I said a "majority of people in Wisconsin don't like Marquette and enjoy cheering against Marquette." A majority is simply more than half. I never said 95%. You might have gotten that number from Ners original post.
ok my bad.
I still think a majority is too high. There is a certain segment that hates eveything MU but I think sultan got it right it is more indifference and not hate
Montana Warrior nailed it.
And just 'cause I'm paranoid doesn't mean everyone isn't talking about me....
Really? Timing is interesting. Screw the media, let's win on Thursday and shut them all up....
Quote from: klyrish on March 21, 2012, 12:19:14 PM
No, the game just isn't on a lot of the time.
There's a WI bar in Denver (Swanky's) that is just covered in Brewers, Badgers and Packers stuff. When I first moved here 2 years ago, I went in and asked if they played the Marquette games, too. The owner looked at me, saw my Marquette shirt and said, "No." Then walked away and refused to serve me the rest of the night.
There's Wisconsin and then there's Marquette. Marquette does not get lumped into the rest of sports teams in/from Wisconsin. It's fine when WI alumni are anti-Marquette. I expect it. The last thing I would ever consider myself is anything less than apathetic toward the Badgers. For the vast majority of the time, I actively wish the worst for all of their teams in every game they play.
But apart from the alumni, it's all the poseurs that annoy the ever-living sh1t out of me. Especially when THOSE toolboxes say negative stuff about MU.
And I swear, people that say "WINsconsin" should all get paper cuts on their tongues.
Few Things:
#1 You're right, MU isn't part of the "Wisconsin Sports Scene" like the Packers, Brewers, Badgers and Bucks. I would NEVER say that MU is even close. It's not. My point is that I don't think there is a huge portion of the Wisco population that is actively rooting against or attempting to ruin Marquette.
#2 The guy in Denver is running a business, and if there isnt a demand for MU games, he's not going to show them. That doesn't mean people are "anti-marquette". It just means they aren't really interested. Shocking. I bet they don't show UWM games there either.
#3 And yes, the non-UW alumni are the most annoying. I usually diffuse people by asking them (politely) what year they graduated. It usually calms down the "UW RULES" attitude when they say (Insert School here) and I respond "Oh yea, I heard they have a good womens track team".
Quote from: MUMac on March 21, 2012, 10:40:54 AM
I will not go as far as to say there is a conspiracy or MU bias, but I do believe their is a private school bias. I also believe that plays into some of this.
As for the story, IMHO, it was manufactered by the JS. The timing of the tickets is very interesting. I believe the JS pushed hard to get something here. There were no tickets issued for 6 weeks. Hmmmm ...
That said, Don Walker is a MU alum and basketball fan. I know he attends many games and believe he has season tickets.
Walker, being an alum, makes it even worse---why would he print the story now?? He had to have known the timing was bad. Why print it at all?? He couldn't wait until the season is officially over??
As a Marquette fan who has never lived in Wisconsin aside from the years I went there, I consider the Badgers to be a major rival of Marquette for exactly one night every year. Aside from that, I am more interested in how we play against Lousiville, Notre Dame, Cincy, Georgetown, 'Nova, etc. My guess is that most UW fans feel about the same. I would also say that on the east coast, Marquette is just as well known and recognized as U-W, if not more.
I was in a bar watching the BYU game and there were a few Wisc fans there watching them play Montana. They either didn't care at all about the Marquette game, or watched it during commercials and gave an occasional nod or clap in favor of Marq. They more we win, the more people will have an opinion of the program, for better or worse. It comes with success.