It's obvious Buzz is a very motivational type of coach, trying to get inside of the guys to push them to that next level. From the presser it looks like he took the thoughts of about 5 posters on this board and made the team team believe that all of us fans think they are horrible, the "nobody believes in us" card (almost as irrational as the thread itself). That ploy is one of the oldest in the book and most successful. I'm sure he will try to rehash that one some more, however its effect diminishes when the team gets non-stop praise from fans and media sources. The question is, what motivational tactic gets us over the sweet-16 hump? Does the scoop community need to come up with some irrational threads to get the team going?
I feel better this year because of the obvious, "we can't go out like last year" mindset. If we win though, there will be something else that comes out that will be an obvious motivating factor.
Jae mentioned it. Last year they were happy to be in the S16. This year their goals are higher.
Goals of this team are very high in my opinion. They are a group of winners and more importantly a confident group of winners. Their body language is that of winners and I love it. Watching the maturation of Vanderbilt and his role on the team shows to me that everyone on this team gets it.
Quote from: dw3dw3dw3 on March 19, 2012, 07:42:03 AM
It's obvious Buzz is a very motivational type of coach, trying to get inside of the guys to push them to that next level. From the presser it looks like he took the thoughts of about 5 posters on this board and made the team team believe that all of us fans think they are horrible, the "nobody believes in us" card (almost as irrational as the thread itself). That ploy is one of the oldest in the book and most successful. I'm sure he will try to rehash that one some more, however its effect diminishes when the team gets non-stop praise from fans and media sources. The question is, what motivational tactic gets us over the sweet-16 hump? Does the scoop community need to come up with some irrational threads to get the team going?
I feel better this year because of the obvious, "we can't go out like last year" mindset. If we win though, there will be something else that comes out that will be an obvious motivating factor.
Completely agree. I think this whole Buzz vs. muscoop, Buzz vs. Administration, Buzz vs. the media, is one big motivational tool. Look at us guys, nobody believes in us, even the alumni. His whole "juco" speech last year showed he tries to get guys to have "chips on their shoulder," extra motivation. Whatever works.
Quote from: dw3dw3dw3 on March 19, 2012, 07:42:03 AM
It's obvious Buzz is a very motivational type of coach, trying to get inside of the guys to push them to that next level. From the presser it looks like he took the thoughts of about 5 posters on this board and made the team team believe that all of us fans think they are horrible, the "nobody believes in us" card (almost as irrational as the thread itself). That ploy is one of the oldest in the book and most successful. I'm sure he will try to rehash that one some more, however its effect diminishes when the team gets non-stop praise from fans and media sources. The question is, what motivational tactic gets us over the sweet-16 hump? Does the scoop community need to come up with some irrational threads to get the team going?
I feel better this year because of the obvious, "we can't go out like last year" mindset. If we win though, there will be something else that comes out that will be an obvious motivating factor.
At least someone else around here is reading between the lines.
Quote from: Goose on March 19, 2012, 07:52:47 AM
Watching the maturation of Vanderbilt and his role on the team shows to me that everyone on this team gets it.
Any chance you wrote this from an iPhone? My always auto corrects Vander Blue to Vanderbilt.
Quote from: dw3dw3dw3 on March 19, 2012, 07:42:03 AM
It's obvious Buzz is a very motivational type of coach, trying to get inside of the guys to push them to that next level. From the presser it looks like he took the thoughts of about 5 posters on this board and made the team team believe that all of us fans think they are horrible, the "nobody believes in us" card (almost as irrational as the thread itself). That ploy is one of the oldest in the book and most successful. I'm sure he will try to rehash that one some more, however its effect diminishes when the team gets non-stop praise from fans and media sources. The question is, what motivational tactic gets us over the sweet-16 hump? Does the scoop community need to come up with some irrational threads to get the team going?
I feel better this year because of the obvious, "we can't go out like last year" mindset. If we win though, there will be something else that comes out that will be an obvious motivating factor.
Sooooo, time to start "We need a shooter" "Can we play any defense?" and "I hate the entire team" threads? Whatever helps us win.
I said in about January I thought we could do more than just make the Final Four, so if he's looking for naysayers I think he should head to the West Virginia board.
This is a really, really good team and I don't even think we played that well against Murray State. I have a funny feeling we have a spectacular performance (or four) in front of us.
PRN---We are on the same page. I thought we played OK in general on Saturday and better things to come. We need more offensive help from Jamil and Vander and hopefully Mayo. The team finds ways to win an I think their best ball is still ahead of them. They have a swagger and so do I...have not bragged this much about MU ball to my friends in years. Received more text messages regarding the games and if I am going to S16 in last week than I have received in years. There is a Buzz in the air!!!
A team tends to take on the character of it's coach, especially younger and more impressionable members on that team. There is a fine line between contemplative and overly emotional, and after watching the R32 presser I'm not sure which side of the line Buzz is on. Maybe it isn't too shocking if some of the players are emotionally fragile.
It sounds like most people find this a useful motivational tool, but I don't really like the idea of a team representing Marquette feeling like they are not an integral part of and supported by the Marquette community. Buzz does a fantastic job, and I have no idea what he uses to motivate players. I hope he doesn't use the ramblings of a small sampling of fans (sometimes including me) to make the players feel like their fan base doesn't support them. These kids will eventually graduate, and I hope they feel the same amount of pride in their school that I do.
Quote from: 314warrior on March 19, 2012, 10:38:26 AM
A team tends to take on the character of it's coach, especially younger and more impressionable members on that team. There is a fine line between contemplative and overly emotional, and after watching the R32 presser I'm not sure which side of the line Buzz is on. Maybe it isn't too shocking if some of the players are emotionally fragile.
It sounds like most people find this a useful motivational tool, but I don't really like the idea of a team representing Marquette feeling like they are not an integral part of and supported by the Marquette community. Buzz does a fantastic job, and I have no idea what he uses to motivate players. I hope he doesn't use the ramblings of a small sampling of fans (sometimes including me) to make the players feel like their fan base doesn't support them. These kids will eventually graduate, and I hope they feel the same amount of pride in their school that I do.
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Quote from: dw3dw3dw3 on March 19, 2012, 07:42:03 AM
It's obvious Buzz is a very motivational type of coach, trying to get inside of the guys to push them to that next level. From the presser it looks like he took the thoughts of about 5 posters on this board and made the team team believe that all of us fans think they are horrible, the "nobody believes in us" card (almost as irrational as the thread itself). That ploy is one of the oldest in the book and most successful. I'm sure he will try to rehash that one some more, however its effect diminishes when the team gets non-stop praise from fans and media sources. The question is, what motivational tactic gets us over the sweet-16 hump? Does the scoop community need to come up with some irrational threads to get the team going?
I feel better this year because of the obvious, "we can't go out like last year" mindset. If we win though, there will be something else that comes out that will be an obvious motivating factor.
I would hope that with our two seniors knowing that the next game is potentially there last ever as Warriors, Buzz would not have to surf the net for "motivation"
Quote from: 314warrior on March 19, 2012, 10:38:26 AM
It sounds like most people find this a useful motivational tool, but I don't really like the idea of a team representing Marquette feeling like they are not an integral part of and supported by the Marquette community. Buzz does a fantastic job, and I have no idea what he uses to motivate players. I hope he doesn't use the ramblings of a small sampling of fans (sometimes including me) to make the players feel like their fan base doesn't support them. These kids will eventually graduate, and I hope they feel the same amount of pride in their school that I do.
If you don't want the coach to use the ramblings of disgruntled and negative fans to motivate the players don't be one of those fans.
excerpt from alligatoarmy.com article...
"Florida 84, Norfolk State 50: Gators Chomp Cinderella, Advance To Sweet Sixteen
by Andy Hutchins on Mar 18, 2012 9:05 PM EDT in Florida Basketball
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Last year, when Florida got its No. 2 seed and earned a trip to Tampa and a date with UC Santa Barbara, I decided to make the trip down by myself and see a day of the NCAA Tournament. Florida was in the third game of the day, but that was okay: I'd still get to see a really good team play in front of a bunch of its home fans, and Kentucky was going to play Princeton before it, and UCLA and Michigan State were going to play afterward. It was a good decision, but I didn't see a competitive game: Florida thumped UCSB, 79-51, and I was cheering for Chandler Parsons to record a triple-double mere moments into the second half.
Florida's 84-50 win over Norfolk State today was even less competitive. And these Gators look a lot better than those Gators did.
I can recap the stats, but they hardly seemed to matter — Kenny Boynton had 20 points, eight rebounds, and four assists; Bradley Beal had 14 points, nine boards, three assists, and two steals; Mike Rosario had 12 points off the bench; Casey Prather had two blocks in nine minutes. This is a team that's not looking for stats, or individual glory, and it's not one that has gotten even a bit rattled by good starts from both Virginia on Friday and the Spartans today.
This isn't a team defined by its highlights, either, though Prather and Cody Larson (!!!) had highlight-reel blocks today:
This Florida team, right now, is a squad that is looking to win games and crush opponents, one that races out on offense and swarms or stands its ground on defense, depending on what Billy Donovan wants. It's roaring in March when injuries and setbacks could have left it looking like a lamb.
It's the team that has a chance to live up to the dizzying promise we all thought Florida's roster had in the offseason, the team that could steam past Marquette to meet either Tom Izzo or Rick Pitino in the Elite Eight, the team that could earn the Final Four berth last year's team didn't quite pull down, the team that could vanquish Kentucky, the team that could snip the final net.
These Gators, in their last 180 minutes or so, are playing as well as any ever have — the Oh-Fours included. If they keep it up, this season could go from one of Florida's most disappointing to one of Florida's most satisfying over the course of one magical month.
I think they can keep it up"
sound very confident!
Quote from: 314warrior on March 19, 2012, 10:38:26 AM
Maybe it isn't too shocking if some of the players are emotionally fragile.
Curious - which of our players do you consider emotionally fragile? Sounds almost as if you're trying to provide the team with some bulletin board material.
Quote from: JTBMU7 on March 19, 2012, 10:58:09 AM
excerpt from alligatoarmy.com article...
"Florida 84, Norfolk State 50: Gators Chomp Cinderella, Advance To Sweet Sixteen
by Andy Hutchins on Mar 18, 2012 9:05 PM EDT in Florida Basketball
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Last year, when Florida got its No. 2 seed and earned a trip to Tampa and a date with UC Santa Barbara, I decided to make the trip down by myself and see a day of the NCAA Tournament. Florida was in the third game of the day, but that was okay: I'd still get to see a really good team play in front of a bunch of its home fans, and Kentucky was going to play Princeton before it, and UCLA and Michigan State were going to play afterward. It was a good decision, but I didn't see a competitive game: Florida thumped UCSB, 79-51, and I was cheering for Chandler Parsons to record a triple-double mere moments into the second half.
Florida's 84-50 win over Norfolk State today was even less competitive. And these Gators look a lot better than those Gators did.
I can recap the stats, but they hardly seemed to matter — Kenny Boynton had 20 points, eight rebounds, and four assists; Bradley Beal had 14 points, nine boards, three assists, and two steals; Mike Rosario had 12 points off the bench; Casey Prather had two blocks in nine minutes. This is a team that's not looking for stats, or individual glory, and it's not one that has gotten even a bit rattled by good starts from both Virginia on Friday and the Spartans today.
This isn't a team defined by its highlights, either, though Prather and Cody Larson (!!!) had highlight-reel blocks today:
This Florida team, right now, is a squad that is looking to win games and crush opponents, one that races out on offense and swarms or stands its ground on defense, depending on what Billy Donovan wants. It's roaring in March when injuries and setbacks could have left it looking like a lamb.
It's the team that has a chance to live up to the dizzying promise we all thought Florida's roster had in the offseason, the team that could steam past Marquette to meet either Tom Izzo or Rick Pitino in the Elite Eight, the team that could earn the Final Four berth last year's team didn't quite pull down, the team that could vanquish Kentucky, the team that could snip the final net.
These Gators, in their last 180 minutes or so, are playing as well as any ever have — the Oh-Fours included. If they keep it up, this season could go from one of Florida's most disappointing to one of Florida's most satisfying over the course of one magical month.
I think they can keep it up"
sound very confident!
For a team that beat a 15 seed and 10 seed, their fans sure think they were playing a 2 and 1.
Do you honestly think Buzz combs through MUSCOOP looking for negative posts as a way to motivate his team? The idea among some here that MUSCOOP is a destination for the coach and players is more than far-fetched. While there is no doubt everyone here loves Marquette and want them to win, this site is nothing more than opinion, rumor, and a way to share information about the team, and the idea that the coaches and players would consider it more than this is ludicrous.
Quote from: steff_mckee on March 19, 2012, 11:14:58 AM
Do you honestly think Buzz combs through MUSCOOP looking for negative posts as a way to motivate his team? The idea among some here that MUSCOOP is a destination for the coach and players is more than far-fetched. While there is no doubt everyone here loves Marquette and want them to win, this site is nothing more than opinion, rumor, and a way to share information about the team, and the idea that the coaches and players would consider it more than this is ludicrous.
+100000
Quote from: steff_mckee on March 19, 2012, 11:14:58 AM
Do you honestly think Buzz combs through MUSCOOP looking for negative posts as a way to motivate his team? The idea among some here that MUSCOOP is a destination for the coach and players is more than far-fetched. While there is no doubt everyone here loves Marquette and want them to win, this site is nothing more than opinion, rumor, and a way to share information about the team, and the idea that the coaches and players would consider it more than this is ludicrous.
I don't know... in the press conference he literally said the title of one of the dumbest threads ever started here, "We Need A Point Guard," then said, "You think those kids don't read all that?" And he seemed visibly pissed while he was saying it. The team also seemed to go out of their way to praise Junior too, like they were offended by what was written and said about him after the Louisville loss. Not saying Buzz was surfing around for that, but it may have been brought to his attention, and he may have been using it as motivation. I think it's pretty likely that he did.
Quote from: Jamailman on March 19, 2012, 11:35:30 AM
I don't know... in the press conference he literally said the title of one of the dumbest threads ever started here, "We Need A Point Guard," then said, "You think those kids don't read all that?" And he seemed visibly pissed while he was saying it. The team also seemed to go out of their way to praise Junior too, like they were offended by what was written and said about him after the Louisville loss. Not saying Buzz was surfing around for that, but it may have been brought to his attention, and he may have been using it as motivation. I think it's pretty likely that he did.
Many, many here were also insulted by what was written and the title of that thread. Some asked for it to be locked or deleted. They were right, IMHO.
Some keyboard artists here are far too quick with the attacks on these kids.
Quote from: MUMac on March 19, 2012, 11:42:30 AM
Many, many here were also insulted by what was written and the title of that thread. Some asked for it to be locked or deleted. They were right, IMHO.
Some keyboard artists here are far too quick with the attacks on these kids.
I've noticed that particular offender hasn't been around the last couple days after Cadougan made him look like a complete fool. Honestly just an embarrassing thread.
These student athletes get scholarships to go to Marquette for free in return having them play basketball here. I think it's perfectly acceptable for critisism to be given to these individuals. Personal attacks are a different story (Which i have done)
If coaches, players, towel boys, etc have to go fishing on a forum for motivation that scares me. You get to go to a great institution, and get all the praise in the world since Basketball is Marquette, however when you $hit on the big stage after having a great year, i think it's to be understood there will be some people who get pissed/annoyed.
I for one said I was sorry for the comments i made to Junior, that was completely uncalled for, but i'm human and make mistakes. I wish nothing but the best for him and the rest of the team.
Quote from: 314warrior on March 19, 2012, 10:38:26 AM
A team tends to take on the character of it's coach, especially younger and more impressionable members on that team. There is a fine line between contemplative and overly emotional, and after watching the R32 presser I'm not sure which side of the line Buzz is on. Maybe it isn't too shocking if some of the players are emotionally fragile.
It sounds like most people find this a useful motivational tool, but I don't really like the idea of a team representing Marquette feeling like they are not an integral part of and supported by the Marquette community. Buzz does a fantastic job, and I have no idea what he uses to motivate players. I hope he doesn't use the ramblings of a small sampling of fans (sometimes including me) to make the players feel like their fan base doesn't support them. These kids will eventually graduate, and I hope they feel the same amount of pride in their school that I do.
I hope they feel it's Marquette vs the world, not Marquette basketball players vs Marquette alumni.
I know how hard these kids work, and regardless of the outcome in any particular year, I respect the work they put it. It's not easy.
As a former coach and parent in.admittedly youth sports, the toughest spot in any contest is in the stands where you cannot affect the action except for well timed body english. Out of this frustration,at times, comes criticism warranted or not. Can't take it back but usually it is just blowing off steam and little is meant by it. I would hope that at this stage of their lives they have lived through this enough to ignore most of it.
Quote from: 2002MUalum on March 19, 2012, 12:11:00 PM
I hope they feel it's Marquette vs the world, not Marquette basketball players vs Marquette alumni.
I know how hard these kids work, and regardless of the outcome in any particular year, I respect the work they put it. It's not easy.
This is what i think too. EVEN IF there is a Marquette players vs. fan base, don't make that should be made known in a press conference. Put in the "worried" camp, for Buzz's future at MU. I have never heard a coach publicly call out fans and message board posts. Kinda don't understand how he let that under his skin.
Quote from: ErickJD08 on March 19, 2012, 12:25:42 PM
This is what i think too. EVEN IF there is a Marquette players vs. fan base, don't make that known in a press conference. Put in the "worried" camp, for Buzz's future at MU. I have never heard a coach publicly call out fans and message board posts. Kinda don't understand how he let that under his skin.
Right?! I'm inclined to agree with this.
I get mixed feelings from Buzz, you hear about the work hard "Give em hell" "We're the toughest scrappiest team" ethic, however you then see Buzz call out fans and basically cry and say how "these kids don't know what it's liked to be loved" That was another quote I didn't understand in his press conference. So is Buzz insinuating that Todd, Vander, Jae, and everybody Else's parents don't love them? It's hard to understand Buzz at times. Or maybe it's just me.
How much coverage did you watch over the weekend? Coaches and players crying in pressers all over the place. All of the love for all of the players and the character of the seniors. Stan Heath wondering why when other teams play slow it is called disciplined, when USF plays slow it is called ugly. Coaches call out message board patrons often. Hell, a few years ago, Travis Diener's dad, in a conversation with Dodds, called out Murf for calling his son a dime a dozen pt guard. Cadougan trashers got called out indirectly by Buzz. He's right, the bashers were wrong. Don't act hurt behind your anonymous name and wonder if something is wrong with Buzz.
Quote from: Jamailman on March 19, 2012, 11:35:30 AM
The team also seemed to go out of their way to praise Junior too, like they were offended by what was written and said about him after the Louisville loss. Not saying Buzz was surfing around for that, but it may have been brought to his attention, and he may have been using it as motivation. I think it's pretty likely that he did.
Some of you are way to worried. No way does Buzz take anything on this board personally. Buzz is a master motivator. It's in his job description. He knows which buttons to push for each individual on the team. If he finds something on MUScoop to push Junior's buttons, he'll use it.
I'm sure there are people in his circle who tell him about this stuff. It might even be one of the younger assistants job to look for motivational material on various interwebs.
I imagine the reason it gets under his skin is because he has known everyone on this team more intimately than any of us ever will. He has become a second father to some....We don't see the work and dedication they exhibit every day in practice or in the classroom. So, I imagine he has every right to be upset when a player has an off game and armchair generals come out of the woodwork to blast them. When he says that these kids don't know what it's liked to be loved, perhaps he is referring to the tendency of people to forget to give praise after a win or a great performance, but to dwell on or get outraged when the team or a player doesn't play well. Remember, these are students, not professional athletes and are at most, 21 years of age. When I was the age of these kids, I was stumbling out of Murphy's Law or the Avalanche. All of the players have a great deal of responsibility with school, practice, games, etc....just my 2 cents.
Quote from: steff_mckee on March 19, 2012, 12:49:30 PM
I imagine the reason it gets under his skin is because he has known everyone on this team more intimately than any of us ever will. So, I imagine he has every right to be upset when a player has an off game and armchair generals come out of the woodwork to blast them. When he says that these kids don't know what it's liked to be loved, perhaps he is referring to the tendency of people to forget to give praise after a win or a great performance, but to dwell on or get outraged when the team or a player doesn't play well. When I was the age of these kids, I was stumbling out of Murphy's Law or the Avalanche. All of the players have a great deal of responsibility with school, practice, games, etc....just my 2 cents.
Steff, No knock on your take, but I don't think Buzz takes what we say personally. I think he may think we are a bunch of idiots, who don't know what the h*ll we're talking about (and in many cases he is correct).
Part of a great coaches job is to get players focused on the goal, and if a bunch of knuckleheads on the internet help him, he'll take it.
Buzz, if you need more bulletin board material, let us know.
Quote from: tower912 on March 19, 2012, 12:37:54 PM
How much coverage did you watch over the weekend? Coaches and players crying in pressers all over the place. All of the love for all of the players and the character of the seniors. Stan Heath wondering why when other teams play slow it is called disciplined, when USF plays slow it is called ugly. Coaches call out message board patrons often. Hell, a few years ago, Travis Diener's dad, in a conversation with Dodds, called out Murf for calling his son a dime a dozen pt guard. Cadougan trashers got called out indirectly by Buzz. He's right, the bashers were wrong. Don't act hurt behind your anonymous name and wonder if something is wrong with Buzz.
Act hurt behind my annonymous name? My name is hardly annonymous lol And how are Junior bashers wrong. I gave credit when credit was due. Junior had a good NCAA showing so far, He had a bad BEAST showing. So how are the "Bashers wrong?"
Quote from: JDuquaine on March 19, 2012, 01:14:31 PM
Act hurt behind my annonymous name? My name is hardly annonymous lol And how are Junior bashers wrong. I gave credit when credit was due. Junior had a good NCAA showing so far, He had a bad BEAST showing. So how are the "Bashers wrong?"
It's not possible that you are really this dense, is it?
All evidence points that direction.
Quote from: JDuquaine on March 19, 2012, 12:32:25 PM
Right?! I'm inclined to agree with this.
It's hard to understand Buzz at times. Or maybe it's just me.
Like a broken clock that's right twice a day, you've actually stumbled on the truth here - it is just you.
Well I was worried for a while that the team wouldn't have any other motivation than to beat last years result. While these past 24 hours have been a buzz-kill, even with the Wilson signing, they certainly aren't lacking providing additional motivation for the team to silence all the haters.
The idea that the guys are gearing up for this game by telling each other, "let's go out and win this game, that'll show all those naysaying posters on MU Scoop" is laughable at best. I don't doubt they hear about stuff on this board - I think that because Buzz specifically said to a student writer "you guys are out there saying we need a point guard" - but I do doubt they fixate on it AT ALL, or use it as a primary tool for motivation to win a game that gets them further into the tournament than this program has been since 2003.
As for the "emotionally fragile" stuff...please. I sincerely doubt Buzz meant to imply that the guys were unloved by their families. He has such strong ties to the families. All he was getting at was that some of these guys may have had a hard time differentiating between getting attention for their on-court skills versus getting attention for who they are as people, and may have at times felt they were only worthy of attention for their basketball talent.
These guys are tough, and they are ready, and I'm looking forward to Thursday's game...it's gonna be a good one.