and don't look now, but Jae (SOTG) is creeping onto people's draft boards with his performances.....
Next year, how about renaming the SOTG to "The Crowder"
Is it even worth a thread at this point??? JAEEEE!!!!
I agree...SoG should be just called a Crowder.
Can we re-open that discussion about retiring his jersey?
The usual. Hands down.
Quote from: chapman on March 17, 2012, 06:40:52 PM
Can we re-open that discussion about retiring his jersey?
Lead us to a Final Four and I think we can have that conversation.
Vander hands down. Second Choice: Jae.
Jae!!!!!!
Quote from: brandx on March 17, 2012, 06:38:53 PM
Next year, how about renaming the SOTG to "The Crowder"
Jim McIlvaine's pet saying for the 2012-13 season will be, "Unleash The Crowder!" ;D
Yeah...Jae. Great game by Todd, but clearly he and DJO were below Manimal in the pecking order. All about creating a traveling trophy...
KEVIN JONES errr I mean THE BEAST, MR. JAE CROWDER
Am I the only one who thought DJO was the STOG? Crowder was great, but he was not great in the first half. DJO was the steadier player today.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on March 17, 2012, 09:52:50 PM
Am I the only one who thought DJO was the STOG? Crowder was great, but he was not great in the first half. DJO was the steadier player today.
DJO has been consistent for us all year which I think people forget. He gives us scoring night in and night out. I still look to him for a basket when we are in dire need of one.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on March 17, 2012, 09:52:50 PM
Am I the only one who thought DJO was the STOG? Crowder was great, but he was not great in the first half. DJO was the steadier player today.
yes.
DJO led all scorers in the first half. He is Mr. Consistent and will be sorely missed next year. (Just like Jae will.)
Quote from: Norm on March 17, 2012, 11:16:11 PM
DJO led all scorers in the first half. He is Mr. Consistent and will be sorely missed next year. (Just like Jae will.)
He'll be missed, but I'm a lot more comfortable thinking that Mayo can step into his shoes, than Jamil or anyone else can step into Jae's...
Junior. In Buzz's words: 'that sucker ran the game.'
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on March 17, 2012, 09:52:50 PM
Am I the only one who thought DJO was the STOG? Crowder was great, but he was not great in the first half. DJO was the steadier player today.
Good grief no. Jae was slow on the offensive end, but my goodness...he does everything out there.
Quote from: Norm on March 17, 2012, 11:16:11 PMDJO led all scorers in the first half. He is Mr. Consistent and will be sorely missed next year. (Just like Jae will.)
He will be, but it's feasible to think that Mayo could replace most of what DJO brings if he can provide consistency. Maybe not a 18-19 ppg scorer, but I think 14-15 is certainly possible if he is getting 28 mpg.
Jae, on the other hand, will require 2-3 guys to replace him. The scoring, the rebounding, the steals, and all the other little things he does to create possessions. Jae is one of the best players I've ever seen at finding ways to get a possession without stealing the ball -- he'll knock it off someone's leg while diving out of bounds, take the charge, slap rebounds to teammates, block a shot in a ripping fashion, he is Mr. Everything.
I love DJO, I have been completely bullish on DJO this season, and was even a little disappointed to see Jae's star start to outshine him this season simply because I'm such a big DJO fan, but there's no denying that Jae does more for this team than anyone since Wade, and in terms of versatility of contribution, he might be even better than Wade.
You damn near need 5 guys to replace what Jae brings.
You really think Mayo is going to replace DJO next year? Mayo has been nothing if not inconsistent this year, and he does not have near the explosiveness that DJO has - not even in the same universe.
Mayo averaged 20.6 minutes this year and 7.7ppg. Not bad for a freshman, but I think its a stretch to say he could step into DJO's shoes next year. Hope he does, but I just don't see it.
Actually i thought djo might be worthy of SOG tonite
Just watched the last 10 min again. You could argue for a few guys. DJO is basically the equivalent of a shutdown corner, he played great off the ball and hit some huge FTs. Junior had some great stats and huge FTs too. But I the end it's Jae. He was everywhere that he needed to be.
Quote from: Norm on March 18, 2012, 12:15:26 AM
You really think Mayo is going to replace DJO next year? Mayo has been nothing if not inconsistent this year, and he does not have near the explosiveness that DJO has - not even in the same universe.
Mayo averaged 20.6 minutes this year and 7.7ppg. Not bad for a freshman, but I think its a stretch to say he could step into DJO's shoes next year. Hope he does, but I just don't see it.
Mayo will take a BIG step up next year - and would not be surprised at all to see him average 15 per game. Mayo doesn't play the game at the breakneck speed of DJO, yet in my opinion (other than a 7-9 game stretch) Mayo rarely plays out of control. Todd plays with great tempo, rhythm, and has similar offensive versatility as DJO. Todd will never be as physically imposing as DJO, yet DJO's insane speed and athleticism at times lead to him turning the ball over frequently, as well as getting player control fouls.
Love DJO, and believe he made some really nice strides the 2nd half of the season in deciding when to take it all the way to the rack on the break, and when to pull up. I look forward to seeing Todd next year - as I think he has star written all over him.
I think there should be some serious consideration for DJO b/c when we were down 5 with 7 to go he basically said. give me the ball and turned the game around.
FJO had 3 or 4 drives where he was just physically dominate. However, he does half of what Crowder does on the court.
It has to be Jae. He was collecting big rebounds and had his hands in the way of key passes.... I don't think I felt a moment of relief in that game until Jae hit that three to put us up 6.
And while not a SOTG, Gardner's buckets late were arguably the biggest.
Quote from: nnovak8 on March 18, 2012, 09:31:56 AM
It has to be Jae. He was collecting big rebounds and had his hands in the way of key passes.... I don't think I felt a moment of relief in that game until Jae hit that three to put us up 6.
And while not a SOTG, Gardner's buckets late were arguably the biggest.
He hit that 3 immediately after he took the charge. That sequence was what sealed it. (And I think Murray had a beef on that charge call though.)
Win Score:
J Wilson: -.06
Crowder: .28
DJO: .13
Blue: -.19
Junior: .08
Mayo: .15
Anderson: -.50
D Wilson: -.50
Davante: .10
I'm voting Jae but that takes nothing away from the great game both DJO and Junior had. All three upperclassmen understood that they 'needed' to play more basketball together as a team. Each had huge contributions to the game.
Let's remember that when basketball finally ends for 2011-12, this becomes Junior's team. He earned that field promotion stripe last night.
Junior ran the show, kept giving DJO and Jae the opps to score when things were not falling. He drove the lane, dished, scored, dove for steals. 3 rebounds, 4 assists, 1 steal and only one turnover in 37 minutes of basically handling the ball multiple times on every possession. The props he got from the Seniors in the post-game presser seal the deal.
Junior. THE Point Guard. Marquette.
Junior Cadougan, floor general of our hearts :)
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 18, 2012, 09:36:53 AMHe hit that 3 immediately after he took the charge. That sequence was what sealed it. (And I think Murray had a beef on that charge call though.)
Disagree with that. Was Jae still moving? Absolutely. But his position near the basket was established, and when the offensive player deliberately lowers his shoulder and drives into the defender, he's the one that's committing a foul. The same thing happened in the first half, can't remember who was defending, but it was incorrectly called a block on Marquette.
That's one of the rules officials are very inconsistent on, but once you lower the shoulder and drive into the defending player, it should be a foul every single time.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 18, 2012, 01:21:56 PM
Disagree with that. Was Jae still moving? Absolutely. But his position near the basket was established, and when the offensive player deliberately lowers his shoulder and drives into the defender, he's the one that's committing a foul. The same thing happened in the first half, can't remember who was defending, but it was incorrectly called a block on Marquette.
That's one of the rules officials are very inconsistent on, but once you lower the shoulder and drive into the defending player, it should be a foul every single time.
This.
Agree completely. It was a charge, an obvious one. They did not have a beef with that call.
I loved DJO's four step to the basket to end the half. I'd give it to Gardner for playing on one leg. His points were pretty much the difference.