1. Like LittleMurs, I have a sentimental attachment to Murray St.
2. Not sure how much DG is going to be able to play with a short turnaround. Also don't know who he will be able to defend.
3. Need another 22 minutes, 10 pts and 6 rebounds from Todd Mayo.
4. Blue and Mayo need to be very active on defense.
5. Probably going to have to play 'no-help' defense on Canaan. Whoever guards him has to stay with him, and maybe even faceguard him, 30 feet from the basket.
6. Need JWilson to show up.
7. No 5 minute lulls, por favor.
summary of the game vs. BYU as it pertains to Murray-
outside of #1, 2-7 pertinent-
agree with 6--- JW was inexplicably ineffective- VB has to finish around the rim... and not make goofy fouls after playing tough D.
8 it's gotta be more than the Jae and DJO show- thought #2 could mean someone else has got to step up. nice game by Mayo... he can really set his place at the table for next year with a strong finish to his Frosh year.
9 Avoid the keystone cops possessions... a stretch there where a few times down on O the guys looked like they were doing everything they could to throw the ball away.
overall, a great effort vs. BYU--- some soft moments, but they are a pretty good team... can see why they came back to beat Iona.
should prepare us well for upcoming tilts.
who will start out on caanan? I say blue.
Vander Blue is the key for MU against Murray St. His length and athleticism on defense will be key, I am unsure on how much Cadougan will play against Canaan. If he does it will be interesting.
Against such a quick team, we CANNOT pick up early fouls.
I think it will be a combination of Blue, Mayo, Derrick Wilson, and even some Jamil Wilson on Canaan. I hope (and somewhat expect) Canaan is reduced to tears in his post game presser a la Tu Holloway last year. :'(
We have the best player on the court in Jae, but Murray State is as quick as we are and has the benefit of playing at home. It appears the committee did for them what it did for Bucky in Milwaukee a few years ago: underseed them but them give them two home games. JW has to stay on the court, and it would be really nice if Todd's game against BYU was a revival and not just a one-night show. Tough, tough game.
Way too much being made of this as a home game for Murray state. I understand why Buzz would use it as motivation, but is it really a home game for them? Sure they may have more fans there, but there will be MU fans there as well, I heard them loud and clear on the radio against byu. It is not their home gym, they still have to travel, sleep in strange beds, hell mu has more familiarity with the yum center than they do.
By the way, was the slippery court floor from kfc grease? just a thought. Hope they get that disaster fixed.
Jamil Wilson is far from a concern. Junior Cadougan is by far Marquette's liability.
Quote from: hairyworthen on March 16, 2012, 08:17:43 AM
Way too much being made of this as a home game for Murray state. I understand why Buzz would use it as motivation, but is it really a home game for them? Sure they may have more fans there, but there will be MU fans there as well, I heard them loud and clear on the radio against byu. It is not their home gym, they still have to travel, sleep in strange beds, hell mu has more familiarity with the yum center than they do.
No it isn't a home game for them. Especially with a bunch of UK fans buying tickets for the session. Perhaps they might sentimentally cheer for Murray State but it will be nothing like the atmosphere that Wisconsin had in the Bradley Center that year. (And by the way, Wisconsin lost that game.)
Quote from: GOMU85 on March 16, 2012, 08:20:17 AM
Jamil Wilson is far from a concern. Junior Cadougan is by far Marquette's liability.
Cadougan is not a liability. The team plays worse when he is not in and better when he is in, He is NOT a liability. Yes, he sucked against louisville and had some bad moments against byu, but I would not call him Marquettes liability.
I just think that Marquette's combination of speed, strength, athleticism, and toughness are going to be something Murray State hasn't seen, and hopefully too much for them. I'm sure they have seen a couple of the above from teams throughout the season, but I just don't think they will be able to handle a team that can match/exceed their athleticism, that plays as physical and relentlessly as MU.
Quote from: hairyworthen on March 16, 2012, 08:36:24 AM
Cadougan is not a liability. The team plays worse when he is not in and better when he is in, He is NOT a liability. Yes, he sucked against louisville and had some bad moments against byu, but I would not call him Marquettes liability.
99% of this board agrees with you. GOMU85 has simply decided that this is going to be his way to get attention.
Being there yesterday, there were definitely more Murray State fans than Marquette fans, as they were spread out across the arena, in addition to their assigned section. Overall, there were a lot of people wearing gold for both teams.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 16, 2012, 08:37:48 AM
99% of this board agrees with you. GOMU85 has simply decided that this is going to be his way to get attention.
GOMU85, being a one note gong, has joined hoopaloop on the short (bus) list of people who will not be getting my attention. Click. Cadougan is not a liability. He has flaws, like everybody else, but the team is clearly better when he is in the game.
VB has to finish around the rim...
YES PLEASE!
Murray St doesn't have enough size to consistently disrupt Blue at the rim. It WILL be the matchup of forwards with funky hair.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 16, 2012, 08:37:48 AM
99% of this board agrees with you. GOMU85 has simply decided that this is going to be his way to get attention.
winner winner.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 16, 2012, 08:37:48 AM
99% of this board agrees with you. GOMU85 has simply decided that this is going to be his way to get attention.
Ignore feature works wonders. I ignore two posters on this board and GOMU85 is one of them. Well worth it.
Quote from: downtown85 on March 16, 2012, 09:07:28 AM
Ignore feature works wonders. I ignore two posters on this board and GOMU85 is one of them. Well worth it.
you really ignore me?? I can't tell
I'll agree the team is better offensively when Cadougan is on the floor. However, if we're facing a speedy quick PG (live say Siva), Cadougan can most definitely be a liability defensively. Here's hoping Blue and Mayo stay on top of Canaan.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on March 16, 2012, 08:55:54 AM
winner winner.
If being honest gets your attention then I'm gonna keep it "funky" at all times. Yall have a great day.
GO MARQUETTE!!
Quote from: Aughnanure on March 16, 2012, 09:17:21 AM
I'll agree the team is better offensively when Cadougan is on the floor. However, if we're facing a speedy quick PG (live say Siva), Cadougan can most definitely be a liability defensively. Here's hoping Blue and Mayo stay on top of Canaan.
+10000
Quote from: Aughnanure on March 16, 2012, 09:17:21 AM
I'll agree the team is better offensively when Cadougan is on the floor. However, if we're facing a speedy quick PG (live say Siva), Cadougan can most definitely be a liability defensively. Here's hoping Blue and Mayo stay on top of Canaan.
After the UL game, Buzz admitted his game plan was wrong. I think he realized pressing Louisville was foolish and defensively putting Cadougan on Siva was a mistake. I actually think he will slow this game down and use the height on the inside.
Quote from: GOMU85 on March 16, 2012, 09:19:42 AM
+10000
Hold on...what? You have been bitching and moaning about JC for a week and you "+1000" the statement "I'll agree the team is better offensively when Cadougan is on the floor."
Strange.
Quote from: GOMU85 on March 16, 2012, 09:19:42 AM
+10000
Except you didn't say defensive liability, you said Marquettes liability, which he is not.
Quote from: TVDirector on March 16, 2012, 07:04:37 AM
summary of the game vs. BYU as it pertains to Murray-
outside of #1, 2-7 pertinent-
agree with 6--- JW was inexplicably ineffective- VB has to finish around the rim... and not make goofy fouls after playing tough D.
8 it's gotta be more than the Jae and DJO show- thought #2 could mean someone else has got to step up. nice game by Mayo... he can really set his place at the table for next year with a strong finish to his Frosh year.
9 Avoid the keystone cops possessions... a stretch there where a few times down on O the guys looked like they were doing everything they could to throw the ball away.
overall, a great effort vs. BYU--- some soft moments, but they are a pretty good team... can see why they came back to beat Iona.
should prepare us well for upcoming tilts.
Are you guys kidding me on the jamil wison comments???
Did u watch the game??? Jamil was absolutely hug for us. Noah hartsock scored every single time he touched the ball when devante garded him. And never once when jamil guarded him. His defense n rebounding were huge factors in mu winning. Only times we got stops in the second half jamil was a huge factor. Assessing ones play by looking at points scored is really dumb
Quote from: hairyworthen on March 16, 2012, 08:36:24 AM
Cadougan is not a liability. The team plays worse when he is not in and better when he is in, He is NOT a liability. Yes, he sucked against louisville and had some bad moments against byu, but I would not call him Marquettes liability.
Blue needs to play A LOT better on offense. I had my usual NCAA day one party yesterday with a lot of friends (7 guys during the MU game), some of whom coach at the high school level, and to a man they could not understand why we ever give Blue the ball. It became kind of a running joke every time he made another mistake, despite my protests that he was just having an off day. The truth is, that wasn't that much of an off-day for Blue. Just thought I'd mention how outsiders perceive us. I got them all back during UConn's pathetic performance.
The best things about yesterday (I exclude the fine work of Crowder and DJO because I've come to expect that) were the play of Gardner and Mayo (after a shaky start) off of the bench. If Mayo reverts to that December form, we're going to be a very tough out.
Quote from: hairyworthen on March 16, 2012, 09:22:53 AM
Except you didn't say defensive liability, you said Marquettes liability, which he is not.
He is both a defensive liability and an offensive liablity. He turns the ball over way too much, he makes "UNINTELLIGENT" mistakes. He can't go left and his ball handeling is below average for a point gaurd. Am I a Junior Cadougan hater? YES! The kid sucks and half of you knows that.
I'm a "real" fan so just let me complain. If you don't like what I have to say then just ignore me.
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on March 16, 2012, 09:25:16 AM
Are you guys kidding me on the jamil wison comments???
Did u watch the game??? Jamil was absolutely hug for us. Noah hartsock scored every single time he touched the ball when devante garded him. And never once when jamil guarded him. His defense n rebounding were huge factors in mu winning. Only times we got stops in the second half jamil was a huge factor. Assessing ones play by looking at points scored is really dumb
AMEN!!!
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on March 16, 2012, 09:25:16 AM
Are you guys kidding me on the jamil wison comments???
Did u watch the game??? Jamil was absolutely hug for us. Noah hartsock scored every single time he touched the ball when devante garded him. And never once when jamil guarded him. His defense n rebounding were huge factors in mu winning. Only times we got stops in the second half jamil was a huge factor. Assessing ones play by looking at points scored is really dumb
I also thought Jamil was fine in the game. Fouls are always the bugaboo with him.
The only guy who didn't come out looking good was Vander. He just had one of those half-second slow games. I'd imagine that's different tomorrow and his length on defense could come in huge against Canaan.
Murray is a good match-up for MU as it is a carbon copy. The real key will be the mobility of our bigs. Watching Murray yesterday they run a ton of screens and having Crowder and Wilson defending that is in our advantage.
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on March 16, 2012, 09:25:16 AM
Are you guys kidding me on the jamil wison comments???
Did u watch the game??? Jamil was absolutely hug for us. Noah hartsock scored every single time he touched the ball when devante garded him. And never once when jamil guarded him. His defense n rebounding were huge factors in mu winning. Only times we got stops in the second half jamil was a huge factor. Assessing ones play by looking at points scored is really dumb
Great point Dimes. There is a reason Buzz substitutes Gardner out on defense and isn't because he gets tired (well, at least not solely).
On another note, I have seen Murray State now four times, and they do not do a very good job of defensive rebounding. Anyone have their tempo free defensive rebounding percentage rank? It must be bad.
It will be interesting to see how Buzz decides to attack the offensive boards in this game, especially if they play zone. If we attack too much we are open to transition. However, we could get 15-20 offensive boards in this game. I guess that is why Buzz gets the big bucks.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 16, 2012, 08:29:45 AM
No it isn't a home game for them. Especially with a bunch of UK fans buying tickets for the session. Perhaps they might sentimentally cheer for Murray State but it will be nothing like the atmosphere that Wisconsin had in the Bradley Center that year. (And by the way, Wisconsin lost that game.)
Umm....i have to assume you are no where near Louisville. I have been to MU tiurnament games since 1993 and have never seen anything like this. Probably 5000 UK fans standing outside the exists offering $250 a ticket seats unseen for saturday. Prolly 20,000 or more UK fans in the bars and surrounding with not a ticket to be purchased for any price.
Saturdays session will be 20,000 crazy crazy UK fans and 1000 of each Muuray, MU n ISU.
The UK fans will root for murray being instate n cause Calipari told them to. And in case u did not know this....UK hates Marquette, they dont feel they should ever lose n MU beats them every time. MU might as well be playin louisville.... road crowd wise.
Has anyone seen the lines for the game yet? I'd be interested to see how Vegas deals with Murray playing a pseudo home game. And don't kid yourselves, it will be about as neutral as Germany in 1939. Kentucky fans made it a home environment for Iowa State, a team they have no connection to and the place will be 90-10 in support of the Racers tomorrow.
Quote from: CTWarrior on March 16, 2012, 09:28:20 AM
Blue needs to play A LOT better on offense. I had my usual NCAA day one party yesterday with a lot of friends (7 guys during the MU game), some of whom coach at the high school level, and to a man they could not understand why we ever give Blue the ball. It became kind of a running joke every time he made another mistake, despite my protests that he was just having an off day. The truth is, that wasn't that much of an off-day for Blue. Just thought I'd mention how outsiders perceive us. I got them all back during UConn's pathetic performance.
The best things about yesterday (I exclude the fine work of Crowder and DJO because I've come to expect that) were the play of Gardner and Mayo (after a shaky start) off of the bench. If Mayo reverts to that December form, we're going to be a very tough out.
Twice blue had uncontested layups and attempted stupid finger rolls and bricked layup...KISS
Quote from: CTWarrior on March 16, 2012, 09:28:20 AM
Blue needs to play A LOT better on offense. I had my usual NCAA day one party yesterday with a lot of friends (7 guys during the MU game), some of whom coach at the high school level, and to a man they could not understand why we ever give Blue the ball. It became kind of a running joke every time he made another mistake, despite my protests that he was just having an off day. The truth is, that wasn't that much of an off-day for Blue. Just thought I'd mention how outsiders perceive us. I got them all back during UConn's pathetic performance.
The best things about yesterday (I exclude the fine work of Crowder and DJO because I've come to expect that) were the play of Gardner and Mayo (after a shaky start) off of the bench. If Mayo reverts to that December form, we're going to be a very tough out.
Were they badger fans?
Line right now according to scoremobile is MU -4.5 and kenpom has MU winning 73-68 with that at 67%
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on March 16, 2012, 09:36:12 AM
Umm....i have to assume you are no where near Louisville. I have been to MU tiurnament games since 1993 and have never seen anything like this. Probably 5000 UK fans standing outside the exists offering $250 a ticket seats unseen for saturday. Prolly 20,000 or more UK fans in the bars and surrounding with not a ticket to be purchased for any price.
Saturdays session will be 20,000 crazy crazy UK fans and 1000 of each Muuray, MU n ISU.
The UK fans will root for murray being instate n cause Calipari told them to. And in case u did not know this....UK hates Marquette, they dont feel they should ever lose n MU beats them every time. MU might as well be playin louisville.... road crowd wise.
OK...you would know more than I. Ah well. Gotta face the obstacles in front of us I guess.
I really think Blue should try going for a dunk more than layups. He just doesn't have a very soft touch around the rim. If he scores 0 points on Saturday, but keeps Canaan under 20, I will be thrilled with his performance. Hopefully we can cut off the head of the snake like we did against Xavier.
Quote from: GOMU85 on March 16, 2012, 09:28:46 AM
He is both a defensive liability and an offensive liablity. He turns the ball over way too much, he makes "UNINTELLIGENT" mistakes. He can't go left and his ball handeling is below average for a point gaurd. Am I a Junior Cadougan hater? YES! The kid sucks and half of you knows that.
I'm a "real" fan so just let me complain. If you don't like what I have to say then just ignore me.
Just because he dosent score a lot of points doesnt make him an offensive liablilty. He runs the offense and gets his teammates shots. Does he make mistakes? yes, but he isn't unitelligent or a liability.
What the hell does "real" fan mean. Are you insinuating that I or others are not. If you want people to like what you say all the time, don't post on message boards or you will be disappointed.
Quote from: bobnoxious on March 16, 2012, 09:43:41 AM
Line right now according to scoremobile is MU -4.5 and kenpom has MU winning 73-68 with that at 67%
Hey Bob, sounds like you have full Pomeroy access. What is Murray State's national rank stopping offensive rebounds?
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on March 16, 2012, 09:36:12 AM
Umm....i have to assume you are no where near Louisville. I have been to MU tiurnament games since 1993 and have never seen anything like this. Probably 5000 UK fans standing outside the exists offering $250 a ticket seats unseen for saturday. Prolly 20,000 or more UK fans in the bars and surrounding with not a ticket to be purchased for any price.
Saturdays session will be 20,000 crazy crazy UK fans and 1000 of each Muuray, MU n ISU.
The UK fans will root for murray being instate n cause Calipari told them to. And in case u did not know this....UK hates Marquette, they dont feel they should ever lose n MU beats them every time. MU might as well be playin louisville.... road crowd wise.
In terms of crowd noise, yes you are right there will be more cheering for Murray State than MU But there is more to home court advantage than fans yelling. Good players should tune that out anyway.
Another agree on the Jamil comments. His key contributions are going to be on defense.
If we are expecting something new out of Blue 33 games into the season than shame on us. He's going to give you what he always gives you. In a big game like this if you can't say the key to the game is in the hands of two star seniors who are NBA prospects, then forget about it. This game is JC and DJO's to own. It's on them, and not on guys like Blue or Mayo.
Quote from: GOMU85 on March 16, 2012, 09:28:46 AM
He is both a defensive liability and an offensive liablity. He turns the ball over way too much, he makes "UNINTELLIGENT" mistakes. He can't go left and his ball handeling is below average for a point gaurd. Am I a Junior Cadougan hater? YES! The kid sucks and half of you knows that.
Quote from: GOMU85 on January 18, 2012, 02:26:44 PM
I never known a bunch of "Fans" who can be so critical of their own players. I'm sick of reading negative crap on here.
Such a quick turnaround from what you said yourself just a couple months ago. Christ you're a moron.
Quote from: CTWarrior on March 16, 2012, 09:28:20 AM
Blue needs to play A LOT better on offense. I had my usual NCAA day one party yesterday with a lot of friends (7 guys during the MU game), some of whom coach at the high school level, and to a man they could not understand why we ever give Blue the ball. It became kind of a running joke every time he made another mistake, despite my protests that he was just having an off day. The truth is, that wasn't that much of an off-day for Blue. Just thought I'd mention how outsiders perceive us. I got them all back during UConn's pathetic performance.
Blue does NOT have to play "a lot better on offense" when we score 88 points, if he is going to play defense like he did yesterday. Just like Dimes pointed out with Jamil....game is played on both ends of the floor, and Blue was a glove.
Quote from: MarquetteDano on March 16, 2012, 09:47:46 AM
Hey Bob, sounds like you have full Pomeroy access. What is Murray State's national rank stopping offensive rebounds?
85th in offensive rebounding %, 285th in defensive rebounding %.
Very similar profile to MU (76th, 308th). However, they are shorter than us and those are raw unadjusted numbers, which they put up against horrific competition. I expect MU to have a clear rebounding advantage tomorrow.
Quote from: GOMU85 on March 16, 2012, 09:28:46 AM
The kid sucks and half of you knows that.
Hey, don't sell yourself short. We all knows that. I'm with Jamailman. You're a moron.
Quote from: MarquetteDano on March 16, 2012, 09:47:46 AM
Hey Bob, sounds like you have full Pomeroy access. What is Murray State's national rank stopping offensive rebounds?
Murray State is ranked 285 at 35.1% and MU is 308 at 35.9%
Quote from: GOMU85 on March 16, 2012, 09:28:46 AM
He is both a defensive liability and an offensive liablity. He turns the ball over way too much, he makes "UNINTELLIGENT" mistakes. He can't go left and his ball handeling is below average for a point gaurd. Am I a Junior Cadougan hater? YES! The kid sucks and half of you knows that.
But that's not what you "+1000."
You are the only one here who seems to think he is an offensive liability.
Quote from: MarquetteDano on March 16, 2012, 09:47:46 AM
Hey Bob, sounds like you have full Pomeroy access. What is Murray State's national rank stopping offensive rebounds?
Not Bob, but Murray State is 83rd in grabbing offense rebounds and 285th in allowing them. I think we should be able to attack the glass. KenPom also has them ranked 5 spots worse than BYU on defense and about 50 spots better on offense.
In comparison to us, we are slightly better on defense (7 spots) and much better on offense (50)
I really think that if you think this Marquette team plays worse with Cadougan on the court either:
a.) you know absolutely nothing about basketball
b.) you are not watching the games and are only looking at the box score or are too drunk during the games to really see what is going on
Marquette plays an up tempo style of play where Cadougan is asked to push push push and force plays down the court before the other teams defense can set up...this style of play leaves little room for error and is much more turnover liable...Cadougan is out there trying to make plays and yes he turns the ball over more than I would like him to but to call him a liability or to say we are worse with him on the court is just down right ignorant.
Quote from: icheights on March 16, 2012, 10:06:21 AM
I really think that if you think this Marquette team plays worse with Cadougan on the court either:
a.) you know absolutely nothing about basketball
b.) you are not watching the games and are only looking at the box score or are too drunk during the games to really see what is going on
Can it be true that Cadougan is not very good but the players we have to replace him are significantly worse? I agree that we are much better when he is on the floor, but that can be do to the fact that we don't have a serviceable replacement.
I think that while his handle and decision making aren't always the best, Cadougan is a competent, middle-of the-pack high-major college PG. We have been spoiled over the years by the likes of Miller, Hutchins, Henry, Diener, James, etc. I think unfortunately that DJO, D Wilson, Mayo and Blue are not ready to play PG at anything close to to Junior's level, so we struggle when he sits, but that doesn't make him John Stockton or something.
rebounding will be the key. get second chance points, draw fouls (love to see some more Devante "and-one's"), and limit their 3's, and this should be a win.
If we let them get rolling from 3 and get the crowd into it we could be in for a long day/early exit.
* one questions, does anyone know if MSU compare to any teams in the Big East as far as style of play, stats, matchups, etc?
It's true that Cadougan is clearly our best option at point guard. However, the PG position is not a strength for Marquette.
JC was thoroughly dominated by Peyton Siva at both ends. He does a pretty good job of running the offense and getting out in transition, but is not a threat to score in any context, not a good FT shooter and is an average defender at best.
Quote from: bobnoxious on March 16, 2012, 10:01:10 AM
Murray State is ranked 285 at 35.1% and MU is 308 at 35.9%
Bob,
Thanks. Confirms my theory that we should do quite well offensive rebounding versus them. I am not so sure despite our rank they will do as well against us. At least if we don't shoot great this game we can make some of it up getting second chances.
Quote from: cheebs09 on March 16, 2012, 09:45:36 AM
Hopefully we can cut off the head of the snake like we did against Xavier.
+1. As Cannon goes, so too do the Racers. I'm hoping that Blue zips 'em up.
Quote from: downtown85 on March 16, 2012, 09:07:28 AM
Ignore feature works wonders. I ignore two posters on this board and GOMU85 is one of them. Well worth it.
Here-here!
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 16, 2012, 09:20:16 AM
After the UL game, Buzz admitted his game plan was wrong. I think he realized pressing Louisville was foolish and defensively putting Cadougan on Siva was a mistake. I actually think he will slow this game down and use the height on the inside.
Who guarded Siva the first time we played them? Siva only scored 2 points in Milwaukee.
Junior runs into trouble when he starts throwing the ball away too much.
Quote from: mufanatic on March 16, 2012, 10:37:48 AM
Who guarded Siva the first time we played them? Siva only scored 2 points in Milwaukee.
Junior runs into trouble when he starts throwing the ball away too much.
I think Junior is the key to the entire game.
Protect the ball equals victory. Period.
Quote from: downtown85 on March 16, 2012, 07:35:13 AM
I think it will be a combination of Blue, Mayo, Derrick Wilson, and even some Jamil Wilson on Canaan. I hope (and somewhat expect) Canaan is reduced to tears in his post game presser a la Tu Holloway last year. :'(
There's a big reason Tu Holloway was reduced to tears last year .....and his name is JFB.
Blue, Mayo, D. Wilson or J. Wilson have to go some to become the lockdown defender that Jimmy was/is. Can they do a sufficient job on him tomorrow? Absolutely. I agree with the poster who said someone may have to faceguard him 30 feet from the basket. Don't even let him touch the ball. Make the other 4 guys beat us. Keep substituting the four mentioned on him, wear him out and don't let him see the ball.
Quote from: Henry Sugar on March 16, 2012, 10:42:42 AM
I think Junior is the key to the entire game.
Protect the ball equals victory. Period.
+1
Quote from: mufanatic on March 16, 2012, 10:37:48 AM
Who guarded Siva the first time we played them? Siva only scored 2 points in Milwaukee.
Junior runs into trouble when he starts throwing the ball away too much.
Hahaha Siva isn't a scorer
Quote from: CTWarrior on March 16, 2012, 10:17:02 AM
Can it be true that Cadougan is not very good but the players we have to replace him are significantly worse? I agree that we are much better when he is on the floor, but that can be do to the fact that we don't have a serviceable replacement.
I think that while his handle and decision making aren't always the best, Cadougan is a competent, middle-of the-pack high-major college PG. We have been spoiled over the years by the likes of Miller, Hutchins, Henry, Diener, James, etc. I think unfortunately that DJO, D Wilson, Mayo and Blue are not ready to play PG at anything close to to Junior's level, so we struggle when he sits, but that doesn't make him John Stockton or something.
+10000
I found it interesting at the press conference a few days ago, Buzz said (something to the effect of) Cadougan was the best PG he'd coached. High praise for a guy who also coached Dom James.
Quote from: GOMU85 on March 16, 2012, 10:57:26 AM
Hahaha Siva isn't a scorer
He's been averaging about 15 a game since the BEast tourney started. His scoring has been a key to their run. Taking 10-11 shots a game instead of the 5 or 6 he was taking earlier this year.
Do you ever watch college basketball?
Team Rank: PPG - RPG - APG - FG% - SOS
Marquette: 31st - 102nd - 7th - 73rd - 17th
Murray St: 40th - 237th - 161st - 23rd - 158th
(I didn't think MU was going to meet a significantly worse rebounding team in the tournament, but there you go)
KenPom: adjOff - adjDef - adjTempo - Best Win - Worst Loss
Marquette: 27th - 20th - 15th - Wisconsin-a (#5) - LSU (#100)
Murray St: 74th - 27th - 183rd - Memphis-a (#9) - TN State-h (#168)
(Look for the transition game to be back in full force tomorrow)
Murray State Depth
8 players have played in all or all but one game this season. (Aska played in 26, but was injured for six of them)
Starting five (Canaan, Poole, Long, Aska, Daniel) account for 72% of the teams' minutes (143 of 200)
Most minutes off the bench: Mushatt (19 mpg) and Jackson (18.5 mpg)
(Probably will only go 7 deep vs. MU since Garrett was DNP and Wilson played only 7 mins. vs. Colorado St.)
Murray State "Size"
Nussman, fr, 6-9: Has played in 6 games this year, none since Feb 2
Garrett, so, 6-9: DNP vs. Colorado St; 7 points and 6 rebounds TOTAL (not per game) in past 9 games. Has only played more than 8 minutes once in past 9 games.
Aska, sr, 6-7: Averaging 11 & 6 in 27 for the season. 6 & 8 in 31 vs. Colo St. 12 & 3 in 32 vs. Memphis.
Daniel, jr, 6-7: Averaging 7 & 5 in 23 for the season with 1.5 blocks and 3 fouls per game. 6 & 6 in 31 vs. Colo St. 13 & 9 in 27 vs. Memphis. 59% FT shooter.
(Their tallest "contributing" players are 6-7, and there's only two of them.)
Murray State Shooters
Canaan - 19 ppg, 48% from the floor. Averages 3 makes on 6.5 attempts (46.4%) from downtown. 1.4/1 Assist to T/O ratio.
Poole - 14 ppg, 45% from the floor. 2.1 on 5.4 (39%) from downtown. .83/1 ATO (that's bad).
Long - 8.5 ppg, 49% from the floor, 0.7 on 1.6 (44%) from downtown. 1.3/1 ATO
Aska, Daniel & Mushatt shoot over 40% from downtown, but not one averages more than 1 attempt per game.
(Not a very 3pt-dependent team, although Canaan is quite dangerous.)
Maybe it's just me, but I can't find anywhere where Murray State has a definite advantage over MU.
Quote from: Benny B on March 16, 2012, 11:31:08 AM
Maybe it's just me, but I can't find anywhere where Murray State has a definite advantage over MU.
Experience
3 pt shooting.
"There's a big reason Tu Holloway was reduced to tears last year .....and his name is JFB. "
+1. There's a reason he went in the first round, and it wasn't necessarily his offensive game.
Quote from: Henry Sugar on March 16, 2012, 11:35:29 AM
Experience
Sure... it will be about as much of a factor in the first session as it will be in the second tomorrow.
Quote from: tower912 on March 16, 2012, 11:42:13 AM
3 pt shooting.
If comparing the teams independently, sure, but against MU specifically, I don't see that as an advantage. Canaan is 6-0... you put someone 3-4 inches taller in his face (e.g. Blue or Mayo), and he might not hit a trey all game.
Quote from: Benny B on March 16, 2012, 11:31:08 AM
Team Rank: PPG - RPG - APG - FG% - SOS
Marquette: 31st - 102nd - 7th - 73rd - 17th
Murray St: 40th - 237th - 161st - 23rd - 158th
(I didn't think MU was going to meet a significantly worse rebounding team in the tournament, but there you go)
KenPom: adjOff - adjDef - adjTempo - Best Win - Worst Loss
Marquette: 27th - 20th - 15th - Wisconsin-a (#5) - LSU (#100)
Murray St: 74th - 27th - 183rd - Memphis-a (#9) - TN State-h (#168)
(Look for the transition game to be back in full force tomorrow)
Murray State Depth
8 players have played in all or all but one game this season. (Aska played in 26, but was injured for six of them)
Starting five (Canaan, Poole, Long, Aska, Daniel) account for 72% of the teams' minutes (143 of 200)
Most minutes off the bench: Mushatt (19 mpg) and Jackson (18.5 mpg)
(Probably will only go 7 deep vs. MU since Garrett was DNP and Wilson played only 7 mins. vs. Colorado St.)
Murray State "Size"
Nussman, fr, 6-9: Has played in 6 games this year, none since Feb 2
Garrett, so, 6-9: DNP vs. Colorado St; 7 points and 6 rebounds TOTAL (not per game) in past 9 games. Has only played more than 8 minutes once in past 9 games.
Aska, sr, 6-7: Averaging 11 & 6 in 27 for the season. 6 & 8 in 31 vs. Colo St. 12 & 3 in 32 vs. Memphis.
Daniel, jr, 6-7: Averaging 7 & 5 in 23 for the season with 1.5 blocks and 3 fouls per game. 6 & 6 in 31 vs. Colo St. 13 & 9 in 27 vs. Memphis. 59% FT shooter.
(Their tallest "contributing" players are 6-7, and there's only two of them.)
Murray State Shooters
Canaan - 19 ppg, 48% from the floor. Averages 3 makes on 6.5 attempts (46.4%) from downtown. 1.4/1 Assist to T/O ratio.
Poole - 14 ppg, 45% from the floor. 2.1 on 5.4 (39%) from downtown. .83/1 ATO (that's bad).
Long - 8.5 ppg, 49% from the floor, 0.7 on 1.6 (44%) from downtown. 1.3/1 ATO
Aska, Daniel & Mushatt shoot over 40% from downtown, but not one averages more than 1 attempt per game.
(Not a very 3pt-dependent team, although Canaan is quite dangerous.)
Maybe it's just me, but I can't find anywhere where Murray State has a definite advantage over MU.
Very nice summary, thanks for putting this together.
Lots a bashing of Jr.
More often than not, he's pretty good. Playing point guard is like pitching in baseball.....if your pitcher is having a bad day, it's tough to win.
What I really like about Junior...he never, never backs down.
Once he fully matures(and he will) as a point guard, watch out.
I really think Vander is going to step up. DJ and Crowder will do what they do, but Vander could suprise people. His length is exactly what we need on Canaan. Offensively I think their lack of size can help him finish in the lane. Rebounding I think he could get a lot of offensive boards with their height and what ken pom says about their team. Maybe this is all just wishful thinking.