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Quote from: GoMarquette32 on March 10, 2012, 09:50:27 PM
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Nope. RPI will still likely be below MU. Best wins outside of beating MU (beating Cincy tonight isn't better than beating MU) are Memphis and Vandy.
Projected as a 5 seed, will maybe move up to a 4 with a win. Bad loss at Providence, while MU has no bad losses (no losses to teams outside RPI 100).
Doesn't matter, win a game and advance, then repeat several times
Fsu maybe??
Quote from: muwarrior97 on March 10, 2012, 09:56:10 PM
Doesn't matter, win a game and advance, then repeat several times
Das right.
Spanked #9 MU, spanked #25 ND, spanked Cincy who just beat #2 and won BE tournament.
Would not be shocked if they get a 3 seed. Committee has done stranger things in the past.
Looks like Siva wants to get in Doris Burke's pants.
My 3 seed line looks like this: Baylor, Marquette, Louisville, Michigan/FSU(depending on outcome of ACC title game). I don't think Louisville will pass us and I think Michigan could be the team that drops to a 4.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 10, 2012, 10:15:38 PM
Looks Siva wants to get in Doris Burke's pants.
who wouldn't...
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 10, 2012, 10:15:38 PM
Looks like Siva wants to get in Doris Burke's pants.
Cat's got a thing for things aina?
http://msn.foxsports.com/collegebasketball/story/NCAA-tournament-bracket-predictions
Well at least FOX still has MU as a #3.
My 3 line: Baylor, Marquette, Louisville, Michigan
FSU is first up on the 4-line, but historically, the committee has put very little stock in what happens on Sunday when it comes to changing seeding. If the ACC final had been played yesterday and FSU won, they would be a 3. Because it's being played today, I think the Noles stay where they're at.
By the same token, while many are calling the Big Ten final a showdown for a 1-seed, I think both of them will be 2-seeds. Mizzou snagged the last 1-seed yesterday by winning the Big 12, and are they really going to shuffle the deck at the last minute based on the tOSU/MSU winner when UNC will have a better record than either of them and arguably a better profile?
Regardless, we should be locked into a 3.
Kansas is still going to get the 1 seed.
I am afraid they will only because they are Louisville. Ranked higher in preseason and finished strong. This one scares me.
Mizzou's resume does not deserve a 1 seed.
BracketProject has us as a 3, and the 2nd 3 (behind Baylor) at that. All of their input brackets appeared to be updated as of today.
Quote from: dwaderoy2004 on March 11, 2012, 09:40:08 AMMizzou's resume does not deserve a 1 seed.
The only knock is SOS and 1 loss to Oklahoma State. But 4-1 v RPI top-10 and winning yesterday while Kansas didn't play.
Here's the real question...if I were seeding those two teams, one of them would get the 2-seed in the Midwest (St. Louis) and the other would get the 1-seed in the West (Phoenix). I actually think KU would be better off with the 2 than the 1.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology
Still a #3 with Lunardi.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 11, 2012, 10:50:20 AM
The only knock is SOS and 1 loss to Oklahoma State. But 4-1 v RPI top-10 and winning yesterday while Kansas didn't play.
Here's the real question...if I were seeding those two teams, one of them would get the 2-seed in the Midwest (St. Louis) and the other would get the 1-seed in the West (Phoenix). I actually think KU would be better off with the 2 than the 1.
Their RPI has moved up since I last looked, but when was the last time a #1 seed had an RPI in double figures? Maybe I'm totally wrong, but it would surprise me if it's happened, well, ever.
I should add that ESPN has their RPI at #10 right now. Perhaps other sites have Mizzou higher.
Quote from: dwaderoy2004 on March 11, 2012, 11:05:40 AMTheir RPI has moved up since I last looked, but when was the last time a #1 seed had an RPI in double figures? Maybe I'm totally wrong, but it would surprise me if it's happened, well, ever.
The battle for the last 1 is almost as contentious as figuring out the last 6 teams in. I'm not sure one ever has, but Mizzou having 30 wins is another factor in their favor.
I'm really not sure, and I wouldn't have a problem with either team getting the 1, but the one thing I do feel pretty confident about is that I think either KU or Mizzou will get the last 1-seed over the B1G. I just think that's too late in the day to make a big change.
Quote from: nyg on March 11, 2012, 10:52:17 AM
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology
Still a #3 with Lunardi.
That current bracket has good and bad. Like the N. Mexico St. first game in Nashville. Don't mind California or New Mexico second round. Also, like playing in Phoenix for the regionals as no good teams will be near their home.
However playing Kansas in the Sweet Sixteen? No thank you. I think Louisville proved we are better against teams who like to play more half court offense. Kansas will get too many transition baskets.
Re. the B1G winner, it wouldn't be that big of a change, would it? Just make it an either/or scenario. Winner gets a 1, loser gets a 2. They would probably be placed in the same locations.
Quote from: MarquetteDano on March 11, 2012, 11:17:01 AM
That current bracket has good and bad. Like the N. Mexico St. first game in Nashville. Don't mind California or New Mexico second round. Also, like playing in Phoenix for the regionals as no good teams will be near their home.
However playing Kansas in the Sweet Sixteen? No thank you. I think Louisville proved we are better against teams who like to play more half court offense. Kansas will get too many transition baskets.
The initial draw is pretty sweet because every other team in our quadrant is from the west, and the pod is in Nashville. We may finally have somewhat of a location advantage.
Quote from: dwaderoy2004 on March 11, 2012, 11:17:36 AM
Re. the B1G winner, it wouldn't be that big of a change, would it? Just make it an either/or scenario. Winner gets a 1, loser gets a 2. They would probably be placed in the same locations.
Probably not. MSU would play in Columbus, whereas OSU can't play there.
That makes it even easier since the locations wouldn't even change. MSU is in columbus no matter what, and Ohio St. will be in Louisville no matter what. Just slot the winner as the 1 and the loser as the 2.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 11, 2012, 11:09:15 AM
The battle for the last 1 is almost as contentious as figuring out the last 6 teams in. I'm not sure one ever has, but Mizzou having 30 wins is another factor in their favor.
I'm really not sure, and I wouldn't have a problem with either team getting the 1, but the one thing I do feel pretty confident about is that I think either KU or Mizzou will get the last 1-seed over the B1G. I just think that's too late in the day to make a big change.
Brew, I personally think that the last #1 is reserved for the winner of today's B10 championship with the loser slotted on the #2 line. This allows the committee to do a quick final without having to worry about future prospective conference opponents during the NCAA while still rewarding the best RPI conference with a #1. I think they also have decided who loses their tentative bid in the event St. Bonaventure steals the last dance card. I'm glad I'm not sitting in the Seton Hall student union right now. Having watched them, I personally feel that Drexel is deserving.
As to Louisville, they may have played their way onto the end of the #3 line putting Georgetown or Michigan at risk of moving down. Again, the logic is two open slots last night at 10 PM with Louisville getting the better if they win. Now it's possible that both those slots may have been on the #4 line so it may be transparent to the TV viewers.
One man's guess I suppose.
Quote from: dwaderoy2004 on March 11, 2012, 11:17:36 AMRe. the B1G winner, it wouldn't be that big of a change, would it? Just make it an either/or scenario. Winner gets a 1, loser gets a 2. They would probably be placed in the same locations.
It depends...the committee tries to avoid regular season rematches in the first two rounds, and tries to avoid rematches from the past 2 years of the tournament. I also think they'd rather avoid putting a 1 and 2 together that played each other in the regular season, but I'm not certain about that one.
It'd take a lot more work to make sure the bracket worked for both teams regardless of where they ended up, and if you shifted them between regions, moving one team could have a domino effect that impact a dozen teams or more. That's why I think they'll end up placed before that game even tips off.
Also, don't forget that Columbus is actually closer (by 17 miles) to Pittsburgh than they are Louisville, don't be surprised to see the Buckeyes playing there.
I've read the argument for the winner of the B1G tourney getting a one seed because all season long the experts have touted the B1G as the top conference in the country, and how do you NOT put the champ of the best conference in a #1 slot? Just passing along what I've read. But to me, you could argue - well, just because they "said" it was the number one conference doesn't mean it was, and that doesn't mean they necessarily couldn't be the top conference without a top four team.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 11, 2012, 11:34:51 AM
It depends...the committee tries to avoid regular season rematches in the first two rounds, and tries to avoid rematches from the past 2 years of the tournament. I also think they'd rather avoid putting a 1 and 2 together that played each other in the regular season, but I'm not certain about that one.
It'd take a lot more work to make sure the bracket worked for both teams regardless of where they ended up, and if you shifted them between regions, moving one team could have a domino effect that impact a dozen teams or more. That's why I think they'll end up placed before that game even tips off.
Also, don't forget that Columbus is actually closer (by 17 miles) to Pittsburgh than they are Louisville, don't be surprised to see the Buckeyes playing there.
Good points. Really, I'm just excited to see the Big Ten only get 6 teams in vs. a possible 10 for the Big East.
Quote from: dwaderoy2004 on March 11, 2012, 11:38:29 AM
Good points. Really, I'm just excited to see the Big Ten only get 6 teams in vs. a possible 10 for the Big East.
Yeah, that's awesome.
Quote from: dwaderoy2004 on March 11, 2012, 11:38:29 AMGood points. Really, I'm just excited to see the Big Ten only get 6 teams in vs. a possible 10 for the Big East.
That's a virtual lock. The 6, not the 10. I think USF and SHU should be in, especially if injuries are factored in because USF would likely have an even better mark had Collins and Poland been available all year. But the Big East will have at least 8 teams in, and no other conference will have more than 6. I feel confident saying that.
One thing in the Big East's favor for 10 bids...Jeff Hathaway is the chairman of the Selection Committee and also chairman of the Big East. Could very well help the league having the strongest voice on the committee.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 11, 2012, 12:02:26 PM
One thing in the Big East's favor for 10 bids...Jeff Hathaway is the chairman of the Selection Committee and also chairman of the Big East. Could very well help the league having the strongest voice on the committee.
Excepthat he has to recuse himself vis-a-vis BE teams due to committee rules.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 11, 2012, 12:02:26 PM
One thing in the Big East's favor for 10 bids...Jeff Hathaway is the chairman of the Selection Committee and also chairman of the Big East. Could very well help the league having the strongest voice on the committee.
Something tells me that USF gets the 9th and Seton Hall is on pins and needles for the 10th.
Quote from: Nukem2 on March 11, 2012, 12:23:59 PMExcepthat he has to recuse himself vis-a-vis BE teams due to committee rules.
Yeah...but do you really think that happens as simply as that? Having league officials on the committee is one of those things that will help a league. He may not be able to champion the cause during debate, but he can do plenty in private conversations. I'm sure there are back-door deals between committee members for votes. "I'll vote for BYU if you vote for USF and SHU", that type of stuff.
One more thing favoring USF...their 12-6 record is 4 games better than UConn, 3 games better than WVU, and 2 games better than Louisville, all of whom are in. I don't think league record should be a deciding factor, but that's awfully impressive.
I think USF is in. They proved their worth over their last 6. They only went 3-3, but the 3 losses were to cuse, wvu and ND, and all were extremely close throughout. Seton hall will be the odd team out if the Big east doesn't get 10, imo.
Quote from: Nukem2 on March 11, 2012, 12:23:59 PM
Excepthat he has to recuse himself vis-a-vis BE teams due to committee rules.
They might have changed the rules this year for Hathaway. Allow him to discuss the BE, but recuse himself from the ACC and Big 12 discussions. ;)