http://www.jsonline.com/sports/goldeneagles/williams-settles-into-directors-chair-at-mu-vt4dgja-141323703.html
While I don't think Buzz would necessarily disagree with the following quote from the article but...
Quote"He's an emotional guy, passionate guy, but if you're going to have long-term success, you have to channel that and control that," the athletic director said. "He was happy as a clam to dance across the court, but he didn't think about offending somebody else.
"But that is his passion and exuberance. He is either going to explode because his tie is on too tight or he's going to offend somebody that is irrevocable."
I think one should not go through life worrying about not offending someone else. Sounds like politically correct BS to me.
As long as Larry understands he is the second most important Williams on campus, he and Buzz will get along fine.
I can't help but feel like this is at least somewhat of a ripple from the Paterno situation. ADs want to show they have control over a coach and not the other way around, even if its not true.
On the changing Big East:
Quote"This isn't pro sports. This isn't the NFL where you have regional conferences and everything else," Williams said. "This is a marrying of academic efforts and athletic efforts and if you stray too far, man, I don't know this is going to be a good end.
"This whole thing is being driven not by the best interests of the student-athlete, but how can we offset their costs or line our pockets," Williams added, fully aware that Marquette is on the outside looking in on the football-centric decisions being made in the Big East.
And it's not just basketball, Williams said. As a member of the Big East, Marquette was competitive with conference teams in other sports.
But now schools are changing and Marquette has to find relationships it never had before.
"Would we have scheduled Houston for a home-and-home for women's soccer? Not a chance in hell," he said.
Not a good quote. MU is too uptight and it might come back to bite them in the ass.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on March 05, 2012, 02:41:06 PM
On the changing Big East:
Along the lines of what he said in Hartford at the UConn pre-game reception.
If this Notre Dame a$$hole messes with Buzz he should be run out of Milwaukee on a rail.
It started before new AD came to town. Might be very interesting 45 days in Milwaukee.
Y'all need to unclench.
Quote from: denverMU on March 05, 2012, 03:16:37 PM
If this Notre Dame a$$hole messes with Buzz he should be run out of Milwaukee on a rail.
Denver, I think you just verbalized what is on many alums' minds. It will take a long time for the domer to earn my trust and this article does nothing to start to move in that direction.
With Buzz, on the other hand, the results speak for themselves and he seems like a genuine, honest human being that buys into the mission of the university.
Not so sure on that Brewtown.
Quote from: Goose on March 05, 2012, 03:24:57 PM
Not so sure on that Brewtown.
O.K. Goose, tell us what you know! What started before the AD arrived and how does it affect our beloved coach?
OK Downtown. Buzz has been under tight observation since last years sexual assualt mess, it caused an AD a job and a new sheriff in town. In addition, revenue from BE changes greatly in upcoming years. All of these points when connected by me = the possibility of us losing a coach.
All that said, I REALLY,REALLY,REALLY HOPE THE MU BRASS IS SMARTER THAN THAT.
Quote from: downtown85 on March 05, 2012, 03:29:23 PM
O.K. Goose, tell us what you know! What started before the AD arrived and how does it affect our beloved coach?
If I were to guess, Buzz wants to continue coaching at a high level. The BE is falling apart. Where MU ends up is going to be huge. If we end up in a second tier situation, my guess is Buzz moves on.
Quote from: Goose on March 05, 2012, 03:35:45 PM
OK Downtown. Buzz has been under tight observation since last years sexual assualt mess, it caused an AD a job and a new sheriff in town. In addition, revenue from BE changes greatly in upcoming years. All of these points when connected by me = the possibility of us losing a coach.
All that said, I REALLY,REALLY,REALLY HOPE THE MU BRASS IS SMARTER THAN THAT.
Y'know what will going a long way towards solving all of those problems? University Advancement getting their phones worn out because Marquette wins their next, say, 7 games. :)
Larry vs. Curly would be quite the showdown.
Buzz has another sexual battery incident happen with the team it may come to fruition.
Quote from: Goose on March 05, 2012, 03:35:45 PM
OK Downtown. Buzz has been under tight observation since last years sexual assualt mess, it caused an AD a job and a new sheriff in town. In addition, revenue from BE changes greatly in upcoming years. All of these points when connected by me = the possibility of us losing a coach.
All that said, I REALLY,REALLY,REALLY HOPE THE MU BRASS IS SMARTER THAN THAT.
I think your observation is probably correct. I have no insight as to what is actually going on behind the scenes but it is logical for the new AD to put the program responsible for the discipline problems on watch, even though the real problem IMO was the university not following procedures. I have been in a situation, more than once in my life, where my boss left or was fired and the new boss took over. It is always uncomfortable for the employee in that situation and sometimes the discomfort causes one to leave. I too, hope the brass is smarter and will do what it takes to make Buzz feel comfortable in the new situation.
Quote from: denverMU on March 05, 2012, 03:16:37 PM
If this Notre Dame a$$hole messes with Buzz he should be run out of Milwaukee on a rail.
Lovely comment... I remember when a pretty famous poster around here had some misgivings about Steve Cottingham because of all things, he went to UW-Madison.
BTW, are Larry's comments wrong? Is Buzz not an emotional coach? Have those emotions clouded his judgement at times here? I would say yes, and I think Buzz would say so too.
I don't see Larry's comments as criticism, more like advice. I've said this before, Buzz is a young head coach and he is still learning on the job. What I find interesting about Buzz is that his greatest learning curve here is not what's happened on the basketball court, it is how the MU job (the pressure & stresses it brings) have directly impacted him.
Similar in vein to what the doctor told Buzz at the Mayo Clinic, in order to survive long-term as a high-major coach, Buzz must manage himself better. That's what I see Larry stating in his comments. That he doesn't want Buzz to put himself in bad situations because let's his emotions (positive or negative) get the best of him.
After the WV game, Buzz was vigorously applying "slaps of five" to Larry. This was clearly a message from Buzz because the AD was on his case about the egregious ignoring of high fives earlier in the season. It's only a matter of time...
Quote from: Brewtown Andy on March 05, 2012, 03:40:37 PMY'know what will going a long way towards solving all of those problems? University Advancement getting their phones worn out because Marquette wins their next, say, 7 games. :)
If you're going to predict a winning streak, why not go all-balls and just hope for 9 in a row? ;)
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on March 05, 2012, 03:53:47 PM
After the WV game, Buzz was vigorously applying "slaps of five" to Larry. This was clearly a message from Buzz because the AD was on his case about the egregious ignoring of high fives earlier in the season. It's only a matter of time...
Larry is really Ners.
Quote from: RJax55 on March 05, 2012, 03:50:15 PM
Lovely comment... I remember when a pretty famous poster around here had some misgivings about Steve Cottingham because of all things, he went to UW-Madison.
BTW, are Larry's comments wrong? Is Buzz not an emotional coach? Have those emotions clouded his judgement at times here? I would say yes, and I think Buzz would say so too.
I don't see Larry's comments as criticism, more like advice. I've said this before, Buzz is a young head coach and he is still learning on the job. What I find interesting about Buzz is that his greatest learning curve here is not what's happened on the basketball court, it is how the MU job (the pressure & stresses it brings) have directly impacted him.
Similar in vein to what the doctor told Buzz at the Mayo Clinic, in order to survive long-term as a high-major coach, Buzz must manage himself better. That's what I see Larry stating in his comments. That he doesn't want Buzz to put himself in bad situations because let's his emotions (positive or negative) get the best of him.
I hope you are right but another quote in the article by Larry worries me:
Quote"I expect Buzz back. Want him back," Williams said. "I think we started something good with him. . . . I'd be excited to help him grow as a coach."
Why couldn't he just say something like, "Buzz is our coach, period. He has done a helluva job at building the basketball program we want him to continue long into the future."
Buzz seems to be down-to-earth and not into parsing words and or saying things with shades of meaning. He is very direct. Larry seems to be the opposite. He seems to be very politically correct (although his words regarding scheduling Houston for women's soccer seemed to be pretty direct but that may be because he came from Portland which apparently is a power in women's soccer and that is something he knows a lot about).
This all being said, I watched Larry Williams on Dennis Krause's show a few weeks back and he said the right things regarding Buzz. I too, hope those two see eye-to-eye and develop a healthy working relationship. Like Goose says, it should be an interesting 45 days as the coaching carousel starts to spin. I hope Buzz remains an observer and doesn't get on the carousel.
Quote from: downtown85 on March 05, 2012, 04:10:12 PM
I hope you are right but another quote in the article by Larry worries me:
Why couldn't he just say something like, "Buzz is our coach, period. He has done a helluva job at building the basketball program we want him to continue long into the future."
I saw those comments Downtown and thought they were a little weird. He definitely could have phased it better, but his quotes were not negative in nature.
Quote from: RJax55 on March 05, 2012, 04:15:05 PM
I saw those comments Downtown and thought they were a little weird. He definitely could have phased it better, but his quotes were not negative in nature.
The quotes were either 1) weird enough to have some sort of subtle meaning suggesting some sort of uncertainty as to whether Buzz will be back and that there may be some differences between Larry and Buzz OR 2) Larry gave a horrible interview and didn't mean it to come out that way.
If it is 1) I am worried, very worried. If it is 2) I am worried at the lack of PR skills of our new AD. However I am less worried with 2) than with 1).
If MU does not want Buzz back they are completely out of their minds. I always laugh when fellow alums or MU brass think we are Harvard, Duke or Northwestern. We are a good regional school that benefits a great deal from the basketball team's success. Anyone that thinks MU is where it is today with basketball is crazy.
Obviously a different school than when Al was here but they hated basketball back then. My guy tells me something is wrong and hope I am wrong.
Goose - "my gut" or "my guy"?
Gut....my apologies.
Seriously Goose, stop freaking me out - they spent all that money on him last year only to throw it all away? They're not insane.
I've yet to meet anybody who went to Notre Dame that I like and I'm completely serious. Maybe this guy will turn out great. Maybe not.
To quote the great Al McGuire, "A Notre Dame grad will pick his nose to show you his class ring." This guy sounds like the proverbial ND grad who knows everything and thinks his $hit doesn't stink. If you ask me his over the top celebration after the WV win was too much. Maybe he should worry about his over enthusiastic celebration being unbecoming of a Big East AD.
I read all your comments first then read the article, and I have to say, you guys are freaking out WAYYYYY TOOO MUCHHHHHH about this.
Did you consider this excerpt:
In the Big East, Marquette is second only to Notre Dame in terms of spending on recruiting for men's sports. According to the Department of Education, Marquette spent $1,289,650 in 2010-'11, compared to $1,612,608 by Notre Dame.
Williams said he could not speak to the comparison with other Big East schools but doesn't necessarily see the high costs as a negative. "Here, there is a huge commitment to attract from coast to coast the best possible student athletes," he said.
It means he's committed to spending on men's sports at a high level, which is GOOD for Marquette MEN's basketball.
I have a admit that his comments about Buzz where strange, but this could have been an hour long interview and maybe they talked about tons of other stuff, but he mentioned Buzz's dance and that's the quote that made it through... obviously regrettable, but don't think they are dumb enough to run Buzz out of town for an alleged sexual assault that is firmly in the rear-view mirror.
So here are my asks for those reading this thread:
1. Give the administration more credit.
2. Stop freaking out
3. Enjoy the ride here... it could be a long time before it happens again!
I don't know Williams or what he will do--that would be absurd to predict. But I have to admit that my first exposure to him this past weekend was not positive. Ego seems to be a huge issue. I don't want to put all domers in this category, but if the shoe fits...
When he and Father Pilarz were introduced for the Senior Day festivities (the announcer quite obviously lead with Father Pilarz) Williams had a 20 pace lead on his boss headed to center court, was beaming broadly for the masses and the clicking cameras/videos, and only realized as he got close, that it might be a little smarter to wait for the President of the University and have him take center stage before the AD. The guy's smarmy self was everywhere and l wondered out loud to my wife--"Who is this dope hogging the spotlight?" Oh, that's our new AD. Not impressed.
No AD at MU since Eddie Hickey was the bball coach has thought himself bigger than the school's basketball coach--whether that is the right approach or not. This guy looks to be forging a name for himself. His comments, his actions, his carriage (under just my observation) suggest he wants all to know he's the new Sheriff in town. If I can see and sense that--I'm sure a smart guy like Buzz can too. And I wouldn't underestimate the "Texas two-stepper" ever. Buzz is smart and shrewd with his eyes wide open.
And oh, yeah...he appears to be genuinely humble. Humility is the most appealing characteristic in man. But they don't seem to teach that at ND.
Quote from: downtown85 on March 05, 2012, 04:10:12 PM
I hope you are right but another quote in the article by Larry worries me:
Why couldn't he just say something like, "Buzz is our coach, period. He has done a helluva job at building the basketball program we want him to continue long into the future."
We do not know the context of the response in question. They were in relation to a question. What was the question? That is material and missing. It could have easily have been "Last year Buzz was mentioned with several job openings. After the results from this year, are you concerned that Buzz will get even more interest?"
That would greatly change the reading of the comment, no?
Quote from: denverMU on March 05, 2012, 03:16:37 PM
If this Notre Dame a$$hole messes with Buzz he should be run out of Milwaukee on a rail.
Isn't Using Notre Dame and a$$h0le in the same sentence kinda of redundant?
All you cats gotta keep rememberin' is Larry didn't hire Buzz.
With a new President and a new AD - neither of whom hired Buzz - there has to be some learning period and evaluation period. This article has some positives and negatives and without doubt, the focus is on running a clean program focused on student developement of athletes - they are, indeed, athletes second.
Buzz has been very good for Marquette - for basketball and for the university, and has ortrayed a gret image for Marquette. He danced after a victory - not in their face - to be happy with a huge win. I think we all need to let that go. But scrutiny is the word now - everything move and word is being looked at I am sure.
Go Buzz and Go Marquette! A great match . . .
I think that Fr. Pilarz will have much to do in any of these decisions. He seems rather hands on.
Quote from: Goose on March 05, 2012, 05:21:54 PM
Gut....my apologies.
I'm relieved. I thought you had an inside source.
The problem is what is the bar set for student athletes. If MU wants to copy the ND model you can kiss the program goodbye. We never would have had the juco kids and ability to recruit lower lever students is gone.
Again I still believe that alums and some BOt/admin think we are ND. Not looking to fight over academic status here just pointing out we are dealt a different hand than Duke and ND.
I will go to be death bed believing that basketball makes the school better. I would rather we focus on basketball players than students in regards to the program. Many of kids have come through the program as marginal kids and did very well.
Over the years I have always stated the same thing, whatever direction the school wants it's identity to be I support it. But, not for a second can you not know what your identity is and be successful. Not sure what is wrong with putting an entertaining program on the floor. Being in the NCAA is the best advertising the school can have. They get paid to showcase the university.
This fan hopes that the politically correct crowd loses on the school's ultimate identity.
Quote from: Goose on March 06, 2012, 07:56:12 AM
The problem is what is the bar set for student athletes. If MU wants to copy the ND model you can kiss the program goodbye. We never would have had the juco kids and ability to recruit lower lever students is gone.
Again I still believe that alums and some BOt/admin think we are ND. Not looking to fight over academic status here just pointing out we are dealt a different hand than Duke and ND.
I will go to be death bed believing that basketball makes the school better. I would rather we focus on basketball players than students in regards to the program. Many of kids have come through the program as marginal kids and did very well.
Over the years I have always stated the same thing, whatever direction the school wants it's identity to be I support it. But, not for a second can you not know what your identity is and be successful. Not sure what is wrong with putting an entertaining program on the floor. Being in the NCAA is the best advertising the school can have. They get paid to showcase the university.
This fan hopes that the politically correct crowd loses on the school's ultimate identity.
I call BS. So yeah, maybe SOME alums and some BOTs want us to have higher standards. But the rest? They know we aren't ND, and shouldn't pretend to be. If anything we should be looking at Georgetown and Syracuse, two programs that have had their share of embarrassing problems, but have continued their commitment to their basketball programs, and coaches.
These school officials care about one thing most - alumni donations. And they know if the team and program goes downhill, so will donations.
Ask Al, Rick, KO and Tom Crean if they think the school understands the importance of basketball. This has been a battle for decades with the identity and that is why guys always leave. That Al was built because alums made it happen and all of our good hires were because alums made it happen. The school has the ultimate power and they know it.
All you need is several key people to not understand and the problem begins. For 35 years we have been chasing programs and we are close to being a program being chased. Never underestimate the politically correct crowd. Too often the vocal minority make the decisions.
The ND bashing in this thread is rather ridiculous. So what if Larry Williams graduated from Notre Dame....he was a football player and if I recall correctly Marquette shut their football program down in 1962. I get that ND is a rival, but to claim all of the new AD's character faults arise from his having attended ND is juvenile.
And to all on this thread who claim they have never met a ND grad they like or who isn't a jerk, you need to expand your circle of friends. My father, an ND grad, is the nicest, humblest guy you will ever meet - I can only aspire to be half the man he is. And he sent three kids to Marquette.
Let's judge Larry Williams by his actions as Athletic Director, not what college he attended.
I actually am praising ND. I wish we had a building with famous alum for every facet of college life like ND. If we want to be considered in the likes of ND and Georgetown we need basketball. I hope that every extra dollar brought in by basketball was spent to hire the top ND and Georgetown Dean's and prof's. Everyone in Wisconsin has seen what extra sport revenues has done for UW.
Basketball makes MU a better place. I do not need a basketball team of 3.5 gpa's. The scholarship is two way street and the smart school's get it. This alum would love to see our school become ND and have a core of alums with deep pockets.
Buzz seems to be extremely happy here right now.
The one thing that concerns me is that Buzz was hired by Cottingham under Fr. Wild. Both of those guys are now gone. While the new bosses may be great guys and completely competent, I worry that they may not see eye to eye with Buzz on everything like the men who hired him did. Over time, this may affect his level of happiness.
I really really hope that is not the case and Buzz's bosses stay out of his way. Buzz is really building something special here.
What worries me is the breakup of the BE and the assualt issue from last year coupled with new President and AD. In addition, the Penn State scandal, the Syracuse scandal makes universities cringe. I respect MU's desire to be a clean program but that also scares me. There are times when the politically correct overpower the right decision to be made.
Quote from: Norm on March 06, 2012, 08:16:28 AM
The ND bashing in this thread is rather ridiculous. So what if Larry Williams graduated from Notre Dame....he was a football player and if I recall correctly Marquette shut their football program down in 1962. I get that ND is a rival, but to claim all of the new AD's character faults arise from his having attended ND is juvenile.
And to all on this thread who claim they have never met a ND grad they like or who isn't a jerk, you need to expand your circle of friends. My father, an ND grad, is the nicest, humblest guy you will ever meet - I can only aspire to be half the man he is. And he sent three kids to Marquette.
Let's judge Larry Williams by his actions as Athletic Director, not what college he attended.
+1, Norm.
Let's stop all the rumors and overreactions. Larry Williams is nothing more than a Notre Dame grad who's out to destroy all of Marquette's athletic programs while at the same time ruining all of his credibility as an AD. That was obvious from Day 1.
Quote from: Norm on March 06, 2012, 08:16:28 AM
The ND bashing in this thread is rather ridiculous. So what if Larry Williams graduated from Notre Dame....he was a football player and if I recall correctly Marquette shut their football program down in 1962. I get that ND is a rival, but to claim all of the new AD's character faults arise from his having attended ND is juvenile.
And to all on this thread who claim they have never met a ND grad they like or who isn't a jerk, you need to expand your circle of friends. My father, an ND grad, is the nicest, humblest guy you will ever meet - I can only aspire to be half the man he is. And he sent three kids to Marquette.
Norm,
Lighten up....I mean that respectfully. I appreciate your position based on family history.
I grew up in South Bend. Went to almost every home football, basketball and hockey game growing up. Back in the 60's and 70's, it was actually more of a middle class/working class school. Knew lots of the faculty and many students. Heck, I was even baptised in Sacred Heart.
The school has changed. In my opinion, based on my experiences, ND alum are a lot more arrogant than they were back in the day. You are weclome to disagree with me based on your experience. The reason why ND gets so much crap on this board is because they are a long standing rival (just like DePaul), but also bring a touch of arrogance that results in the giggging they get from our fans. AL said it best, an ND grad will pick his nose just to show you his class ring. Also, let me know if you want any details on Digger's reputation while he was a resident of SouthBend
Besides, its just plain fun to pick on the Golden Domers.
Norm...all the best.
ND sucks. Did I mention, ND sucks? ;D
Quote from: Goose on March 06, 2012, 08:12:49 AM
Ask Al, Rick, KO and Tom Crean if they think the school understands the importance of basketball. This has been a battle for decades with the identity and that is why guys always leave. That Al was built because alums made it happen and all of our good hires were because alums made it happen. The school has the ultimate power and they know it.
All you need is several key people to not understand and the problem begins. For 35 years we have been chasing programs and we are close to being a program being chased. Never underestimate the politically correct crowd. Too often the vocal minority make the decisions.
The Al was also built because Fr Wild was a major supporter. You are way off here. The importance of Basketball is well understood within the university. All you need to do is mention Fr. Al D, who almost singlehandedly tanked the University.
79 Warrior
Fair you think I am way off on The Al. Being a supporter and getting things done are two different things. Former players and a group of alums made it happen.
Only on this board can you have individuals simultaneously panicking that Buzz is going to be in extremely high demand from other institutions and that our board of trustees is so insanely stupid that they are going to run Buzz out of town.
Just for fun, I'll try to summarize the more coherent and cogent thoughts in this thread:
(1) We all want to keep Buzz.
(2) The most recent past and current University administrations did and have done a good job of protecting and supporting the University's golden goose, Men's Basketball.
(3) Recently (and perhaps historically), some alums also have done an admirable job supporting the University and, specifically, its Men's basketball team.
(4) Some folks are (irrationally) suspicious of Larry because of his undergrad alma mater.
(5) Some folks are (justifiably) concerned that Marquette may find itself in an unfortunate position if the Big East implodes.
I don't find any of this particularly controversial.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on March 06, 2012, 09:00:05 AM
Let's stop all the rumors and overreactions. Larry Williams is nothing more than a Notre Dame grad who's out to destroy all of Marquette's athletic programs while at the same time ruining all of his credibility as an AD. That was obvious from Day 1.
Larry Williams = Manchurian candidate.
The issue is: we finally have a great Coach, who loves MU, is a great representative of the values of MU, has a very solid faith based attitude, graduates his student athletes, holds his players accountable, recruits great student athletes and wins. Our new AD, who happens to be a graduate of a dubious institution in South Bend Indiana, has a chance to speak positively about him and reassure all MU fans he will do everything to keep said Coach at MU but instead makes a couple of of not so nice things and makes a comment about having Buzz signed to a long term contract. As if Buzz will have no other option at the end of this basketball season.
I will give LW the benefit of the doubt, same as I did for Buzz in April '08.
Father Pillarz could not hire anyone who did not understand that Basketball Coach was way down the list of concerns. Could he?
Am I the only one who thinks that Larry used different words but said a lot of the same things that Buzz has been saying for the last few years?
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on March 06, 2012, 10:43:52 AM
Am I the only one who thinks that Larry used different words but said a lot of the same things that Buzz has been saying for the last few years?
Nope.
Mountain being made from a molehill here.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 06, 2012, 10:53:44 AM
Nope.
Mountain being made from a molehill here.
It's quite obvious Walker completely took quotes from LW out of context to paint MU in the most negative light possible.
Quote from: Goose on March 06, 2012, 09:30:29 AM
79 Warrior
Fair you think I am way off on The Al. Being a supporter and getting things done are two different things. Former players and a group of alums made it happen.
Goose, I agree. but it starts at the top. If Bob Wild did not support it, it would never have gotten off the ground. All I am saying is the University brass gets it.
79Warriors
It was not a hard sell to Wild to get a free building. I would strongly argue they never have gotten it...but that is just my opinion. Been around here quite a long time and stand behind my comments. Plenty of coaches have come and gone due to issues with the higher brass.
Quote from: Goose on March 06, 2012, 12:10:51 PM
79Warriors
It was not a hard sell to Wild to get a free building. I would strongly argue they never have gotten it...but that is just my opinion. Been around here quite a long time and stand behind my comments. Plenty of coaches have come and gone due to issues with the higher brass.
Goose, you're living in the past. The last one was KO and that was 1994. Deane was forced out by administration and Crean left on his own accord.
If anything, the administration bend over backwards to keep TC here.
The Jesuits have to tread the tightrope of education and high level college athletics. I think more recent generations have understood the relationship better than previous generations. Remember MU turned down an invitation to be part of the original Big East because they thought it would be easier to make the tourney as an independent. A wee bit off in that forecast. They also went through a generation that thought (A) the facilities were good enough for Al, they should be good enough for anybody and (B) giving up the Warrior nickname wouldn't have repercussions. The powers that be now realize that basketball is an integral part of Marquette. For the last decade, they have done and spent what it takes to be a big-time player, because they know what a successful, hi-profile team does for the image of the educational institution. I firmly believe that Pilarz (G-town alum) and Larry Williams (ND alum) see it. I look at this article as a small thing that, if anything, shows that AD Williams is also a work in progress.
RJax
Do you think TC has same limitations of recruiting at IU that he had at MU? MU's definition of student athlete is different than most schools. TC had the same gripe as KO and Rick.
Quote from: Goose on March 06, 2012, 12:19:32 PM
RJax
Do you think TC has same limitations of recruiting at IU that he had at MU? MU's definition of student athlete is different than most schools. TC had the same gripe as KO and Rick.
What would TC complain about? During his time, MU allowed him to bring in JUCOs and a Prop 48. Seems to me that he had the administration's full support to bring in student athletes that TC thought would be successful here.
I understand KO and Rick's complains, but again, that was long ago and things have changed.
Other than dirty recruiting (which I would not support, and hope other MU fan wouldn't either) how has MU's administration limited both TC and Buzz in who they recruit?
Furthermore, I don't see TC bringing in kids at IU that the MU administration would have turned away.
pretty sure one of the things Chicos was adamant about was that Crean was placed under MORE restrictions at IU, as the administration wanted to exorcise the demons of Davis and Sampson that resulted in lots of recreational pharmaceuticals and failing grades. Crean wasn't permitted to bring in JUCO's like Buzz was. You don't remember these things? Buzz sustained success through JUCo's, Crean had to start from scratch. Check your gut again, Goose.
Obviously I am not Chico's. I thought Chico's was off his rocker when he said IU would be tougher.
I have always been of the opinion that starting from scratch with restrictions is tougher in the short term, but recruiting to IU is easier in the long term. All Crean has to do is close down the borders and occasionally score a national recruit and he can be successful.....if he ever learns to make an in-game adjustment.
Well LArry Williams is from ND, so like every other person that has been associated with that cesspool of arrogance....just sayin
Dudes been here two months and Scoopers are already throwing him under the bus based on a few quotes that could have been taken out of context.
What a nice, supportive group we have here....
"...the politically correct overpower the right decision to be made."
I'm not sure why "political correctness" (whatever that means) is a negative aspect in the hiring/retaining of a basketball coach. It seem to me that MU leadership has embraced a basketball coach who embodies the notion of political correctness, that is, a person, himself from humble origins who actively seeks out those student athletes whose earlier lives have not benefited from from what our society has to offer. Actually, the activities of Buzz Williams dovetail perfectly with Marquette's mission, whether it be as a pioneer in the admission of women to a university education or the current and continuing aim of providing social/educational opportunities to many of Milwaukee and Chicago's disadvantaged students.
MU and BW - a "marriage" made in heaven!
Quote from: denverMU on March 06, 2012, 10:32:44 AM
The issue is: we finally have a great Coach, who loves MU, is a great representative of the values of MU, has a very solid faith based attitude, graduates his student athletes, holds his players accountable, recruits great student athletes and wins. Our new AD, who happens to be a graduate of a dubious institution in South Bend Indiana, has a chance to speak positively about him and reassure all MU fans he will do everything to keep said Coach at MU but instead makes a couple of of not so nice things and makes a comment about having Buzz signed to a long term contract. As if Buzz will have no other option at the end of this basketball season.
This is crazy talk. You don't know what context his remarks were made. You are way over your skis on this one.
One man does not make Marquette. MU has had many great coaches. They all leave at one point or another. Buzz has said he wants to stay, but if he does leave then Marquette will hire another coach.
Some of the comments in this thread are ignoring that Buzz and the program are a bit under the microscope this year. The incidents of last year cost two people their jobs, brought some bad publicity to the school. Not everyone cares about basketball or athletics at the university. First and foremost, it's a university of higher education, not there to produce basketball players or delight sports fans. It happens to do the latter, but that is not the core mission. As a result, there is some scrutiny. As super fans here on this board, we excuse these things like they didn't happen or had little impact. Other members of the university see it through an entirely different prism, whether they are right or wrong isn't the point because that's how they view it.
These anti-Notre Dame comments are reflecting very well on the Marquette graduates here. Very well. What's next, ripping on Dwyane Wade for wearing shorts from another school? ::)
Quote from: Hoopaloop on March 06, 2012, 03:15:11 PM
These anti-Notre Dame comments are reflecting very well on the Marquette graduates here. Very well. What's next, ripping on Dwyane Wade for wearing shorts from another school? ::)
Ripping on ND is part of the Marquette experience as far as I am concerned.
Quote from: downtown85 on March 06, 2012, 03:33:27 PM
Ripping on ND is part of the Marquette experience as far as I am concerned.
Agreed.
Do we take it too far sometimes....maybe. But who cares. ;D
Quote from: downtown85 on March 06, 2012, 03:33:27 PM
Ripping on ND is part of the Marquette experience as far as I am concerned.
Should be a 1 credit class in fact.
Let's do a little work with one of William's quotes...
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"But that is his passion and exuberance. He is either going to explode because his tie is on too tight or he's going to offend somebody that is irrevocable." Like I just did.
...there, FIXED!
Quote from: Z F-B on March 06, 2012, 05:12:40 PM
Should be a 1 credit class in fact.
...required for graduation. (And for all new athletic department personnel) ::)
Quote from: downtown85 on March 06, 2012, 03:33:27 PM
Ripping on ND is part of the Marquette experience as far as I am concerned.
I'm well aware of it. That story the other day about Big East fans compared to the Simpsons. I guess the ones that I hang out with are akin to the article, the nice, Ned Flanders type. The ones that respect the game, respect the opponent, don't take dumps on former players that transfer or coaches that leave.
Others choose a different path. I prefer not to if I can help it.
Quote from: real chili 83 on March 06, 2012, 09:15:53 AM
Norm,
Lighten up....I mean that respectfully. I appreciate your position based on family history.
I grew up in South Bend. Went to almost every home football, basketball and hockey game growing up. Back in the 60's and 70's, it was actually more of a middle class/working class school. Knew lots of the faculty and many students. Heck, I was even baptised in Sacred Heart.
The school has changed. In my opinion, based on my experiences, ND alum are a lot more arrogant than they were back in the day. You are weclome to disagree with me based on your experience. The reason why ND gets so much crap on this board is because they are a long standing rival (just like DePaul), but also bring a touch of arrogance that results in the giggging they get from our fans. AL said it best, an ND grad will pick his nose just to show you his class ring. Also, let me know if you want any details on Digger's reputation while he was a resident of SouthBend
Besides, its just plain fun to pick on the Golden Domers.
Norm...all the best.
ND sucks. Did I mention, ND sucks? ;D
real chili 83,
I get what you're saying. ND did used to be more middle class back in the 60's and 70's, but my guess is the same thing can be said about MU, since the tuition at both schools nowadays has priced middle-to-lower middle class kids out unless they get a large scholarship.
I have no problem with people ragging on ND since they are a rival. Digger, Tripuka, Ellis, Gody, Cooley, players and coaches - all fair game. Heck, I never root for them in basketball. I jut get tired of all the people on MUScoop who constantly claim that everyone they know from ND is an arrogant a-hole, that nobody from ND is has any humility, etc... It just gets old to me after awhile.
You're in a room with 500 people.
How do you know which one is the Notre Dame grad?
Wait 5 minutes.
He'll come up and tell you. ;)