Would TJ Taylor come in to MU as a Sophomore or Junior?
Also, I checked out his stats and how his JC play compares to other JC players Buzz has brought in (their last year in JC):
Taylor: 22 games, 113/240 FGs (.471), 42/120 3Ps (.350), 44/64 FTs (.688), 312 points, 14.2 avg (season not complete)
DJO: 32 games, 216/451 FGs (.479), 69/178 3Ps (.388), 191/248 FTs (.770), 692 points, 21.6 avg
Crowder: 33 games, 215/465 FGs (.462), 54/149 3Ps (.362), 140/185 FTs (.757), 624 points, 18.9 avg
Butler: 29 games, 177/323 FGs (.548), 19/45 3Ps (.422), 154/216 FTs (.713), 527 points, 18.2 avg
Buycks: 33 games, 199/392 FGs (.508), 39/97 3Ps (.402), 139/176 FTs (.790), 576 points, 17.5 avg
I think I'd be happy if he could average around 10-12 ppg next year as he acclimates himself to D1 basketball.
He'll be a sophomore next year with 3 years of eligibility.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 27, 2012, 12:06:42 PM
He'll be a sophomore next year with 3 years of eligibility.
Cool. SO the semester he was enrolled at Oklahoma doesn't count toward his eligibility? Did he ever see the court for OU? I guess not if he can still be classified as a sophomore when he arrives at MU.
Glad he'll be around for 3 years. Would love for him to develop under Buzz like Butler and DJO did in their 3 years.
Nope, he never suited up for them. From what I understand, he will, however, have to complete his eligibility in 3 years (so no additional redshirt years) because the clock started ticking to complete 4 years of eligibility in 5 calendar years when he got to OU.
Shouldn't be a problem, however, I think Taylor will be getting meaningful minutes from day one.
Quote from: Norm on February 27, 2012, 12:06:01 PM
I think I'd be happy if he could average around 10-12 ppg next year as he acclimates himself to D1 basketball.
You think you'd be happy? I'd be thrilled if he averaged double digits.
Quote from: dwaderoy2004 on February 27, 2012, 12:12:48 PM
You think you'd be happy? I'd be thrilled if he averaged double digits.
Guess we're a little spoiled with DJO's and Crowder's instant offense contributions for MU. OK, I'll settle for 8 a game. =)
we have been spoiled....
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 27, 2012, 12:11:46 PM
Nope, he never suited up for them. From what I understand, he will, however, have to complete his eligibility in 3 years (so no additional redshirt years) because the clock started ticking to complete 4 years of eligibility in 5 calendar years when he got to OU.
Shouldn't be a problem, however, I think Taylor will be getting meaningful minutes from day one.
Better playing real games your redshirt year than practicing with the team here.
IIRC, If he came here right away he'd have to complete the full year of sitting out due to transfer rules so he would have been eligible after the first semester. And since he used his redshirt year sitting out at Oklahoma last year, he would not have been eligible for a redshirt here, so whether he managed to earn minutes this year or not he was going to be a sophomore next year. Aside from last game, not sure where we really got in a pinch this year where he would have been needed. Probably better for him to get regular minutes playing every game than being near the end of the bench.
I didn't realize that Taylor was a mid-year transfer until reading your post chapman, but isn't the only way he could have been eligible the second half of this year was if he enrolled at MU in January 2011? He didn't decide to come here until May, so essentially his choices were to play at Paris, or sit all year here. Am I right about this?
Would like to see better shooting numbers, but looking at highlights of him - he will certainly have a Big East ready body.
Is he a legitimate 6'4" and 215 lbs.?I see he was ranked in the top 50 coming out of Texas in 2010.
One thing when you look at his numbers -- he is still working in the top game shape after a serious setback at OU. TJ's numbers in high school should tell you more than his number at Paris CC. FYI, he will be a tough match up for smaller guard and he can play the 1 through 3 positions. Marquette will be able to put some big guards out there next season.
Are there any highlights out there of him from this year? The only ones I can seem to find are from his SR year of HS, which at this point was quite awhile ago.
any chance he can play the point?
I see both Vander and Taylor playing the point in 2 years as Dwilson will really have to improve by then to start at the point. Obviously, the recruitment on Kendrick Nunn has to come into play as he seems to be an MU lean, so somebody has to go unfortunately. I never like to see this but they are 1 year scholarships instead of 4 so Buzz can advise somebody after next year that it is not working out here. Oh well, times have change and to me not to the better. Secondly, did this blog show up OK on your blog?
Quote from: dwaderoy2004 on February 27, 2012, 12:22:07 PM
we have been spoiled....
Just how spoiled have we been? Where do Crowder, DJO and Butler rank among the best junior college transfers of all time?
Jerome Whiteheda and Lloyd Walton quickly come to mind.
Don't leave Sam the Sham outta the mix
Wow, that's lots of good players.
MU has quite a history as JUCO-transfer nirvana!
My Top 10 JUCO transfers of all time at Marquette:
Ric Cobb
Bob Lackey
Lloyd Walton
Jerome Whitehead
Sam Worthen
Bennie Moore
Jimmy Butler
Darius Johnson-Odom
Jae Crowder
Dwight Buycks
Honorable Mention:
Artie Green
Robert Hall
Kevin Johnson
Tyrone Baldwin
Marcus Jackson
Joe Fulce
Getting back to T.J. Taylor. I think him having spent a semester at Oklahoma will give him an advantage other junior college transfers usually don't have and although his production scoring wise doesn't match some other recent JUCO transfers at Marquette, he's helped Paris to the top position in their conference and they are doing it while losing their big guy recently, a Seton Hall signee, to a season suspension for having been thrown out of two games. T.J. seems to contribute with assists, rebounds and steals and he'll help MU next year.
Quote from: chapman on February 27, 2012, 01:04:14 PM
IIRC, If he came here right away he'd have to complete the full year of sitting out due to transfer rules so he would have been eligible after the first semester. And since he used his redshirt year sitting out at Oklahoma last year, he would not have been eligible for a redshirt here, so whether he managed to earn minutes this year or not he was going to be a sophomore next year. Aside from last game, not sure where we really got in a pinch this year where he would have been needed. Probably better for him to get regular minutes playing every game than being near the end of the bench.
I believe that he spent only the first semester at Oklahoma, the second semester at Paris CC, but did not play.
Quote from: Norm on February 27, 2012, 12:18:20 PM
Guess we're a little spoiled with DJO's and Crowder's instant offense contributions for MU. OK, I'll settle for 8 a game. =)
TJ will also have to deal with a factor that DJO did not face. Mr. Taylor meet Mr. Mayo.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on February 27, 2012, 01:43:39 PM
I didn't realize that Taylor was a mid-year transfer until reading your post chapman, but isn't the only way he could have been eligible the second half of this year was if he enrolled at MU in January 2011? He didn't decide to come here until May, so essentially his choices were to play at Paris, or sit all year here. Am I right about this?
I don't know for certain, but it seems to me that TJ could have played second semester for MU this year since he would have been transferring from a JUCO he had attended for an entire year. That would be consistent with Jarnell Stokes enrolling at Tennessee for the second semester and being eligible. However, I bet TJ would have burned his second year of eligibility if he did so.
But Stokes was coming right out of high school...not a transfer.
See, after thinking about this, I don't think Taylor could have played here at all this year. I mean when Maymon and Smith transferred from MU, there was this rush to get them enrolled in January. I doubt they could have sat at home for the spring semester, enrolled in the fall, and then began playing the next spring.
Quote from: bilsu on February 27, 2012, 06:22:11 PM
Jerome Whiteheda and Lloyd Walton quickly come to mind.
Don't forget Bob Lackey
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on February 28, 2012, 08:11:38 AM
But Stokes was coming right out of high school...not a transfer.
See, after thinking about this, I don't think Taylor could have played here at all this year. I mean when Maymon and Smith transferred from MU, there was this rush to get them enrolled in January. I doubt they could have sat at home for the spring semester, enrolled in the fall, and then began playing the next spring.
Maymon and Smith were going from one Division I school to another. The difference is that TJ is
not a transfer from Oklahoma, he would have been coming from a JUCO where he had been for a year. In that situation,
I think that he would be treated like any student who is moving up to Division I from JUCO or HS. Remember the year of eligibility he'll have used up before he gets here will all have been from Paris CC, so he used no eligibility at Oklahoma.
The other question is even if TJ were willing to play for MU this year, would Buzz have wanted him on a team that already had DJO, Vander, Todd, and Jamail. I think that Buzz would have rather have waited and had TJ with 3 years of eligibility to go. Also, it would be unrealistic to expect Paris to want to let him play for only the first semester. Plus, I bet that after having a year off from competitive basketball, TJ wanted a year of JUCO ball to get his game back together.
But, the only thing I'm positive about, is that we have a potential final exam question here for a course on NCAA compliance.
Some more of TJ's JUCO stats: 2.9 assists, 1.25 steals, and 1.8 T/O's. Not a great T/O to assist ratio.