...by the seniors.
I think it would be pretty cool if Buzz let the players decide what his punishment should be for his lapse of judgment last night. That way the players see no one is above the teams reputation and gets rid of any feelings of unfairness of MU being over strict on just players. Probably would generate some really good PR to see Buzz running sprints after practice with Crowder screaming at him, Buzz waking up early to do an extra community service event, or some creative punishment.
Lapse of judgement???? That dance was amazing! I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!!!!!!
I concur Buzz' behavior was appalling....the horror of watching him enjoy a hard fought victory was more than anyone should be subjected to......
Punishment: I would not allow Buzz to coach his team during the first two rounds of the Big East Tournament. Practice coaching would be acceptable but no 'court' appearances
What are you talking about? If Buzz had done something to intentionally show up their coach, team or fans, you may have some basis for you statements. His being happy about winning a game is no reason for him to be disciplined.
Good grief, who cares. Buzz was elated after a great win under tough circumstances. Grow up.
Sarcasm. Catch the fever.
Punish him by sending him to Dancing With The Stars.
Not being able to recruit, study film, be in the gym with the kids will drive him NUTS!
I loved the dance, but it was pretty apparent he shouldn't have done it. I don't hold it against Buzz at all, but I do think it would be cool for him to show to his players that he makes mistakes and everyone has to live up to their actions no matter how small.
ETA: I don't think he deserves to be punished by the University or anything, just something he could do to connect with his players.
Buzz's dance reminds me of this-
"I propose now closing up by requesting you play a certain piece of music or a tune. I thought "Dixie" one of the best tunes I ever heard... I had heard our adversaries over the way had attempted to appropriate it. I insisted yesterday that we had fairly captured it... I presented the question to the Attorney-General, and he gave his opinion that it is our lawful prize... I ask the Band to give us a good turn upon it. " - Abraham Lincoln after the end of the Civil War
Try to be objective people, it was very unprofessional and buzz admitted so in the postgame interview. I love buzz but it was pretty bad, you don't do that.
If he danced against Georgetown, or Nova, or St Johns, I would be more critical.
But, WV is bailing on the Big East, so F-them. Let them cry all they want.
It wasn't a premeditated act. He's an emotional guy who got caught up. Not a big deal.
I think a Final Four run would be fun... Let's have them do whatever results in one of those.
Quote from: esotericmindguy on February 25, 2012, 10:57:01 AM
Try to be objective people, it was very unprofessional and buzz admitted so in the postgame interview. I love buzz but it was pretty bad, you don't do that.
Yeah....next thing you know he'll be jumping up on the scorer's table and throw his arms up in the air in a Victory salute.....
We certainly can't have THAT !!!!
He should be fired
Quote from: martyconlonontherun on February 25, 2012, 10:00:59 AM
...by the seniors.
I think it would be pretty cool if Buzz let the players decide what his punishment should be for his lapse of judgment last night. That way the players see no one is above the teams reputation and gets rid of any feelings of unfairness of MU being over strict on just players. Probably would generate some really good PR to see Buzz running sprints after practice with Crowder screaming at him, Buzz waking up early to do an extra community service event, or some creative punishment.
Why, did he break a team rule or somethin'?
Hope he dances for next six weeks. I loved it. Have waited for a team like this for a long time. They are fun and entertaining. Enjoy the run because this is special.
All this PC crap is just that, crap. Why the hell should he apologize for being happy after a great win. If that were Al, Raftery would'nt of gotten hit in the head with a pillow; instead he would have to stop Al from belting that kid in the chops. Go Warriors!
He deserves a raise for that act!
Quote from: Goose on February 25, 2012, 11:56:03 AM
He deserves a raise for that act!
Naw.....he's not that good of a dancer.... ;D
I like Buzz, a lot, but I was embarrassed by his dance. I mean, really, who the he!! dances to "Country Roads"? And, what kind of two step was that anyway? Embarrassing!!
For those who are so offended by Buzz's dance, would you have wanted AL as a coach?
He apologized on National TV 10 secs after he did it!!!! Geez Louise!
Loved it..let's dance all the way to the FF!! Otherwise, this discussion is pointless unless you are 1) 10 years old, 2) stupid or 3) clueless. Oh, wait, that would be the WVA student body!
They are leaving the Big East anyway, F**k em if they can't take a joke or see the dance for what it was.
...beam me up, Scottie, there is no intelligent life in Morgantown.
Quote from: socrplar125 on February 25, 2012, 12:05:09 PM
For those who are so offended by Buzz's dance, would you have wanted AL as a coach?
No fairly certain they would have prefered Deane or that piano player guy.....
At a time in sports when players flick off cameras (AJ Hawk), stomp on other players (Suh), brawl in stands (Ron Artest...sorry...Meta World Peace), and just in general act like a**holes, I think this whole thing is being blown way out of proportion. The dude DANCED! It was funny. There was no malicious intent. He has apologized at least a dozen times if he offended anyone. Let's move on.
That dance put MU on a much bigger stage. In the 70's we were a disliked team but respected by all. The more air time we get the more respect the boys get. They flat out refuse to lose.
I don't think Buzz needs to be punished, but he definitely needs to learn from this mistake. It was a stupid classless move and he embarrassed the program. He knows it and acknowledged it. Serious lapse of judgment. I wonder what we would say if WVU came into the BC and beat us by one and then Huggins danced a polka all over our logo to the tune of "Roll Out the Barrel". Shame that a great win is overshadowed by player suspensions and and an idiot move by our coach.
Theres absolutely nothing wrong with a little celebratory dance in most cases. However, i would guess that Buzz feels he broke with his normal respect for his fellow coaches.
Here's the deal - Buzz respects Huggins. Many of us don't. Buzz sees Huggins as a toughness-teaching 700 game winner. And one that was nice to him when he didn't need to be (Buzz has said this of Huggie on several occasions).
Watch Buzz and Huggie on the clips posted before the game yesterday, there's a genuine respect there.
In a typical post-game Buzz always goes out of his way to show respect to opposing coaches. In this one, he realized his actions would be interpreted as disrespect for Huggins and his program.
In Buzz's mind, that's not who he hopes to be.
And it's not how he wants to teach his players to behave.
So, I can see that Buzz letting the players make him run a lap or two as a pretty good way to show he's as accountable as they are.
Cause that's the kind of guy and coach he tries to be.
Quote from: BlindboyPatSmith on February 25, 2012, 10:07:33 AM
Punishment: I would not allow Buzz to coach his team during the first two rounds of the Big East Tournament. Practice coaching would be acceptable but no 'court' appearances
You forgot the teal, right? Please tell me you forgot the teal.
stupid thread - no punishment here. If anything Buzz has personality, just like a certain other coach MU had in the late 70s......
Quote from: windyplayer on February 25, 2012, 12:51:52 PM
You forgot the teal, right? Please tell me you forgot the teal.
No teal was necessary.
Quote from: martyconlonontherun on February 25, 2012, 10:00:59 AM
...by the seniors.
I think it would be pretty cool if Buzz let the players decide what his punishment should be for his lapse of judgment last night. That way the players see no one is above the teams reputation and gets rid of any feelings of unfairness of MU being over strict on just players. Probably would generate some really good PR to see Buzz running sprints after practice with Crowder screaming at him, Buzz waking up early to do an extra community service event, or some creative punishment.
People don't seem to understand that the original suggestion for "punishment" was more of a comical PR move than an actual punishment. A video of Buzz running stairs with Crowder and DJO shouting "encouragements" would be pretty entertaining.
Quote from: Jacks DC on February 25, 2012, 12:41:05 PM
I wonder what we would say if WVU came into the BC and beat us by one and then Huggins danced a polka all over our logo to the tune of "Roll Out the Barrel". Shame that a great win is overshadowed by player suspensions and and an idiot move by our coach.
He wasn't on the logo. Not that it makes any difference if he was or not, but he wasn't.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on February 25, 2012, 01:33:13 PM
People don't seem to understand that the original suggestion for "punishment" was more of a comical PR move than an actual punishment. A video of Buzz running stairs with Crowder and DJO shouting "encouragements" would be pretty entertaining.
agreed. the OP wasn't about whether there should be some objective, official coming down on Buzz. He clearly regretted his dance after (to me this is the primary reason that the comparisons to Al are misplaced and totally irrelevant. Al wouldnt have felt bad/apologized, so to compare Buzz's dance and the fallout to an Al incident is stupid - they arent the same guy by their own [un]apologetic terms, so why should we make them out to be?). I think Buzz getting "punished" by the guys is a great way to bridge any and all bad feelings that might exist from the suspensions last night, and simultaneously show his remorse.
The first thing he says is like "I danced. They got mad." with a little smirk on his face. he knows its petty bullshit and i am just glad we have a fun head coach. I don't think buzz embarrassed any potential recruits at all.
Very bad idea. Can't let the inmates run the institution. That's why Buzz suspended them in the first place. IF Buzz needs to be punished it needs to come from his boss, Larry who just got done vigorously slapping his hand. I know it's not politically correct, but there is a reason the chain of authority has worked for thousands of years.
Quote from: windyplayer on February 25, 2012, 12:51:52 PM
You forgot the teal, right? Please tell me you forgot the teal.
I'm sorry I apologize if I broke a rule....I am new here so please tell me the significance of 'teal' - is it a way of showing sarcasm?
If it is then I need to make that my permanent color....lol
Ah bulls h i t. Buzz knows exactly what he's doin'. And I, as a proud, contributing, double alumnus of MU, is extremely happy, not only that's he's our coach, but also that he knows the difference between right and wrong, and is secure enough in his own skin, to act upon it.
Quote from: BlindboyPatSmith on February 25, 2012, 02:54:27 PM
I'm sorry I apologize if I broke a rule....I am new here so please tell me the significance of 'teal' - is it a way of showing sarcasm?
If it is then I need to make that my permanent color....lol
Don't use teal. It's funnier when people lose their crap over a joke.
When U of Detroit beat MU during Coach Vitale era, he was dancing away on the court here in Milwaukee.
Great job by Buzz. Loved his dance. Suspension was correct and in true Jesuit tradition. Students have to learn about their responsibility and team rules.
Great win over WV.
I'm really surprised by how many on this board don't have a problem with the dance last night. Even Buzz admitted it was a stupid move.
I'm a big fan of Buzz. He holds his players to a certain standard that reflects well on the program. He needs to hold himself to the same standards.
That being said, it was only one issue. It's over, move on, and keep winning.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on February 25, 2012, 03:20:28 PM
Don't use teal. It's funnier when people lose their crap over a joke.
HAHAHAH agreed
For one, the "suspensions" may not have been for grievous acts of criminality. Even the term "suspensions" seemed overdone as a violation that only warrants a 20-minute time out must not be critical.
Also, it was a dance on the way over to the interview. No way Buzz even considered the ill-effects until the torches and pitchforks came out in the student section. Buzz gave a quick i'm sorry as best he could come up with and moved on.
By now he might as well have shot a student on the court for all the backlash. I guess it's just a part of getting good. No one is seething about anything DePaul these days.
Quote from: mikem91288 on February 25, 2012, 12:53:38 PM
stupid thread - no punishment here. If anything Buzz has personality, just like a certain other coach MU had in the late 70s......
Way back then: "Give 'em hell, Al!"
A modest proposal for now: "Give 'em the two-step, Buzz!"
You're right, Buzz should be punished if he breaks a team rule. So tell me what team rule he broke by two-stepping to John Denver.
My bet is he did not break a rule so no punishment is necessary.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on February 25, 2012, 03:20:28 PM
Don't use teal. It's funnier when people lose their crap over a joke.
Multiple times I've posted and said to myself, "self, teal is redundant on this post - everyone will realize I'm being really, really sarcastic". But then I go ahead and use the teal anyways, because history has shown, some folks take this board way too seriously. ;)
IMO the dance was AWESOME. Perhaps it wasn't the best idea and it was definitely blown out of proportion, but I LOVE Buzz's personality! He likes to have fun...that's a GOOD thing!
Quote from: Jamailman on February 25, 2012, 10:04:44 AM
Lapse of judgement???? That dance was amazing! I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!!!!!!
I totally agree
WV sold out the Big East. Who caeres about them. Go Buzz.
I didn't know coaches weren't allowed to dance to songs. I would have no issues with another coaching dancing after a pure meltdown by our teams specially of they played with out 4 key contributors for a half.
Him dancing was not as disrespectful as people make it out to be. And I'd you think it's appalling or completely disrespectful, sounds like you got your panties in a wad and you need a drink followed by a lesson from the fun police.
Love buzz, his antics, his emotion, and how hard this team plays for him. Two step all you want buzz.
Quote from: Warriors88 on February 25, 2012, 04:12:04 PM
I'm really surprised by how many on this board don't have a problem with the dance last night. Even Buzz admitted it was a stupid move.
I'm a big fan of Buzz. He holds his players to a certain standard that reflects well on the program. He needs to hold himself to the same standards.
That being said, it was only one issue. It's over, move on, and keep winning.
OK ... and doesn't just about everybody here think Vitale was/is a clown?
West Virginia fans wanted a humble winner. Buzz was to pumped to notice their wishes. After realizing he was not complying with their wishes he apologized. West Virginia is history. Move on, more important things out there.
I am 99.9% sure this thread was meant to be fun and poking a little at the response to Buzz's dance but it seems like most others don't think so.
If they're going to "punish" him, I say he has to dance with each of the senior's moms on senior day.
This was classic Buzz, and that's the problem. He's spontaneous, genuine and in-the-moment. We saw it a couple years ago against Louisville. We know that this is who Buzz is and that he would never do anything intentionally disrespectful. But the nation doesn't know that, and we've seen too many players and coaches that aren't like him.
It should be noted, however, that I'm happy this happened against WVU and their scuzzy fans.
Quote from: Warriors88 on February 25, 2012, 04:12:04 PM
I'm really surprised by how many on this board don't have a problem with the dance last night. Even Buzz admitted it was a stupid move.
I'm a big fan of Buzz. He holds his players to a certain standard that reflects well on the program. He needs to hold himself to the same standards.
That being said, it was only one issue. It's over, move on, and keep winning.
This pretty much sums up how I feel. I think Buzz danced purely out of joy and meant no disrespect and immediately apologized for doing it once he realized his mistake. But it certainly would have been better if he didn't do it in the first place.
Quote from: CTWarrior on February 26, 2012, 10:55:23 AM
This pretty much sums up how I feel. I think Buzz danced purely out of joy and meant no disrespect and immediately apologized for doing it once he realized his mistake. But it certainly would have been better if he didn't do it in the first place.
A thought came to my mind. MU beat WVU after 10:00 pm (CT) on a Friday Night. Under normal circumstances, it
might get a mention at halftime of the Saturday televised games. Then again, it might just be forgotten. With Buzz's dance, it was not only mentioned, but discussed
during every game yesterday. Not just the dance, but positive comments about MU and how MU is playing, etc. Would MU have gotten all that publicity and discussion yesterday sans the dance? I don't believe they would have.
Quote from: MUMac on February 26, 2012, 11:14:47 AM
A thought came to my mind. MU beat WVU after 10:00 pm (CT) on a Friday Night. Under normal circumstances, it might get a mention at halftime of the Saturday televised games. Then again, it might just be forgotten. With Buzz's dance, it was not only mentioned, but discussed during every game yesterday. Not just the dance, but positive comments about MU and how MU is playing, etc. Would MU have gotten all that publicity and discussion yesterday sans the dance? I don't believe they would have.
I think the publicity would have been more about suspending the players. I heard the play-by-play guy during the St Johns-ND game wondering why Buzz only suspended the players for half a game, without having any clue as to why they were suspended.
Quote from: CTWarrior on February 26, 2012, 11:27:15 AM
I think the publicity would have been more about suspending the players. I heard the play-by-play guy during the St Johns-ND game wondering why Buzz only suspended the players for half a game, without having any clue as to why they were suspended.
Possibly, we will never know. With Buzz's dance, it mentioned the dance, game and suspensions. Plus, some added video. As I stated, it was mentioned during every game yesterday. With just the suspensions, I am not so sure it gets mentioned and discussed during every game. Just my opinion.
I think we're kidding ourselves if we don't grasp why the guys were only suspended for a half. It was noble to suspend them for a half when there were that many - many coaches wouldn't have done it at all. But I believe the only reason it was a half was the numbers game - you simple cannot play with 5 guys the entire game.
Quote from: Gardner's Postgame Snack on February 26, 2012, 11:36:47 AM
I think we're kidding ourselves if we don't grasp why the guys were only suspended for a half. It was noble to suspend them for a half when there were that many - many coaches wouldn't have done it at all. But I believe the only reason it was a half was the numbers game - you simple cannot play with 5 guys the entire game.
+1. In fact I wondered at the start of the game if he was going to suspend the same 4 guys for half a game in our next game, too, in order to complete the full game suspension. Thinking about it now, though, if he was going to do that, he probably would've suspended 2 guys for WVU and 2 for Cincy.
Quote from: 79Warrior on February 25, 2012, 10:08:53 AM
Good grief, who cares. Buzz was elated after a great win under tough circumstances. Grow up.
Um, he was saying that "punishing" Buzz could be something fun.
The worst thing about this incident is now I can't get that stupid song out of my head. " Take me home, country roads ..."
I think I'm gonna puke.
Quote from: Warriors88 on February 26, 2012, 05:15:59 PM
The worst thing about this incident is now I can't get that stupid song out of my head. " Take me home, country roads ..."
I think I'm gonna puke.
You say that as if it's a bad thing.
I mean, sure, it's no "Leaving on a Jet Plane," but still.
I'm down with "Hundred Bottles of Beer on the Wall."