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Down goes Frazier! Down goes Frazier!

http://espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=320502294

They'll be ranked, no doubt.

They play the Gopher on ESPN on Sunday. No way ESPN doesn't keep them ranked for that.

BWAHAHAHAHA!!!

I mean, poor Tommy and his McD AAs...

Quote from: RideMyBuycks on February 19, 2012, 07:43:29 PM
They play the Gopher on ESPN on Sunday. No way ESPN doesn't keep them ranked for that.

It's not a bunch of ESPN executives that do the ranking. It's a panel of coaches -- or at least their surrogates.

Not saying whether or not Indiana will be ranked (though I think it will). Just saying there's no ESPN-controlled conspiracy.

Quote from: MU82 on February 19, 2012, 11:38:42 PM
It's not a bunch of ESPN executives that do the ranking. It's a panel of coaches -- or at least their surrogates.

Not saying whether or not Indiana will be ranked (though I think it will). Just saying there's no ESPN-controlled conspiracy.

The AP poll is compiled by polling sports writers, so I'm sure some of them work for espn.  Not saying there is a conspiracy either, but I wouldn't put it past espn

Unfortunately I think rankings are tied closely to the name recognition of a college/university.  We have seen it this year.  We can lose one game and drop 4 spots.  Other teams lose one, they drop 1-2 max.  Our name recognition is not as high as others, such as Duke, UNC, MSU, etc...

Please Note: I'm not saying people don't know who Marquette is.  But more along the line of when you see the name Kentucky, the assumption/expectation that there should be a number to the left of the name

It wouldn't surprise me if IU was still ranked...should they be?  I'll leave that one open for debate.

Yes, they should be.  Wins against Ohio St, Kentucky, Notre Dame, Michigan, Purdue and NC State.  8-7 in the highest rated conference. 

As much as I want to win the bet against chicos (which is still possible...) Pomeroy does still have them 1 spot above MU in his rankings.  But they've been dropping and MU has been rising.

I think you're probably right Indy.  I'll bet they hang on at 24-25.  Some other teams just below them also took a loss.  The two teams that are getting hammered this week will be MWC schools UNLV and SDSU.  Wow.  Imagine their fan boards.

And not to highjack my own thread but how 'bout a shout out to the South Florida Rams.  Absolutely playing themselves into contention.  CrashingtheDance now has them 8th on the 'outside looking in' list and estimates their RPI at 50.  I watched them absolutely suffocate Pitt yesterday.  If I were Cincy or West Virginia, I'd make sure not to overlook that game.  I'm going to predict they make it all the way and earn a late at-large bid.

As a card carrying member of the Crean Schadenfreude Club .. while I'd rather see him never win any game .. another preference would be that IU experience the same level of March winning as MU did, namely, beside a Robert Jackson fueled Final 4, a whole lot of one-and-dones.

.. which is where IU is headed this year.  

Hoosier nation will just get a taste of things to come .. high expectations .. solid conference seasons .. late season fade + NCAA loss, perhaps to a worse seed.

nom nom nom.

Quote from: jsglow on February 20, 2012, 08:02:38 AM
And not to highjack my own thread but how 'bout a shout out to the South Florida Rams.  Absolutely playing themselves into contention.  CrashingtheDance now has them 8th on the 'outside looking in' list and estimates their RPI at 50.  I watched them absolutely suffocate Pitt yesterday.  If I were Cincy or West Virginia, I'd make sure not to overlook that game.  I'm going to predict they make it all the way and earn a late at-large bid.

I just wish they had beaten someone, anybody.
Their wins: UVM, MRST, FSO, GASO, FAU, FAMU, CLEV, RUTG, VILLx2, HALL, SJUm DEP, Provx2, Pittx2.
Losses:ODU, PSU, VCU, KU, AUB, USM, CONN, ND, #MUBB, Gtown

I think they are going to lose the last 4 on their slate: @Cuse, CIN, @LOU, WV.  10-8 is still respectible in the Beast, but that is a WEAK 10 wins and brutal non-conf.  

Quote from: mu_hilltopper on February 20, 2012, 08:14:24 AM
As a card carrying member of the Crean Schadenfreude Club .. while I'd rather see him never win any game .. another preference would be that IU experience the same level of March winning as MU did, namely, beside a Robert Jackson fueled Final 4, a whole lot of one-and-dones.

.. which is where IU is headed this year.  

Hoosier nation will just get a taste of things to come .. high expectations .. solid conference seasons .. late season fade + NCAA loss, perhaps to a worse seed.

nom nom nom.

Hey, where do I go to get my card?

Quote from: jsglow on February 20, 2012, 08:02:38 AM

And not to highjack my own thread but how 'bout a shout out to the South Florida Rams  Bulls.  

Fixed.  Agree with what you had to say about the Pitt game though.

the tom crean show must have the indy fans goin b-polar by now.  4 more years baby

Quote from: wyzgy on February 20, 2012, 02:09:11 PM
the tom crean show must have the indy fans goin b-polar by now.  4 more years baby

I do enjoy the timeline of events for IU bball fans this year.

Pre-Season: No Expectations. Talk that next year is the year.
Leading up to UK: Playing well, let's not get blown out by UK on our home court.
Post-UK: "We're Back!" Everyone get on the bandwagon
Lead Up to the B10 Season: This is our year, let's make some noise in the B10.
First Conf Game @MSU: It's a loss...new year and nothings changed. Can't win on the road
The Rise Again: 3 Victories against tOSU, MICH, and PSU.
The Skid: Lose 5 of 7 Games.  Bandwagon Empties. The ND Bandwagon begins filling.  The talk of "next year is the year" begins again
Re-Gain Traction: 3 victories against Purdue, Illinois, and NW. 20 Wins. NCAA Tourney bound but no enthusiasm
Loss to Iowa: Rock Bottom again.

Talking with co-workers at lunch today, one person mentioned that IU was a "fraud" of a top-25 team.  With wins against #1 and #2 qualify them for a top-25 slot.  However, no able to win on the road and loses to Iowa/Minnesota are bad.

They get Minn, MSU, and Purdue to end the season...and NCCU.  So we shall see what happens.  Hopefully they play well.  When IU loses, you can't talk college bball.  Same thing with NFL this past season.  No one would talk football because of the Colts.

Quote from: SaintPaulWarrior on February 20, 2012, 12:10:32 PM
Fixed.  Agree with what you had to say about the Pitt game though.

Yep.  Thanks.

Quote from: 77ncaachamps on February 19, 2012, 11:19:19 PM
BWAHAHAHAHA!!!

I mean, poor Tommy and his McD AAs...

They have only one McD AA, not multiple

Quote from: IndyWarrior
Pre-Season: No Expectations. Talk that next year is the year.
Leading up to UK: Playing well, let's not get blown out by UK on our home court.
Post-UK: "We're Back!" Everyone get on the bandwagon
Lead Up to the B10 Season: This is our year, let's make some noise in the B10.
First Conf Game @MSU: It's a loss...new year and nothings changed. Can't win on the road
The Rise Again: 3 Victories against tOSU, MICH, and PSU.
The Skid: Lose 5 of 7 Games.  Bandwagon Empties. The ND Bandwagon begins filling.  The talk of "next year is the year" begins again
Re-Gain Traction: 3 victories against Purdue, Illinois, and NW. 20 Wins. NCAA Tourney bound but no enthusiasm
Loss to Iowa: Rock Bottom again.

Sounds a little bit like our team last year.  

Start out doing ok and hope not to get blown out by Duke.
Play Duke close, we're on our way against a mediocre Gonzaga team.
We lose to Gonzaga.  We barely beat UWM.

Put together a couple of wins, we're ready to beat Wisconsin at home.
We lose to Wisconsin.  Despair again.

Pay Vanderbilt very tough, lose by one point.  We're back.
Knock off WVU and Rutgers and play decent against Pitt on the road.

Then the Louisville disaster.  Lose 6 of 9 games which includes a 1 point squeeker win against South Florida Rams Bulls

Things not looking good when suddenly we go on a 3 game winning streak including wins over St. John's and UCONN (on the road)

We are back.

Then a terrible home loss to Cincinnati followed by one of our worst efforts of the year as we get blown out by Seton Hall on the road.

9-9.  Squarely on the bubble.  13 losses already, the most we've had in almost a decade.

Then the Big East Tournament arrives and we win two games.  We're back.

Game three, we are blown out by 25 points.

NCAA Tournament starts and we get a great draw, win two games.  We're back.

Then get blown out by 20 to UNC in a game not that close.


Sounds quite a bit like our team last year.

At the end of the day, Indiana was not supposed to be this good this year.  They're going to be in the NCAA tournament.  They have some great wins and some bad losses.  Their guards are not very good, but as a team they're good enough to be the only team in the nation to knock off Kentucky and only one of several to beat Ohio State and Michigan.  

Quote from: Warrior Chick
Hey, where do I go to get my card?

For joining MU Scoop you are automatically administered a card.

Quote from: Rockywarrior
As much as I want to win the bet against chicos (which is still possible...) Pomeroy does still have them 1 spot above MU in his rankings.  But they've been dropping and MU has been rising.

Isn't your bet whether Crean will still be employed at Indiana come January of 2012 or something?  I don't see how that is not going to be possible.  They've greatly exceeded expectations this year and why would they can him with the #1 or #2 recruiting class coming to Bloomington in 7 months?

Quote from: Hoopaloop on February 21, 2012, 07:13:48 PM
Isn't your bet whether Crean will still be employed at Indiana come January of 2012 or something?  I don't see how that is not going to be possible.  They've greatly exceeded expectations this year and why would they can him with the #1 or #2 recruiting class coming to Bloomington in 7 months?

It's Nov 1, 2012 that he must still be employed.  And you might be shocked what can happen in 7 months.  Please ask our friend Chicos.  College hoops is a wacky world.

Just for Crean schadenfreude consideration- I'm glad he did so well early on this year because now Indiana is stuck with him and I don't foresee him making a run at the Big Ten or even being close to the top in that conference for the foreseeable future.

Quote from: SacWarrior on February 22, 2012, 12:32:10 AM
Just for Crean schadenfreude consideration- I'm glad he did so well early on this year because now Indiana is stuck with him and I don't foresee him making a run at the Big Ten or even being close to the top in that conference for the foreseeable future.

With all due respect SacWarrior, you get recruiting info out in Cali don't you?  Indiana University fans are thrilled to have Crean.  He has re-built the program from absolutely nothing, and I will be very surprised if IU is not near the top of the conference within the next year or two.

Quote from: Coach Norman Dale on February 22, 2012, 03:54:35 AM
With all due respect SacWarrior, you get recruiting info out in Cali don't you?  Indiana University fans are thrilled to have Crean.  He has re-built the program from absolutely nothing, and I will be very surprised if IU is not near the top of the conference within the next year or two.

Thrilled to have him? You find it enjoyable to root for your favorite team while holding your nose because your coach is such a phony? Believe me, I know of which I speak. There were many on this board like you. Pretending to be happy with a guy while secretly loathing everything about him. When he leaves, you'll see how people really feel about him.

Quote from: Hoopaloop on February 21, 2012, 07:13:48 PM
Sounds a little bit like our team last year.  

There are some slight similarities, especially when it comes to comparing conference seasons, but can you really compare playing Vandy and Duke "close" to beating #1 UK and #2 OSU?

And I'll say that it isn't fair to either team to bring up the BET and NCAA from last year in an MU/IU comparison until IU plays in their respective tourneys.

Quote from: Coach Norman Dale on February 22, 2012, 03:54:35 AM
With all due respect SacWarrior, you get recruiting info out in Cali don't you?  Indiana University fans are thrilled to have Crean.  He has re-built the program from absolutely nothing, and I will be very surprised if IU is not near the top of the conference within the next year or two.

You are giving him way too much credit for "rebuilding the program from absolutely nothing"  After all Its Indiana, Its Indiana.  They have a huge recruiting base, name recognition and are top 5 or better program of all time, not exactly "absloutely nothing".  Top recruits are going to come there no matter who the coach is. An arguement can be made that he should have turned it around sooner. By the way, I do not think IU fans think a boder line ranked team is turning it around. We will see if crean can get them to the next level.

By the way, chicos... err  Hoopaloop.  why do you have this incessant need to jump in and defend everything crean and Indiana. It is annoying as hell.

Quote from: socrplar125 on February 22, 2012, 08:36:48 AM
There are some slight similarities, especially when it comes to comparing conference seasons, but can you really compare playing Vandy and Duke "close" to beating #1 UK and #2 OSU?

And I'll say that it isn't fair to either team to bring up the BET and NCAA from last year in an MU/IU comparison until IU plays in their respective tourneys.

in all fairness, OSU is NOT currently a #2 team so possibly over-rated when they were ranked #2 but I do agree with your point

Quote from: hairyworthen on February 22, 2012, 08:51:08 AM
You are giving him way too much credit for "rebuilding the program from absolutely nothing"  After all Its Indiana, Its Indiana.  They have a huge recruiting base, name recognition and are top 5 or better program of all time, not exactly "absloutely nothing".  Top recruits are going to come there no matter who the coach is. An arguement can be made that he should have turned it around sooner. By the way, I do not think IU fans think a boder line ranked team is turning it around. We will see if crean can get them to the next level.

By the way, chicos... err  Hoopaloop.  why do you have this incessant need to jump in and defend everything crean and Indiana. It is annoying as hell.

Let's just call him HoopaChic or ChicoHoop.

Quote from: Hoopaloop on February 22, 2012, 10:05:16 AM
Works for me.  We'll call you HairyRing or Cockring.   :P


It's equally annoying as hell calling someone a username they are not.  You know what else is annoying, looking at your posts and how most of them you attack the person.  The ratio of your posts that attack people is annoying.

And calling someone "cock ring" is not attacking,   classy.

I very rarely attack individuals, I do call out posts that are over the top or that I disagree with.

For future reference, according to Rivals/Yahoo and as of 2/21, IU's RPI rating is (.6201) which is good for 18th overall (SOS 26).


Let's see how their game tonight affects their RPI tomorrow.

Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on February 22, 2012, 07:55:26 AM
... Pretending to be happy with a guy while secretly loathing everything about him. When he leaves, you'll see how people really feel about him.

I understand that a number of people on this board to not like him.  I have purposely stayed out of the chatter on that issue.  Also, I do not pretend that I know him well, but I have never had any personal reason to dislike him.  That is, I have talked to him on two occasions -- the first at Dwyane Wade's first pro game against the Pacers in Indianapolis [where he introduced me to his wife and children] and last summer after my son attended his basketball camp in Bloomington [where we discussed, among other things. the fact that I graduated from both schools where he has been a head coach and that I thought he did/was doing a good job at both locations].  In each case, he was friendly and engaging. 

That is just my limited experience with him.  I understand that some of the people on this board feel differently, so I assume their experience with him has been different.

Quote from: hairyworthen on February 22, 2012, 08:51:08 AM
huge recruiting base ...  Top recruits are going to come there no matter who the coach is.

This was certainly not the case during the Mike Davis years nor the first couple of years under Crean.  During those times, the top Indiana kids were leaving the State or, cold shudder, going to Purdue.   ;D 

Quote from: hairyworthen on February 22, 2012, 08:51:08 AM
...  An arguement can be made that he should have turned it around sooner. By the way, I do not think IU fans think a boder line ranked team is turning it around. We will see if crean can get them to the next level.

Anyone who expected quicker progress than this was, in my opinion, unrealistic.  When Crean was hired, I expected that the arc of progression would be that they would be an NIT level team by last year, and the NCAAs this year.  And you are right, most IU fans expect more progress and growth in the program, especially now that Crean has re-established in-state recruiting.

Quote from: hairyworthen on February 22, 2012, 08:51:08 AM
By the way, chicos... err  Hoopaloop.  why do you have this incessant need to jump in and defend everything crean and Indiana. It is annoying as hell.

I love this.  When I made my post -- especially after I changed my avatar from the cover of the movie from which my board name was derived -- I wondered if anyone would make this claim.  It is extremely funny to me for several reasons including the fact that I have been a member of this board since October 26, 2006, and the only things I was ever able to determine that I had in common with Chicos was that we attended the same colleges at different times and do not consider Tom Crean to be the devil.

Quote from: hairyworthen on February 22, 2012, 10:24:57 AM
I very rarely attack individuals, I do call out posts ... that I disagree with.

Heaven forbid that someone would disagree with another poster on a message board.  If disagreement is not the basis for a personal attack, I do not know what is.  Take a stand hairyworthen -- disagreement must be stopped as nothing good has ever come of it!   ::)

Quote from: Coach Norman Dale on February 22, 2012, 12:27:41 PM
Heaven forbid that someone would disagree with another poster on a message board.  If disagreement is not the basis for a personal attack, I do not know what is.  Take a stand hairyworthen -- disagreement must be stopped as nothing good has ever come of it!   ::)

First of all my chicos reference was meant for hoopaloop not you.

You took my comment out of context,  I was accused of making attacks on people.  I responded that I rarely attack people, but do call out the posts. Big deal, my point excatly.  Did you even read the chain of posts that you quoted? Your remarks above don't make any sense. 

a disagreement is the basis for a personal attack?  Really?  You can't disagree with someone with out attacking them on a personal level? I feel for you or any spouse you may have.

Quote from: hairyworthen on February 22, 2012, 01:00:45 PM
a disagreement is the basis for a personal attack?  Really?  You can't disagree with someone with out attacking them on a personal level? I feel for you or any spouse you may have.

Dang it.  This site needs a newsletter or something, so I can keep up to date on the customs and/or mores.   <--- a word that I do not believe I have used since the sociology courses I took at Marquette.

mo·res  (môrz, -z, mr-) pl.n.
1. The accepted traditional customs and usages of a particular social group.
2. Moral attitudes.
3. Manners; ways.

I thought it was agreed that teal was no longer necessary for obvious sarcasm.  If that is not the case, please put on teal tinted glasses and re-read my posts.

In the meantime, stop feeling my spouse.  ;D

Quote from: Coach Norman Dale on February 22, 2012, 01:21:46 PM
Dang it.  This site needs a newsletter or something, so I can keep up to date on the customs and/or mores.   <--- a word that I do not believe I have used since the sociology courses I took at Marquette.

mo·res  (môrz, -z, mr-) pl.n.
1. The accepted traditional customs and usages of a particular social group.
2. Moral attitudes.
3. Manners; ways.

I thought it was agreed that teal was no longer necessary for obvious sarcasm.  If that is not the case, please put on teal tinted glasses and re-read my posts.

In the meantime, stop feeling my spouse.  ;D

Ok done, 

No desire to feel your spouse, 

Quote from: hairyworthen on February 22, 2012, 10:24:57 AM
And calling someone "cock ring" is not attacking,   classy.

I very rarely attack individuals, I do call out posts that are over the top or that I disagree with.

There is clearly an icon there with a tongue sticking out.  It was a joke.  Now you're just playing games.  If you couldn't tell that was a joke with the  :P then there is little I can do for you.

You should go review your own posts.  You attack people all the time.  Take a look.  Or, at the very least, you are consistently referencing the poster not the content.  Do you add anything of substance other than the play by play about the poster?  In my view, much of your participation is commentary on the messenger.  Feel free to disagree

Here are your postings.

http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?action=profile;u=3765;sa=showPosts


COACH NORMAN DALE.  Welcome back.  Another poster that has been gone for far too long.  Be careful, since you went to IU and MU you will be targeted.

Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare

... Pretending to be happy with a guy while secretly loathing everything about him. When he leaves, you'll see how people really feel about him.

I'm quite certain IU fans have gone through this before with Bobby Knight and Kelvin Sampson.   :P  With Coach Knight you either loved him or despised him.  MU fans have gone through it with Kevin O'Neill and to a lesser extent Mike Deane.  It happens.  Crean isn't out there killing babies.  He is graduating kids, kicked out the bad eggs (that should be a good thing), demands certain character traits.  My hunch is that most IU fans really like the guy.  You don't.  You're not an IU fan, so it doesn't much matter.

Quote from: Hoopaloop on February 22, 2012, 02:52:14 PM


You should go review your own posts.  You attack people all the time.  Take a look.  Or, at the very least, you are consistently referencing the poster not the content.  Do you add anything of substance other than the play by play about the poster?  In my view, much of your participation is commentary on the messenger.  Feel free to disagree

Here are your postings.

http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?action=profile;u=3765;sa=showPosts

hairyworthen, you can always have one of your friends read through all your posts and serve as an auditor to give an impartial view of the content of your posts.

Quote from: cheebs09 on February 22, 2012, 03:00:50 PM
hairyworthen, you can always have one of your friends read through all your posts and serve as an auditor to give an impartial view of the content of your posts.

Would you be willing to do that? 

Quote from: hairyworthen on February 22, 2012, 03:06:05 PM
Would you be willing to do that? 

it looks like hoopaloop tried that but look how that turned out

Quote from: Hoopaloop on February 22, 2012, 02:52:14 PM
There is clearly an icon there with a tongue sticking out.  It was a joke.  Now you're just playing games.  If you couldn't tell that was a joke with the  :P then there is little I can do for you.

You should go review your own posts.  You attack people all the time.  Take a look.  Or, at the very least, you are consistently referencing the poster not the content.  Do you add anything of substance other than the play by play about the poster?  In my view, much of your participation is commentary on the messenger.  Feel free to disagree

Here are your postings.

http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?action=profile;u=3765;sa=showPosts

Thanks, I do disagree

Putting a silly icon next to a derogatory name doesn't make it ok.  

People post for different reasons and post different topics/commentary.  I bet if we read through your posts most would be of a certain nature. I post all different types of things, some weak attempts at humor others in response to posts or posters that agitate me. Mostly I enjoy just reading the posts and not replying, therefore when I do post it is something that I feel strongly about and as such it may come across derogatory.  I try not to take it to a personal level.

 Nothing wrong with that. You post your topics and replys and I will post mine. It is a little creepy that  you are so obsessed with my postings that you attach a link to them. Very chicoish.

Quote from: Benny B on February 22, 2012, 10:53:11 AM
For future reference, according to Rivals/Yahoo and as of 2/21, IU's RPI rating is (.6201) which is good for 18th overall (SOS 26).


Let's see how their game tonight affects their RPI tomorrow.

So even with a win last night, IU's RPI dropped minimally:

RPI following NC Central win: .6181 (19th), SOS 30.

Still, I can't see the benefit of late-season cupcakes.

Quote from: Benny B on February 23, 2012, 10:47:21 AM
So even with a win last night, IU's RPI dropped minimally:

RPI following NC Central win: .6181 (19th), SOS 30.

Still, I can't see the benefit of late-season cupcakes.

They said last night the game was moved because the Big Ten game IU back to back byes meaning they would play only 2 games in two weeks.  The game was originally scheduled for December and IU asked them to move it so the team would have a game and not so much time off.  That's per ESPN

Explanation is in this article

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=320530084

More explanation in the Indianapolis Star

http://blogs.indystar.com/hoosiersinsider/2012/02/22/viewing-options-for-tonights-indiana-north-carolina-central-game/

Quote from: Hoopaloop on February 22, 2012, 02:52:14 PM

COACH NORMAN DALE.  Welcome back.  Another poster that has been gone for far too long.  Be careful, since you went to IU and MU you will be targeted.

Thanks for the greeting, and I have my big boy pants on so I can take the slings and arrows that come with the target I wear!  And I will try to not stay away for so long -- my blistering pace of 0.088 posts per day is not going to maintain itself.   :D

Actually, my "Serenity Now" approach to the Crean/IU bashing finally crashed.  For people to spend time on this Marquette board taking joy in IU losses and/or suggest that the now far less frequent bumps in the road to recovery indicate that the program under Crean is not progressing (or as one person put it, not progressing fast enough) just seems silly to me.  Also, the previous claims [during my period of silence] that his job is -- or has ever been -- in jeopardy are simply wrong.

Which year did Crean schedule some ridiculously obscure OOC game right near the end of February/early March because there was a gap in the schedule?    I'm not a Crean hater, but I am thinking his guys need a break, based on the historical tendency of Crean teams to peak in December. 

Quote from: tower912 on February 23, 2012, 03:06:50 PM
Which year did Crean schedule some ridiculously obscure OOC game right near the end of February/early March because there was a gap in the schedule?    I'm not a Crean hater, but I am thinking his guys need a break, based on the historical tendency of Crean teams to peak in December. 

I think it was 08 against Florida Gulf Coast.  We also beat the "curse" of the baby blue jersey's that day.