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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: TallTitan34 on May 07, 2007, 12:13:20 PM
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I always see some friendly arguements between Cubs and Brewers fans on the Marquette message boards so I was wondering what percentage of MUScoop readers support which team.
Go Cubbies! :)
Major League Baseball will divide. Marquette basketball will unite.
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Viva Gigantes and Always An Athletic!
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I really hate the Cub-Brewer fights because I really like both teams. I grew up loving the Cubs but also baseball. Given the fact that the White Sox suck and always will, the Crew were my AL team growing up. I lived halfway between Chicago and Milwaukee and would go to 3 or 4 games for each team each year. I was very upset when the Brewers went into the NL because I don't want to root against them. I hope the Cubs and Crew take the division race to the last day, then the loser gets the WC and the Cubs beat Milwaukee in the 7th game of the NLCS.
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I really hate the Cub-Brewer fights because I really like both teams. I grew up loving the Cubs but also baseball. Given the fact that the White Sox suck and always will, the Crew were my AL team growing up. I lived halfway between Chicago and Milwaukee and would go to 3 or 4 games for each team each year. I was very upset when the Brewers went into the NL because I don't want to root against them. I hope the Cubs and Crew take the division race to the last day, then the loser gets the WC and the Cubs beat Milwaukee in the 7th game of the NLCS.
That's funny, unless my memory is bad didn't the White Sox win the World Series in 2005 and win 90 games last year? That doesn't sound like a team that sucks. Now the Cubs, THERE'S a team that sucks at a historic level. Facts are facts.
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Given the fact that the White Sox suck and always will,
it's quotes like that make me glad that i am a White Sox fan. because all i have to do is remember the World Series Championship from 2 years ago. sadly the only people that remember the last cubs world series are 6 feet under. it looks like that is where the the cub's hopes for a world series this year are as well. i like the fact that i am a white sox fan because it also gives me a chance be a brewers fan since everyone can get along by disliking the little-team-that-couldn't from the north side of chicago.
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Well put!
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I'm a Cubs fan but do not in any way think the White Sox suck. They have been way better for a long, long time. But, the Cubs are far from dead this year. Check out the Baseball Prospectus Playoff Odds: http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/ps_odds.php The Cubs have twice as good of a shot to make the playoffs right now than the White Sox.
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I'm a Cubs fan but do not in any way think the White Sox suck. They have been way better for a long, long time. But, the Cubs are far from dead this year. Check out the Baseball Prospectus Playoff Odds: http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/ps_odds.php The Cubs have twice as good of a shot to make the playoffs right now than the White Sox.
That's a cool page. I'm shocked that the Braves and Mets have the same record but the Mets have a 71% chance to make the playoffs while the Braves are at 41%.
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Holy crap, the Brewers have a 61% chance of making the playoffs right now? They're going to have to work extra hard to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
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Cubs fan, I used to really like the Brewers until about a year ago, and I met some Brewer fans that were just ridiculous. It really turned me off.
I have seen the same thing happen with the Packers and Bucks for me. Some fans from this area really have trouble disconnecting their hearts with stats, facts, and records.
As for the White Sox, I never really hated them until Ozzie came around. I cannot stand the racist, sexist, homohobic rants that come out of his mouth. The man is in a powerful position, and gets away with so much crap because he can forget the English language so quickly. I also, along with the rest of the MLB hate AJ Pierzynski. I also don't enjoy going to the Cell.
Funny how Ozzie has forgotten how to speak English again as the White Sox have the worst BA in the majors!
Ideally, if all three teams make the playoffs, I'd be happy. But the Cubbies take it all.
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marqptm...did you have a NASCAR message on that board last night that was kicked off?
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Cubs fan, I used to really like the Brewers until about a year ago, and I met some Brewer fans that were just ridiculous. It really turned me off.
I have seen the same thing happen with the Packers and Bucks for me. Some fans from this area really have trouble disconnecting their hearts with stats, facts, and records.
Yeah that happened to Chet Coppock too.. guess he should hate Marquette now..
give me a break.. EVERY team has fans who are (speaking politely) unclassy. It is not unique to any particular area. Heck, I am a Cubs fan and in San Diego at a Padres game I ran into other Cubs fans who were outright embarrassing. Did I say "well - there goes my love for the Cubs"? No way, that's rediculous!
So I guess if you're going to start being turned off of a team just because of a run-in with a few fans then you might as well either a.) stay secluded in your house so that you don't run into any fans of sports teams or b.) dis-like _all_ sports teams. Maybe you are the one having trouble disconnecting.. the team as a whole from a few fans.
*plink plink*
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Cubs fan, I used to really like the Brewers until about a year ago, and I met some Brewer fans that were just ridiculous. It really turned me off.
I have seen the same thing happen with the Packers and Bucks for me. Some fans from this area really have trouble disconnecting their hearts with stats, facts, and records.
Yeah that happened to Chet Coppock too.. guess he should hate Marquette now..
give me a break.. EVERY team has fans who are (speaking politely) unclassy. It is not unique to any particular area. Heck, I am a Cubs fan and in San Diego at a Padres game I ran into other Cubs fans who were outright embarrassing. Did I say "well - there goes my love for the Cubs"? No way, that's rediculous!
So I guess if you're going to start being turned off of a team just because of a run-in with a few fans then you might as well either a.) stay secluded in your house so that you don't run into any fans of sports teams or b.) dis-like _all_ sports teams. Maybe you are the one having trouble disconnecting.. the team as a whole from a few fans.
*plink plink*
Scooper, it wasn't run ins. The kids are my friends, it's not like I hate the Brewers. I guess it has more sparked more liking towards the Cubs and more dislike to the Brewers, nothing hateful or anything here.
I used to like Milwaukee and Chicago before MU too, but now I have to side with the hometown on everything!
Chico, check your inbox.
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Glad to see MU getting over 13,000 applicants this year...and hopefully that number continues to be more and more diverse geographically, so that polls like this become more and more diversified across the country and Internationally, and not just an upper Midwest choice poll.
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Warriors for me, baby!
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I'm a Cubs fan but do not in any way think the White Sox suck. They have been way better for a long, long time. But, the Cubs are far from dead this year. Check out the Baseball Prospectus Playoff Odds: http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/ps_odds.php The Cubs have twice as good of a shot to make the playoffs right now than the White Sox.
Of course, that's the same Baseball Prospectus that had the White Sox winning 80 games and finishing 4th in the AL Central two years ago.
The same Baseball Prospectus that had the Tigers finishing fourth in 2006.
Fun site, but always digest with a salt shaker nearby.
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I cannot stand the racist, sexist, homohobic rants that come out of his mouth.
Admittedly Ozzie has said a few arguably homophobic remarks and that's regrettable, though hardly unusual in the baseball world. But racist? Sexist? Care to divulge something I may have missed?
And, correct me if I'm wrong here, but wasn't it the manager of your beloved Scrubbies who stated that players of a certain skin tone faired better under certain weather and lighting conditions than others based on their race? Just wondering.
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I'm somewhere between Freeway and PTM on this one. Cubs fan #1, if I'm in attendance at a game in Milwaukee and the Cubs aren't playing, I'm rooting for the Brewers. The Cubs beating the wildcard champion Brewers in game 7 of the LCS is fine with me.
Interesting talk about unknowledgable fans, though. I've gone from resident fan to neutral on the Packers in the last 15 years because of them, and from neutral to severe dislike for the University of Wisconsin-Madison Rodents in the last 15 years because of them.
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I cannot stand the racist, sexist, homohobic rants that come out of his mouth.
Admittedly Ozzie has said a few arguably homophobic remarks and that's regrettable, though hardly unusual in the baseball world. But racist? Sexist? Care to divulge something I may have missed?
And, correct me if I'm wrong here, but wasn't it the manager of your beloved Scrubbies who stated that players of a certain skin tone faired better under certain weather and lighting conditions than others based on their race? Just wondering.
Is it more acceptable to homophobic than racist or sexist? Isn't one of them enough?
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If you take a realistic look at the world, yes, it is more "acceptable" to make 'homophobic' remarks than racist or sexual remarks.
Not defending what Ozzie said, although Jay Marriotti is the biggest turd in sports journalism, but the word that Ozzie used is a commonplace term in sports.
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Pakuni, those predictions were from the beginning of the season right? These playoff predictors are updated everyday. Last year when the Cubs played well in April, the playoff predictors said they would fall, which they did. You can also check the predictions with both ELO and PECOTA.
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I'm somewhere between Freeway and PTM on this one. Cubs fan #1, if I'm in attendance at a game in Milwaukee and the Cubs aren't playing, I'm rooting for the Brewers. The Cubs beating the wildcard champion Brewers in game 7 of the LCS is fine with me.
Interesting talk about unknowledgable fans, though. I've gone from resident fan to neutral on the Packers in the last 15 years because of them, and from neutral to severe dislike for the University of Wisconsin-Madison Rodents in the last 15 years because of them.
I do believe people should be able to wear their cap of their choice to even a neutral ball game, without incident. If a fan not only did that but was also a bleep....then they have everything coming to them.
There are good and bad fans everywhere. Take the Cubs for example. Any true Cub fan would never mention some media concocked curse thing because of the trendiness of curses and the Red Sox. Cubs fans don't believe in that stuff. Also, I won't hold it against Cub fans that they have a lot of bleeps at games who consistently throw beer and debris on the field on the outfield after a win or controversial play etc...been happening for years, and not improving, pretty classless stuff....but I know it doesn't represent all Cub fans.
I've lived in NYC and Milwaukee and imo I have found the people in NYC to be friendlier...nothing against Milwaukeans. But I would bet a big stereotype would be the opposite.
Good and bad fans everywhere. Marquette included.
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If you take a realistic look at the world, yes, it is more "acceptable" to make 'homophobic' remarks than racist or sexual remarks.
Not defending what Ozzie said, although Jay Marriotti is the biggest turd in sports journalism, but the word that Ozzie used is a commonplace term in sports.
Education should take precedent over the opinions of the masses. Thankfully I don't live my life in accord to what they masses believe or think.(sometimes my thoughts are similar to or different than the masses by chance)
I believe all are equally unacceptable. I believe I am a pretty realistic person too.
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If you take a realistic look at the world, yes, it is more "acceptable" to make 'homophobic' remarks than racist or sexual remarks.
Not defending what Ozzie said, although Jay Marriotti is the biggest turd in sports journalism, but the word that Ozzie used is a commonplace term in sports.
Agreed. I don't mean to defend a terrible choice of words, but in a lockerroom environment it is not surprising or unusual to hear that particular word, nor does it carry the same weight as a slur as some others that would be viewed as racist.
Should Guillen have known better? Of course. Should he have been punished? Absolutely. Should he be categorized alongside the likes of Ty Cobb and Al Campanis? Of course not.
FWIW, I find it interesting that some North Side fans get up in arms over Ozzie's use of a derogatory term, yet spent more than a decade worshipping a wife beating/steroid injecting/bat corking outfielder. One man's saint is another man's scoundrel, I suppose.
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If you take a realistic look at the world, yes, it is more "acceptable" to make 'homophobic' remarks than racist or sexual remarks.
Not defending what Ozzie said, although Jay Marriotti is the biggest turd in sports journalism, but the word that Ozzie used is a commonplace term in sports.
Education should take precedent over the opinions of the masses. Thankfully I don't live my life in accord to what they masses believe or think.(sometimes my thoughts are similar to or different than the masses by chance)
I believe all are equally unacceptable. I believe I am a pretty realistic person too.
I'm curious ... how do you justify your enlightened position on a baseball manager's use of a derogatory term while at the same time supporting a university that belongs to one of the most anti-gay organizations in the world, one whose leader has labeled homosexuality as "a intrinsic moral evil"?
The two don't seem to mesh.
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I'm a diehard Cubs fan........and the Cubbies are playing pretty good ball here the last week and so are the Brewers. I think its going to come down to the final month between the Cubs and the Brewers. Could be interesting here at MU if that happens in September
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If you take a realistic look at the world, yes, it is more "acceptable" to make 'homophobic' remarks than racist or sexual remarks.
Not defending what Ozzie said, although Jay Marriotti is the biggest turd in sports journalism, but the word that Ozzie used is a commonplace term in sports.
Education should take precedent over the opinions of the masses. Thankfully I don't live my life in accord to what they masses believe or think.(sometimes my thoughts are similar to or different than the masses by chance)
I believe all are equally unacceptable. I believe I am a pretty realistic person too.
I'm curious ... how do you justify your enlightened position on a baseball manager's use of a derogatory term while at the same time supporting a university that belongs to one of the most anti-gay organizations in the world, one whose leader has labeled homosexuality as "a intrinsic moral evil"?
The two don't seem to mesh.
I commented in general about homophobia, racism, sexism. I didn't comment on any baseball manager or their thoughts...just for the record. But I can and would be happy to do so.
Anyway, I can only go with what I believe in, and if my beliefs are strong enough to seek out dialogue, then I do so, and would do that in a block by block manner. Many Jesuits at Marquette don't even hold the same opinions with one another. Many faculty and many students don't hold the same opinions as some of their peers. I know Tim Dolan and like many things about him and the work he does for others...but I do however disagree with him on several issues.
You do the best you can with what you have.
Not everyone at MU is Catholic. And, many theology classes cover many other religions. More and more Catholic institutions are becoming more secular. People can disagree or agree with that, a whole other topic, but it is true.
Notre Dame's Catholic faculty dropped like a rocket the past few decades to name one example.
The education and value of education takes precedent over beliefs in every Catholic Doctrine to many people. I believe in the strengths of a Jesuit education. And I treat every person individually that I come across, whether it is Fr. Wild or a random student.
Just because I am at a Marquette board, doesn't mean I agree with every single thing the people at Marquette say or think. ...because many of those people hold conflicting views with one another. ...and even sometimes even within themselves.
I don't think it would be "right" or fair of me to label all Catholics the same, or all priests the same, or all Marquette students the same.....etc...
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FWIW, I find it interesting that some North Side fans get up in arms over Ozzie's use of a derogatory term, yet spent more than a decade worshipping a wife beating/steroid injecting/bat corking outfielder. One man's saint is another man's scoundrel, I suppose.
That is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard. I am not a Sammy Sosa fan, I was never a fan even when he was on the Cubs but to accuse him of those things is ludicrious. Yes he corked his bat and it was a huge black-eye for the Cubs Organization, MLB and Sosa, he has not been the same since, but that and your despise for him does not excuse you calling him a wife beater or a steroid injector. Sosa has never so much as been indicted for steroid use, you can speculate all you want but his name has never even come up in any formal trial of any type. And a wife beater? no way. Please substantiate this
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That is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard. I am not a Sammy Sosa fan, I was never a fan even when he was on the Cubs but to accuse him of those things is ludicrious. Yes he corked his bat and it was a huge black-eye for the Cubs Organization, MLB and Sosa, he has not been the same since, but that and your despise for him does not excuse you calling him a wife beater or a steroid injector. Sosa has never so much as been indicted for steroid use, you can speculate all you want but his name has never even come up in any formal trial of any type. And a wife beater? no way. Please substantiate this
Spousal abuse:
"Problems dogged Sosa off the field as well. That winter, he was accused of viciously beating his wife after she refused to grant him a divorce. "
http://www.baseballlibrary.com/baseballlibrary/ballplayers/S/Sosa_Sammy.stm
Steroids:
You're correct that Sammy sosa has never been indicted for steroid use. Neither has Jose Canseco, Barry Bonds or any of the 16 players suspended by major-league baseball for testing positive for performance-enhancing drugs. I think whether someone has been indicted is irrelevant to the discussion.
If you want to believe Sammy Sosa's growth from a 185-pound speedster who hit 33 home runs in about 600 at bats in 1993 to a 235-pound hulk who hit twice as many dingers just five years later was all natural, thats your pergoative. If you want to believe it's mere coincidence that this amazing transformation occurred at the same time several other players - some of them admitted steroid users - underwent similar growth spurts, that's your choice. Perhaps it's all an unlukcy coincidence for Sammy. I tend to think not.
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Frank Thomas, Albert Belle, Robin Ventura came up once in a deposition, but was later cleared.
Baseball in 90s-early 00s was steriods. Many players did it, it's in the past now though.
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If you take a realistic look at the world, yes, it is more "acceptable" to make 'homophobic' remarks than racist or sexual remarks.
Not defending what Ozzie said, although Jay Marriotti is the biggest turd in sports journalism, but the word that Ozzie used is a commonplace term in sports.
Ozzie Guillen calling Jay Marriotti a "f*g" didn't have anything to do with sexuality. The word has taken on many meanings over the years. Even if Ozzie meant it in reference to homosexuals, that makes him tactless or insensitive, but not homophobic.
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It doesn't matter what it means now. "cute one" is a derogatory term against homosexuals, he used it, he's in the spotlight, he's a disgrace.
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Very well stated Big Sky. Some of the friendliest fans I've met have been at conference tournaments in Louisville and Memphis in the last six years.
BTW Pakuni, there are some Cubs fans who absolutely despise Sosa, too. Count me among them.
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#21 will never hang from a foul pole at Wrigley. Unless Jason Marquis finished out his career with 5 straight CY Young Awards.
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#21 will never hang from a foul pole at Wrigley. Unless Jason Marquis finished out his career with 5 straight CY Young Awards.
Just wait until the weather warms, and Marquis stops listening. He couldn't work with Mazzoni nor Duncan...he is a matter of time. So far he is living on borrowed time. But that will change pretty soon.
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I don't think you got the Sammy Sosa #21 to Marquis #21 connection on Cubs fans not happy with Sammy Sosa.
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Not that I really trust Larry Rothschild or put that much faith in him, but he did express a lot of interest and clearly said that he wanted Marquis after working out with him in Florida. I don't see Marquis keeping this pace, but you gotta think that Rothschild saw something in Marquis, maybe something that he could fix and Mazzone and Duncan couldn't. Either way he was signed to be the Cubs 4th or 5th starter that could eat up innings and stay healthy...he's done that and way more.
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Also, I don't really hate the Sox team that much, I don't really mind any of the players besides Pierzynski, but man Sox fans kill me. I don't know what is it about them, but they have this certain arrogance to them that just really rubs me the wrong way.
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It doesn't matter what it means now. "cute one" is a derogatory term against homosexuals, he used it, he's in the spotlight, he's a disgrace.
It's really unfortunate because Marriotti is a jagoff, not a cute one. Too bad Ozzie used the wrong descriptive nouns.
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I don't think you got the Sammy Sosa #21 to Marquis #21 connection on Cubs fans not happy with Sammy Sosa.
No, I know the connection, nd Cub fans lack of fandom for Sosa. But I also know Cub fans were huge fans of Sammy don't call me Sam Sosa for many years.
Marquis...to the other poster....I'll take the track record of Mazzoni and Duncan over Rothschild any day of the week.
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How does it make Brewer fans feel they haven't played a team over .500 at the time of the game and only one of their opponents are now better than .500?
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Also, I don't really hate the Sox team that much, I don't really mind any of the players besides Pierzynski, but man Sox fans kill me. I don't know what is it about them, but they have this certain arrogance to them that just really rubs me the wrong way.
Growing up in Illinois, I never had a problem with Sox fans, because the only one I ever encountered during my first 18 years of life was my grandma.
Even today, the only exposure I have to Sox fans is on Chicago sports radio. I do sense a bit of revisionist history in their conversations. It reminds me of many Badger fans who talk about Badgers sports like they have been one of the best programs in the country for their entire existence, simply ignoring virtually their entire existence before about 1990.
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How does it make Brewer fans feel they haven't played a team over .500 at the time of the game and only one of their opponents are now better than .500?
Hey, they've won the games they should have won. Wish I could say the same for the Cubs. It's a long season though. Looking forward to an exciting division race.
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How does it make Brewer fans feel they haven't played a team over .500 at the time of the game and only one of their opponents are now better than .500?
Pretty good seeing as how they have the best record in the majors. The Brewers don't make the schedule they just play the games on it. Milwaukee is winning the games they are supposed to.
Also, the Cubs haven't exactly played the roughest schedule either, 2 series against winning teams to the Brewers 1. The difference is the Brewers have beat the bad teams on a regular basis while the Cubs have not.
The upcoming schedule will show if the Brewers are for real or not: @NYM, @Phi, vs. Min, @LAD, @SD, vs. ATL.
I will feel pretty good if they go something like 4-2 or 3-2-1 in these series.
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Guess we pretty much said the same thing Hans
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Pakuni, those predictions were from the beginning of the season right? These playoff predictors are updated everyday. Last year when the Cubs played well in April, the playoff predictors said they would fall, which they did. You can also check the predictions with both ELO and PECOTA.
Always nice to see another sabr fan around. BP gets annoying at time, as some of the writers (in my opinion) tend to write with an arrogant tone, but I still love the work they do. Ditto The Hardball Times. Lots of good baseball blogs/sites on the net these days, that's for sure.
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One more thing--
As a Sox fan, can I dislike Ozzie not for the crap that comes out of his mouth, but for his in-game managing decisions? Like, yesterday for example, intentionally walking Nick Punto and later in the game pitching to Justin Morneau with Jeff Cirillo on deck (although, to be fair, there were runners on first and second, but I'd still rather pitch to Cirillo with the bases loaded). Or, worse yet, for his love of Scott Podsednik, quite possibly the worst everyday LFer in all of baseball?
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That's fine with me Keith! ;D
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I can honestly say I was happy with Sosa's overall play with the Cubs twice in 13 years, in 1998 and 2001. Sosa is the most one-dimensional BB player I've ever seen. He was as awful a defender and baserunner as I've ever seen. 66 home runs can be easily mitigated by missing about 132 cut-off men, misplaying about 132 fly balls and getting picked off about 132 times in the same season.
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Marquis...not bad complete game shutout
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Marquis...not bad complete game shutout
Good for Jason, but it won't last....he's done this before. 6 month season, not one.
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Marquis...not bad complete game shutout
Good for Jason, but it won't last....he's done this before. 6 month season, not one.
Looking at split stats, Jason has actually never pitched this well before in his career.
What he has done in his career though is start off ptiching good, and finished even better. In 2003, 2004, and 2005 Marquis started his first seven games off strong posting ERAs lower than the low 3s. He finished those seasons off with a an ERA variating no more than 20 points +/- his first seven games.
The only year he didn't do well was 2006, and he didn't start off well. After his first seven games he had an ERA of 6, ended with an ERA of 6.
So Jason's history would tell us that when Marquis starts out well, he ends up having a pretty good season. Right now he's off to the best start of his career, with an ERA of 1.70. I wouldn't even be mad is his ERA blooms 150 points by the end of the season.
So if Marquis falls apart, then I was wrong, but looking at his history there's no evidence in Marquis career, that would say he would fall apart after a few really good months.
And looking at history, he second half of the season is better than his first half.
Marquis is turning out to be one of the best pitching signings of the offseason.
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Marquis has a history of doing well part of the time, but he has a long history of not listening to instruction. It's one month into the season, ...I know you are a Cubs fan but I'll let the seasonplay out. Two highly successful organizations the past 10 years much more so than the Cubs, with much better staff than the Cubs didn't want him for a reason. Hopefully he does well, I don't really care either way, ...but I wouldn'tbet on this continuing for the entire season.
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And looking at history, he second half of the season is better than his first half.
not true.
Marquis' ERA in 2H of 06 was higher than 1H -- the league hit .321 against him after the All Star Game last year and his WHIP was better than 1.600, getting far worse in the 2H of the season. Abominable. Same with 05, he stunk late ....04 was the aberration -- ERAs were nearly even pre and post break, largely because WHIP was under control. For his career he's a below average pitcher. he's overachieving now.
Sell!
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After starting the season, Marquis in 05 was very similar to to Marquis in the end of 05.
Who's to say 04 was the irregular year? I think 06 was.
Either way, I'd rather have Marquis than Schmidt or Zito right now.
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After starting the season, Marquis in 05 was very similar to to Marquis in the end of 05.
Who's to say 04 was the irregular year? I think 06 was.
Either way, I'd rather have Marquis than Schmidt or Zito right now.
Marquis has only had 2 yrs in his 7yr career where his WHIP was less than 1.4 -- which is rotten, to be kind (and he's never been better than 1.3+ anyway, which still blows). He's only had 2 yrs where his ERA was better than 4.00. In fact, for most of his career (four of his seven seasons) he's finished a given year with an ERA north of 5.00! His career ERA is higher than the league average since he joined the majors.
He has disgusting career numbers.
Maybe this will be his career year, who knows........but his track record suggests his effectiveness will wane substantially.
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How does it make Brewer fans feel they haven't played a team over .500 at the time of the game and only one of their opponents are now better than .500?
How does it feel to invest $300 million in the off-season and barely keep a .500 record?
Who are the fans going to blame this season on now that Dusty is gone?
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How does it make Brewer fans feel they haven't played a team over .500 at the time of the game and only one of their opponents are now better than .500?
How does it feel to invest $300 million in the off-season and barely keep a .500 record?
Who are the fans going to blame this season on now that Dusty is gone?
The only people who care about huge payrolls are people in smaller markets. Big markets can throw out money, and have busts and do it again over and over. Doesn't always guarantee success or failure....but can be done any time.
Cubs fans don't care about how much is spent, they just want to win. Same with many other markets. They don't care about the payroll.
Making smart decisions, good management....whole other stories. Sometimes there are better cheaper values and sometimes the big spend is a good value/decision.
Only small market teams get interested and excited about the financial failures of big markets. Not much of a big deal to the big markets.
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How does it make Brewer fans feel they haven't played a team over .500 at the time of the game and only one of their opponents are now better than .500?
How does it feel to invest $300 million in the off-season and barely keep a .500 record?
Who are the fans going to blame this season on now that Dusty is gone?
Cubs fans don't care about how much is spent, they just want to win. Same with many other markets. They don't care about the payroll.
The fact that "Cubs fan" keep going to Wrigley when they lose year after year (decade after decade?) is proof that winning is not that important to them. 80% of "Cubs fans" are really Wrigley Field fans. I know very, very few fans of the Chicago Cubs baseball team. Most people go to games at Wrigley Field for the sunshine and beer. Which is fine, it's a good time if that's what you are looking for as a baseball experience. But they obviously care very little about winning.
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Cubs fans don't care about how much is spent, they just want to win. Same with many other markets. They don't care about the payroll.
So you're telling me that fans are fine with the Cubs spending whatever they want on their payroll, and in turn increase ticket and concession prices to cover the costs?
That might work if your team is winning championships, but the Cubs are not the Yankees.
Sounds like I would need to take a few stupid pills if I ever wanted to be a fan.
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"80% are Wrigley Field fans." I'm no Cubs fan but that is ridiculous. There's a large portion of fans at every major league ballpark who are there for the fun and sun. It's entertainment for them. I know plenty of Cubs fans who are every bit the baseball fan as fans in New York, Boston etc. Yes, the bleachers are filled with idiots but take a look at the season ticket holders or the people along the the first and third baselines. I see more older people keeping score at those games than in most ballparks. You can be both a Wrigley Field fan and a Cub fan. I love the argument that Cub fans don't care about baseball because they show up when they are horrible. That line of thinking must mean the Tampa Bay Devil Rays are the best fans around. The team stinks so the fans don't show up-what great fans.
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What happens when 25000 Cubs fans fill Miller Park then? Just there to experience an airplane hangar turned baseball stadium...or... did they travel to see the team they love?
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What happens when 25000 Cubs fans fill Miller Park then? Just there to experience an airplane hangar turned baseball stadium...or... did they travel to see the team they love?
They want to watch a game without the fear of concrete hitting them on their head and the smell of Special Ex doesn't linger.
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Cubs this year still only have th 8th highest payroll in the league and its under 100 Million. Why should a fan care how much a team spends, its not my money and I want to see the best team possible. Also, with some of the other signings this off season especially with pitching Lilly and Marquis thus far seem to be pretty good signings.
The whole "Wrigley Field Fan" argument is dumb. Any team is gonna have people at games that don't really care about the games. As a Marquette student its unbelievable to see how many kids go to Miller Park just to tailgate and get crapfaced and hardly see any of the game. Its entertainment and its fun as hell, you can't blame them. Just like Wrigley Field. With any team, any sport there are gonna be your fans that are die hard and the ones that couldn't care less.
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"80% are Wrigley Field fans." I'm no Cubs fan but that is ridiculous. There's a large portion of fans at every major league ballpark who are there for the fun and sun. It's entertainment for them. I know plenty of Cubs fans who are every bit the baseball fan as fans in New York, Boston etc. Yes, the bleachers are filled with idiots but take a look at the season ticket holders or the people along the the first and third baselines. I see more older people keeping score at those games than in most ballparks. You can be both a Wrigley Field fan and a Cub fan. I love the argument that Cub fans don't care about baseball because they show up when they are horrible. That line of thinking must mean the Tampa Bay Devil Rays are the best fans around. The team stinks so the fans don't show up-what great fans.
I didn't say there weren't Cubs fans, just that most of the people who call themselves "Cubs fans" really mean they like the Wrigley Field experience. Which is totally cool. You can't fault them for it. And I totally agree that many people at any given ballpark are there for the fun and sun. My point is just that with the Cubs its just more pronounced and that's why many of them could care less about the score.
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What happens when 25000 Cubs fans fill Miller Park then? Just there to experience an airplane hangar turned baseball stadium...or... did they travel to see the team they love?
Bingo.
More Cubs fans show up at Miller Park for a Cubs game than Brewer fans for a Brewer game.
Maybe we are just showing our love of Miller Park. Wait we can't get sunshine because your roof is usually broke.
Brewers fans, who you crappin?
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Bingo.
More Cubs fans show up at Miller Park for a Cubs game than Brewer fans for a Brewer game.
Maybe we are just showing our love of Miller Park. Wait we can't get sunshine because your roof is usually broke.
Brewers fans, who you crappin?
Wow, Cubs fans can't let go of the past. Your comment "might" have made sense a couple of seasons ago, but not any more. The Brewers fans are coming out in larger numbers than before. In fact, I've seen quite a few Cubs hats and shirts in the stands when the Brewers were not playing the Cubs. It seems like these Cubs fans decided they want to watch a real team this season.
And nice try trying to take a cheap shot at the stadium. I guess you when you can't talk up your team, you need to be creative.
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who cares?!?!? Its time to pee, Brewers fans. In an unprecedented sign of solidarity--or insanity--1,000+ Brewers fans have committed to wet themselves if Milwaukee ends its 24-year playoff drought this year:
http://www.peeyourpantsforthebrewers.com/
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Damn - I signed up this morning and was around number 525.
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who cares?!?!? Its time to pee, Brewers fans. In an unprecedented sign of solidarity--or insanity--1,000+ Brewers fans have committed to wet themselves if Milwaukee ends its 24-year playoff drought this year:
http://www.peeyourpantsforthebrewers.com/
Good God that is funny. That and the proctology deal they had the other day at Miller Park....you can't make this stuff up.
They sure are playing well right now.
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They sure are playing well right now.
yes they are ..... but the Brewers have only played one team with a winning record (Dodgers). We'll learn alot about the Brewers in the next month. I think they run away and hide in the Central.
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Wrigley Field started to become a destination after WGN and Harry Caray. As many recall Wrigley wasn't so packed all the time, at that time, and the neighborhood was a bit different too.
Speaking of WGN, money does matter, TV Revenue matters a great deal. It is a large reason why the Yankees can do what they do, and the Cubs.
As long as people keep going to games, the Cubs can charge whatever they want, and housing costs in the neighborhood have gone way up and way overpriced the past 10 years. You have 8 million in the metro, and all of those Iowa people from the minor league affiliate, not to mention many national people who grew up with WGN when it was the only game on....prices for games have gone way way up. But enough of a combo of people still go from all of these places.
The Cubs don't have to be good for people to go....it was not always that way for them. Attendance was not always like this. It's also why they keep the park where it is even though it needs drastic renovations.
All of those suburban people....takes an hour to get in to the city and an hour to get out of city....a pain on weekdays. (I've never understood why anyone in Chicago would ever live West of 294 but that's another story. If answer is cost, might as well move to another metro area if you want to live in burbs) ...those people flock to Milwaukee because it is easier for traffic, cheaper for tickets...and also the many Chicagoans who moved to Milwaukee for cheaper costs, less traffic and higher quality of life. Not much more of a drive fro Milwaukee to Wrigley, might as well live closer to a city with less hassles. Unless you are livingin or near the city of Chicago, I don't understand the appeal. And plenty of Chicagoans feel that way in live in or near Milwaukee.
There are good any bad fans everywhere. Obviously there are some differences if you took your kids to a NY Giants game or a Tennessee Titans game. etc...
Cubs have a big mixture of neghborhood post-college kids looking for the aprty and opposite sex, traditional family generational fans, corporate weasels, and more.
Milwaukee is getting more fans going to games, and they should(despite the ridiculous location of the park and the way it was built) It's a cheap ticket, among cheapest in the league. They still have the tailgaters going in at 4th ining, and others who don't know much about baseball, and others who do....growing up without winning makes the numbers less. But there are good apples too.
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The Brewers will contend all season, but I don't think they will run away and hide from everyone in the division. That I don't see. They'll have to fight hard late in season for playoffs.
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I forgot, let's all rip Cubs fans because they don't pay attention to the game, while Miller Park is empty because all the drunks are still in ther parking lot.
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They sure are playing well right now.
yes they are ..... but the Brewers have only played one team with a winning record (Dodgers). We'll learn alot about the Brewers in the next month. I think they run away and hide in the Central.
apparently you haven't looked at the Brewers schedule they have played so far... the past 20 some games before the Washington series was all against the NL Central... so, even though they are playing not the "best teams" you said, they have played all teams in their division. From April 13th to May 6th, nothing but NL Central teams. What does that say, that they are FAR better than the Cardinals, Cubs, Astros, Reds and Pirates.
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I don't know Big Sky. That division is bad-real bad. Pirates and Reds have no chance. Astros have nothing after Oswalt in the rotation. Wandy Rodriquez? Cardinals without Carpenter have no chance. IMO, the Cubs are the only other team that can contend. I do like the Cubs pitching but that lineup is apt to struggle. Too many guys who strike out a ton. I'm not convinced the Brew Crew is a juggernaut either but that division is putrid.
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I fully expect to see the Brewers run away with the division.
I fully expect to see JJ Hardy as the best hitter/slugger in the NL.
I fully expect to see Cappy, Suppan, and Bush all contend for the NL Cy Young.
I fully expect to see Johnny Estrad to have his best year along with Prince Fielder, Ricky Weeks, and Geoff Jenkins.
I fully expect to continue to see Prince Fielder round the bases with disgusting Skoal stain across his jersey as he will hit 65 home runs this year.
I fully expected with all of these expectations that Brewers still average under 25k a game.
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apparently you haven't looked at the Brewers schedule they have played so far... the past 20 some games before the Washington series was all against the NL Central... so, even though they are playing not the "best teams" you said, they have played all teams in their division. From April 13th to May 6th, nothing but NL Central teams. What does that say, that they are FAR better than the Cardinals, Cubs, Astros, Reds and Pirates.
Not sure what your point is, Tony. Let's recap
It is a fact that the Brewers have only played one team with a winning record. I pointed out that we'll learn more about them in the coming month (which is likely true given that the Mets, Dodgers, Tigers, Twins, and Braves are coming up). I also pointed out that I think they'll run away with the division (which demonstrates that I think they are 'FAR better than the Cardinals, Cubs, Astros, Reds and Pirates' as well).
BTW, I never said the Brewers have not yet played the "best teams".
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Not sure if you're referring to me or Mayor McCheese since you copied his post. Anyhoo, I agree with you. We'll find out a lot about the Brewers over the next few weeks but even if they struggle a bit I think they have a real shot to win that division going away. I'm actually a die hard Red Sox fan who lives in Milwaukee. I do cheer for the Brew Crew and consider them my favorite NL team but I bleed Red Sox. The first month and a half of the season have been pretty darn fun.
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I don't know Big Sky. That division is bad-real bad. Pirates and Reds have no chance. Astros have nothing after Oswalt in the rotation. Wandy Rodriquez? Cardinals without Carpenter have no chance. IMO, the Cubs are the only other team that can contend. I do like the Cubs pitching but that lineup is apt to struggle. Too many guys who strike out a ton. I'm not convinced the Brew Crew is a juggernaut either but that division is putrid.
I'd agree it isn't a strong division. I don't think the Astros, Cardinals and Cubs shouldn't be counted out just yet. All have holes and issues, as do the Brewers. Carpenter is not out for the season...if he pitches the last two months of season as expected, and Mulder is injury free as expected, that helps them. Their questions are leadoff hitter and one more outfielder with extra base power. They'll have to add those. They add people every year seemingly, so I will wait and see with them and what they do. But they won't have their 100 win teams of recent years of course. If the Astros can keep competitive starting pitching, they'll be around, regardless of offense, and that is picking up for them,.. and the Cubs will need some starting pitching to compete later in season. Don't like the up the middle portion of the Cubs for a full season. I like the Brewers this year especially based on the competition's issues this season...but I don't think they are good enough just yet to run away with anything.
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The important thing to remember is that no matter how bad the division is, the Brewers are winning against the teams they need to beat. Even if they struggle a little bit in May, they'll just rebound when they play in their division again.
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How does it make Brewer fans feel they haven't played a team over .500 at the time of the game and only one of their opponents are now better than .500?
How does it feel to invest $300 million in the off-season and barely keep a .500 record?
Who are the fans going to blame this season on now that Dusty is gone?
Cubs fans don't care about how much is spent, they just want to win. Same with many other markets. They don't care about the payroll.
The fact that "Cubs fan" keep going to Wrigley when they lose year after year (decade after decade?) is proof that winning is not that important to them. 80% of "Cubs fans" are really Wrigley Field fans. I know very, very few fans of the Chicago Cubs baseball team. Most people go to games at Wrigley Field for the sunshine and beer. Which is fine, it's a good time if that's what you are looking for as a baseball experience. But they obviously care very little about winning.
Hence if Wrigley Field goes, so do the fans of the "Lovable Losers"
I became a White Sox fan even though I was from the Northside because "Lovable Losers" was what Cubs Nation and the Marketing departments always tried to push down their throats. I have never once heard about any White Sox Curse or anythign like that even though they had almost the same Championship Droughts.
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What does that say, that they are FAR better than the Cardinals, Cubs, Astros, Reds and Pirates.
The Cubs are 3-3 vs the Brewers, I would not call that "FAR better"
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If 80% of Cub fans at Wrigley Field are not "real" Cub fans? How do you explain that they were 5th last in year in road attendance percentage? This was in a year, that they were AWFUL from May on.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/attendance?sort=away_pct&year=2006&seasonType=2
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I fully expect to see the Brewers run away with the division.
I fully expect to see JJ Hardy as the best hitter/slugger in the NL.
I fully expect to see Cappy, Suppan, and Bush all contend for the NL Cy Young.
I fully expect to see Johnny Estrad to have his best year along with Prince Fielder, Ricky Weeks, and Geoff Jenkins.
I fully expect to continue to see Prince Fielder round the bases with disgusting Skoal stain across his jersey as he will hit 65 home runs this year.
I fully expected with all of these expectations that Brewers still average under 25k a game.
I expect much of this to occur except for the last one. I went to the game against the Nationals on Wednesday, a day game. There were over 24,000 people in the park. for a day game at Miller Park during the week. This has not been a common occurance for the Crew in recent history at all and if they can go .500 on the road during this tough stretch coming up and win their home series, the attendance averages this year for the Brewers will be closer to 30,000 than under 25k.
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I fully expect to see the Brewers run away with the division.
I fully expect to see JJ Hardy as the best hitter/slugger in the NL.
I fully expect to see Cappy, Suppan, and Bush all contend for the NL Cy Young.
I fully expect to see Johnny Estrad to have his best year along with Prince Fielder, Ricky Weeks, and Geoff Jenkins.
I fully expect to continue to see Prince Fielder round the bases with disgusting Skoal stain across his jersey as he will hit 65 home runs this year.
I fully expected with all of these expectations that Brewers still average under 25k a game.
I expect much of this to occur except for the last one. I went to the game against the Nationals on Wednesday, a day game. There were over 24,000 people in the park. for a day game at Miller Park during the week. This has not been a common occurance for the Crew in recent history at all and if they can go .500 on the road during this tough stretch coming up and win their home series, the attendance averages this year for the Brewers will be closer to 30,000 than under 25k.
And I thought White Sox fans tended to be unrealistic.
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I fully expect to see the Brewers run away with the division.
I fully expect to see JJ Hardy as the best hitter/slugger in the NL.
I fully expect to see Cappy, Suppan, and Bush all contend for the NL Cy Young.
I fully expect to see Johnny Estrad to have his best year along with Prince Fielder, Ricky Weeks, and Geoff Jenkins.
I fully expect to continue to see Prince Fielder round the bases with disgusting Skoal stain across his jersey as he will hit 65 home runs this year.
I fully expected with all of these expectations that Brewers still average under 25k a game.
I expect much of this to occur except for the last one. I went to the game against the Nationals on Wednesday, a day game. There were over 24,000 people in the park. for a day game at Miller Park during the week. This has not been a common occurance for the Crew in recent history at all and if they can go .500 on the road during this tough stretch coming up and win their home series, the attendance averages this year for the Brewers will be closer to 30,000 than under 25k.
And I thought White Sox fans tended to be unrealistic.
You are obviously clueless. Last year the Crew averaged 28,835. This year, the Crew are already well ahead of pace in ticket sales of last year. The Crew are currently averaging 29,368 and as every informed baseball fan knows attendance only goes up once school lets out.
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If 80% of Cub fans at Wrigley Field are not "real" Cub fans? How do you explain that they were 5th last in year in road attendance percentage? This was in a year, that they were AWFUL from May on.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/attendance?sort=away_pct&year=2006&seasonType=2
Last time I checked the sCrUBS played their home games at Wrigley not their road games. ???
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Inflated averages by far.
The Brewers have to giveaway more to get fans into the stadium. Show me 25000 on weekday with the Pirates in town without a giveaway or a 1/2price sale. Then I'll be impressed, but still 17000 behind the Cubs.
Must suck to have to rely on school getting out for attendance inside the inoperating airplane hangar.
And I believe the point with road attendace is that Cubs fans are everywhere, and go to see them everywhere, not just filling up Miller Park every series. And since Cubs fans are everywhere, they aren't just Wrigley Field fans.
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Inflated averages by far.
The Brewers have to giveaway more to get fans into the stadium. Show me 25000 on weekday with the Pirates in town without a giveaway or a 1/2price sale. Then I'll be impressed.
Must suck to have to rely on school getting out for attendance inside the inoperating airplane hangar.
you really seem to be reaching.
by the way, last wednesday during the day there were 24,658 to see the worst team in baseball.
i also dont get the airplane comment. if you said iron vagina - i would get it.
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Inflated averages by far.
The Brewers have to giveaway more to get fans into the stadium. Show me 25000 on weekday with the Pirates in town without a giveaway or a 1/2price sale. Then I'll be impressed.
Must suck to have to rely on school getting out for attendance inside the inoperating airplane hangar.
you really seem to be reaching.
by the way, last wednesday during the day there were 24,658 to see the worst team in baseball.
i also dont get the airplane comment. if you said iron vagina - i would get it.
1.) Iron Vagina, that's hilarious. Very impressed.
2.) I always thought from the Southeast side it just looked like an airplane hangar.
3.) The Brewers have more giveaways than Marquette Basketball. Bobblehead Fridays are sellouts when other Fridays aren't. Free tickets for Brewer games are everywhere, 1/2 price tickets are common, $1 hot dogs days. For people ripping Wrigley for people there to be at Wrigley, there are plenty of people going for their bobblehead, cheap food, or because it was a sale.
Also, last Wednesday was this:
Free Prostate Cancer Screenings
7:00am - 3:00pm - Free Prostate Cancer Screenings at Miller Park (northeast corner of ballpark near Friday's). All men who receive a Prostate Cancer Screening that day will receive two free tickets to a future Milwaukee Brewers game. No appointment necessary. Free and Confidential.
Sponsored by Froedtert & the Medical College of Wisconsin
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The point on road attendance is that the Cubs are popular everywhere, not just Wrigley Field. I used last year as an example because the Cubs were AWFUL last year, with their best player on the DL for most of the season. Still fans came out for the 6th best road percentage in baseball.
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Cubs this year still only have th 8th highest payroll in the league and its under 100 Million.
That's most certainly not true. The Cubs are well over a $100 million dollar payroll.
http://www.hardballdollars.com/wiki/wikka.php?wakka=Cubs07
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Chicago is the 3rd largest city. Many people relocate to it and from it.(Jan-May weather is awful). And many people grew up watching it on WGN nationally, when it was one of few games on nationally. I would expect the Cubs to be in top road attendance every year. The Cubs should only be comapred to the largest market teams, or teams with large followings like the Yankees, Cardinals, Red Sox, etc...when it comes to road or home attendance. The Cubs also have the longest running radio affiliate in baseball, WGN Radio...other teams have switched over the years. Comparing Cubs money, attendance, etc...with the Brewers is silly and ignorant.
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Inflated averages by far.
The Brewers have to giveaway more to get fans into the stadium. Show me 25000 on weekday with the Pirates in town without a giveaway or a 1/2price sale. Then I'll be impressed.
Must suck to have to rely on school getting out for attendance inside the inoperating airplane hangar.
you really seem to be reaching.
by the way, last wednesday during the day there were 24,658 to see the worst team in baseball.
i also dont get the airplane comment. if you said iron vagina - i would get it.
1.) Iron Vagina, that's hilarious. Very impressed.
2.) I always thought from the Southeast side it just looked like an airplane hangar.
3.) The Brewers have more giveaways than Marquette Basketball. Bobblehead Fridays are sellouts when other Fridays aren't. Free tickets for Brewer games are everywhere, 1/2 price tickets are common, $1 hot dogs days. For people ripping Wrigley for people there to be at Wrigley, there are plenty of people going for their bobblehead, cheap food, or because it was a sale.
Also, last Wednesday was this:
Free Prostate Cancer Screenings
7:00am - 3:00pm - Free Prostate Cancer Screenings at Miller Park (northeast corner of ballpark near Friday's). All men who receive a Prostate Cancer Screening that day will receive two free tickets to a future Milwaukee Brewers game. No appointment necessary. Free and Confidential.
Sponsored by Froedtert & the Medical College of Wisconsin
every friday they giveaway a bobblehead... so every friday is a sellout then... sorry that the Brewers like to give back to their fans, instead of the Cubs who just steal your money to over pay average players (see Jacque Jones, Juan Pierre(when he was there))
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Cubs this year still only have th 8th highest payroll in the league and its under 100 Million.
That's most certainly not true. The Cubs are well over a $100 million dollar payroll.
http://www.hardballdollars.com/wiki/wikka.php?wakka=Cubs07
ESPN has the Cubs at $99mil
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/teams/salaries?team=chc
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Multiple things going on here. First, ESPN's figures are only for players on the 26 man roster. So, Mark Prior's nearly $3.6 million salary this year, and others such as Glendan Rusch etc...are getting paid not on that list.
Also, depends on contracts....i.e....Marquis is getting $21 million over 3 years...but not sure how much it is counting his first year. Soriano made $10 million last year, and his salary was listed as $10 million this year by ESPN, when I am almost certain he gets a big number up front, way higher than $10 million...his contract averages $17 million per year....and the numbers will very year to year over 8 years totaling $136 million. But I believe he is getting $17 million this year, not the $10 million he received last season. ....and so on....not all of those guys have big backloaded deals.
The Cubs are paying a LOT of $$. Nothing wrong with it, well within the current rules, but they are in the upper echelon of payrolls.
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Cubs this year still only have th 8th highest payroll in the league and its under 100 Million.
That's most certainly not true. The Cubs are well over a $100 million dollar payroll.
http://www.hardballdollars.com/wiki/wikka.php?wakka=Cubs07
ESPN has the Cubs at $99mil
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/teams/salaries?team=chc
Yeah, ESPN is wrong and outdated. Soriano is making upwards of $17 million per year, Aramis is making $15 (he signed for 5/$75 this winter), and Lilly is also wrong. Those payroll numbers they have are from last year. A lot of those guys are making 500k-1 million more due to raises in arbitration.
Funny enough, the White Sox are nowhere near $109 million. That's mainly because they have Thome making $15 million -- that part is true, but the Sox are only on the hook for about $7 million of that per year. They also might still be getting a couple million from Arizona for Vazquez, although I'm not sure about that...
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Cubs this year still only have th 8th highest payroll in the league and its under 100 Million.
That's most certainly not true. The Cubs are well over a $100 million dollar payroll.
http://www.hardballdollars.com/wiki/wikka.php?wakka=Cubs07
ESPN has the Cubs at $99mil
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/teams/salaries?team=chc
Yeah, ESPN is wrong and outdated. Soriano is making upwards of $17 million per year, Aramis is making $15 (he signed for 5/$75 this winter), and Lilly is also wrong. Those payroll numbers they have are from last year. A lot of those guys are making 500k-1 million more due to raises in arbitration.
Funny enough, the White Sox are nowhere near $109 million. That's mainly because they have Thome making $15 million -- that part is true, but the Sox are only on the hook for about $7 million of that per year. They also might still be getting a couple million from Arizona for Vazquez, although I'm not sure about that...
Just because a guy signs for 5 years $75 million for example doesn'tmean he will get $15 million each season. That can be priced out in many ways...but it will total that amount. Some guys get bigmoney upfront or backloaded or restructure so other guys can be signed. If what I read is correct, Ramirez is getting $13 million this year...but yes generally speaking his deal will pay $75 million when it is finished.
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Inflated averages by far.
The Brewers have to giveaway more to get fans into the stadium. Show me 25000 on weekday with the Pirates in town without a giveaway or a 1/2price sale. Then I'll be impressed.
Must suck to have to rely on school getting out for attendance inside the inoperating airplane hangar.
you really seem to be reaching.
by the way, last wednesday during the day there were 24,658 to see the worst team in baseball.
i also dont get the airplane comment. if you said iron vagina - i would get it.
1.) Iron Vagina, that's hilarious. Very impressed.
2.) I always thought from the Southeast side it just looked like an airplane hangar.
3.) The Brewers have more giveaways than Marquette Basketball. Bobblehead Fridays are sellouts when other Fridays aren't. Free tickets for Brewer games are everywhere, 1/2 price tickets are common, $1 hot dogs days. For people ripping Wrigley for people there to be at Wrigley, there are plenty of people going for their bobblehead, cheap food, or because it was a sale.
Also, last Wednesday was this:
Free Prostate Cancer Screenings
7:00am - 3:00pm - Free Prostate Cancer Screenings at Miller Park (northeast corner of ballpark near Friday's). All men who receive a Prostate Cancer Screening that day will receive two free tickets to a future Milwaukee Brewers game. No appointment necessary. Free and Confidential.
Sponsored by Froedtert & the Medical College of Wisconsin
So you are saying you are for prostate cancer. you sob!
watch for falling concrete
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Most of the new contracts signed by the Cubs are backloaded. I don't know specifics on anybody, but they are.
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one of the better articles I have read about the Brewers and what might be just as important as their record
http://www.madison.com/wsj/home/sports/index.php?ntid=134007&ntpid=1
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USA Today also has the Cubs under 100 Million, thats where i got my number. People trying to take shots at Wrigley Field is pathetic, best stadium in baseball hands down. I'd rather get hit with concrete at Wrigley than sit in an aircraft carrier with fireworks and dumbass promotions every half inning and little kids announcing the lineup, god that gets annoying. Also, I like seeing a baseball game outside when its 55 degrees out in the spring or fall, no need for the roof then unless its raining.
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USA Today also has the Cubs under 100 Million, thats where i got my number. People trying to take shots at Wrigley Field is pathetic, best stadium in baseball hands down. I'd rather get hit with concrete at Wrigley than sit in an aircraft carrier with fireworks and dumbass promotions every half inning and little kids announcing the lineup, god that gets annoying. Also, I like seeing a baseball game outside when its 55 degrees out in the spring or fall, no need for the roof then unless its raining.
little kids announcing players is annoying? do you not have a soul, oh wait, your a Cubs fan, its answered...
thats annoying, but a celebrity singing Take Me Out to the Ballgame, disgracing the game and Harey Carey is fine? That needs to stop in my mind, when you have Jeff Gordon calling Wrigley Field, Wrigley Stadium, yup, classy. Or how bout others who don't sing the song correctly, thats fine, its in historical Wrigley Field, but kids getting the chance to pronounce players names, at, by all means a children's sport, is wrong. Let me guess, on Sunday's when Miller Park lets the children run the bases after the game is over is annoying and wrong as well. My goodness
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USA Today also has the Cubs under 100 Million, thats where i got my number. People trying to take shots at Wrigley Field is pathetic, best stadium in baseball hands down. I'd rather get hit with concrete at Wrigley than sit in an aircraft carrier with fireworks and dumbass promotions every half inning and little kids announcing the lineup, god that gets annoying. Also, I like seeing a baseball game outside when its 55 degrees out in the spring or fall, no need for the roof then unless its raining.
You Bafoon, are you nuts? Miller Park is one of the most comfortable stadiums in the nation, Lots of legroom, always a cozy 68 degrees (Well usually) A team that doesnt pride itself on losing?
You cub fans are all the same
"Wait till next year"
"Were Cursed"
"That damn Goat, why didnt they let him into the game"
"White Sox fans are trashy"
"Brewer Fans are Slobs"
"Wouldnt it be cool to play the Red Sox in the World Series"
"Were not like those other big market teams"
"I cant believe I got Chlymadia from that girl I met at Murphys Bleachers"
Listen CUB Fans quite priding yourself on losing and maybe I will respect you.
All you do is market yourself as lovable losers and hence that is why your attendance numbers are so huge. Why? because people love losers who just cant quite reach their goal. The Cubs is to "Ducky" of 16 candles fame, as the White Sox are to Danny (Ralph Macchio) of Karate Kid Fame. And by that I mean the Cubs are the losers who pride themselves on being a loser and never getting the girls while the White Sox and even the Brewers are the losers that hate being a loser so they act like winnes and occasionally...guess what Cub fans...They WIN
How to make the Cubs a Winner
1. Keep Spending like the Cubs already are (Nothing wrong with spending, because the best teams spend)
2. Quit that whole take me out the ballgame shtick with the whole drunken love fest crap
3. Tear Down Wrigley and clean the slate. Wrigley is associated with Losing Baseball!!!! Do what the Sox did and tear down the stadium and maybe you will get fans and players who are more excited for the game than they are to see the same Ivy that I can see growing on old buildings
Go White Sox
Go Brewers
Go Yankees
Go Dodgers
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I don't know if I'd be throwing stones if I couldn't spell buffoon and I made comparisons between characters in 16 Candles and The Karate Kid. How many times have you seen 16 Candles? If it's more than once you may want to check your manhood at the door. It's a Molly Ringwald filmfest at NateDogg's this weekend.
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when I have kids I might want to hear them announce a lineup, but right now it just adds to the endless amount of bullcrap that goes on in Miller Park, if thats how the Brewers need to get fans there then so be it, but it's annoying. Wrigley keeps it pretty plain and simple not too much to distract you from the game. The Brewers win occasionally? They haven't made the playoffs in 25 years and they were having the "race to .500 a couple years back" are you kidding me?. Even the Cubs have managed to make the playoffs 4 times in the last 25 years. And any fan ever priding themselves on losing is retarded it doesn't make any sense, I can't think of anybody that ever likes losing ever. And for the White Sox, they have won 1 more World Series than the Cubs in a span of 106 years, with less playoff appearances and less pennants, so its not like the Sox are some storied franchise with this unbelievable tradition of winning, my god Sox fans after 1 World Series in 100 years start talking like they're the Yankees and they know the keys to success.
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USA Today also has the Cubs under 100 Million, thats where i got my number. People trying to take shots at Wrigley Field is pathetic, best stadium in baseball hands down. I'd rather get hit with concrete at Wrigley than sit in an aircraft carrier with fireworks and dumbass promotions every half inning and little kids announcing the lineup, god that gets annoying. Also, I like seeing a baseball game outside when its 55 degrees out in the spring or fall, no need for the roof then unless its raining.
Why can't you just enjoy your park? ::)
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And for the White Sox, they have won 1 more World Series than the Cubs in a span of 106 years, with less playoff appearances and less pennants, so its not like the Sox are some storied franchise with this unbelievable tradition of winning, my god Sox fans after 1 World Series in 100 years start talking like they're the Yankees and they know the keys to success.
I think you're being more than just a tad misleading with your Cubs-Sox comparison here.
While it's true the Cubs have won more pennants, that's largely because of a nice little run they had been 1880 and 1910. While I have no doubt those who were alive shortly after the previous turn of the century took great pride in Cap Anson's go-getters, it's a kind of disingenuos to use those numbers to deflect criticism of Cubbie failure.
I'm not sure many of us Sox fans believe they're the Yankees, but it's pretty much undisputed which of Chicago's two franchises has been far more successful the past 25 years.
But don't feel bad -- you'll always have 1906.
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You cub fans are all the same
"Wait till next year"
"Were Cursed"
"That damn Goat, why didnt they let him into the game"
"White Sox fans are trashy"
"Brewer Fans are Slobs"
"Wouldnt it be cool to play the Red Sox in the World Series"
"Were not like those other big market teams"
"I cant believe I got Chlymadia from that girl I met at Murphys Bleachers"
Listen CUB Fans quite priding yourself on losing and maybe I will respect you.
I want the Cubs to win THIS year.
We're not cursed.
The billy goat thing is f***ing ridiculous.
White Sox fans are fine.
I would like to play anyone in the world series.
I wouldn't care if they tore down Wrigley Field and built a Three Rivers Stadium clone out in Schaumburg, as long as the Cubs won a world series!
Do you respect me Mr. Stereotype? ::) There are a lot more Cub fans that think like I do than you realize.
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Far better? Try maybe a little better.
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Far better? Try maybe a little better.
Far better.
Since 1982 ...
Winning seasons: White Sox 15, Cubs 8
Division titles: White Sox 5, Cubs 3
Playoff series wins: White Sox 2, Cubs 1
Pennants: White Sox 1, Cubs 0
World Series titles: White Sox 1, Cubs 0
Games over .500 in that time: White Sox +155, Cubs -67
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Pakuni, you won 3 playoff series in '05.
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Well stated Hans. Couldn't agree more.
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Pakuni, you won 3 playoff series in '05.
D'oh.
Still getting used to that newfangled wild card thingamjig.
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I really don't understand Cubs fans, let the Brewers have their time to shine. You had a chance a few years back and blew it...don't blame Bartman. I love hearing the little kid say the lineup for an inning...I enjoy that our park is kid friendly and that you don't have to pee in a damn trough. I love watching the cubs and their fans. I had three very real cubs fans on my floor this past year and one of my friends is a huge cubs fan. earlier this season, i think the cubs were playing the Pirates and they were down by 1 in the bottom of the 9th. Instead of having hope in a comeback, they called what the next 4 batters would do in their plate appearances...and got 3 of them right which was kind of exciting but anyway...they said no way are we gonna win...it's just what happens to the cubs.
My other friend and I were talking in one of my classes, he respects the run the brewers are putting together, I kiddingly poked fun at his beloved cubs by using the lovely "completely useless by September" line and he changed september to spring training. Yeah, cubs fans love their team...and i'm sure they want them to win, but many of you loyal cubbies realize that your team does suck and just deal with it like all cubs fans do. I'm going to love it when the brewers are 9 games clear of everyone else in the central by the time the playoffs start and the cubs have dropped down into their nice little hole in 4th or 5th.
oh, and payroll by ESPN...
Cubs...99 mil
Crew...just under 72 mil
who's getting the better deal there??
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I can't believe fans are still arguing over which ballpark is better. I thought this was already settled.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/baseball/mlb/08/31/fvi/index.html