After checking out ESPN's latest power rankings (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/powerrankings/_/show/middle (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/powerrankings/_/show/middle)), I wasn't surprised to see that Doug Gottlieb had ranked Wisconsin's two highly rated basketball teams many slots below some of his analyst counterparts. I feel that he does a pretty good job breaking down games and giving his honest opinion of what a team does right and wrong. His opinionated approach adds some spice and entertainment to broadcasts. However, I have always felt as though he finds a way to take slight jabs at Marquette in his analysis and rankings. Has anyone else noticed this?
After doing some research on his background (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doug_Gottlieb (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doug_Gottlieb)), I found it very ironic in that he was born in Milwaukee because in addition to his low ranking of MU, the Badgers also slipped far down his list in comparison to other ESPN broadcasters. Did his parents move their family to Orange, California because Doug preferred happy cows' cheese (http://www.realcaliforniamilk.com/advertising/happy-cows-spots/ (http://www.realcaliforniamilk.com/advertising/happy-cows-spots/))? Is he upset that Buzz Williams has moved on from his days as a coach in Oklahoma and has passed on OU's flirts (Gottlieb finished his college basketball career at Ok-St.)?
At first I thought the continuous jabs or (lack of complimentary analysis) for Marquette could be chalked up to being a former Fighting Irish point guard. Was he hanging with Digger Phelps too much in Bristol, Connecticut? Well obviously Phelp's bias didn't rub off on him because Doug Gottlieb is the only ESPN analyst that didn't include Notre Dame as one of the top 25 teams in the nation. Maybe Doug's still holding a grudge for being shown the door at ND after fraudulently charging $900 to his roommate's credit cards.
After noticing that he ranked Georgetown a few slots lower than others at #11, I thought maybe he has a subconscious thing against private catholic universities. Well, now I'm getting carried away..
One man's opinion of our "power ranking" or a collective poll of coaches and/or associated press will not factor into our success in the tournament. But the way we close out this exciting season and the opinion of the NCAA selection committee will go a long way into this year's tournament success. Thankfully, Doug Gottlieb will be far from that selection room.
Rankings are meaningless. Most writers/analysts pick a few teams at the beginning of the season that they think are going to be good and then they try their best to build those teams up throughout the season so that they're right. For example, Louisville (a top 10 team to start the season) blew a 5-point lead late and lost at home to Syracuse. ESPN rewarded them by moving them up 8 spots in their weekly "power rankings."
Marquette was ranked in the 20s to start the season so there weren't a lot of people on their bandwagon. If MU entered the season in the top 10 and the season went exactly the same, they'd be ranked 3-4 spots higher in the polls right now.
There is some wisdom in your last post...
Preseason power rankings (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/powerrankings/_/week/1/show/middle (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/powerrankings/_/week/1/show/middle))
To Doug Gottlieb's credit, he's one of the only analysts to have San Diego State as one of his top 25 in week 1 (as they've been a nice surprise to some this year). He also is the only to include Cal in both early and current rankings.
He's definitely down on the Big East this year as a whole. I don't think he really votes like the rest of people do for "power rankings".
I think there are valid reasons to question how good Wisconsin and MU are?
Quote from: TomW1365 on February 17, 2012, 11:06:52 AM
After noticing that he ranked Georgetown a few slots lower than others at #11, I thought maybe he has a subconscious thing against private catholic universities. Well, now I'm getting carried away..
are you though? my ex-roommate works for espn, including some time spent in Bristol, and on numerous occasions he would mention the strong Jewish bias
...he also told me Linda Cohen is a raging bitch, and that Bielema banged Erin Andrews...
wow..., Erin Andrews dropping to that level? I don't think so.
Anybody who has FSU ranked #13 in the country, should immediately be regarded as an idiot.
The Seminoles needed a miracle (they were down 8 with 1:29 to play) to beat a tuuuuuuuuurrible VaTech team at home last night. Couple that with a recent loss to BC, and it's not difficult to see how bad they are.
Quote from: Wade for President on February 17, 2012, 12:55:36 PM
Anybody who has FSU ranked #13 in the country, should immediately be regarded as an idiot.
The Seminoles needed a miracle (they were down 8 with 1:29 to play) to beat a tuuuuuuuuurrible VaTech team at home last night. Couple that with a recent loss to BC, and it's not difficult to see how bad they are.
But they beat UNC and Duke! That counts for more than the 2 (yes 2!) losses to Ivy League schools.
Quote from: augoman on February 17, 2012, 12:53:16 PM
wow..., Erin Andrews dropping to that level? I don't think so.
I thought Bielma's penchant for skirt-chasing was sort of an open secret.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on February 17, 2012, 01:15:40 PM
But they beat UNC and Duke! That counts for more than the 2 (yes 2!) losses to Ivy League schools.
Isn't one of those losses to a pretty good Harvard squad?
Quote from: lawwarrior12 on February 17, 2012, 01:18:07 PM
I thought Bielma's penchant for skirt-chasing was sort of an open secret.
I knew an overweight, fairly disgusting dude in college that was the definition of a skirt chaser, but that didn't mean he was landing sorority girls.
Quote from: Brewtown Andy on February 17, 2012, 01:41:33 PM
Isn't one of those losses to a pretty good Harvard squad?
Yeah, but it sounds better saying "2 Ivy League schools" ;)
Quote from: kinsella4three??? on February 17, 2012, 12:37:09 PM
are you though? my ex-roommate works for espn, including some time spent in Bristol, and on numerous occasions he would mention the strong Jewish bias
...he also told me Linda Cohen is a raging bitch, and that Bielema banged Erin Andrews...
I believe all of this until that last part. Just no way. I simply can't accept that. Bo Ryan, maybe.
Also didn't Gottlieb almost attend MU? Can't remember whether it was initially or after the transfer.
Quote from: kinsella4three??? on February 17, 2012, 12:37:09 PM
are you though? my ex-roommate works for espn, including some time spent in Bristol, and on numerous occasions he would mention the strong Jewish bias
...he also told me Linda Cohen is a raging bitch, and that Bielema banged Erin Andrews...
Dont know about Catholic bias but I will say it is amazing how Gottleib's acerbic commments are never directed towards the Pearls and Greenbergs of the world. Remember how Gottbleib was defening Pearl last year?
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on February 17, 2012, 01:15:40 PM
But they beat UNC and Duke! That counts for more than the 2 (yes 2!) losses to Ivy League schools.
Have you seen FSU play the past few weeks? Those wins (albeit big) are light years away. Totally different team.
Quote from: frozena pizza on February 17, 2012, 01:59:48 PM
I believe all of this until that last part. Just no way. I simply can't accept that. Bo Ryan, maybe.
Bielema banged Bo Ryan?
Quote from: lawwarrior12 on February 17, 2012, 01:18:07 PM
I thought Bielma's penchant for skirt-chasing was sort of an open secret.
Yes, it is. What I didn't realize, though, is that Erin Andrews hit the sauce that much.
Quote from: leever on February 17, 2012, 02:10:10 PM
Bielema banged Bo Ryan?
This needs one of those famous Bo Ryan freaking out pictures ...
Quote from: kinsella4three??? on February 17, 2012, 12:37:09 PM
are you though? my ex-roommate works for espn, including some time spent in Bristol, and on numerous occasions he would mention the strong Jewish bias
...he also told me Linda Cohen is a raging bitch, and that Bielema banged Erin Andrews...
I'm sure Erin Andrews is quick to discuss her personal life with your ex-roommate. He's probably never met any on-air people
I thought Gottlieb was a tool?
Quote from: kinsella4three??? on February 17, 2012, 12:37:09 PM
are you though? my ex-roommate works for espn, including some time spent in Bristol, and on numerous occasions he would mention the strong Jewish bias
...he also told me Linda Cohen is a raging bitch, and that Bielema banged Erin Andrews...
I always wondered why the jewish schools were ranked so high.
Quote from: RawdogDX on February 17, 2012, 04:29:28 PM
I always wondered why the jewish schools were ranked so high.
Ha! Nice one there. Here's a list that includes Gottlieb (and his dad) among notable Jewish basketball players:
Leslie Alexander — Owner, Houston Rockets and former owner, Houston Comets [21]
Red Auerbach — Coach, general manager and team president, Boston Celtics, HoF[22]
Sam Balter, 5' 10" guard, Olympic champion
Irv Bemoras — Basketball player who helped lead the University of Illinois to two Big Ten titles (1951 and 1952), while being named first team All-Big Ten and second team All-America in 1953. After college, Bemoras played in the NBA for the Milwaukee Hawks In 1953–1954 and with the St. Louis Hawks In 1956–1957.[23]
Senda Berenson Abbott — Educator & Sportswoman, HoF[24]
Sue Bird — WNBA player, Seattle Storm [25]
David Bluthenthal — Professional basketball player for several European clubs, among them Maccabi Tel Aviv, Benetton Treviso, Virtus Bologna, Fortitudo Bologna, and currently Le Mans.[26]
Larry Brown, ABA 5' 9" point guard, 3-time All-Star, 3-time assists leader, & NBA coach, Olympic champion
Omri Casspi — Current player for the Cleveland Cavaliers; first Israeli-born player to play in the NBA. [27]
Shay Doron — WNBA Player drafted by the New York Liberty in 2007
Jordan Farmar — Current NBA Player For The New Jersey Nets; was previously the starting point guard for the UCLA men's basketball team[28]
Hank Finkel — Back-up Center For The Boston Celtics
Lawrence Frank — Former Head Coach Of The NBA New Jersey Nets[29]
Marty Friedman — Player, HoF[30]
Ernie Grunfeld — Player, US Olympic Team, NBA[31]
Doug Gottlieb — Player, Broadcaster.[32]
Edward Gottlieb — NBA Co-Founder, coach and owner of Philadelphia/San Francisco Warriors, HoF[33]
Art Heyman — Player, All-Time Duke Great, NBA and ABA[34]
Nate Huffman — NBB Intercamp Basketball Tourney Figurehead
Nat Holman — Player & Coach, HoF[35]
Red Holzman — Coach, HoF, NBA player[36][37]
Ralph Kaplowitz – Player, Appeared In First BAA Game (Knicks vs. Huskies).[38]
Stan Kasten — Former GM/president, Atlanta Hawks
Louis Klotz — Player For Baltimore Bullets, And Founder Of The Washington Generals Touring Exhibition Team[39]
Herb Kohl – Owner, Milwaukee Bucks[40][41]
Barry Kramer — Player, While At NYU, Was All-American during 1962–64, Played (NBA) San Francisco Warriors Followed By The New York Knicks (1964).
Joel Kramer – Player for Phoenix Suns 1978–83 after 4 years at San Diego State University
Sylven Landesberg, 6' 6" former UVA shooting guard (Maccabi Haifa BC)[42]
Rudy LaRusso, NBA 6' 7" forward/center, 5-time All-Star[43]
Nancy Lieberman, WNBA player & coach, Olympic silver, HoF[44][45][46]
Harry Litwack — Coach, HoF[47][48]
Earl 'ED' Nobil – 1939–1943 Center AJC US Amateur champion Player of the year [49]
Lennie Rosenbluth — 1957 College Basketball Player Of The Year
Danny Schayes — NBA Player[50][51]
Dolph Schayes — Player, HoF[52][53]
Ossie Schectman — Scored first basket Of NBA (1946)[54][55]
Jon Scheyer, All-American Duke University 6' 5" shooting guard & point guard[56]
Barney Sedran — Player, HoF[57][58]
Amar'e Stoudemire – Power Forward, New York Knicks.[59]
Sidney Tannenbaum, 2-time All-American 6' 0" guard; left as NYU all-time scorer, played in the BAA
Neal Walk — NBA Player[60]
Max Zaslofsky, NBA 6' 2" guard/forward, 1-time FT% leader, 1-time points leader, All-Star, ABA coach
Quote from: RawdogDX on February 17, 2012, 04:29:28 PM
I always wondered why the jewish schools were ranked so high.
Well, Brandeis has a super quick point guard and Yeshiva U. kicks ass in the paint.
" Louis Klotz — Player For Baltimore Bullets, And Founder Of The Washington Generals Touring Exhibition Team[39]"
Ya got to wonder what kind of money this dude made. God Bless him for his strength of schedule.
Gottlieb is a horrible analyst.
Thus a perfect fit for the snobbery and sensationalism of ESPN.
Quote from: Sir Lawrence on February 17, 2012, 07:00:35 PM
" Louis Klotz — Player For Baltimore Bullets, And Founder Of The Washington Generals Touring Exhibition Team[39]"
Ya got to wonder what kind of money this dude made. God Bless him for his strength of schedule.
Surprisingly... not quite as strong as UCONN's SOS this year.
Quote from: kinsella4three??? on February 17, 2012, 12:37:09 PM
are you though? my ex-roommate works for espn, including some time spent in Bristol, and on numerous occasions he would mention the strong Jewish bias
...he also told me Linda Cohen is a raging bitch, and that Bielema banged Erin Andrews...
I heard he did Digger too. ;)
Anyone take a good look at Gottleib during the halftime recap of today's game? He looks sick. I don't mean a cold either. Looks like he has lost weight too.
Feel bad about bad mouthing the guy. He does not look good at all.
Did I really hear Gotlieb talking about UConn's 7am shootaround and how a coach only does that if he's desperate? I thought it was Marquette that had the early shootaround.
Gottlieb is full of himself and Digger
Was Erin braggin' or complain'?
Quote from: BLUEPRINT on February 18, 2012, 12:21:33 PM
Gottlieb is full of himself and Digger
Hahahaha! I have to agree... It was ironic that we had this thread going and Doug ended up being the analyst in ESPN's studio that night. He must have been trolling MUScoop.com
Quote from: TomW1365 on February 17, 2012, 05:56:19 PM
Ha! Nice one there. Here's a list that includes Gottlieb (and his dad) among notable Jewish basketball players:
Leslie Alexander — Owner, Houston Rockets and former owner, Houston Comets [21]
Red Auerbach — Coach, general manager and team president, Boston Celtics, HoF[22]
Sam Balter, 5' 10" guard, Olympic champion
Irv Bemoras — Basketball player who helped lead the University of Illinois to two Big Ten titles (1951 and 1952), while being named first team All-Big Ten and second team All-America in 1953. After college, Bemoras played in the NBA for the Milwaukee Hawks In 1953–1954 and with the St. Louis Hawks In 1956–1957.[23]
Senda Berenson Abbott — Educator & Sportswoman, HoF[24]
Sue Bird — WNBA player, Seattle Storm [25]
David Bluthenthal — Professional basketball player for several European clubs, among them Maccabi Tel Aviv, Benetton Treviso, Virtus Bologna, Fortitudo Bologna, and currently Le Mans.[26]
Larry Brown, ABA 5' 9" point guard, 3-time All-Star, 3-time assists leader, & NBA coach, Olympic champion
Omri Casspi — Current player for the Cleveland Cavaliers; first Israeli-born player to play in the NBA. [27]
Shay Doron — WNBA Player drafted by the New York Liberty in 2007
Jordan Farmar — Current NBA Player For The New Jersey Nets; was previously the starting point guard for the UCLA men's basketball team[28]
Hank Finkel — Back-up Center For The Boston Celtics
Lawrence Frank — Former Head Coach Of The NBA New Jersey Nets[29]
Marty Friedman — Player, HoF[30]
Ernie Grunfeld — Player, US Olympic Team, NBA[31]
Doug Gottlieb — Player, Broadcaster.[32]
Edward Gottlieb — NBA Co-Founder, coach and owner of Philadelphia/San Francisco Warriors, HoF[33]
Art Heyman — Player, All-Time Duke Great, NBA and ABA[34]
Nate Huffman — NBB Intercamp Basketball Tourney Figurehead
Nat Holman — Player & Coach, HoF[35]
Red Holzman — Coach, HoF, NBA player[36][37]
Ralph Kaplowitz – Player, Appeared In First BAA Game (Knicks vs. Huskies).[38]
Stan Kasten — Former GM/president, Atlanta Hawks
Louis Klotz — Player For Baltimore Bullets, And Founder Of The Washington Generals Touring Exhibition Team[39]
Herb Kohl – Owner, Milwaukee Bucks[40][41]
Barry Kramer — Player, While At NYU, Was All-American during 1962–64, Played (NBA) San Francisco Warriors Followed By The New York Knicks (1964).
Joel Kramer – Player for Phoenix Suns 1978–83 after 4 years at San Diego State University
Sylven Landesberg, 6' 6" former UVA shooting guard (Maccabi Haifa BC)[42]
Rudy LaRusso, NBA 6' 7" forward/center, 5-time All-Star[43]
Nancy Lieberman, WNBA player & coach, Olympic silver, HoF[44][45][46]
Harry Litwack — Coach, HoF[47][48]
Earl 'ED' Nobil – 1939–1943 Center AJC US Amateur champion Player of the year [49]
Lennie Rosenbluth — 1957 College Basketball Player Of The Year
Danny Schayes — NBA Player[50][51]
Dolph Schayes — Player, HoF[52][53]
Ossie Schectman — Scored first basket Of NBA (1946)[54][55]
Jon Scheyer, All-American Duke University 6' 5" shooting guard & point guard[56]
Barney Sedran — Player, HoF[57][58]
Amar'e Stoudemire – Power Forward, New York Knicks.[59]
Sidney Tannenbaum, 2-time All-American 6' 0" guard; left as NYU all-time scorer, played in the BAA
Neal Walk — NBA Player[60]
Max Zaslofsky, NBA 6' 2" guard/forward, 1-time FT% leader, 1-time points leader, All-Star, ABA coach
Davidson has a very good ballplayer named Jake Cohen, a junior forward who is probably the best Jewish player in college hoops right now.
I believe Doug's dad was former UWM coach Bob Gottlieb. Doug was born in Milwaukee when Bob was coaching at UWM.