It's Mellow for 3
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/139183724.html
Mellow is our future. He is maturing and growinging.
Mello's great attitude is the key. Let's remember that he's a Sophomore. I believe he'll be a great 'glue' guy as a Junior and Senior. Every great team needs players like that.
Quote from: goan on February 12, 2012, 12:29:15 PM
Mellow is our future. He is maturing and growinging.
Wow, don't get carried away....he'll be a nice player as an upper classmen, a lower level Corey Stokes but never the future. Was happy the shots fell, so many of his previous ones just missed.
What's interesting is that he has one of the prettiest forms/shots on the team. It sounds cliche, but it really is just a confidence thing with him. It's a testament that he can be efficient (ND, Cincy) coming off the bench in completely random spurts. As he said, it's mental, believing he will play no matter the situation. Couldn't be happier for one of the most positive guys on the team.
I think Jones MU career will be pretty similar to Joe Chapman's. Might never be a consistent starter but one of the first couple guys off the bench who can hustle and knock down the occasional 3. Nothing wrong with that.
Nice to see this thread. Wasn't too long ago the speculation here was "Where's he going?" I wanna see all our kids do well, but it was nice to see his teammates get psyched with his good input.
Joe Chapman????!!!! someone does not remember the career of joe Chapman very well. I hope the very best for Jamail and I too think and hope he can be a counted on role player the next two years but I think he is at best a 7th or 8th man.
He is the 10th man on our roster and not playing if DG or CT are healthy.
If he is content with being 6th-8th man the next 2 years he can be a solid experienced back up over the next few years. if he is not content with that he will possibly transfer.
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on February 12, 2012, 05:45:44 PM
Joe Chapman????!!!! someone does not remember the career of joe Chapman very well. I hope the very best for Jamail and I too think and hope he can be a counted on role player the next two years but I think he is at best a 7th or 8th man.
He is the 10th man on our roster and not playing if DG or CT are healthy.
If he is content with being 6th-8th man the next 2 years he can be a solid experienced back up over the next few years. if he is not content with that he will possibly transfer.
I'm sorry you don't remember Joe Chapman's career very well. A solid role player for the Warriors who got some additional minutes when Travis and Wes went down. I don't think it's a stretch to think Jones could see similar minutes (15-20) in a reserve role the next couple years.
http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/chapman_joe01.html (http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/chapman_joe01.html)
Quote from: jmayer1 on February 12, 2012, 06:16:31 PM
I'm sorry you don't remember Joe Chapman's career very well. A solid role player for the Warriors who got some additional minutes when Travis and Wes went down. I don't think it's a stretch to think Jones could see similar minutes (15-20) in a reserve role the next couple years.
http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/chapman_joe01.html (http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/chapman_joe01.html)
Joe Chapman had a better shot and was a MUCH better defender. Not 100% certain, but I am guessing that is what Dimes comment was alluding to.
Don't know jamail at all but he actually seems to have a similar personality to Joe Chapman. Always has a smile on his face, willing to work hard, and loved by his teammates. Joe had no problem helping out the big three when they arrived and just being an experienced guy willing to contribute where he could. If Mellow can fill that role this could be a dangerous team when his class reaches their senior year.
Quote from: jsglow on February 12, 2012, 02:39:30 PM
Mello's great attitude is the key. Let's remember that he's a Sophomore. I believe he'll be a great 'glue' guy as a Junior and Senior. Every great team needs players like that.
Just not as much as they need a center and power forward.
Quote from: jmayer1 on February 12, 2012, 06:16:31 PM
I'm sorry you don't remember Joe Chapman's career very well. A solid role player for the Warriors who got some additional minutes when Travis and Wes went down. I don't think it's a stretch to think Jones could see similar minutes (15-20) in a reserve role the next couple years.
http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/chapman_joe01.html (http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/chapman_joe01.html)
What i remeber of Joe Chapman was a player that came into Mu as a freshman on the final 4 team, and despite playing with 3 future NBA players was saolid enoungh to play in every single game as a freshman on the best MU team in the last 30 years. He shot over 40% from 3 and played very good defense.
Then he played every single game and he was a part time starter as a Sophomore and again had a very solid sophomore year.
Not sure what from those two seasons resembles the career so far of jamail jones who I would guess has more DNP's than games played
Additonally, Joe then started or played starters minutes his Junior year and As senior prolly should have started every game but Crean wanted to start the 3 amigos. nevertheless, he played starter minutes, had an incredible assist to turnover ratio and shot the lights out on apercentage basis as a starter/6th man on a NCAA team.
Now I really hope jamil can acheive those things as a junior and senior, but personally i dont see him being more than a 7th-8th man at best. seems like a really good kid and by all accounts a great program guy. bottom line is the MU is very talented and getting more talented all the time. 13 guys on the team only so many minutes.
i would think a more appropriate comaprison might be a terry Sanders or something? A guy who never started but was agreat program guy and had some minutes when we needed him?
Joe Chapman...no
Am I the only one who thinks that JJones looks stiff out there? IMO, he moves like his hips or his knees are aching. Except when he squares to shoot.
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on February 12, 2012, 07:03:16 PM
What i remeber of Joe Chapman was a player that came into Mu as a freshman on the final 4 team, and despite playing with 3 future NBA players was saolid enoungh to play in every single game as a freshman on the best MU team in the last 30 years. He shot over 40% from 3 and played very good defense.
Then he played every single game and he was a part time starter as a Sophomore and again had a very solid sophomore year.
Not sure what from those two seasons resembles the career so far of jamail jones who I would guess has more DNP's than games played
Additonally, Joe then started or played starters minutes his Junior year and As senior prolly should have started every game but Crean wanted to start the 3 amigos. nevertheless, he played starter minutes, had an incredible assist to turnover ratio and shot the lights out on apercentage basis as a starter/6th man on a NCAA team.
Now I really hope jamil can acheive those things as a junior and senior, but personally i dont see him being more than a 7th-8th man at best. seems like a really good kid and by all accounts a great program guy. bottom line is the MU is very talented and getting more talented all the time. 13 guys on the team only so many minutes.
i would think a more appropriate comaprison might be a terry Sanders or something? A guy who never started but was agreat program guy and had some minutes when we needed him?
Joe Chapman...no
So Jones is similar to Terry Sanders, who made 31 starts and averaged 15 mpg for his career, but not similar to Joe Chapman who made 53 starts and averaged 18 minutes a game? Cripes, I was trying to make a simple comparison and tried to think of a wing player from the last 10 years who stayed all 4 years but wasn't really ever a star or go-to-guy.
BTW, Chapman shot 41.3% for his career and had a less than 1.0 assist to turnover ratio while averaging 5.2 points per game so your memory might need some sharpening.
nah my memory is pretty good.... and while terry sanders did start games all but a couple were as a senior when most will remeber he did actually start but then came out almost immediately and was a 7th man or so the rest of the game.
and yes i also remeber joe chapman was very solid with the assist to turnover ratio especially his seior year, you see becuase I remeber when he was a junior he was forced to play point guard for the first time in his life becuase our coach only had one on the roster... all those turnover as the ball handler while other teams pressured the hell out of us skewed his other wise solid ball handling...looking it up his assist to turnover ratio was 3:1 as a senior ...outstanding for a guard.
he averaged 8points a game as a junior...dont think Jamial has even scored more than 8 more than few times...
again i think Sanders career stats are more in line
Jamail can play the 3 and 4.
At the 2/3 the next two years:
Vander, Mayo, TJ Taylor...then Burton and hopefully Nunn. Not a lot of PT there.
At the 4:
Jamil Wilson is going to play the lion's share since DG/CO2 will be manning the 5 (hopefully both healthy!). Not to mention Steve Taylor looks to be better suited to play the 4 than Jamail will be.
Jamail always has come off as a good kid and I hope he succeeds...but our depth at the 2/3/4 is outstanding the next two years and will be difficult to break into. If someone gets hurt he can jump right in, but of the people I named above, who does he beat out the next two years and send to the bench?
Quote from: Tmreddevil on February 12, 2012, 07:57:07 PM
Jamail can play the 3 and 4.
At the 2/3 the next two years:
Vander, Mayo, TJ Taylor...then Burton and hopefully Nunn. Not a lot of PT there.
At the 4:
Jamil Wilson is going to play the lion's share since DG/CO2 will be manning the 5 (hopefully both healthy!). Not to mention Steve Taylor looks to be better suited to play the 4 than Jamail will be.
Jamail always has come off as a good kid and I hope he succeeds...but our depth at the 2/3/4 is outstanding the next two years and will be difficult to break into. If someone gets hurt he can jump right in, but of the people I named above, who does he beat out the next two years and send to the bench?
I don't think Mellow ever gets more than about 15 minutes unless injuries crop up. I see Jamil getting 30 at the #4 next year but it is somewhat difficult to project Taylor's minutes as a Frosh as he learns the system. So I do see Mellow as the guy that spells Jamil and I do see times when both Chris and Ox are off the floor as we pick up the trapping defense. Of course Juan could be filling that role as well as he gets stronger. Anyway, seems like a great kid and it's a nice problem to have
Quote from: Tmreddevil on February 12, 2012, 07:57:07 PM
Jamail can play the 3 and 4.
At the 2/3 the next two years:
Vander, Mayo, TJ Taylor...then Burton and hopefully Nunn. Not a lot of PT there.
At the 4:
Jamil Wilson is going to play the lion's share since DG/CO2 will be manning the 5 (hopefully both healthy!). Not to mention Steve Taylor looks to be better suited to play the 4 than Jamail will be.
Jamail always has come off as a good kid and I hope he succeeds...but our depth at the 2/3/4 is outstanding the next two years and will be difficult to break into. If someone gets hurt he can jump right in, but of the people I named above, who does he beat out the next two years and send to the bench?
Don't forget that Jamail was ranked somewhere in between Burton (top 30) and Steve Taylor (top 90) coming out of high school. There is absolutely no way to predict how a freshman will play in college before he even steps on campus.
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on February 12, 2012, 07:45:11 PM
he averaged 8points a game as a junior...dont think Jamial has even scored more than 8 more than few times...
i attended a number of practices when chapman was playing for MU...he was a better defender than mellow, but i get the comparison as far as a player who hits shots and is a good team player... to be honest, i think mellow would have had better numbers had he played for mu during that time. they had talent (more so in wade's last year), but they were far from deep.
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on February 12, 2012, 07:45:11 PM
nah my memory is pretty good.... and while terry sanders did start games all but a couple were as a senior when most will remeber he did actually start but then came out almost immediately and was a 7th man or so the rest of the game.
and yes i also remeber joe chapman was very solid with the assist to turnover ratio especially his seior year, you see becuase I remeber when he was a junior he was forced to play point guard for the first time in his life becuase our coach only had one on the roster... all those turnover as the ball handler while other teams pressured the hell out of us skewed his other wise solid ball handling...looking it up his assist to turnover ratio was 3:1 as a senior ...outstanding for a guard.
he averaged 8points a game as a junior...dont think Jamial has even scored more than 8 more than few times...
again i think Sanders career stats are more in line
Sanders actually averaged more minutes per game his senior year than Chapman did (although Chapman got more minutes his Junior year than Senior year).
Take out the 5 games when Diener was hurt, and Chapman had 38 to's compared to 27 assists that year. He had a nice ratio his senior year (2.37 isn't very close to 3.0 though), but was at 1.0 or worse his first 3 years.
It wouldn't surprise me if Jones found a niche next year off the bench and contributed 15 mins and 5 points. Probably won't get to 25 and 8 like Chapman his junior year but I don't think it's a bad comparison. I respect Chapman and what he did for the program, but I think you're remembering him to be a better player than he was.
Sanders was a 6-8 banger who took 3 attempts from behind the arc during his career. Obviously Jones likes to hang out more on the perimeter on offense, so I don't think that's a great comparison.
At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter. I think we can both agree that the talent level of guys 7-13 at MU is higher than it has been in quite sometime. TC got some really solid top-line players obviously but I always kind of felt his teams weren't very deep. I think Buzz is establishing some deeper teams now, but as you said there's only so many minutes to go around.