Outstanding attendance today with the students doing their part and nearly filling their sections of the upper bowl to the top row. I expect an even larger crowd for Georgetown.
I thought the crowd was good today. Loud when it mattered. Wish it would have made it above 19,000. Not many Saturday games, and with how MU is playing, would hope to seem more love.
Quote from: MUMac on February 11, 2012, 09:15:47 PM
I thought the crowd was good today. Loud when it mattered. Wish it would have made it above 19,000. Not many Saturday games, and with how MU is playing, would hope to seem more love.
18,815 and you're arguing another 185 people would have made a difference?????
Settled ... this board is utterly incapable of discussing attendance. No matter what happens they will find fault with it.
Relax AnotherMU84, I remember my four years with the Big 3, and we broke the "record" over 19,000 a lot. It wasn't a big deal. More surprised that we can't get over 19,000 for one of the bigger games of the year, if not the biggest (probably GTown).
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on February 11, 2012, 09:19:37 PM
18,815 and you're arguing another 185 people would have made a difference?????
Settled ... this board is utterly incapable of discussing attendance. No matter what happens they will find fault with it.
It's a round number.
And something I4 would have tweeted about.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on February 11, 2012, 09:19:37 PM
18,815 and you're arguing another 185 people would have made a difference?????
Settled ... this board is utterly incapable of discussing attendance. No matter what happens they will find fault with it.
My point is that I don't know why MU cannot sell out. This team is damn exciting to watch. Wasn't quibbling over 185 people.
BTW, there were far more than 185 open seats.
The good news is that the largest crowd of the year went home entertained and happy. That helps sell tickets going forward. I suspect that the Rutgers game will be very well attended (for a week night) if MU can manage a win over UConn.
Quote from: MUMac on February 11, 2012, 09:25:08 PM
My point is that I don't know why MU cannot sell out.
They did - http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/020912aad.html
Maybe MU should have "singles night" to move the remaining single seats for Georgetown. Not many people are going to buy a seat to sit by themselves.
you honestly believe when we broke the attendance record for every big game with Crean by 5, that those numbers and "new records" were not contrived?
Please MR. Maniacal was all over that. Probably right under the final 4 on his resume...Broke Mu attendance record 20 times..
Good for him Buzz is less superficial.
18,815 is a great great great number for Cincinnati, and an unranked one at that. Notre Dame, georgetown, Pitt, Syracuse and Uconn are the real draws.
And even when we have had 19,000+ there are always a few open seats
Quote from: AhoyaX on February 11, 2012, 09:33:14 PM
They did - http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/020912aad.html
Maybe MU should have "singles night" to move the remaining single seats for Georgetown. Not many people are going to buy a seat to sit by themselves.
A lot of singles together, then. If that is what MU is saying, several rows stayed home as a goup, today.
Not willing to continue this thread, but at the game, it was
FAR from a sell out. As I stated, MU is a damn fun team to watch and in my opinion, under attended. If you all want to lambaste me for that view, I will accept it.
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on February 11, 2012, 09:37:39 PM
you honestly believe when we broke the attendance record for every big game with Crean by 5, that those numbers and "new records" were not contrived?
Please MR. Maniacal was all over that. Probably right under the final 4 on his resume...Broke Mu attendance record 20 times..
don't forget the bulletpoint -lead musical director to play "Cotten-Eyed Joe" at key timeouts.
Quote from: Z F-B on February 11, 2012, 09:23:21 PM
It's a round number.
And something I4 would have tweeted about.
He'd hang the banner himself if ESPN would be there to film it.
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on February 11, 2012, 09:37:39 PM
18,815 is a great great great number for Cincinnati, and an unranked one at that. Notre Dame, georgetown, Pitt, Syracuse and Uconn are the real draws.
+1 ... maybe attendance is down this year because the BE is down? We don't have a never-ending parade of top 10 teams coming to the BC this year.
18,815 for a team that is getting no votes (Cincy) is not bad. We also had 18,400 last month for Pitt, another team that was getting no votes.
Added Later ...
MU has played only 1 ranked team this year in the BC .. Louisville on Monday Jan 16. The next and only ranked team MU will play this year will be current #11 Georgetown on March 3.
Singles night! Hmmmm good idea, maybe I can take my uw-Madison slore I found Thursday night to watch a "fun" team play (see University of Marquette thread)
Win win for her and I. She gets drunk, and so do I, all while not sitting by each other. Then dessert after the game :P
Damn! I was hoping for 18,816!!
Quote from: Z F-B on February 11, 2012, 09:41:28 PM
don't forget the bulletpoint -lead musical director to play "Cotten-Eyed Joe" at key timeouts.
LMAO!! Yes-'where did she come from ? where did she go?' This isn't Baton Rouge. Too funny.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on February 11, 2012, 09:43:58 PM
+1 ... maybe attendance is down this year because the BE is down? We don't have a never-ending parade of top 10 teams coming to the BC this year.
18,815 for a team that is getting no votes (Cincy) is not bad. We also had 18,400 last month for Pitt, another team that was getting no votes.
ya the schedule has not really set up well this year for great attendance numbers....no Wisconsin, no Uconn, no syracuse, no ND. Louisvilla and Vandy on week nights.
18000+ for unranked Cincy and Pitt is really good. Georgetown will be the biggest draw of the year
Look, the only games attendance should be down are the Christmas break games.
Using the opponents as an excuse is pretty lame. Do you think the attendance is bad in Lexington just because Kentucky is playing East Tennessee State or there's no sellout in Lawrence just because Kansas is playing Binghamton?
You come to a Marquette game to see, um, Marquette! And this has been a successful, entertaining team for several years running.
It's a big arena to fill, but come on.
You guys do realize capacity at the BC is 18,800. Being over that means the suites were over flowing.
In other words, GREAT CROWD!!!
Quote from: MU82 on February 11, 2012, 10:01:51 PM
Look, the only games attendance should be down are the Christmas break games.
Using the opponents as an excuse is pretty lame. Do you think the attendance is bad in Lexington just because Kentucky is playing East Tennessee State or there's no sellout in Lawrence just because Kansas is playing Binghamton?
You come to a Marquette game to see, um, Marquette! And this has been a successful, entertaining team for several years running.
It's a big arena to fill, but come on.
Thanks, that was my point. Probably lost on today with the numbers announced, but sitting in the BC and looking at holes in sections today and wondering why. Going to a weekday game and seeing most of the upper deck empty. Yet, going to the Kohl Hole and seeing it packed for Kennesaw State. That is just frustrating to me.
Quote from: MU82 on February 11, 2012, 10:01:51 PM
Look, the only games attendance should be down are the Christmas break games.
Using the opponents as an excuse is pretty lame. Do you think the attendance is bad in Lexington just because Kentucky is playing East Tennessee State or there's no sellout in Lawrence just because Kansas is playing Binghamton?
You come to a Marquette game to see, um, Marquette! And this has been a successful, entertaining team for several years running.
It's a big arena to fill, but come on.
MU is the only non-football team in the top 10 of attendance nationally. #3 in the BE behind Syracuse and Louisville.
MU has an undergrad enrollment of 8,000 not 20,000+ like the big football schools. MU plays in an NBA city unlike Kentucky.
Given all this, what MU does attendance-wise is amazing.
Finally, as I noted in another thread, the admissions standards are much higher today than when I went to MU, or in 1982. The "fat drunk and stupid" days of 18 drinking age is over. Kids go to Marquette to, um, get an education. And with higher quality kids comes less interest in sports. Ask Duke, they can only get 650 kids to a game.
Quote from: schubert33 on February 11, 2012, 10:05:40 PM
You guys do realize capacity at the BC is 18,800. Being over that means the suites were over flowing.
In other words, GREAT CROWD!!!
I realize what my eyes saw. The upper rows of each student section was empty. Several sections throughout in the upper deck were also empty. As someone stated earlier that Crean's numbers were contrived. Well, the upper decks were virtually full then. Some seats in the upper corners empty. Today, much more than that.
You know what? You make a lot of good points, AnotherMU84. 18,000-plus is outstanding, of course.
I guess I just don't like the "we were only playing Seton Hall" excuse.
As I said, you go to a Marquette game to see Marquette. Do you get more jacked up if it's against a great team? Sure. But you're there to see the Gold.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on February 11, 2012, 10:09:20 PM
MU is the only non-football team in the top 10 of attendance nationally. #3 in the BE behind Syracuse and Louisville.
MU has an undergrad enrollment of 8,000 not 20,000+ like the big football schools. MU plays in an NBA team unlike Kentucky.
Given all this, what MU does attendance-wise is amazing.
Finally, as I noted in another thread, the admissions standards are much higher today than when I went to MU, or in 1982. The "fat drink and stupid" days of 18 drinking ages are over. Kids to to Marquette to, um, get an education. And with higher quality kids comes less interest in sports. Ask Duke, they can only get 650 kids to a game.
Unfortunately, it is those "fat, drink and stupid" kids that are not attending. Not discussing the student section today, but general attendance. As I stated, being at the game, it was a disappointment for a Saturday game (one of the few) and for the way this team plays.
You are happy with our attendance, I think it should be better. That is the difference. This is the first general attendance thread I have seen. Perhaps my comments play better on weekdays, but I still would expect a full house tonight (yes, I know the numbers given, but unless rows of people decided together to stay home, well, I am skeptical.)
Quote from: MU82 on February 11, 2012, 10:01:51 PM
Look, the only games attendance should be down are the Christmas break games.
Using the opponents as an excuse is pretty lame. Do you think the attendance is bad in Lexington just because Kentucky is playing East Tennessee State or there's no sellout in Lawrence just because Kansas is playing Binghamton?
You come to a Marquette game to see, um, Marquette! And this has been a successful, entertaining team for several years running.
That's not how the casual fan thinks. They come out when its convenient (on weekends) and against quality opponents.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on February 11, 2012, 10:14:23 PM
That's not how the casual fan thinks. They come out when its convenient (on weekends) and against quality opponents.
+1
Why is MU "owed" a fanny in a seat? They have to put a product out, and play an opponent worthy of, the cost of a ticket.
Unlike the impossible expectations of others, I think MU meets those objectives and gets great crowds. Especially for a school that does not have 20,000+ undergrads that can fill an on-campus arena almost by themselves.
If you hate the fact that the last row is empty, sell your seat and go sit up there.
Quote from: MUMac on February 11, 2012, 10:10:05 PM
I realize what my eyes saw. The upper rows of each student section was empty. Several sections throughout in the upper deck were also empty. As someone stated earlier that Crean's numbers were contrived. Well, the upper decks were virtually full then. Some seats in the upper corners empty. Today, much more than that.
I 100% disagree. U need glasses, or need to worry about the game more and not the crowd!!! People were in and out of their seats all game. During the middle of the first half the upper decks were full.
I agree, fans should pay more attention, but the building was full. You obviuosly looked up at the wrong times.
Most important stat to me is there's either enough support and/or enough of a mentality for the team to not lose at home this year. Nothing annoys me more than dropping home games, especially winnable ones. We could make it through this year with only one loss. We had four each of the last two years, which I hate-we're a better program than that and shouldn't be dropping four home games in a season. And looking at the Wiki, it's the first year since the Final Four season we could manage to drop only one game at home. That I like.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on February 11, 2012, 10:18:58 PM
+1
Why is MU "owed" a fanny in a seat? They have to put a product out, and play an opponent worthy of, the cost of a ticket.
Unlike the impossible expectations of others, I think MU meets those objectives and gets great crowds. Especially for a school that does not have 20,000+ undergrads that can fill an on-campus arena almost by themselves.
If you hate the fact that the last row is empty, sell your seat and go sit up there.
Yeah, it was just the last row. ::) I guess you do not read completely. But if I give up my good seats, those will be empty anyway. ::) ::)
You do realize that in MU's attendance, they include FAR more student seats than those 20,000+ undergrad campus arena's, don't you? I guess not.
Anyway, you feel attendance is wonderful for the teams MU has put on the floor. I do not. I will just agree to disagree and move on.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on February 11, 2012, 10:18:58 PM
+1
Why is MU "owed" a fanny in a seat? They have to put a product out, and play an opponent worthy of, the cost of a ticket.
Unlike the impossible expectations of others, I think MU meets those objectives and gets great crowds. Especially for a school that does not have 20,000+ undergrads that can fill an on-campus arena almost by themselves.
I agree with this. There are also more UW, UWM and possibly even more Whitewater alumni in the Milwaukee area. Getting 18,000+ against an unranked team to me is a great accomplishment.
Quote from: schubert33 on February 11, 2012, 10:19:54 PM
I 100% disagree. U need glasses, or need to worry about the game more and not the crowd!!! People were in and out of their seats all game. During the middle of the first half the upper decks were full.
I agree, fans should pay more attention, but the building was full. You obviuosly looked up at the wrong times.
I will admit, my attention was more focused on the floor and perhaps yours may have been more attentively focused on the crowd. But, I did see what I saw. I 100% disagree. U need glasses or need to worry about the game more and not the crowd!!!! (one extra for emphasis)
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on February 11, 2012, 10:25:37 PM
I agree with this. There are also more UW, UWM and possibly even more Whitewater alumni in the Milwaukee area. Getting 18,000+ against an unranked team to me is a great accomplishment.
I couldn't agree more. MUMAC please whine some more!!!
... and I disagree with the idea that the BC hurts recruiting.
You think that Seton Hall thought the BC was a dump when LeBron and Wade were sitting in the front row? How about when John Wall attends a game. Or Brandon Jennings.
I have no idea how to measure this but let me suggest that MU players play in front of more NBA players that did not play at MU than any school in the country. We are one of the few teams that plays in an NBA arena, a few blocks from the Pfister (where the visiting teams stay) and what else is an NBA player going to do when in town and MU is playing?
The BC is a recruiting tool that many schools can only dream about and we have lost no recruits because a few rows at the very top were empty or because it did not sound loud enough on ESPN. These are arguments that old "traditional" guys have on message boards.
Quote from: schubert33 on February 11, 2012, 10:28:45 PM
I couldn't agree more. MUMAC please whine some more!!!
Sorry gang. I guess I will fall in line with all the non-whiners. Everything is good. Everything is great. MU's attendance is the best it should ever be. Why would I think this team is worthy of better attendance? You have all shamed me into realizing that a 13,000 night (as I stated, I posted in this thread, as it is the first to bring up general attendance) is good because MU has not both put a product worthy on the court and played a worthy team. I understand that now. I only brought up over 19,000 as that was as I recalled that as the capacity MU cited under Crean and I saw the many empty rows in the upper deck. I just think this team should be sold out every night and schubert33 thinks that's whining.
Thanks schubert33, your intellectual post made me see the light.
Good night everyone. Great win and I was happy to be there. Were you? ?-(
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on February 11, 2012, 10:29:19 PM
... and I disagree with the idea that the BC hurts recruiting.
You think that Seton Hall thought the BC was a dump when LeBron and Wade were sitting in the front row? How about when John Wall attends a game. Or Brandon Jennings.
I have no idea how to measure this but let me suggest that MU players play in front of more NBA players that did not play at MU than any school in the country. We are one of the few teams that plays in an NBA arena, a few blocks from the Pfister (where the visiting teams stay) and what else is an NBA player going to do when in town and MU is playing?
The BC is a recruiting tool that many schools can only dream about and we have lost no recruits because a few rows at the very top were empty or because it did not sound loud enough on ESPN. These are arguments that old "traditional" guys have on message boards.
+1 The BC helps deliver recruits. I would hate to see the Bucks leave Milwaukee, which unfortunately is a distinct possibility.
I'm sure MU had 5,000 more fans then the Bucks tonight, but we will have to wait till MUMAC is finished counting!!!
Times must be great when we can get two pages of comments debating whether a crowd of 18,815, 215 above listed arena capacity, can be considered good or not.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on February 11, 2012, 10:25:37 PM
I agree with this. There are also more UW, UWM and possibly even more Whitewater alumni in the Milwaukee area. Getting 18,000+ more than a sell-out at nearly 19,000 against an unranked team to me is a great accomplishment.
Corrected
The Bucks drew 17,723 tonight. So MU outdrew the Bucks by more than a 1,000 and in total 36,538 people watched basketball in the BC today.
Is this a one day record for the BC?
I recall one time when MU played Louisville or Pitt, the Bucks played that night. They announced at that time it set the record. I know MU's attendance that day was over 19,000. Think the Bucks may have been over 18,000, but not sure.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on February 11, 2012, 10:38:02 PM
The Bucks drew 17,723 tonight. So MU outdrew the Bucks by more than a 1,000 and in total 36,538 people watched basketball in the BC today.
Is this a one day record for the BC?
The Brathouse must have made a killing!!
I absolutely hate the excuse that fans don't show up because of the opponent. That's the weakest sauce ever. You are there to see MU and root for MU to win. It shouldn't matter one damn bit who they play. If it does, you simply aren't that big of a fan.
It was a good win when people bitch and moan about an OVER CAPACITY CROWD. We could win the national championship and people would complain about how many MU fans made it to the game.
There are degrees of fanaticism. That's why there aren't 18,815 on MUScoop.
That's a great crowd, and while I would have liked to have been there I was instead in Appleton watching a Lawrence University women's BB game. There were many empty seats in the stands. I did not see any reason to complain or point it out to the AD.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on February 11, 2012, 11:38:44 PM
It was a good win when people bitch and moan about an OVER CAPACITY CROWD. We could win the national championship and people would complain about how many MU fans made it to the game.
Im with you tall titan GET READY GET READY--upward and onward
I was a student during the fat dumb and happy years. Back in the day when we had to use typewriters for papers. Anyway.
We went to all the games. We scheduled our studying around the games. We had fun. I turned out OK.
Quote from: Spaniel with a Short Tail on February 11, 2012, 11:41:27 PM
There are degrees of fanaticism. That's why there aren't 18,815 on MUScoop.
That's a great crowd, and while I would have liked to have been there I was instead in Appleton watching a Lawrence University women's BB game. There were many empty seats in the stands. I did not see any reason to complain or point it out to the AD.
everyone here is on a marquette message board, where the hardest of the hardcore come on the internet.
Wow. 2 pages of attendance 'debate'. I for one enjoyed the energy in the building yesterday.
Well, on March 3rd I guess I get to do my part. I'm taking 3 outstanding HS Seniors to the game on 'Admitted Students' Day. I've arranged lunch for them down in the Courtside Club where they'll get to high five the players before the game. Then, I'll get them up in their seats before all the cool films start on the jumbotron followed by MU's NBA level introduction ceremony. They'll see the Bradley fill to the rim and, God willing, watch our Golden Eagles (no new debate here boys and girls) put a beatdown on the Hoyas.
And just maybe on Sunday they'll send in their deposit.
Instead of bitching . . .
Quote from: ringout on February 12, 2012, 12:12:48 AM
I was a student during the fat dumb and happy years. Back in the day when we had to use typewriters for papers. Anyway.
We went to all the games. We scheduled our studying around the games. We had fun. I turned out OK.
By the dumb and happy years I assume you mean arena years.
http://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_basketball/season_by_season_attendance
Year Total Average Notes
1967-68 157,817 10,521
1968-69 153,152 10,210
1969-70 160,558 10,035
1970-71 160,011 10,668
1971-72 171,936 10,746
1972-73 159,553 10,637
1973-74 160,590 10,706
1974-75 164,070 10,938 All Games Sold Out
1975-76 164,070 10,938 All Games Sold Out
1976-77 175,008 10,938 All Games Sold Out
1977-78 185,946 10,938 All Games Sold Out
1978-79 175,008 10,938 All Games Sold Out
1979-80 161,510 10,767
1980-81 173,478 10,842
1981-82 174,333 10,896
1982-83 174,092 10,881
1983-84 170,623 10,664
1984-85 174,288 10,252
1985-86 170,289 10,017
1986-87 169,478 10,592
1987-88 169,832 10,615
1988-89 203,337 11,961
It took a trip to the final game in 1974 regular top 5 rankings and a championship in 1977 to sell out the Arena. And that only last 5 years.
Now we draw 15,000 to 16,000 year for a consistent 1st or 2nd round team.
This was the first home weekend game with students back from break. I don't consider MLK a weekend game. On the road for two more weekend games now. Imagine SYR getting that type of schedule? No way!!!
I buy tickets for friends (upper bowl) for about 8 games each year. At half time, one of them said "this was the first game this year that you could feel the upper bowl folks getting into the game."
(This is why I wouldn't sit in the upper bowl.)
Well hilltopper. I think the lower only holds something like 8,000. (Someone please post the exact number.) I'm glad there are plenty of folks (including me) willing to subject themselves to the far reaches of the arena.
Quote from: MUMac on February 11, 2012, 09:15:47 PM
I thought the crowd was good today. Loud when it mattered. Wish it would have made it above 19,000. Not many Saturday games, and with how MU is playing, would hope to seem more love.
According the MU media guide, here are the largest single game attendance records.
http://issuu.com/marquettesid/docs/mubb_guide_2011-12
1. 19,144 Syracuse March 7, 2009 L 86-79
2. 19,091 Uconn February 25, 2009 L 93-82
3. 19,085 Georgetown March 1, 2008 L 70-68
4. 19,074 Wisconsin December 11, 2011 L 69-64
5. 19,041 Georgetown January 31, 2009 W 94-82
6. 19,037 Pittsburgh March 3, 2007 W 75-71
7. 19,032 Syracuse January 29, 2011 W 76-70
8. 19,021 DePaul December 9, 2006 W 84-82
9. 19,020 Wisconsin February 15, 2008 L 70-66
10. 19,011 Pittsburgh February 18, 2006 W 72-54
11. 19,007 Pittsburgh February 18, 2006 W 84-82
12. 18,949 DePaul January 24, 2009 W 91-82
Only 11 games have been above 19,000. None of the names of these 11 teams are named Cincinnati. They are DePaul, Wisconsin or highly ranked teams.
Given this standard, it makes yesterday's 18,815 against an unranked team all the more impressive and those that whine about the crowd look all the more ridiculous.
A new record at the Georgetown game seems possible. "Boy is this great!"
Maybe the 4 extra you're bringin' will be the difference.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on February 12, 2012, 08:43:33 AM
According the MU media guide, here are the largest single game attendance records.
http://issuu.com/marquettesid/docs/mubb_guide_2011-12
1. 19,144 Syracuse March 7, 2009 L 86-79
2. 19,091 Uconn February 25, 2009 L 93-82
3. 19,085 Georgetown March 1, 2008 L 70-68
4. 19,074 Wisconsin December 11, 2011 L 69-64
5. 19,041 Georgetown January 31, 2009 W 94-82
6. 19,037 Pittsburgh March 3, 2007 W 75-71
7. 19,032 Syracuse January 29, 2011 W 76-70
8. 19,021 DePaul December 9, 2006 W 84-82
9. 19,020 Wisconsin February 15, 2008 L 70-66
10. 19,011 Pittsburgh February 18, 2006 W 72-54
11. 19,007 Pittsburgh February 18, 2006 W 84-82
12. 18,949 DePaul January 24, 2009 W 91-82
Only 11 games have been above 19,000. None of the names of these 11 teams are named Cincinnati. They are DePaul, Wisconsin or highly ranked teams.
Given this standard, it makes yesterday's 18,815 against an unranked team all the more impressive and those that whine about the crowd look all the more ridiculous.
Wow. I was told that TC pumped up numbers to break records. 7 of these are in the Buzz era.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on February 12, 2012, 08:59:03 AM
Maybe the 4 extra you're bringin' will be the difference.
Be great. For those not in the know, the newly admitted High School senior class gets invited to the Georgetown game as part of their acceptance package. When we purchased tickets for the 3 guys via their special code, only 45 tickets were still available (out of I'd guess 750-1,000 set aside by the university.)