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Title: Coach Williams' Comments Regarding Davante Gardner
Post by: UticaBusBarn on February 10, 2012, 07:07:04 AM
Is it this writer's reaction, or is Coach Williams offering some rather insensitive comments regarding Mr. Gardner?

Coach Williams, always is trying to be super-sentive, and usually prefaces his comments with statements like, "Don't mean this to be disrespectful ...", etc.

Yet, he refers to Davante Gardner, after his injury at Villinova, as something out of Sea World. Another time, Coach Williams said he could out-jump, out run and was in better shape than Gardner. Yesterday, Coach Williams indicated Mr. Gardner is just a fat guy who makes buckets.

Excuse me? Putting aside that Mr. Gardner also draws fouls, gets assists, rebounds, can shoot free throws, and seems to be particularly good in the proverbial clutch, these comments hardly seem sensitive, or supportive of one of your team members - an injured team member, no less.

Maybe, these comments were intended to be funny, where taken out of context, or are Coach Williams way of motiving Davante Gardner. However, coming from the Coach of a major college team (who also has a propensity towards chubbiness) seems, well, immature and insensitive ... particularly to an injured player.
Title: Re: Coach Williams' Comments Regarding Davante Gardner
Post by: chapman on February 10, 2012, 07:33:22 AM
Quote from: UticaBusBarn on February 10, 2012, 07:07:04 AM
or are Coach Williams way of motiving Davante Gardner.

Well, at least you found the answer there.  Buzz is hardest on the players he gets along with best.  If DG wanted to be babied as a basketball player he wouldn't be here.  Buzz knows the value Gardner has to the team.
Title: Re: Coach Williams' Comments Regarding Davante Gardner
Post by: NoCheese on February 10, 2012, 07:38:35 AM
I was hoping all posters were going to ignore this thread. Let's just ignore this thread.
Title: Re: Coach Williams' Comments Regarding Davante Gardner
Post by: Stretchdeltsig on February 10, 2012, 08:12:39 AM
I agree that Buzz does seem to knock the players personally quite a bit.  And he often degrades them as per his comments about Otule, Gardner and Crowder.  There is no need for the head coach to be knocking the players.  What's the point?  is that why he recruited Durley, so he can knock him.
Title: Re: Coach Williams' Comments Regarding Davante Gardner
Post by: mu2010km on February 10, 2012, 08:15:59 AM
giving gardner crap may in fact motivate him... 

yesterday I read the "bo ellis jersey article". ellis mentioned that during the '77 championship game, al had some choice words for players.  he pissed the players off, but got them pumped.  it motivated them. they won.

maybe buzz is trying the same with gardner?
Title: Re: Coach Williams' Comments Regarding Davante Gardner
Post by: PuertoRicanNightmare on February 10, 2012, 08:23:01 AM
Anybody who thinks this kind of thing is harmful clearly has no male friends or experience in team sports.
Title: Re: Coach Williams' Comments Regarding Davante Gardner
Post by: GGGG on February 10, 2012, 08:26:58 AM
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on February 10, 2012, 08:23:01 AM
Anybody who thinks this kind of thing is harmful clearly has no male friends or experience in team sports.


Exactly.  When I play pick up ball, all we do is give one another sh*t the entire time.    I don't even think its a motivational technique...and Buzz probably gets it back at him.
Title: Re: Coach Williams' Comments Regarding Davante Gardner
Post by: Henry Sugar on February 10, 2012, 08:30:13 AM
SHEESH!
Title: Re: Coach Williams' Comments Regarding Davante Gardner
Post by: Windyplayer on February 10, 2012, 08:39:18 AM
Quote from: Henry Sugar on February 10, 2012, 08:30:13 AM
SHEESH!
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Title: Re: Coach Williams' Comments Regarding Davante Gardner
Post by: spartan3186 on February 10, 2012, 08:41:59 AM
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on February 10, 2012, 08:26:58 AM

Exactly.  When I play pick up ball, all we do is give one another sh*t the entire time.    I don't even think its a motivational technique...and Buzz probably gets it back at him.

To be fair, those comments also are not made to the media. I'm totally fine with Buzz calling Davante a fata$$ or whatever else he wants to call him in practice. I think its a little bit in poor taste to call him fat in the media.

Thant being said, I'm also not going to complain about it.
Title: Re: Coach Williams' Comments Regarding Davante Gardner
Post by: MU82 on February 10, 2012, 08:46:58 AM
Quote from: mu2010km on February 10, 2012, 08:15:59 AM
giving gardner crap may in fact motivate him... 

yesterday I read the "bo ellis jersey article". ellis mentioned that during the '77 championship game, al had some choice words for players.  he pissed the players off, but got them pumped.  it motivated them. they won.

maybe buzz is trying the same with gardner?

Al constantly rode his players in practice and regularly poked fun at them during his press conferences. It was considered part of his  charm, and the players loved him.

Because of their personalities and their delivery styles, some coaches can get away with this and some can't. Buzz seems to be one who can, partly because he is so self-deprecating. We'll see over time if that's true.
Title: Re: Coach Williams' Comments Regarding Davante Gardner
Post by: downtown85 on February 10, 2012, 09:10:55 AM
Does anyone remember what Pitino said about Caracter (the overweight forward who played at Lousiville a few years back?  I thought his comments, taken out of context, could be considered insensitive.  I think it is simply the coach trying to motivate the player. 

BTW, if Gardner could get down to around 260, watch out.  His mobility and hops would be a lot better and he could probably play for extended minutes due to improved conditioning.  If anyone saw some of the video of him playing at the pro-am he showed he can do a lot more than post moves on the offensive end. 

I think Buzz has probably tried the carrot (telling how good he can be) now he is just using a little stick (being a bit insulting to the guy). 
Title: Re: Coach Williams' Comments Regarding Davante Gardner
Post by: TallTitan34 on February 10, 2012, 09:14:20 AM
If a player can't handle what Buzz says, I don't think they are tough enough to play DI basketball.  That being said I think all of our players can handle what Buzz says about them.

(My favorite was at Marquette Madness when Buzz was handing out Sweet 16 rings.  When he announced Jamail Jones the crowd cheered to which Buzz replied, "I don't know why they are cheering for you.  You never get off the bench.")
Title: Re: Coach Williams' Comments Regarding Davante Gardner
Post by: frozena pizza on February 10, 2012, 09:20:58 AM
I seem to remember Buzz saying at some point that from day 1 he has been that way with Gardner, even when he was recruiting him.  Maybe DG likes the fact that Buzz is genuine and doesn't just try to play up his ego.  Whatever he is doing Gardner has responded and has exceeded everyone's expectations.
Title: Re: Coach Williams' Comments Regarding Davante Gardner
Post by: MarquetteDano on February 10, 2012, 09:32:09 AM
Quote from: frozena pizza on February 10, 2012, 09:20:58 AM
I seem to remember Buzz saying at some point that from day 1 he has been that way with Gardner, even when he was recruiting him.  Maybe DG likes the fact that Buzz is genuine and doesn't just try to play up his ego.  Whatever he is doing Gardner has responded and has exceeded everyone's expectations.

One would hope Buzz knows his players.  If they can take it both in practice, at the game, and in the media then it's fine.  As long as he recognizes when he has a player who can't take it and needs to lay off I see no problem from a team standpoint.

From a PC/media perspective there may be a problem.  So if the player doesn't care do we care what the general public thinks?  In this case, I don't.
Title: Re: Coach Williams' Comments Regarding Davante Gardner
Post by: The Lens on February 10, 2012, 09:34:22 AM
No time to reply, need to make trophies for everyone in my son's soccer league.  We're all winners!
Title: Re: Coach Williams' Comments Regarding Davante Gardner
Post by: mu03eng on February 10, 2012, 09:34:38 AM
Clearly there are folks that have never played sports at a competitive level on this board.  Probably all the same people that don't let their kids keep score in their youth rec leagues.

Calling players out, trash talk, getting in someones face, its all part of the game.  Call it motivation or honesty or whatever, every coach does it.  And at the end I'd be willing to bet a sizable amount of coin that Buzz does it less than most other coaches and is just as quick to praise someone when they do it right.

We be chillin' doe
Title: Re: Coach Williams' Comments Regarding Davante Gardner
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on February 10, 2012, 09:36:45 AM
Quote from: msbjim on February 10, 2012, 08:12:39 AM
I agree that Buzz does seem to knock the players personally quite a bit.  And he often degrades them as per his comments about Otule, Gardner and Crowder.  There is no need for the head coach to be knocking the players.  What's the point?  is that why he recruited Durley, so he can knock him.
You nailed it!  Buzz recruited a 6'11" 270lb kid for the sole purpose of giving him s**t during practice and in the media.  Team whipping boy.  Geez...
Title: Re: Coach Williams' Comments Regarding Davante Gardner
Post by: frozena pizza on February 10, 2012, 09:42:39 AM
To paraphrase Dan Hawkins, "It's Division 1 basketball!  It's the Big East!  This ain't intramurals!  If you're bummed about being called fat, go play intramurals brother."
Title: Re: Coach Williams' Comments Regarding Davante Gardner
Post by: tower912 on February 10, 2012, 09:45:04 AM
Or it could be a riff to future recruits.   "Hey, look what I was able to accomplish with the worst player over 6'2 in Texas and a short fat guy who looks like he belongs in seaworld.   If I turn them into players and win with them, imagine what I can do with somebody 6'10, athletic, who can walk and chew gum at the same time."     We seriously need to play more games more often so that the Marquette Worrier fanbase can't get torqued up.  
Title: Re: Coach Williams' Comments Regarding Davante Gardner
Post by: Milkshakes on February 10, 2012, 09:55:36 AM
Quote from: mu03eng on February 10, 2012, 09:34:38 AM
Clearly there are folks that have never played sports at a competitive level on this board.  Probably all the same people that don't let their kids keep score in their youth rec leagues.

In my experience we gave each other loads of grief within the team.  Publically, however, we had each other's back at any cost even if you really didn't like the guy.  I think that is the issue here.  Buzz can ride them to the cows come home in practice, in the game, and everywhere else.  To the media though I think he should take a different tone.
Title: Re: Coach Williams' Comments Regarding Davante Gardner
Post by: warthog-driver on February 10, 2012, 09:56:13 AM
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on February 10, 2012, 08:23:01 AM
Anybody who thinks this kind of thing is harmful clearly has no male friends or experience in team sports.

+1 Or spent time in an Air Force fighter squadron
Title: Re: Coach Williams' Comments Regarding Davante Gardner
Post by: tower912 on February 10, 2012, 10:09:01 AM
Or in a fire station.
Title: Re: Coach Williams' Comments Regarding Davante Gardner
Post by: wadesworld on February 10, 2012, 10:11:40 AM
Quote from: UticaBusBarn on February 10, 2012, 07:07:04 AM
However, coming from the Coach of a major college team (who also has a propensity towards chubbiness) seems, well, immature and insensitive ... particularly to an injured player.

You haven't seen Buzz up close this year then.  He has lost a TON of weight and is really thin now.
Title: Re: Coach Williams' Comments Regarding Davante Gardner
Post by: MUWarrior4Life on February 10, 2012, 10:17:50 AM
Give it a rest, U reading 2 much into everything
Title: Re: Coach Williams' Comments Regarding Davante Gardner
Post by: mu03eng on February 10, 2012, 12:09:50 PM
Quote from: tower912 on February 10, 2012, 10:09:01 AM
Or in a fire station.

Or a Fortune 500 company......ummm.....<slinks out of room>
Title: Re: Coach Williams' Comments Regarding Davante Gardner
Post by: 🏀 on February 10, 2012, 12:22:27 PM
nt
Title: Re: Coach Williams' Comments Regarding Davante Gardner
Post by: JD on February 10, 2012, 01:29:31 PM
Or McDonalds!

(chirp, chirp)
Title: Re: Coach Williams' Comments Regarding Davante Gardner
Post by: wildbill sb on February 10, 2012, 01:40:32 PM
Quote from: mu03eng on February 10, 2012, 12:09:50 PM
Or a Fortune 500 company......ummm.....<slinks out of room>

Or in a ballet company.........so there!
Title: Re: Coach Williams' Comments Regarding Davante Gardner
Post by: bilsu on February 10, 2012, 09:49:57 PM
Quote from: UticaBusBarn on February 10, 2012, 07:07:04 AM
Is it this writer's reaction, or is Coach Williams offering some rather insensitive comments regarding Mr. Gardner?

Coach Williams, always is trying to be super-sentive, and usually prefaces his comments with statements like, "Don't mean this to be disrespectful ...", etc.

Yet, he refers to Davante Gardner, after his injury at Villinova, as something out of Sea World. Another time, Coach Williams said he could out-jump, out run and was in better shape than Gardner. Yesterday, Coach Williams indicated Mr. Gardner is just a fat guy who makes buckets.

Excuse me? Putting aside that Mr. Gardner also draws fouls, gets assists, rebounds, can shoot free throws, and seems to be particularly good in the proverbial clutch, these comments hardly seem sensitive, or supportive of one of your team members - an injured team member, no less.

Maybe, these comments were intended to be funny, where taken out of context, or are Coach Williams way of motiving Davante Gardner. However, coming from the Coach of a major college team (who also has a propensity towards chubbiness) seems, well, immature and insensitive ... particularly to an injured player.
It is bleeding hearts like you that prevent us from being called warriors.
Title: Re: Coach Williams' Comments Regarding Davante Gardner
Post by: Dawson Rental on February 10, 2012, 11:12:38 PM
Quote from: msbjim on February 10, 2012, 08:12:39 AM
I agree that Buzz does seem to knock the players personally quite a bit.  And he often degrades them as per his comments about Otule, Gardner and Crowder.  There is no need for the head coach to be knocking the players.  What's the point?  is that why he recruited Durley, so he can knock him.

Excellent comments.  You obviously know far more about what is happening with the MU basketball team and what needs to be done than Coach Williams.  I suggest that this board start an immediate petition drive to have Coach Williams replaced by yourself.
Title: Re: Coach Williams' Comments Regarding Davante Gardner
Post by: Dawson Rental on February 10, 2012, 11:19:06 PM
Quote from: UticaBusBarn on February 10, 2012, 07:07:04 AM
Is it this writer's reaction, or is Coach Williams offering some rather insensitive comments regarding Mr. Gardner?

Coach Williams, always is trying to be super-sentive, and usually prefaces his comments with statements like, "Don't mean this to be disrespectful ...", etc.

Yet, he refers to Davante Gardner, after his injury at Villinova, as something out of Sea World. Another time, Coach Williams said he could out-jump, out run and was in better shape than Gardner. Yesterday, Coach Williams indicated Mr. Gardner is just a fat guy who makes buckets.

Excuse me? Putting aside that Mr. Gardner also draws fouls, gets assists, rebounds, can shoot free throws, and seems to be particularly good in the proverbial clutch, these comments hardly seem sensitive, or supportive of one of your team members - an injured team member, no less.

Maybe, these comments were intended to be funny, where taken out of context, or are Coach Williams way of motiving Davante Gardner. However, coming from the Coach of a major college team (who also has a propensity towards chubbiness) seems, well, immature and insensitive ... particularly to an injured player.

If you had been tracking all of Coach Williams comments about Gardner, then you would have seen his comments where he said that he was very mean to Davante, even in front of his parents, when he was recruiting him.  so Davante has no reason to be surprised by the most recent comments.  I'm sure that Davante is well aware that Coach Williams wants him at a lower weight, so that he can be even more effective as a basketball player, and that these comments are his way of keeping the pressure on for him to do so.
Title: Re: Coach Williams' Comments Regarding Davante Gardner
Post by: Benny B on February 10, 2012, 11:44:57 PM
It's a sad world we live in where the people who cry outrage when someone calls another person a name are the same people who turn their heads when someone is getting beaten with sticks and stones.
Title: Re: Coach Williams' Comments Regarding Davante Gardner
Post by: NickelDimer on February 11, 2012, 12:19:08 AM
Ask JFB how buzz's "mistreatment" turned out for him
Title: Re: Coach Williams' Comments Regarding Davante Gardner
Post by: Dawson Rental on February 11, 2012, 12:27:30 AM
I posted the following in April of 2010 when Davante was being recruited.

"What scares me about the video is the woman holding the "Beware of the Dog" sign.  She's quite heavy, and if she were Davante's mother, it would seem to suggest that Davante grew up in a household where there were psychological issues regarding food.  (i.e eating to relieve boredom, over serving food as a sign of love by the parent, not overeating seen as a sign of rejection by the child)  If that's the case, then a nutritionist and trainer will have will not be able to get Davante's weight down without help from a weight counselor.  My perspective on this is from knowing of a situation concerning an obese teen who had stomach stapling surgery."
Title: Re: Coach Williams' Comments Regarding Davante Gardner
Post by: Lennys Tap on February 11, 2012, 07:19:10 AM
Quote from: The Lens on February 10, 2012, 09:34:22 AM
No time to reply, need to make trophies for everyone in my son's soccer league.  We're all winners!

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