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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: MUWarriors92 on February 09, 2012, 01:21:29 PM
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Anyone else notice the attendance in the student section this year being down from past years? (When they are there everyone sits down and acts disinterested in the game) What are the thoughts? NBA Lockout causing the majority of MU games to be scheduled on the weekday nights? Students losing interest in MU Basketball? I remember the days of Wade and the Big Three where the student sections were big and they all stood and cheered for the ENTIRE GAME.
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Yes, but the fact that this thread exists means we must be winning.
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I remember the days of Wade and the Big Three where the student sections were big and they all stood and cheered for the ENTIRE GAME.
You remember the big 3? Crap that must be like 4 years ago.
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Yes, but the fact that this thread exists means we must be winning.
That and the thread about the Warriors.
So let's get this over with... students these days are hairy wet cats.
/looks forward to a current student telling me how much harder Marquette is than when I attended.
//enjoys that there's no auto-correct for hairy wet cats
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Unfortunately the crowds this year, student section and otherwise, have been pretty small and quiet. But I think there will be a respectable showing for the Cincy game on Saturday (even though I will be a no show) and a great crowd for the Georgetown game.
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I remember my freshman year having about 30 people in the student section and deciding to sit center court instead because the box office let me get best available for student price.
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That and the thread about the Warriors.
So let's get this over with... students these days are hairy wet cats.
/looks forward to a current student telling me how much harder Marquette is than when I attended.
//enjoys that there's no auto-correct for hairy wet cats
I love it.
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muwarriors92 registers at 1:12, Posts this at 1:21
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Next thread started: MU should have a football team
Next Thread Started: Why can't MU recruit McD's All Americans/Big Men than can start on Day one
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I think the threads like this are about nostalgia. Older MU students will claim were drunker, louder and rowdier than the current crop. Last years students were better than this years... its a cycle.
To suggest students are losing interest in Basketball is flat out wrong.
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We had Kim Mueller, Assistant Athletic Director of Marketing and Sales in one of my classes the other day. She said that while sales of student tickets were down, (most likely due to an increase in price) actual attendance, meaning number of student tickets scanned at each game, is on par with what it has been in the past 5 years.
And while I would agree that it seems as if the student section is not as enthusiastic as it was in the past, I'd say that is a result of a lack of marquee games in the Bradley Center this season. The closest thing we've had so far has been Louisville, and I'd say the turnout and enthusiasm was very good for that game. We'll see how things are this weekend. I expect a very enthusiastic and full student section for Cincinnati.
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Next Thread Started: Why can't MU recruit McD's All Americans/Big Men than can start on Day one
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Ari, this is a classic when MU is losing/struggling thread. Goes with the always enjoyable, "This team has no senior leadership".
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hairy wet cats!
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ummm...school wasn't even in session for the first four home BE games....with the best student crowd of the year the MLK Monday afternoon game with school starting back the next day. For the USF and Hall games, students came later after class for the 7PM start. Now there are sellouts for the UC and GU games at least. Maybe if MU wants to sell more student season ticket packages, they resume school a week earlier like other schools?
The BC should be a rockin on Saturday.
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I'm a junior, and attendance/intensity of the student section has not diminished this year. I would argue it's slightly better than my previous two years, and that's with a pretty weak home schedule.
You will see great crowds for Cincy and Gtown.
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This is what I have gathered based on what my daughter has told me (whether it is why she isn't attending a particular game or her acquaintances haven’t):
1. Weeknight games are rough when you have a test the next day or other studying to do. Weekend games are much easier to plan one's academics around. As a parent shelling out tens of thousands of dollars for my kid’s tuition, I have no issue whatsoever with this excuse.
2. Money is tight for a lot of kids and their families, and many students find it hard to justify dropping $100 for season tickets when they can't attend every game. It is my understanding they have really jacked up the price in the last couple of years.
3. The online ticket exchange system has created a very efficient secondary market for student tickets. Some kids didn’t buy season tickets because they know for most of the games they really care about, getting a ticket is as easy as posting on Facebook that you want one, and having a buddy who isn't going email it to you.
3. Right or wrong, several kids did not buy season tickets in protest of the whole sexual assault issue.
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I'm a junior, and attendance/intensity of the student section has not diminished this year. I would argue it's slightly better than my previous two years, and that's with a pretty weak home schedule.
You will see great crowds for Cincy and Gtown.
I agree that there will be big crowds for these two upcoming home games. But students sitting down in the upper deck and at the top of the lower deck??? What kind of student section is that?
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I agree that there will be big crowds for these two upcoming home games. But students sitting down in the upper deck and at the top of the lower deck??? What kind of student section is that?
Better seats, can't blame em for that.
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As mentioned above: Way too many weeknight games. Bad for students and bad for most regular fans that live out of town. I for one have been a disapponted season ticket holder this year. With young children, I just can't make many of these weeknight games, since I have an hour drive. I've had to give most of my tickets away this year. I sure hope for more weekend games next year.
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Money shouldn't really be that big of an excuse.....Im a Sophomore and go to school 10 minutes away from Marquette and I dished out $400 for season tickets this year..... ;D......maybe I just have my priorities right?
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That and the thread about the Warriors.
So let's get this over with... students these days are hairy wet cats.
/looks forward to a current student telling me how much harder Marquette is than when I attended.
//enjoys that there's no auto-correct for hairy wet cats
Back when I was at Marquette, we had to walk 20 miles from the dorm to class. Each way. In the snow. And we liked it!
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I remember my freshman year having about 30 people in the student section and deciding to sit center court instead because the box office let me get best available for student price.
At least we dont have a student section like Depaul's where the ADs are offering midcourt seats to opposing fans with student section tickets. I got student tickets from my brother's friend for the Depaul game, and we got there about 30 minutes before tip when there were hardly any students. The Depaul Asst AD noticed us in gold and asked us if we wanted to move because "you're having a good season and were really struggling, and it would look better for us to not have gold shirts in the student section." He upgraded us to third row behind the MU bench!
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At least we dont have a student section like Depaul's where the ADs are offering midcourt seats to opposing fans with student section tickets. I got student tickets from my brother's friend for the Depaul game, and we got there about 30 minutes before tip when there were hardly any students. The Depaul Asst AD noticed us in gold and asked us if we wanted to move because "you're having a good season and were really struggling, and it would look better for us to not have gold shirts in the student section." He upgraded us to third room behind the MU bench!
That. is. Awesome.
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Anyone else notice the attendance in the student section this year being down from past years? (When they are there everyone sits down and acts disinterested in the game) What are the thoughts? NBA Lockout causing the majority of MU games to be scheduled on the weekday nights? Students losing interest in MU Basketball? I remember the days of Wade and the Big Three where the student sections were big and they all stood and cheered for the ENTIRE GAME.
From the "Crowds Have Sucked This Year Thread" (because we never talk about this)
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=30014.msg348941#msg348941
Here is the NCAA basketball attendance stats
http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/m_basketball_RB/Reports/attendanceYBYtop25.pdf
Its shows the top 10 nationally from 1970 to 1977. 1978 forward is top 25
Here is MU numbers
National
Year Rank Avg Attendance
1970 to 1977 not in top 10
1978 21 10,938
1979 not in top 25
1980 23 10,671
1981 22 10,842
1982 19 10,986
1983 19 10,881
1984 to 1988 not in top 25
1989 - Moved to Bradley Center
1989 23 11,954
1990 21 13,301
1991 18 13,433
1992 not in top 25
1993 20 13,443
1994 14 14,340
1995 25 12,814
1996 16 12,751
1997 to 2001 not in top 25
2002 12 12,680
2003 11 15,553
2004 12 15,291
2005 21 11,965
2006 18 13,998
2007 20 15,345
2008 14 16,239
2009 10 16,200
2010 10 15,617
2011 11 15,586
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The four best years for MU are the last four years. MU's numbers get better over time, not worse.
Those that think our crowds suck now either forgot or were not paying attention in 1997 to 2001.
Here is this Year attendence so far:
Day Date Opponent Attendence Average
Friday 11/11/2011 Mount St. Mary 13,834
Monday 11/14/2011 Norfolk State 12,765 13,300
Monday 11/28/2011 Jacksonville 12,848 13,149
Saturday 12/10/2011 Green Bay 14,208 13,414
Saturday 12/17/2011 Northern Colorado 13,593 13,450
Thursday 12/22/2011 UWM 14,917 13,694
Thursday 12/29/2011 Vanderbilt 15,684 13,978
Sunday 1/1/2012 Villanova 14,550 14,050
Wed 1/11/2012 St. Johns 14,484 14,098
Saturday 1/14/2012 Pittsburgh 18,404 14,529
Monday 1/16/2012 Louisville 16,688 14,725
Tuesday 1/24/2012 USF 13,693 14,639
Tuesday 1/31/2012 Steton Hall 13,828 14,577
Saturday 2/11/2012 Cincy
Wed 2/22/2012 Rutgers
Saturday 3/3/2012 Georgetown
Note that we only had three Weekend games so far (not counting Nova as that was break)... and only one since December 10. Further note that the Saturday game against Pitt had 18,000. Fortunately we still have two more Saturday games. (If we average 18k against Cincy and GU, both Saturday games, and 14k against Rutgers, a Wednesday game, we will finish the year with a season average of 15,000. This again will make us the only non-football team in the top 20 of national attendance.)
Conclusions
Attendance is suffering from a lack of weekend games... maybe as was mentioned before it due to the NBA lockout giving the Bucks more weekend spots and less for us.
Second, those that think it was better during Wade are misremembering reality. Attendance was not that good back then, like now.
Counting down for the next thread to start about crappy attendance in 3,2,1 ...
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As mentioned above: Way too many weeknight games. Bad for students and bad for most regular fans that live out of town. I for one have been a disapponted season ticket holder this year. With young children, I just can't make many of these weeknight games, since I have an hour drive. I've had to give most of my tickets away this year. I sure hope for more weekend games next year.
Weeknight games are good for ESPN. Case closed.
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Weeknight games are good for ESPN. Case closed.
for ratings, yes, attendance, no.
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2. Money is tight for a lot of kids and their families, and many students find it hard to justify dropping $100 for season tickets when they can't attend every game. It is my understanding they have really jacked up the price in the last couple of years.
This is true. I'm not sure what student tickets cost now, but if its north of $100, that's an almost 100% increase. My time at MU, which included the Final Four and MU's first season in the Big East, season tickets for students were $55, and it wasn't always Syracuses and Georgetowns coming to the BC. Nothing quite beats losing to TCU at home.
However, I suspect this is not the case for a lot of people. Over a 16-game home slate, that price increase comes out to an increase of less than $3 per game ($3.44 per game to $6.25 per game). Basically, if you can't justify buying season tickets due to the price increase, even with the knowledge you are going to eat a few tickets a year, your margins have gotta be razor thin.
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At least we dont have a student section like Depaul's where the ADs are offering midcourt seats to opposing fans with student section tickets. I got student tickets from my brother's friend for the Depaul game, and we got there about 30 minutes before tip when there were hardly any students. The Depaul Asst AD noticed us in gold and asked us if we wanted to move because "you're having a good season and were really struggling, and it would look better for us to not have gold shirts in the student section." He upgraded us to third row behind the MU bench!
I actually feel bad for DePaul folks because of this.
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Georgetown and Villanova are not that far ahead of DePaul. They only average about 11k/12k a game versus 15k/16k for MU. Pitts attendance has collapsed this year as well. Do I need to remind everyone that Duke cannot fill it student section, only drawing 650/game.
What we have to realize is ho much worse everyone else is.
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Sales numbers don't count the number of people that actually go through the gates. That could very well be well down this year. Fact is, people and the sport are changing. With gigantic HDTV's everywhere, viewing at home can be preferable to sitting in the nosebleeds, which is about half the BC. Also, everytime I stand up and cheer I get told to sit down or get dirty glances. People enjoy sitting in silence, although yelling at the refs is still acceptable.
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Higher prices for tickets = less money for beer = less enthusiasm.
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Does anyone know if they have expanded the student section within the last several years? If that is the case, it is possible for it to look emptier, even though there are the same number (or even more) students in attendance.
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For as long as my family has had season tickets, I'm pretty sure the student section has stayed the same.
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The atmosphere would be helped immensely if the adults did not sit on their hands most of the game. I went to the DePaul game on Monday night (I'm a senior student ticket holder), and we were standing the whole game toward the back of the lower bowl. Even in that game, it was hard to get the MU adults (which made up about half the attendance) to get real loud and stand up. Sure, the student attendance hasn't been great this year, but the students in the lower bowl have still been loud, and to me that's what matters.
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simple solution
we just need to get bigger faces of erroneous celebrities to make the crowds look fuller. the ones we have now are clearly too small.
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Sure, the student attendance hasn't been great this year, but the students in the lower bowl have still been loud, and to me that's what matters.
Any possibility we have a full and standing student section for this Saturday and for Georgetown at the end of the season? I mean it's National Marquette Day...that should mean something for the student body.
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my brother is a soph, and he tells me most people didn't buy them because they were $110 and with UNCO, UWM, Vandy, Nova, St.Johns, Pitt, and LVille all during winter break, the price of tickets basically boiled down to USF, SHU, Cinci, RU, and GTown for home BEast games while school is in...
that's a tough sell for a lot of kids who are already strapped for cash, and they know they could buy a friend's ticket for $5 last minute (or for free)
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I'm not really sure where people have been getting the "too many weekday games" from. Take a look, weekends are Fri-Sun.
Home - 2011/2012
Weekend/Holiday - 8 (4 conference)
Weekday - 8 (5 conference)
Away/Neutral 2011/2012
Weekend/Holiday - 9 (6 Conference)
Weekday - 6 (3 Conference)
Home - 2010/2011
Weekend/Holiday - 10 (4 conference + Wisconsin)
Weekday - 8 (5 conference)
Away/Neutral 2010/2011
Weekend/Holiday - 6 (5 conference)
Weekday - 7 (4 conference + Vandy + Duke + Gonzaga)
The long and the short of it is that both years were identical in terms of conference home games. The main difference this year is that we played a better non-con schedule which included road and tournament weekend games.
You can't either have a lot of cupcake non-con weekend games, or you can have strong non-con and more weekday games.
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This is what I have gathered based on what my daughter has told me (whether it is why she isn't attending a particular game or her acquaintances haven’t):
1. Weeknight games are rough when you have a test the next day or other studying to do. Weekend games are much easier to plan one's academics around. As a parent shelling out tens of thousands of dollars for my kid’s tuition, I have no issue whatsoever with this excuse.
2. Money is tight for a lot of kids and their families, and many students find it hard to justify dropping $100 for season tickets when they can't attend every game. It is my understanding they have really jacked up the price in the last couple of years.
3. The online ticket exchange system has created a very efficient secondary market for student tickets. Some kids didn’t buy season tickets because they know for most of the games they really care about, getting a ticket is as easy as posting on Facebook that you want one, and having a buddy who isn't going email it to you.
3. Right or wrong, several kids did not buy season tickets in protest of the whole sexual assault issue.
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We have about the same amount of weekend games as we did last season.
I was happy to see that many students at the UWM, Vandy & Pitt games during winter break.
3,670 student season-tickets were sold for 2011-12.
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The student section will never fill up over winter break. So far our only weekend games of note have been over break so no surprise there. For the average MU student who likes basketball but ultimately doesn't care one way or the other, Cinci and Georgetown will be the 2 weekend games they actually go to.
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Any possibility we have a full and standing student section for this Saturday and for Georgetown at the end of the season? I mean it's National Marquette Day...that should mean something for the student body.
I said this in another thread on the same topic and I'll say it again. I am a huge MU fan and watch every single game. I don't feel the need to stand up for an entire game when it is not a huge match-up. I obviously get pumped and want to stand during exciting parts, but I don't feel the need to stand up and act like an assclown the whole time. The upcoming Cincy and GU games I would categorize as a huge match-up. I wouldn't consider the USF, SH or any home game prior to XMAS break game a huge match-up. Every home game from No. Colorado to Louisville was on winter break. Simple explanation.
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Back in 1965 I paid 8 dollars for season tickets for 2 reserved seats. There were 16 home games. The best attended game my first 2 seasons was the annual freshman/varsity game. You see Al's freshman recruits beat our varsity those 2 seasons. I recall we averaged about 6-7000 a game in 65-66 and about 8000 in 66-67. By my Junior year basketball tickets were hard to come by and the Old arena was almost totally pack. The Old arean use to have a single seat in each corner of the upper deck and Al would know if we had a sell out when he saw those seats filled.
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Here is MU numbers
National
Year Rank Avg Attendance
1970 to 1977 not in top 10
1978 21 10,938
10,938 was a sell-out in the Milwaukee Arena. That's the only reason Marquette didn't rank higher in attendance. During the McGuire years, they probably could have sold 20,000 tickets for virtually every single home-game. Too bad we had such a small arena.
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Sales numbers don't count the number of people that actually go through the gates. That could very well be well down this year. Fact is, people and the sport are changing. With gigantic HDTV's everywhere, viewing at home can be preferable to sitting in the nosebleeds, which is about half the BC. Also, everytime I stand up and cheer I get told to sit down or get dirty glances. People enjoy sitting in silence, although yelling at the refs is still acceptable.
2. Money is tight for a lot of kids and their families, and many students find it hard to justify dropping $100 for season tickets when they can't attend every game. It is my understanding they have really jacked up the price in the last couple of years.
So tickets are both so cheap that people buy them as don't go to the games preferring to watch games on big HDTVs. And Tickets are so expense that students, that pay $30k/year to go the MU cannot find another $100 for them.
Anyone want to argue that tickets are neither too expensive or too cheap and that is the problem. Then we have all possible angles covered.
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Idk cuz i love marquette
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I didn't care enough about this post to read all of it, but only 2 games were affected by the lockout. Northern Colorado from 1-3pm I think? And another non-conference cream puff moved a couple of house. Sorry if this was mentioned, but we've only had a select few "premiere games" on the weekend this year. Not speaking for myself, however... Ive been to every home game in my 4 years here. Can't explain the attendance here other than I haven't noticed a change relative to the quality of competition.
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That and the thread about the Warriors.
So let's get this over with... students these days are hairy wet cats.
/looks forward to a current student telling me how much harder Marquette is than when I attended.
//enjoys that there's no auto-correct for hairy wet cats
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Off topic but AnotherMU84 just a slight correction. While Creighton was not in top 20 national attendance last year (22nd), they have been in the top 20 from 2006-2010 and will most certainly be top 20 this year. FWIW Marquette's student section is 20x better than Creighton's, they just get much better support from the people of Omaha because they are the only show in town.
Only reason I bring it up is because when people were talking about who they would want in a basketball only conference I rarely saw Creighton get mentioned. I think they would be an excellent member of the hypothetical conference.
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We have about the same amount of weekend games as we did last season.
I was happy to see that many students at the UWM, Vandy & Pitt games during winter break.
3,670 student season-tickets were sold for 2011-12.
Since we repeat this thread over and over, I will repeat my arguments over and over.
Our Student section is 3,670. Duke's Student section is 1,200
MU undergrad enrollment is 8,000 Duke Undergrad enrollment is 6,500
As this article says, Duke can only sell 650 student tickets. The rest are sold to the public.
http://www.dukechronicle.com/article/low-attendance-forces-duke-athletics-sell-student-seats
By almost every objective measure, our crowds are much larger than everyone else.
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ok, this thread is is not about the numbers but about some unmeasurable quality of how loud the crowds are.
Let me give you the real answer ....
1) the crowd expect us to beat inferior quality and its hard to get excited about a Tuesday night game against USF.
Last year MU played a school record 16 top 25 teams in the same season (per Saragain) and finished 6 and 10 in these games. In all of D1 ball last year, only Uconn played more (23) thanks to their runs in the BE and NCAA. For comparison, between 1985 and 1993 (9 years) MU only played a combined total of 15 ranked teams!
The whining here that "back in the day" the crowds were louder was due to lousy MU teams trying to beat mediocre opponents. Now we expect mediocre teams to be beaten. We even expect lower ranked team to be beaten.
2) You want to know why MU students do not act like Ass Clowns? Maybe because the admission standards are higher now and their are less Ass Clowns in the school. "Back in the day" MU took anyone and you spent most of your undergrad years "fat drunk and stupid" and proud of it. Today's MU student study hard and expect to be your boss a few years after graduation.
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2) You want to know why MU students do not act like Ass Clowns? Maybe because the admission standards are higher now and their are less Ass Clowns in the school. "Back in the day" MU took anyone and you spent most of your undergrad years "fat drunk and stupid" and proud of it. Today's MU student study hard and expect to be your boss a few years after graduation.
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And anyone who refers to a student who skip games to study as a "kitten" is an Ass Clown by definition. Some day when you are in the hospital with cirrhosis of the liver and diabetes, it may well be a former Marquette kitten who saves your life. And you will be grateful that kitten didn't blow off studying the chapters on pancreas and liver function to see Marquette whoop Mt. St. Mary's.
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Only one way to resolve this: the MU Marketing Department has to figure out some way to open up the student section to alumni for a game. Let's see how many of us alumni show up in gold and stand and cheer for an entire game. I would be up for it, but I'm also not one of those criticizing the current student body for their game performance. (Plus I'd like to see how many 8 oz. Millers I can fit in my current parka to sneak into the BC!)
Dedicated game, ticket swap, whatever - get to it boys!
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+1 Rocky is a kitten. ;D
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Only one way to resolve this: the MU Marketing Department has to figure out some way to open up the student section to alumni for a game. Let's see how many of us alumni show up in gold and stand and cheer for an entire game. I would be up for it, but I'm also not one of those criticizing the current student body for their game performance. (Plus I'd like to see how many 8 oz. Millers I can fit in my current parka to sneak into the BC!)
Dedicated game, ticket swap, whatever - get to it boys!
I like that idea! I sat (or stood) there for a few games and loved it.
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The Young Alumni Association has tried that a few times in the past (Fanatics Throwback Nights). They had to charge for the tickets however, so turnout was pretty low. If there's enough interest I'm sure they'd look into coordinating another night.
Only one way to resolve this: the MU Marketing Department has to figure out some way to open up the student section to alumni for a game. Let's see how many of us alumni show up in gold and stand and cheer for an entire game. I would be up for it, but I'm also not one of those criticizing the current student body for their game performance. (Plus I'd like to see how many 8 oz. Millers I can fit in my current parka to sneak into the BC!)
Dedicated game, ticket swap, whatever - get to it boys!
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I never bought into the whole "I need to study" excuse. Students have every syllabus well in advance. They know when tests are coming. It's all about time management. If you stay on top of your school work then you won't need to cram the night before a test and you can go do things like enjoy a basketball game. If you put off your work then you'll be studying the night of a game. Students are in class maybe 3-4 hours a day and then work another 4 hours, if that. You can get a lot accomplished with 16 hours of free time a day.
Yes, I'm a quality engineer who works in process improvement ;)
Oh, and the MU student section has always been underwhelming, IMO.
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I never bought into the whole "I need to study" excuse. Students have every syllabus well in advance. They know when tests are coming. It's all about time management. If you stay on top of your school work then you won't need to cram the night before a test and you can go do things like enjoy a basketball game. If you put off your work then you'll be studying the night of a game. Students are in class maybe 3-4 hours a day and then work another 4 hours, if that. You can get a lot accomplished with 16 hours of free time a day.
Yes, I'm a quality engineer who works in process improvement ;)
Oh, and the MU student section has always been underwhelming, IMO.
Trying to get college kids to prepare for a test days before test day? That's never going to happen.
The student section can seem overwhelming, but the arena makes it tough for even a sold out student to be as big of a factor as it is at other schools around the country. It's the pros and cons of playing in an NBA arena, they get to sell way more tickets and way more people get to come to the games, but it's all spread out because it wasn't built to have that "college fanatic" appeal. At the BC, there's like a foot in between rows in the student section, and they are real far away from the court. At Cameron, the students are all on top of each other, packed on top of the court. It makes it look (and feel) a lot more intense.
Plus, in general, I've always been a fan of the student section being parellel with the court, right across from the TV cameras. That way, you're seen the entire game, jumping around and chanting, supporting your team on. Sure, it's cool when the opposing team is shooting free throws right into the student section, but I don't know, I'd like to see how it would work at the BC the other way. Just my opinion.
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I never bought into the whole "I need to study" excuse. Students have every syllabus well in advance. They know when tests are coming. It's all about time management. If you stay on top of your school work then you won't need to cram the night before a test and you can go do things like enjoy a basketball game.
Ahhhh ahahahahahahaahhha. Ahhhh hahahahahahahaha. What a dumb comment.
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I don't think people realize how big of an impact an arena has on a student section. Marquette students are:
a)really, really far away from the court
b)separated into various sections in the lower bowl (106 is isolated from everyone else)
c)separated into two levels (upper and lower bowl)
The Bradley Center could not be any LESS intimate. Compare it to basically any other arena in the country. SLU, ND, Xavier, Mizzou, etc. Those are BASKETBALL arenas. Students are right on top of the court. Honestly, the only reason I like the BC is because they serve beer (I take this for granted!). Other than that, not much I like. Too corporate. Too gimmicky. Too big. Too bland. I'd take consistent sell-outs at a smaller arena anyday.
With all that being said, there's not any other options. The BC is the best (and only) option for MU. It's also a money maker. I get all that. It's just that it severely compromises intimacy and fan experience.
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I don't think people realize how big of an impact an arena has on a student section. Marquette students are:
a)really, really far away from the court
b)separated into various sections in the lower bowl (106 is isolated from everyone else)
c)separated into two levels (upper and lower bowl)
The Bradley Center could not be any LESS intimate. Compare it to basically any other arena in the country. SLU, ND, Xavier, Mizzou, etc. Those are BASKETBALL arenas. Students are right on top of the court. Honestly, the only reason I like the BC is because they serve beer (I take this for granted!). Other than that, not much I like. Too corporate. Too gimmicky. Too big. Too bland. I'd take consistent sell-outs at a smaller arena anyday.
With all that being said, there's not any other options. The BC is the best (and only) option for MU. It's also a money maker. I get all that. It's just that it severely compromises intimacy and fan experience.
And it sells alcohol...
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And it sells alcohol...
All that needs to be said.
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All that needs to be said.
Which, I agree, is a huge plus. But if someone says that is "all that matters," then that person probably shouldn't expect students to act like they are courtside at Cameron Indoor. Pros and Cons. Alcohol-pro. Sitting 3 miles from the court- con.
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looks like ticket prices are gonna increase a bit too:
http://www.bizjournals.com/milwaukee/news/2012/02/10/bradley-center-raises-ticket-fees.html
Doesn't mean that student tickets will necessarily skyrocket however they might get bumped up. I think the BC folks really want a new arena, but thats for another discussion.
This debate of Games over Christmas break kind of begs the question: Should the NCAA reschedule college basketball and make it a "2nd semester sport?" You could move back the season tip off until after the students get back from winter break. The two downsides to that would probably be 1) ESPN has a crapfit 2) the NCAA would have to rebrand March Madness
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I remember the days of Wade and the Big Three where the student sections were big and they all stood and cheered for the ENTIRE GAME.
It's funny because I remember complaining about the student section in the timeframe you mentioned as well.
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Which, I agree, is a huge plus. But if someone says that is "all that matters," then that person probably shouldn't expect students to act like they are courtside at Cameron Indoor. Pros and Cons. Alcohol-pro. Sitting 3 miles from the court- con.
Should be better than Cameron Indoor. Should be lewd, offensive and stupid.
It's even better if your a ways from the court and your sitting next to the opposing team's parents. Harangody's mom knows what I'm talking about.
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Plus, in general, I've always been a fan of the student section being parallel with the court, right across from the TV cameras. That way, you're seen the entire game, jumping around and chanting, supporting your team on. Sure, it's cool when the opposing team is shooting free throws right into the student section, but I don't know, I'd like to see how it would work at the BC the other way. Just my opinion.
If there's a way that Marquette could get hundreds of alumni to move their season tickets from parallel to the court to behind the basket or in the upper deck, then I'm all for that. But it doesn't seem possible.
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It's funny because I remember complaining about the student section in the timeframe you mentioned as well.
Agreed. I remember being in the student section and complaining.
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+1000
And anyone who refers to a student who skip games to study as a "kitten" is an Ass Clown by definition. Some day when you are in the hospital with cirrhosis of the liver and diabetes, it may well be a former Marquette kitten who saves your life. And you will be grateful that kitten didn't blow off studying the chapters on pancreas and liver function to see Marquette whoop Mt. St. Mary's.
(http://inhisrest.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/566045_good_grief1.gif)
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The fact that the BC is a giant cavern that absorbs noise and the students site about a mile from the court are valid arguments.
Unless you have a spare $30 to $50 million lying around and want to donate it for a new arena, not much can be done about this.
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+1000
And anyone who refers to a student who skip games to study as a "kitten" is an Ass Clown by definition. Some day when you are in the hospital with cirrhosis of the liver and diabetes, it may well be a former Marquette kitten who saves your life. And you will be grateful that kitten didn't blow off studying the chapters on pancreas and liver function to see Marquette whoop Mt. St. Mary's.
And probably be the most boring people in the world.
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The fact that the BC is a giant cavern that absorbs noise and the students site about a mile from the court are valid arguments.
Unless you have a spare $30 to $50 million lying around and want to donate it for a new arena, not much can be done about this.
...and some property in the downtown area would help.
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Speaking of vacant property, I have a question for you Milwaukeans. What is that vacant city block north of the BC? Who owns it? Why is it vacant? They could make a boatload on parking but it's vacant.
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Speaking of vacant property, I have a question for you Milwaukeans. What is that vacant city block north of the BC? Who owns it? Why is it vacant? They could make a boatload on parking but it's vacant.
Left over from the freeway that ran to the eastside. I believe it's City own property, trying to get developers interested.
If the newest Schlitz Park development happens, that'll be valuable land.
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Left over from the freeway that ran to the eastside. I believe it's City own property, trying to get developers interested.
If the newest Schlitz Park development happens, that'll be valuable land.
County-owned, since it used to be freeway. Maybe we can build a new arena on it...preferably one specifically for basketball.
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And it sells alcohol...
Today's kittens only drink Smirnoff ice, bro. Then they do slap of 5's to congratulate themselves on how they're about to be your boss because they aced their tests.
(http://inhisrest.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/566045_good_grief1.gif)
This.
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Does everyone know how other school's would die for MU's basketball experience? We rag on the BC, but it is the Top 3 in the BE if not #2 to the Yum. Pitt and Nova are band boxes true by the facilities don't match up. The Carrier Dome is...a dome. USF plays in an empty dome. GU bow ties its students on both ends...but they are even more separated and the alumni support is not as strong. Rutgers is a pit. SH has a nice arena experience at the Rock for the 1000 who show up...like the Dunk. The remodel at UND is very nice, but the facilities still don't match the BC. WVU falls into the good column. DePaul or Storrs? Don't even need to go there. Is BC any worse than any arena in the B1G?
Everyone non-MU, and I mean everyone, loves when I take them to the BC...just loves the experience, watching the students, BE hoops, scoreboard, clubs and food, and the surrounding area, etc. There are maybe 10 schools with a better hoops experience in the country. We don't know how good we have it.
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I never bought into the whole "I need to study" excuse. Students have every syllabus well in advance. They know when tests are coming. It's all about time management. If you stay on top of your school work then you won't need to cram the night before a test and you can go do things like enjoy a basketball game. If you put off your work then you'll be studying the night of a game. Students are in class maybe 3-4 hours a day and then work another 4 hours, if that. You can get a lot accomplished with 16 hours of free time a day.
Yes, I'm a quality engineer who works in process improvement ;)
Oh, and the MU student section has always been underwhelming, IMO.
^ This. Its called time management, and there really isn't a good excuse for not being able to attend a game just because of something due the next day. Thats how the world works for the rest of us.
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^ This. Its called time management, and there really isn't a good excuse for not being able to attend a game just because of something due the next day. Thats how the world works for the rest of us.
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Or maybe a student doesn't like basketball, or has other interests. Got to love the ass clowns who act as those students should be required to attend games. Maybe we can get the head ass clown in Washington to require all catholic college students to attend 8 home games a season.
You're an idiot and you further prove that fact every time you post.
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County-owned, since it used to be freeway. Maybe we can build a new arena on it...preferably one specifically for basketball.
County owned, you are correct.
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You're an idiot and you further prove that fact every time you post.
have another beer douche and belly up to bar
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^ This. Its called time management, and there really isn't a good excuse for not being able to attend a game just because of something due the next day. Thats how the world works for the rest of us.
So when the schedule came out in September, could alumni manage their time/vacation and take off for the MLK game instead of complaining about it?
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I think one has to be careful on the year-by-year comparisons. First, we only have Wisconsin every other year, and second, we added a Big East game to the conference slate in 2008.
Comparing conference per-game attendance:
2012: 15,274 (6 games)
2011: 16,682 (9 games)
2010: 16,883 (9 games)
2009: 18,194 (9 games)
2008: 17,908 (9 games)
2007: 17,928 (8 games)
2006: 15,450 (8 games)
Weekends haven't seemed to matter--looking back at 2009:
Saturday 1/31/2009 vs. Georgetown: 19,011
Wednesday 2/25 vs. UConn: 19.091
Saturday 2/14 vs. St. Johns 18,614
Tuesday 2/17 vs. Seton Hall 18.701
Note that these same numbers show a surprisingly small drop off from the big names (UConn and Georgetown) from the also-rans (Seton Hall & St. Johns)--only 400 to 500 difference.
Next, break games may have traditionally reduced attendance--but that doesn't explain the low attendance this year:
Sunday 1/1 vs. Villanova (Students on break, everyone else hung over) 14,550
Wednesday 1/11 vs. St. Johns (Students on break): 14,481
Saturday 1/14 vs. Pitt (Students still on break) 18,404
Average 15,811
Monday January 20 Louisville (Students back the next day) 16,688
Tuesday 1/24 vs. USF (Students back): 13,693
Tuesday 1/31 Seton Hall (Students back) 13,826
Average: 14,735
Compare the St. Johns gam to USF or Seton Hall. Why would a mid-week game on 1/11 with students on break not draw as well as a mid-week game two weeks later with everyone back?
The shocking thing is that the two most recent games--USF and Seton Hall--are the two lowest attended Big East games since we joined the conference.
Even comparing a low-level opponent over the years shows poor current performance. A mid-week game against Seton Hall drew 15,506 in 2007, another midweek game drew 18,701 in 2009, a Saturday game drew 18.436 in 2011, and a mid-week game this year drew only 13,826--that's a drop of 4875 for the same team and same mid-week timing from 2009. And last year's Saturday matchup dropped 265 from the mid-week timing of the year before.
Some might argue the economy is the cause--but all hell broke loose in 2008, which would have impacted the 2008-09 and 09-10 seasons more than this year. Instead, 2009 was our peak attendance year, and both 2010 and 11 higher than 2012.
I don't think one can be faulted for pointing out that the trend in Big East attendance is downward.
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have another beer douche and belly up to bar
Point further supported...
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have another beer douche and belly up to bar
Is a beer douche the same as regular douche?
Pu$$ie$Hairy wet kittens want to know!
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Or maybe a student doesn't like basketball, or has other interests. Got to love the ass clowns who act as those students should be required to attend games. Maybe we can get the head ass clown in Washington to require all catholic college students to attend 8 home games a season.
Wow, I forgot how much there is to do around the AMU. ::)
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Or maybe a student doesn't like basketball, or has other interests. Got to love the ass clowns who act as those students should be required to attend games. Maybe we can get the head ass clown in Washington to require all catholic college students to attend 8 home games a season.
how insightful. go away you jag.
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Should be better than Cameron Indoor. Should be lewd, offensive and stupid.
It's even better if your a ways from the court and your sitting next to the opposing team's parents. Harangody's mom knows what I'm talking about.
;D
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So when the schedule came out in September, could alumni manage their time/vacation and take off for the MLK game instead of complaining about it?
This could be a great reality TV series - "Students vs. Alumni"
Seems like there's a whole lot of bitchin' about the BC not being a great place to watch games (or at least not a great place to vocalize your support). But isn't the BC one of the selling points for recruiting? Don't they emphasize that you'll be playing all your home games in an NBA arena with NBA facilities?
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This could be a great reality TV series - "Students vs. Alumni"
Seems like there's a whole lot of bitchin' about the BC not being a great place to watch games (or at least not a great place to vocalize your support). But isn't the BC one of the selling points for recruiting? Don't they emphasize that you'll be playing all your home games in an NBA arena with NBA facilities?
i don't think there is a lot of bitching, just a few observations on how the BC is less intimate than other arenas, which diminishes the appearance of our student section.
as many posters have said, there are a lot of pros to the bradley center as well.
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Comparing conference per-game attendance:
2012: 15,274 (6 games)
2011: 16,682 (9 games)
2010: 16,883 (9 games)
2009: 18,194 (9 games)
2008: 17,908 (9 games)
2007: 17,928 (8 games)
2006: 15,450 (8 games)
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I don't think one can be faulted for pointing out that the trend in Big East attendance is downward.
Good analysis
But remember we still have three BE games left this year. Two are weekend games, tomorrow and Saturday March 3 against GU. The third is a Wednesday game against Rutgers. Both weekend games are against highly thought of BE opponents. The last Saturday BE game was last month against Pitt, another highly thought of BE opponent. That game drew 18,400.
If we draw well in excess of 18,000 for Cincy and GU, the 2012 attendance number will go up a lot and the slide will not look as great.
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This could be a great reality TV series - "Students vs. Alumni"
Seems like there's a whole lot of bitchin' about the BC not being a great place to watch games (or at least not a great place to vocalize your support). But isn't the BC one of the selling points for recruiting? Don't they emphasize that you'll be playing all your home games in an NBA arena with NBA facilities FROM 1988?
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County owned, you are correct.
Wasn't Kohls rumored to be making a move on it?
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Wasn't Kohls rumored to be making a move on it?
That's the most recent rumor.
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Even at 1988, the BC is still in the younger half of the Big East
KFC Yum Center (Opened 2010)
Prudential Center (Opened 2007)
Petersen Events Center (Opened 2002)
Verizon Center (Opened 1997)
Gampel Pavilion (Opened 1990)
Fifth Third Arena (Opened 1989)
Bradley Center (Opened 1988)
Villanova Pavilion (Opened 1986)
Allstate Arena (Opened 1980)
Carrier Dome (Opened 1980)
USF Sun Dome (Opened 1980)
RAC (Opened 1977)
Dunkin Donuts Center (Opened 1972)
WVU Coliseum (Opened 1970)
Madison Square Garden (Opened 1968)
Joyce Center (Opened 1968, yes, they had a reno, but the structure is mostly the same).
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Good analysis
But remember we still have three BE games left this year. Two are weekend games, tomorrow and Saturday March 3 against GU. The third is a Wednesday game against Rutgers. Both weekend games are against highly thought of BE opponents. The last Saturday BE game was last month against Pitt, another highly thought of BE opponent. That game drew 18,400.
If we draw well in excess of 18,000 for Cincy and GU, the 2012 attendance number will go up a lot and the slide will not look as great.
Per the GoMarquette website, there are only single seats left for the GU game. I am pretty sure Cincinnati is close to a sellout as well.
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Even at 1988, the BC is still in the younger half of the Big East
KFC Yum Center (Opened 2010)
Prudential Center (Opened 2007)
Petersen Events Center (Opened 2002)
Verizon Center (Opened 1997)
Gampel Pavilion (Opened 1990) -Multiple renovations
Fifth Third Arena (Opened 1989)
Bradley Center (Opened 1988)
Villanova Pavilion (Opened 1986) Also play at Wells Fargo
Allstate Arena (Opened 1980)
Carrier Dome (Opened 1980)
USF Sun Dome (Opened 1980) Two renovations since construction
RAC (Opened 1977) Plans for renovation
Dunkin Donuts Center (Opened 1972) Renovated 2005
WVU Coliseum (Opened 1970) renovated in 2004
Madison Square Garden (Opened 1968) Renovated in 2011, has NBA team
Joyce Center (Opened 1968, yes, they had a reno, but the structure is mostly the same).
I wasn't really pointing out the age of the facilities in comparison to the other BE schools, but commenting that the BC is an "NBA arena with NBA facilities" that are from 1988, which is one of the oldest in the NBA. Hardly a selling point for recruiting IMO.
Also The joyce center isn't the only renovated arena. I'll concede the Allstate and Sun Dome (because the renovations weren't all that extensive) in terms of age. The Carrier Dome is kind of an outlier, but 4 of the other arenas have had renovations.
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Per the GoMarquette website, there are only single seats left for the GU game. I am pretty sure Cincinnati is close to a sellout as well.
MU Athletics said on twitter yesterday that there were only single seats left for Cincy.
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Ok, if you think our student section is pathetic check out Vanderbilt's showing on College Gameday. Probably the smallest crowd I've seen at one, and you can hear "Go Blue!" chants for Kentucky.
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Or maybe a student doesn't like basketball, or has other interests. Got to love the ass clowns who act as those students should be required to attend games. Maybe we can get the head ass clown in Washington to require all catholic college students to attend 8 home games a season.
This
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Off topic but AnotherMU84 just a slight correction. While Creighton was not in top 20 national attendance last year (22nd), they have been in the top 20 from 2006-2010 and will most certainly be top 20 this year. FWIW Marquette's student section is 20x better than Creighton's, they just get much better support from the people of Omaha because they are the only show in town.
Only reason I bring it up is because when people were talking about who they would want in a basketball only conference I rarely saw Creighton get mentioned. I think they would be an excellent member of the hypothetical conference.
I don't agree at all about Creighton's student section being worse than MU's. In fact I would say they are just as dedicated. However it is interesting to note that CU students get free admission to every game for all sports.
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Back when I was at Marquette, we had to walk 20 miles from the dorm to class. Each way. In the snow. And we liked it!
Wasn't it up hill both ways? ;)
Always required a stop at Good Time Charlies!
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I don't agree at all about Creighton's student section being worse than MU's. In fact I would say they are just as dedicated. However it is interesting to note that CU students get free admission to every game for all sports.
Actually it is that way for a lot of the mid and low major schools.