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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: bdee29 on February 09, 2012, 01:12:50 PM
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"The Bullpen" on Marquette Radio will be interviewing 2012 MUBB commit Aaron Durley at 4:30 this afternoon! Tune into marquetteradio.org to hear his thoughts about the program's appeal, the role he expects to play, and his future at Marquette.
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It will be interesting to hear his thoughts. Im curious as to his development over his senior year. I will try to tune in.
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It will be interesting to hear his thoughts. Im curious as to his development over his senior year. I will try to tune in.
Development over his senior year? He doesn't play. Going to have to wait until he gets to Marquette to evaluate progress.
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Development over his senior year? He doesn't play. Going to have to wait until he gets to Marquette to evaluate progress.
So why do teams practice then if you can only improve during games?
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I know Ridley's a stud, who's going to see the bulk of the minutes, and his team plays an uptempo style, but given his coach's recent glowing scouting report, it's still very odd how Durley accumulates so many DNPs. Something doesn't smell right.
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Ditto.
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I know Ridley's a stud, who's going to see the bulk of the minutes, and his team plays an uptempo style, but given his coach's recent glowing scouting report, it's still very odd how Durley accumulates so many DNPs. Something doesn't smell right.
Cmon...this has been mentioned repeatedly. The coach likes to run a full court press with one post, and the post he has is one of the top prospects in the country.
He's a 6'11" bulky guy. Perfect for development since he will have DG and CO in front of him for two years. Not sure we can (or even want to) redshirt him, but this guy looks like he will be our center for two years. Let's see where this goes.
There was an article posted here last week about why he is coming to MU. That he is a very intelligent and engaging guy. He talked about how Buzz is the perfect coach to maximize his abilities.
And what do you mean by "doesn't smell right?" What exactly are you insinuating?
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I know. I mentioned all that in my post. That still doesn't explain all the DNPs, though. You'd think a player who the coach thinks is THAT good, could see some game action. Maybe the coach is BS'ing, I don't know. Just doesn't add up.
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I dont think he's insinuating anything that horrific. Its just how many uninjured, 6'11" players going to BCS conferences can't get any PT in their senior year of HS? Maybe an injury concern, maybe a skill concern, what have you. But are the guards on this team so good that it wouldn't make for a better rotation to sometimes alter the scheme and get the big guy some minutes? No doubt that Durley is a great kid, but the situation is certainly outside the norm.
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Cmon...this has been mentioned repeatedly. The coach likes to run a full court press with one post, and the post he has is one of the top prospects in the country.
He's a 6'11" bulky guy. Perfect for development since he will have DG and CO in front of him for two years. Not sure we can (or even want to) redshirt him, but this guy looks like he will be our center for two years. Let's see where this goes.
There was an article posted here last week about why he is coming to MU. That he is a very intelligent and engaging guy. He talked about how Buzz is the perfect coach to maximize his abilities.
And what do you mean by "doesn't smell right?" What exactly are you insinuating?
Thought you were gonna *sigh* there for a second.
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I dont think he's insinuating anything that horrific. Its just how many uninjured, 6'11" players going to BCS conferences can't get any PT in their senior year of HS? Maybe an injury concern, maybe a skill concern, what have you. But are the guards on this team so good that it wouldn't make for a better rotation to sometimes alter the scheme and get the big guy some minutes? No doubt that Durley is a great kid, but the situation is certainly outside the norm.
Some of Buzz's best recruits come from situations 'outside the norm'. 6'11, 270. No contribution needed for his first 2 years here. (assuming CO plays a 6th year) (and I'm assuming red-shirt unless there are more injuries) Give him two years with Todd, and two years of beating on CO and DG in practice. If we are still having this conversation in December of 14, I will worry. Right now, he is a big kid with a positive attitude who felt bad about manhandling mid-major bigs on his campus visits.
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I brought up the fact that Durley had a bunch of DNP's weeks ago. I still don't get how a high major recruit can't get anything but garbage time on his high school team (don't accept the "Ridley is ahead of him" explanation as sufficient), but I will concede that the "wait and see how he develops" posters have won me over. Come to MU, work hard, let the chips fall where they may.
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He is a tall body, do not expect much the first 2 years, maybe would be smart to redshirt. Then we will start talking about him in 3 years. He is tall and big, that is a start.
Otule and Gardner the next 2 years!
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i honestly wonder if he would be seeing more PT playing at MU this year than on his high school team....5 fouls at the 5-spot would be nice to have against poor free-throw shooting centers right now. i can't believe there is a player anywhere in the states with his size and athleticism that sees the court less than he does. has to be more to it than just skill/ability level and who plays in front of him. no way there hasn't been blow-outs, and ridley isn't playing the entire game. no clue why he doesn't play, but it's the weirdest thing i've seen regarding an incoming recruit.
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i honestly wonder if he would be seeing more PT playing at MU this year than on his high school team....5 fouls at the 5-spot would be nice to have against poor free-throw shooting centers right now. i can't believe there is a player anywhere in the states with his size and athleticism that sees the court less than he does. has to be more to it than just skill/ability level and who plays in front of him. no way there hasn't been blow-outs, and ridley isn't playing the entire game. no clue why he doesn't play, but it's the weirdest thing i've seen regarding an incoming recruit.
agreed.
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Buzz must have saw something as I have never seen in 50 years a scholarship player play as little as he does. Now is saying that, Amal MaCaskell did not start for his team
and probably averaged nothing in high school became a pretty good player, good enough to play about 10 years in the NBA. The kid has to have some coordination since he
pitched at a very young age in Little Leagues. I watch Yancy Gates, he does not do to much either, but with his size he clogs the lane.
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He is a tall body, do not expect much the first 2 years, maybe would be smart to redshirt. Then we will start talking about him in 3 years. He is tall and big, that is a start.
Otule and Gardner the next 2 years!
Only problem with that is that if he doesn't work out, we're locked into 5 years of the big fella.
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Ridley can't be playing every minute of every game, can he? Doesn't he ever get a rest? How can Dudley get DNPs? The coach doesn't put him in for 5 minutes a game so Ridley can catch his breath? Very, very strange, especially since his coach says he's a good player. Seems like there's more here than meets the eye.
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So why do teams practice then if you can only improve during games?
I'm saying he's interested in monitoring his progress, how's he going to do that when he doesn't enter the games? Is he at the practices? Again, going to have to wait until he gets here.
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He was all-state (small private schools) as a soph. He transferred and tore his achilles doing AAU the summer between sophomore and junior years. He barely played as a junior but is still listed by some sources as at top 25 in Texas prospect. He is a project. But he is a huge project with a good attitude. BTW, what did he say in his interview?
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so did anyone listen in? i'd be interested in hearing what he had to say.
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Lets here what he has to say. His best move would be JC or prep school. A bunch of people still thinks he might not make it to campus. We
shall see.
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Whether he's coming to campus or not, I still want Nolan. Even better if they're both on the roster. Either way, seems like it would be best to give Durley a redshirt year with the other players on the roster, assuming everyone stays healthy.
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Whether he's coming to campus or not, I still want Nolan. Even better if they're both on the roster. Either way, seems like it would be best to give Durley a redshirt year with the other players on the roster, assuming everyone stays healthy.
that's a big assumption. if we're in the same situation next year as we are this year, we'll need him to be suiting up.
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I listened in. He said he was working on his game everyday whether it be in practice or in the game. He didnt dive into reasons for not getting into certain games though. Also, multiple times he admitted and understood he needed and wanted to develope once he got to MU. He even said it was the number one reason he came to Marquette. One word: Development. He will be a project. nuff said. Lets hope for the best in a quick development.
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Whether he's coming to campus or not, I still want Nolan. Even better if they're both on the roster. Either way, seems like it would be best to give Durley a redshirt year with the other players on the roster, assuming everyone stays healthy.
Nolan is a poor man's Steve Taylor. Both will play the 4 in the college game and right now are more comfortable in a face-up game than they are with their back to the basket and would rather be at the 3 point line than in the paint. Both are tall and long but need to find the weight room. They are as close to the same players as you will find. No need to have both of them on the roster unless you have an open scholarship. Would much rather have Taylor and Durley than Taylor and Nolan, even though Nolan may be more ready to have an immediate impact than Durley is.
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Lets here what he has to say. His best move would be JC or prep school. A bunch of people still thinks he might not make it to campus. We
shall see.
His best move should be what Buzz and his family want for him. And no, if it doesn't pan out, we are not "stuck" with him for five years.
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i honestly wonder if he would be seeing more PT playing at MU this year than on his high school team....5 fouls at the 5-spot would be nice to have against poor free-throw shooting centers right now. i can't believe there is a player anywhere in the states with his size and athleticism that sees the court less than he does. has to be more to it than just skill/ability level and who plays in front of him. no way there hasn't been blow-outs, and ridley isn't playing the entire game. no clue why he doesn't play, but it's the weirdest thing i've seen regarding an incoming recruit.
Couldn't agree more, although some posters here can't seem to understand that. I hope like hell he is a quality player for MU some day, and I like his height and size, but man it is strange.
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Buzz must have saw something as I have never seen in 50 years a scholarship player play as little as he does. Now is saying that, Amal MaCaskell did not start for his team
and probably averaged nothing in high school became a pretty good player, good enough to play about 10 years in the NBA. The kid has to have some coordination since he
pitched at a very young age in Little Leagues. I watch Yancy Gates, he does not do to much either, but with his size he clogs the lane.
He was also a top-30 player, but I see what you're sayin'.
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Whether he's coming to campus or not, I still want Nolan. Even better if they're both on the roster. Either way, seems like it would be best to give Durley a redshirt year with the other players on the roster, assuming everyone stays healthy.
I don't think that we can assume that.
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Why is everyone so quick to put the DNP blame on Durley? Has anyone considered even for a moment that the coach might be being "motivated" to play Ridley as much as he can? This is Texas, after all... the land where coaches pay off teachers and cheerleader moms off the competition.
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Let's not disparage the coach. Durley's HS coach is the same as Otule's. My guess is that the coach spoke very highly of Buzz and MU given Otule's progress.
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that's a big assumption. if we're in the same situation next year as we are this year, we'll need him to be suiting up.
Tough to say...if we had a project on the roster now with the redshirt still on, would we have taken it off in February if it was likely a 3-4 game injury? I'm thinking Buzz wouldn't be too quick to give a kid his first minutes of the season-and probably no more than 30 early February minutes total, in exchange for a year of eligibility. Now, if we had a third big who had made enough progress to have the redshirt pulled around the time we knew Otule was done for the year, that would have been some nice insurance.
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See Junior.
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Something doesn't smell right.
hairy wet cats. ;D
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I want whoever buzz wants here. Durley seems like a great kid, I can't wait until he gets here something tell me he's going to be a good player for us. Some of you guys are ridiculous. Ripping on this kids before he even sets foot on campus.
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hairy wet cats. ;D
+1 Something definitely fishy here.
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His best move should be what Buzz and his family want for him. And no, if it doesn't pan out, we are not "stuck" with him for five years.
How is what Buzz wants for him automatically his best move?
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Been watching basketball at all levels (as a sportswriter, fan, coach, referee and father of a Division III player) for more decades than I choose to say ... and I have to admit this one has me perplexed.
A 6-10 center can't get a minute of playing time for his high school team -- not in a 2-minute relief role to give the starter a breather, not in garbage time at the end of blowouts, etc. - yet lands a scholarship with a perennial NCAA tournament team.
Weird doesn't even begin to describe it.
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He was also a top-30 player, but I see what you're sayin'.
What does Gates HS ranking have to do with how he's playing as a senior in college?????
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How is what Buzz wants for him automatically his best move?
Good point. Oftentimes telling the coach who put you on scholarship how he should run his program is the way to go. It sure worked like a charm for Jeronne Maymon.
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Good point. Oftentimes telling the coach who put you on scholarship how he should run his program is the way to go. It sure worked like a charm for Jeronne Maymon.
That was referring to suggestions that JC or prep school are in Durley's future. I don't see what Maymon has to do with anything. I'm saying that if Buzz thinks its best for Durley to do anything but enroll at MU in the fall, that doesn't automatically mean that prep school, JUCO, etc is what Durley should do.
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In this case don't you defer to Buzz and his staff? They must have seen something that warranted bringing Aaron to MU? Look at the path that other current MU players have taken, the pattern is less than orthodox. I have also noticed that our head coach is a bit out of the ordinary, and correct me if I'm wrong our basketball program has met with a bit of success. If Buzz wants him that is good enough for me additionally Aaron seems like a great kid. Good luck Aaron, go Warriors.
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In this case don't you defer to Buzz and his staff? They must have seen something that warranted bringing Aaron to MU? Look at the path that other current MU players have taken, the pattern is less than orthodox. I have also noticed that our head coach is a bit out of the ordinary, and correct me if I'm wrong our basketball program has met with a bit of success. If Buzz wants him that is good enough for me additionally Aaron seems like a great kid. Good luck Aaron, go Warriors.
we've also had a few busts the past few years. i certainly hope this is not the case. i remember thinking, "oh, maybe buzz found some gems with roseboro, mcmorrow, & mbao."
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Been watching basketball at all levels (as a sportswriter, fan, coach, referee and father of a Division III player) for more decades than I choose to say ... and I have to admit this one has me perplexed.
A 6-10 center can't get a minute of playing time for his high school team -- not in a 2-minute relief role to give the starter a breather, not in garbage time at the end of blowouts, etc. - yet lands a scholarship with a perennial NCAA tournament team.
Weird doesn't even begin to describe it.
But he does get PT for his AAU team, which also has the same starter (Ridley) at center. I think Buzz has had a pretty good track record with project bigs, so it's well worth giving the kid a chance.
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Been watching basketball at all levels (as a sportswriter, fan, coach, referee and father of a Division III player) for more decades than I choose to say ... and I have to admit this one has me perplexed.
A 6-10 center can't get a minute of playing time for his high school team -- not in a 2-minute relief role to give the starter a breather, not in garbage time at the end of blowouts, etc. - yet lands a scholarship with a perennial NCAA tournament team.
Weird doesn't even begin to describe it.
While I find it curious as well, I know Durley had played significant minutes on his AAU team (which included Ridley, I believe). I don't know what to make of it, but without having seen him play or having knowledge as to why he does not play, I can only sit and wait to see what the plan is. I can't bust on the guy like some others because of that (not saying your comment is busing on him). I admit, he is intriguing - big bodied, tall and athletic. Hasn't been playing basketball all that long, either. That is potentially good and bad.
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But he does get PT for his AAU team, which also has the same starter (Ridley) at center. I think Buzz has had a pretty good track record with project bigs, so it's well worth giving the kid a chance.
I'm excited about Durley's potential and I'm glad Buzz signed him.
That said, two things:
1) his HS situation is unquestionably odd - a 6-10 healthy (I assume) high major commit who is getting DNPs on a fairly regular basis. It doesn't mean that he's not a great recruit or that he won't be a huge success at Marquette -- but anyone who disputes that it is an unusual situation is either blinded by loyalty or is just trying to be argumentative. I don't care who he's behind, I would certainly expect him to get some time. At this point, I simply have given up trying to figure out why he's not playing. I am not forming any opinion on him based upon his lack of playing time. I'm just saying it's very strange.
2) I think Buzz's track record with "project bigs" is not that great. He's had a couple of really good hits, but he's had a couple of really bad misses. I honestly believe that Durley is going to be one of the hits. Just from a gut feel, he seems a lot more like Otule/Gardner to me than Roseboro/Mbao. I'm excited to have him here, and I think he's going to do well.
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In this case don't you defer to Buzz and his staff? They must have seen something that warranted bringing Aaron to MU? Look at the path that other current MU players have taken, the pattern is less than orthodox. I have also noticed that our head coach is a bit out of the ordinary, and correct me if I'm wrong our basketball program has met with a bit of success. If Buzz wants him that is good enough for me additionally Aaron seems like a great kid. Good luck Aaron, go Warriors.
That is what I am trying to say here. Buzz knows better than we do about what he wants for this team and I tend to trust him more than the posters on this board in that respect.
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Has anyone watched him in practice or warmups? Can anyone tell us how he looks. It is really odd to have a scholarship player coming in who doesn't play for his high school team. If he can't help his highschool team, can we expect him to help us?
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Has anyone watched him in practice or warmups? Can anyone tell us how he looks. It is really odd to have a scholarship player coming in who doesn't play for his high school team. If he can't help his highschool team, can we expect him to help us?
It would help if you read the thread instead of posting the same questions...again and again.
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I have read the thread and am still hopeful that we can all learn from some one who has watched this young man play. Lighten up bud.
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While I find it curious as well, I know Durley had played significant minutes on his AAU team (which included Ridley, I believe). I don't know what to make of it, but without having seen him play or having knowledge as to why he does not play, I can only sit and wait to see what the plan is. I can't bust on the guy like some others because of that (not saying your comment is busing on him). I admit, he is intriguing - big bodied, tall and athletic. Hasn't been playing basketball all that long, either. That is potentially good and bad.
Mac, I agree with what you and Sultan have said about this. Buzz has earned our trust. Period. Just look at his success with JUCOS. Also, the fact that Durley's coach can give a first hand comparison to Otule is enough for me. If Buzz is wrong on this one (which I highly doubt), we will find out soon enough.
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2) I think Buzz's track record with "project bigs" is not that great. He's had a couple of really good hits, but he's had a couple of really bad misses. I honestly believe that Durley is going to be one of the hits. Just from a gut feel, he seems a lot more like Otule/Gardner to me than Roseboro/Mbao. I'm excited to have him here, and I think he's going to do well.
Buzz has signed 5 bigs. Roseboro, Mbao, McMorrow, Otule, Gardner. Two were hits, two were misses, one was an incomplete due to medical issues. The deciding factors as to whether they were hits or misses appears to be attitude and work ethic. (Like so many things in life) They got out of it what they put into it. So, IMO, if Durley comes here with the attitude that he has exhibited so far, and puts in the work, he will probably be successful. The physical tools are there, the coaches who can develop bigs are there. It is up to Durley.
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But he does get PT for his AAU team, which also has the same starter (Ridley) at center. I think Buzz has had a pretty good track record with project bigs, so it's well worth giving the kid a chance.
So how does he do for his AAU team? Anybody know?
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Buzz has signed 5 bigs. Roseboro, Mbao, McMorrow, Otule, Gardner. Two were hits, two were misses, one was an incomplete due to medical issues. The deciding factors as to whether they were hits or misses appears to be attitude and work ethic. (Like so many things in life) They got out of it what they put into it. So, IMO, if Durley comes here with the attitude that he has exhibited so far, and puts in the work, he will probably be successful. The physical tools are there, the coaches who can develop bigs are there. It is up to Durley.
1 has been a hit. I dont fault Buzz for O'tule's injury but hes played one full season, he still has hands that cant grab the ball 50% of the time and a high percentage of his scoring (5ppg) comes early in the game. Its been determined he is good for taking up space and not allowing the drive, but other than that its hard to call him a hit.
Sorry to be irrelevant to Durley.
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What does Gates HS ranking have to do with how he's playing as a senior in college?????
Because he was comparing Gates to Durley. Durley is hardly even rated, and Gates was a top-30 recruit. They are not comparable. By the time Durley is a senior....maybe.
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Both have big bodies that is what I was saying. Gates has not lived up to his HS ratings, Durley will be better than his
ratings.
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1 has been a hit. I dont fault Buzz for O'tule's injury but hes played one full season, he still has hands that cant grab the ball 50% of the time and a high percentage of his scoring (5ppg) comes early in the game. Its been determined he is good for taking up space and not allowing the drive, but other than that its hard to call him a hit.
Sorry to be irrelevant to Durley.
I'm trying to figure out why on earth it matters when his points are scored.
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I'm trying to figure out why on earth it matters when his points are scored.
See the thread(s) on MU's slow starts as of late. That's why it matters.
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See the thread(s) on MU's slow starts as of late. That's why it matters.
Hold on. Are you saying that the reason we are off to slow starts is because Otule is hurt?
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Hold on. Are you saying that the reason we are off to slow starts is because Otule is hurt?
You may not be picking up what I'm throwing down; OTOH, I may not be picking up what you're throwing down, either.
Perhaps my message would have been clearer had I said:
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I'm trying to figure out why on earth it matters when his points are scored.
Because scoring more points in the first half helps our first half RPI.
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You may not be picking up what I'm throwing down; OTOH, I may not be picking up what you're throwing down, either.
Perhaps my message would have been clearer had I said:
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Because scoring more points in the first half helps our first half RPI.
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The revision is much clearer. Thanks
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Because scoring more points in the first half helps our first half RPI.
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do you think this would help our chances for first half tourney seeding?
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Buzz has signed 5 bigs. Roseboro, Mbao, McMorrow, Otule, Gardner. Two were hits, two were misses, one was an incomplete due to medical issues. The deciding factors as to whether they were hits or misses appears to be attitude and work ethic. (Like so many things in life) They got out of it what they put into it. So, IMO, if Durley comes here with the attitude that he has exhibited so far, and puts in the work, he will probably be successful. The physical tools are there, the coaches who can develop bigs are there. It is up to Durley.
McMorrow is recovered and has been playing the last two seasons at Tennessee Tech.
Based on his stats there, I'd put him in the miss column.
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McMorrow is recovered and has been playing the last two seasons at Tennessee Tech.
Based on his stats there, I'd put him in the miss column.
not to pick nits, but i think it was more of a risk averse issue, with McMorrow, wasnt it? Its not so much that he was injured and got better as Tenn Tech was willing to roll the dice with his heart condition, whereas MU wasn't going to let him play/was more interested in opening up McMorrow's schollie?
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Does Ridley ever check out?
http://tinyurl.com/6oh6z6v
RT @FtBendSports: Bush's Aaron Durley checks in. For the first time all season (I think) Cameron Ridley DOES NOT check out. Many have been waiting for this.
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do you think this would help our chances for first half tourney seeding?
Dayton is lovely this time of year.