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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: 🏀 on February 06, 2012, 10:10:22 PM
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Eh?
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Really a toss up here between DJO and Jamil. I still haven't decided personally. DJO with the 7-0 run and definitely got his points today. Jamil with a double double and filling up the stat sheet. Perhaps his best game as a Golden Eagle.
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Odom's end of 1st half was key.
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DJO
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1) Wilson 18 and 10 with 3 blocks.
2) The TEAM. 22 for 23 from free throw line. Nice.....
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Wilson. 18 pts, 2 blocks, 2 steals, 3 assists, 10 rebounds
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DJO keyed the comeback.
Jamil runner-up.
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DJO went quiet in the second half compared with the first half, but like the Seton Hall game with Blue, he lit the fire that got this team going tonight. Honorable mention...Junior with some sick assists out there tonight.
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I voted Jamil, but DJO good choice too
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All the starters had really nice games (well - second halves), but DJO put his head down and dragged us out of a double digit hole. Much like Blue in the Seton Hall game, that broke us through to the other side. We weren't losing after the 19-5 run in which he scored 14 of those points.
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Jae Crowder. Double-double and great sportsmanship not getting the 'T' when the ref was itching to give him one.
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Crowder, Cadougan, and Wilson all had double doubles. DJO with 23. Really tough call but I voted Cadougan.
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Junior Kardashian (how many of our games has Mike Kelley done this year and he is still mispronouncing Juniors name???wtf??) had his best game of the year (imo) and Jamil Wilson was a monster in the second half both in scoring, defense and on the boards, but, we may have been blown out of the gym in half one without DJO and his run.
Extremely close and great to see everyone in the starting 5 have solid games (Vander is really coming on), but, I have to go DJO by a chin over Jamil Wilson.
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Wilson, held down the inside of the lane on defense too.
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Catigan's dunk was slick, but I had to go w/ J-Wil and his great performance on the glass
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Toughest call of the year. Gotta go with Jamil. DJO a close 2nd and Junior not far behind.
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Junior Kardashian (how many of our games has Mike Kelley done this year and he is still mispronouncing Juniors name???wtf??) had his best game of the year (imo) and Jamil Wilson was a monster in the second half both in scoring, defense and on the boards, but, we may have been blown out of the gym in half one without DJO and his run.
Extremely close and great to see everyone in the starting 5 have solid games (Vander is really coming on), but, I have to go DJO by a chin over Jamil Wilson.
Kelley had it right. Carter Blackburn, total prep name by the way, was butchering it.
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I have to go DJO by a chin over Jamil Wilson.
no pun intended??
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no pun intended??
very very much intended! ;D thanks for noticing!
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Kelley had it right. Carter Blackburn, total prep name by the way, was butchering it.
Thanks, Blackburn blows then. At least they got it right by the second half...someone must have put the correct pronunciation in front of Biff.
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Both DJO and Wilson were studs, but voted for Wilson because DJO as a SENIOR needs to have the maturity to start quicker in games. Yes, he helped dig Marq out of a hole, but those holes are dug by upperclassmen who still haven't learned to play well in BOTH halves. Senior starters can't have "quiet" halves......
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It was Jamil or Junior. Id say Jamil. Yes, DJO had a good run(like Vander) but he also had by far the worst fg% of the bunch and missed open shots early when we dug into the hole.
Remember Jamil also had like 7 pts early on too when it was 24-21. He kept us around as well.
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Also it was more our pressure that got us in the game. DJO just happend to make 3 shots he wasnt making 10 minutes earlier.
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Milly.
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DJO - we have no chance unless he goes beast mode in the last 10 of the first half. great game by all the starters, but he pushed us back into the game when we were getting stomped. completely turned the momentum on his own.
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DJO keyed the comeback.
Jamil runner-up.
That's my vote.
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DJO - we have no chance unless he goes beast mode in the last 10 of the first half. great game by all the starters, but he pushed us back into the game when we were getting stomped. completely turned the momentum on his own.
Wrong. We have no chance if the TEAM doesnt force a TO everytime DePaul tried to cross half court.
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I voted for Jamil, and immediately after thought that it should be DJO. Still not sure. DJO's 7-0 run in the first half got us back into it, and without that, not sure we would have won. But hard to argue with 18, 10, 3, 2, and 2. Jamil was a stat sheet stuffer tonight.
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My vote's for Jamil. Absolute beast tonight.
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Really want to split my vote between DJO and Wilson. Especially with DJO handling so much and not turning the ball over once.
But it's a one-man prize...so it goes to Wilson. Just did a bit of everything. Career high in points and rebounds, first double-double, and multiples in steals, blocks, and assists. Add in zero turnovers and staying out of foul trouble and it has to go to Jamil Wilson.
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Real tough call, which is a "good problem" to have.
I will say that I'm really pleased with J-Wils progression. Great work J-Wil!! ;D
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Loved the energy by Jae and Jamil, especially on the boards in the second half after we got killed there for most of the first half. Loved Junior's passing. Loved Vander's all-around game. Loved D. Wilson's contribution, too.
But DJO did what a senior all-conference player must do when his team is wobbly on the road. He literally put the Golden Warriors on his back and carried them from a 12-point deficit to a lead they would never lose.
Did he contribute to the early deficit? Sure. But no more than our lack of rebounding, lapses in focus and turnovers did. It was DJO who pulled us out of it.
Frankly, I don't think this was as close as some suggest. Several players ended up having very nice games, but DJO was the very definition of a stud when we needed him most.
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Just got back from the game. Close call between DJO & JW, and could even consider Junior tonight. Much of what Junior did tonight is not in the stat sheet, and that cross-lane bounce pass was by far the play of the game. In the end, it was DJO who asserted himself when we were down and got us the lead. JW did great in the second half AFTER we had the lead. Toughest call of the year because it was a real nice team effort.
Also, it seems to me that Purnell has DePaul on the rise.
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Loved the energy by Jae and Jamil, especially on the boards in the second half after we got killed there for most of the first half. Loved Junior's passing. Loved Vander's all-around game. Loved D. Wilson's contribution, too.
But DJO did what a senior all-conference player must do when his team is wobbly on the road. He literally put the Golden Warriors on his back and carried them from a 12-point deficit to a lead they would never lose.
Did he contribute to the early deficit? Sure. But no more than our lack of rebounding, lapses in focus and turnovers did. It was DJO who pulled us out of it.
Frankly, I don't think this was as close as some suggest. Several players ended up having very nice games, but DJO was the very definition of a stud when we needed him most.
Again, how? He was 7-17 shooting and Jamil was what? 8-12 or something? He MADE THREE SHOTS that he had missed earlier in the game to get a 7-0 run going. Two baskets came after the TEAMS pressure defense. So you commend the made shots, but not the misses he had wrapped around?
O.k. take away Jamils 7 early points and it's 24-14 instead of 24-21. You are right, not close AT ALL.
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Jamil and DJO both deserve it.....But..I leaned Jamil..STUD
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Junior just because that pass on the fast break even had my 7 year old dancing.
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2nd straight really tough one, but went with jamil because we were sobdesperate for the rebounds with gardner back. Djo's explosion when we looked dead made it a toss-up though.
Blue wasn't in the running today, but another great performance, and as great a driver as he is, if he just keeps hitting freethrows then he is suddenly a very good offensive player.
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Again, how? He was 7-17 shooting and Jamil was what? 8-12 or something? He MADE THREE SHOTS that he had missed earlier in the game to get a 7-0 run going. Two baskets came after the TEAMS pressure defense. So you commend the made shots, but not the misses he had wrapped around?
O.k. take away Jamils 7 early points and it's 24-14 instead of 24-21. You are right, not close AT ALL.
Jamil and Jae (with no support from the guards) got killed on the boards in the first half. I think it was 19-9. Take away DJO's one-man rally, and Marquette is in deep, deep doo-doo.
But you know what? You can't take away DJO's rally any more than I can take away Jamil's contributions.
So OK, maybe it's closer than I said -- I also think Jae and Cadougan were monsters in the second half -- but a game that was looking like a possible horrible loss was turned into victory thanks to DJO's refusal to let this one get away.
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As is the case in just about every game, the answer is DJO. The other 5 starters all had nice games as well, but DJO came up biggest when MU needed it most.
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Sitting 3 rows behind the DePaul side basket, I got a close up look at the action. Jamil played great but DJO was a monster when we needed it most.
That, and he posed for a great pic with my son before going into the tunnel after the game.
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Listen...I love DJO, however I struggle voting for a guy who didn't hustle on defense in the 1st half or box out. There were half a dozen situations last night where I had to rewind 1st half DePaul possessions.
There were a couple early DePaul steals that led to fast break opportunities. DJO stood there and did nothing to help out. In fact, there was one play that Jamil was the ONLY Golden Eagle to get back and play defense. As soon as DePaul scored, you could see Jamil turn around in anger at his teammates, as if to say "WTF? I can't do it all by myself."
DJO was a catalyst to our comeback, but on principle alone, I gotta give the nod to Jamil, and his best game in an MU uniform.
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DJO got his in the role he has had all year. Wilson got his playing major minutes in a role occupied by two injured players most of the year. DJO did what was expected and Wilson stepped up big time.
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I don't expect 23 pts with no turnovers from DJO. He had a very good game. But I understand why people would vote Jamil.
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I don't expect 23 pts with no turnovers from DJO. He had a very good game. But I understand why people would vote Jamil.
I don't expect it, but I am not surprised when he does it. The 18 & 10 from Jamil was a bit of a surprise. That said, I still say it's DJO with Jamil 2nd. He took MU on his shoulders in the 1st half and then was the vocal leader on the court.
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I don't expect it, but I am not surprised when he does it. The 18 & 10 from Jamil was a bit of a surprise. That said, I still say it's DJO with Jamil 2nd. He took MU on his shoulders in the 1st half and then was the vocal leader on the court.
I voted for DJO for the same reason. He willed us back into this game. It was a real example of senior leadership. That being said, Jamil Wilson had a Jimmy Butler-type performance (again). He did a bit of everything. Could he even be better defensively than Jimmy?
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DJO took over when Marquette needed it the most. Jamil also played great. He is so athletic and can do everything. He's 6'8" but plays like 6'10!
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Jamil put up big numbers playing way out of position (his game is more of a 3).
DJO did exactly what he has been doing for years, although a 0 TO and 1 PF game with 23 points is ridiculous.
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Junior Cardigan had a nice game, Blue made some layups and free throws (!), Wilson was simply outstanding but DJO got hot at exactly the right time and carried the team into halftime.
Up until his burst, it looked like DePaul thought they were going to win. After that, they found ways to lose.
DJO gets my vote, but I have absolutely no problem with Wilson.
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Junior Cardigan had a nice game, Blue made some layups and free throws (!), Wilson was simply outstanding but DJO got hot at exactly the right time and carried the team into halftime.
Up until his burst, it looked like DePaul thought they were going to win. After that, they found ways to lose.
DJO gets my vote, but I have absolutely no problem with Wilson.
The sweater had some tough moments early on, but had a stellar 2nd half. 8 assists, very impressive. He was 4-6 from the field and one of those misses was a 3 that I don't know how it did not go down and the other was his dunk (how unfair is that?) Some pretty impressive stat lines from all the MU players.
How, though, doesn't Mike Kelly let the announcers know how to pronounce the sweaters name correctly? I could see if it were two guys who had not called a MU game before, but Kelly has done many.
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Junior Cardigan
Not to be a stickler, but it's Cadigan. ;)
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Wilson
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How, though, doesn't Mike Kelly let the announcers know how to pronounce the sweaters name correctly? I could see if it were two guys who had not called a MU game before, but Kelly has done many.
Kelly went to a college not known for their academic achievements. This would include spelling and pronunciation.
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DJO stepped up and led like a senior all-BEast guard when we needed him. He turned the game.
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WILSON
they all had their moments but Jamil was a stud for the whole game
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Stats
Net Points
Jamil +4.4
Vander +4.0
DJO +3.5
Jae +2.1
Offensive Value Add
Jamil +7.8%
DJO +6%
Jae +4.3%
Vander +2.4%
Two things surprise me a bit.
#1 - Vander's net points contributions in comparison to DJO and Jae. It's because he was actually pretty efficient in more limited minutes than everyone else. After a long stretch of net-negative contributions (every game from LSU through Louisville), Vander has been net-positive in every game since then except the ND game. However, everyone was net-negative in the ND game.
#2 - The difference in offensive value add and Net Points. I need to ask Pudner how to run the Defensive Value Add again.
But yeah... Jamil is my vote.
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Not to go all "everyone gets a trophy" on you but just give it to the entire starting 5.
- DJO 23pts, 0 TOs, momentum-shifting run
- Jamil 18 pts, 10 reb, 2 steals, 2 blks
- Jae 14 pts, 11 reb, 3 steals
- Blue 16 pts in 23 min
- Cadougan 10 pts, 8 assists
All of those lines are SOTG worthy.
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Kelly went to a college not known for their academic achievements. This would include spelling and pronunciation.
It's wasn't Kelley, it was the other guy. He knows our team well. I'm sure Kelley heard him the first few times and was like WTF? did I hear him right, then after hearing "Cardigan" again and again, he knew he had to say something (to the producer or Blackburn). Obviously, he can't correct him on air. He must have said something to him during an early break because he fixed it mid-way through the first half. I thought it was odd Kelley was calling him "partner," the whole time, but realized somewhere in the second half he was actually calling him by his name, "Carter."
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Stats
Net Points
Jamil +4.4
Vander +4.0
DJO +3.5
Jae +2.1
Offensive Value Add
Jamil +7.8%
DJO +6%
Jae +4.3%
Vander +2.4%
Jae must have sat out the wrong minute of the game.
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Jae must have sat out the wrong minute of the game.
How do you mean?
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The Sweater had some tough moments early on, but had a stellar 2nd half. 8 assists, very impressive. He was 4-6 from the field and one of those misses was a 3 that I don't know how it did not go down and the other was his dunk (how unfair is that?) Some pretty impressive stat lines from all the MU players.
How, though, doesn't Mike Kelly let the announcers know how to pronounce the sweaters name correctly? I could see if it were two guys who had not called a MU game before, but Kelly has done many.
Can this stay? I think it has the awesome grassroots potential of JFB.