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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: schuess56 on February 06, 2012, 09:03:17 AM
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Lose to unranked Miami? At home? Two losses at home with the most talented
recruits in the country including No. 1 hype recruit Austin Rivers?
Yes, he scored 20 points and played 43 minutes but 1-7 on the 3 pointers, and ...
Too bad Austin Rivers did not come to MU and play for Buzz ... where he could have had some fun.
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Lose to unranked Miami? At home? Two losses at home with the most talented
recruits in the country including No. 1 hype recruit Austin Rivers?
Yes, he scored 20 points and played 43 minutes but 1-7 on the 3 pointers, and ...
Too bad Austin Rivers did not come to MU and play for Buzz ... where he could have had some fun.
and been just as ready for the NBA
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3-4 years of Todd Mayo > 1 year of Austin Rivers
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3-4 years of Todd Mayo > 1 year of Austin Rivers
Hmmm, not sure about that.....close though. With Rivers I think this team would be a #1 or #2 seed. I'd take 1 final four run over 2-3 sweet 16 runs.
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Hmmm, not sure about that.....close though. With Rivers I think this team would be a #1 or #2 seed. I'd take 1 final four run over 2-3 sweet 16 runs.
Is Austin Rivers secretly two or three 6'9" guys?
That's the only way this team is a 1 or 2 seed.
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But imagine a starting lineup of Rivers, DJO, Blue, Crowder, Otule. :o
As long as we're imagining Rivers coming to MU, I can imagine a healthy Otule.
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Is Austin Rivers secretly two or three 6'9" guys?
That's the only way this team is a 1 or 2 seed.
Disagree. If Rivers were on Marquette, you have Crowder, DJO and Rivers who consistently get 18 points. Think of how much Rivers would open up shots for DJO and Mayo. A scoring threat at point guard would do wonders for Marquette, big man or no big man.
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Disagree. If Rivers were on Marquette, you have Crowder, DJO and Rivers who consistently get 18 points. Think of how much Rivers would open up shots for DJO and Mayo. A scoring threat at point guard would do wonders for Marquette, big man or no big man.
agreed which is why another year of junior and three of d. wilson worries me. i think junior can be solid next year as a senior, but i'm really hoping that vander or tj taylor can be ready to play big minutes at the point for the 2013-2014 season when we return everyone but junior.
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Disagree. If Rivers were on Marquette, you have Crowder, DJO and Rivers who consistently get 18 points. Think of how much Rivers would open up shots for DJO and Mayo. A scoring threat at point guard would do wonders for Marquette, big man or no big man.
I don't think it is as simple as saying adding Rivers gives us three 18 point scorers because by virtue of the fact that you are adding him and his shot attempts, you are removing those attempts from somebody else.
Our biggest defficiency is interior presence, rebounding and attacking teams with athletic length. I don't think adding another perimeter player helps in any of those areas.
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3-4 years of Todd Mayo > 1 year of Austin Rivers
I would be floored, absolutely floored, if we had 4 years of Todd Mayo. Honestly, I'm not counting on year 3, either.
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I would be floored, absolutely floored, if we had 4 years of Todd Mayo. Honestly, I'm not counting on year 3, either.
I am definitely counting on three. Figure next year he makes a jump but the scouts will find weaknesses to his game. Thus he will spend year three showing those are no longer weaknesses.
At least three years. I hope! ;D
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I would be floored, absolutely floored, if we had 4 years of Todd Mayo. Honestly, I'm not counting on year 3, either.
Because of transfer or NBA? Maybe after his junior year but you think next year?
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I don't think it is as simple as saying adding Rivers gives us three 18 point scorers because by virtue of the fact that you are adding him and his shot attempts, you are removing those attempts from somebody else.
Our biggest defficiency is interior presence, rebounding and attacking teams with athletic length. I don't think adding another perimeter player helps in any of those areas.
My guess is Crowder and DJO's shot attempts stay about where they are if we have a point guard who can score and we rely less on guys like Mayo, Wilson, and Blue to score, so those guys have a few less shot attempts a game. I also think the quality of shots that DJO and Crowder would get would be much higher and much less difficult as defenses would not be able to sag off against Rivers and help off of him like they do with Cadougan. He would open up the floor in a way that we have not seen since Wade. Just like if we had had a different guard in place of Dwyane Wade when he was at Marquette (say we replace him with Blue). Not only was the team better with Wade because he was a more talented player/scorer, but he also opened up the floor/shots for Diener and Novak. Without Wade, those 2 are not nearly as efficient as they were. Rivers would have the same type of impact on DJO and Crowder.
If I could take an elite point guard or an elite center and add him to this team then yes I would want an elite center. But to say that Austin Rivers would not bump us up from a 4 to a 2 seed is probably wrong (no way to truly know, but my guess is he would). Just because we need a post presence more than we need a point guard doesn't mean a top notch point guard wouldn't make us a better team (I like Cadougan, but Rivers is a much better player and would help Marquette greatly).
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If I could take an elite point guard or an elite center and add him to this team then yes I would want an elite center. But to say that Austin Rivers would not bump us up from a 4 to a 2 seed is probably wrong (no way to truly know, but my guess is he would). Just because we need a post presence more than we need a point guard doesn't mean a top notch point guard wouldn't make us a better team (I like Cadougan, but Rivers is a much better player and would help Marquette greatly).
Fair enough. I agree we'd be a better team, would be brain dead not to. However, I'm not sold that we'd improve to the degree that you (and others) think.
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Whoever said Rivers gave MU a sniff on the recruiting trail? Or that he's not having fun at Duke? Really, anyone think, in their right mind, that we talkin' apples to apples here? Hey, I think MU and hoops here are the tits, but, honestly, in your heart of hearts, ya gotta know, it ain't Duke, aina?
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I would be floored, absolutely floored, if we had 4 years of Todd Mayo. Honestly, I'm not counting on year 3, either.
This is one of the more ridiculous statements I've seen made on this board. Todd Mayo has certainly outperformed expectations this season, but he is no where near ready to play in the NBA. As we've seen over the past few weeks, he needs more consistency from downtown, and he also needs to develop a few better finishing moves for when he gets in the paint. Growing three inches wouldn't hurt either...
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This is one of the more ridiculous statements I've seen made on this board. Todd Mayo has certainly outperformed expectations this season, but he is no where near ready to play in the NBA. As we've seen over the past few weeks, he needs more consistency from downtown, and he also needs to develop a few better finishing moves for when he gets in the paint. Growing three inches wouldn't hurt either...
No, THIS^^ is the absurd statement. Brew is absolutly right. With DJO gone, Todd will become a starter and could take off next year, if not by the time his Junior year is over. You do realize Todd will be 21 next month right? You really think hes going to stick around 4 years and enter the draft when hes 24? You bring up growing. What's the only thing worse than iffy size? AGE. NO CHANCE he plays 4 years, if he does it means he isnt helping like he should.
Also note that vander(you know a sophmore) doesnt turn 20 til like june or july. Theres your lesson for today.
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No, THIS^^ is the absurd statement. Brew is absolutly right. With DJO gone, Todd will become a starter and could take off next year, if not by the time his Junior year is over. You do realize Todd will be 21 next month right? You really think hes going to stick around 4 years and enter the draft when hes 24? You bring up growing. What's the only thing worse than iffy size? AGE. NO CHANCE he plays 4 years, if he does it means he isnt helping like he should.
Also note that vander(you know a sophmore) doesnt turn 20 til like june or july. Theres your lesson for today.
So regardless or how prepared or unprepared you are just leave hey? A 24 year old rookie is much different than a 24 year old 3rd year player. Just look at Kobe. He has much more wear and tear than most guys his age because he went straight from high school to the pros. Mayo is an insersized shooting guard who will need to gain point guard skills to make it in the NBA. That isn't happening this year or next.
You realize Lazar was in the same situation that Todd is in, right? Even went to the same prep school. How could a guy so old stick around for four years?! Oh, right, because he wasn't ready. Well that must have seriously knocked Lazar's chances of being drafted, right?! Especially in the first round! Wait a minute...
Jamil's a 21 year old sophomore. Everyone, hold off on the excitement about his future, he's getting old and better get out while he can! Watch for him to go pro after this year! Chris Otule is getting too old, he'll be 23 during next year's season, forget about him getting a medical hardship waiver and a 6th year, he doesn't even need a 5th year, he's too old for college basketball, he's going from injury to the draft! MU fans better enjoy TJ Taylor while he's around. Being a 21 year old sophomore, he could only possibly be here for 1 year or he'll be too old!
Come on. If you ain't ready, you ain't ready. Suggesting a kid will leave school early just because he's a 22 year old junior is beyond laughable. If kids do that, good luck to them. Better chance of being a 24 year old who had a great college career than a 24 year old trying to find a spot in the NBA from Europe. Just ask Jerel McNeal how easy that is.
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So regardless or how prepared or unprepared you are just leave hey? A 24 year old rookie is much different than a 24 year old 3rd year player. Just look at Kobe. He has much more wear and tear than most guys his age because he went straight from high school to the pros. Mayo is an insersized shooting guard who will need to gain point guard skills to make it in the NBA. That isn't happening this year or next.
You realize Lazar was in the same situation that Todd is in, right? Even went to the same prep school. How could a guy so old stick around for four years?! Oh, right, because he wasn't ready. Well that must have seriously knocked Lazar's chances of being drafted, right?! Especially in the first round! Wait a minute...
Jamil's a 21 year old sophomore. Everyone, hold off on the excitement about his future, he's getting old and better get out while he can! Watch for him to go pro after this year! Chris Otule is getting too old, he'll be 23 during next year's season, forget about him getting a medical hardship waiver and a 6th year, he doesn't even need a 5th year, he's too old for college basketball, he's going from injury to the draft! MU fans better enjoy TJ Taylor while he's around. Being a 21 year old sophomore, he could only possibly be here for 1 year or he'll be too old!
Come on. If you ain't ready, you ain't ready. Suggesting a kid will leave school early just because he's a 22 year old junior is beyond laughable. If kids do that, good luck to them. Better chance of being a 24 year old who had a great college career than a 24 year old trying to find a spot in the NBA from Europe. Just ask Jerel McNeal how easy that is.
Wow, did you suffer a head injury today? TODD IS EXPECTED TO BE A STARTER BY NEXT YEAR. If he takes the normal strides with his age, with his family he is GONE. He will not wait til hes 24. Ya how is it working for Lazar? Good PT? Funny you bring up Kobe, lol what a comparison!!!! BTW they just talked about how Kobe will be around for another 6 years ready to break Kareems all time record. Ironic you bring up the wear and tear that clearly doesnt make him miss anytime.
And Todd will be a 23 year old junior. He plays 3 years, thats it. The guy will have two years as a starter under his belt, he will be GONE.
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And did you completely miss where I said IF todd plays 4 years, its a bad thing? It clearly will mean he didnt develop the way we need him to if we want a final 4 talented team in two years.
Im pretty sure hes not going to grow from his junior-senior year at 24 years old. So again, why would he enter a draft at 24? LOL.
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And did you completely miss where I said IF todd plays 4 years, its a bad thing? It clearly will mean he didnt develop the way we need him to if we want a final 4 talented team in two years.
Im pretty sure hes not going to grow from his junior-senior year at 24 years old. So again, why would he enter a draft at 24? LOL.
UNREALISTIC EXPECTATIONS ALERT!
And thats EXACTLY what everyone said about the Big Three. Seriously, we're already doing the "if we have him for 3-4 years?" This is silly, who was the last person to leave Marquette early for the NBA?
Jesus, and he's what 6'1? And not even a PG? Unless he becomes an utterly prolific scorer and puts the team on his back for a deep deep run, like ummm Kemba Walker (a PG btw) did, he isn't leaving early (there are only TWO rounds! and the 2nd one is the Euro draft). Is he Kemba? Maybe, but I'm not holding my breath.
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Wow, did you suffer a head injury today? TODD IS EXPECTED TO BE A STARTER BY NEXT YEAR. If he takes the normal strides with his age, with his family he is GONE. He will not wait til hes 24. Ya how is it working for Lazar? Good PT?
Wait, so Lazar would have been better off declaring after his junior year and not getting drafted at all, rather than getting drafted in the 1st round after his senior year?
Todd Mayo will leave when he thinks he has a legitimate chance of making a an NBA roster. Age doesn't matter that much. You don't leave a D1 program to go play in the D league just because you are 23. That's idiotic.
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I would be floored, absolutely floored, if we had 4 years of Todd Mayo. Honestly, I'm not counting on year 3, either.
Prepare to be "floored"
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But imagine a starting lineup of Rivers, DJO, Blue, Crowder, Otule. :o
As long as we're imagining Rivers coming to MU, I can imagine a healthy Otule.
Starting line up: Rivers, Rivers, Rivers, Rivers, Amal McCaskill.
I imagine cloning tools and time machines.
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UNREALISTIC EXPECTATIONS ALERT!
And thats EXACTLY what everyone said about the Big Three. Seriously, we're already doing the "if we have him for 3-4 years?" This is silly, who was the last person to leave Marquette early for the NBA?
Jesus, and he's what 6'1? And not even a PG? Unless he becomes an utterly prolific scorer and puts the team on his back for a deep deep run, like ummm Kemba Walker (a PG btw) did, he isn't leaving early (there are only TWO rounds! and the 2nd one is the Euro draft). Is he Kemba? Maybe, but I'm not holding my breath.
Yup and of the Big 3. 1 is currently in the NBA and none were drafted, once again my point. Try Todd being 6'3 but whateaver made up heights you want to use, go ahead. Its clear you are just as lost. If he plays 4 years there is no chance he gets drafted, assuming he improves as a starter hes GONE. No arguing it, his brother is OJ Mayo he will take off and go for the money.
But LOL still cant believe there was a Kobe comparison. Dear god I thought id heard it all.
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Yup and of the Big 3. 1 is currently in the NBA and none were drafted, once again my point. Try Todd being 6'3 but whateaver made up heights you want to use, go ahead. Its clear you are just as lost. If he plays 4 years there is no chance he gets drafted, assuming he improves as a starter hes GONE. No arguing it, his brother is OJ Mayo he will take off and go for the money.
But LOL still cant believe there was a Kobe comparison. Dear god I thought id heard it all.
Yeah sure, listed at 6'3. And Lazar was really 6'6.
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Yeah sure, listed at 6'3. And Lazar was really 6'6.
So since Lazars height is wrong in your eyes, todd's is too? Most people believe Jamil is really 6'8 rather than 6'7 so nice backwards logic there.
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Yup and of the Big 3. 1 is currently in the NBA and none were drafted, once again my point. Try Todd being 6'3 but whateaver made up heights you want to use, go ahead. Its clear you are just as lost. If he plays 4 years there is no chance he gets drafted, assuming he improves as a starter hes GONE. No arguing it, his brother is OJ Mayo he will take off and go for the money.
But LOL still cant believe there was a Kobe comparison. Dear god I thought id heard it all.
So you don't think if Kobe had played 2 years of college basketball instead of his first 2 years in the pros there would be less wear and tear on his body? You realize he has tendonitis on basically every part of his body, right? You think an 82 game NBA season, plus up to 28 Playoff games, will have the same effect on a player's body as a 30 game college season? Not to mention how much more physical the game is in the NBA and how much more physical the players are in the NBA? OK, good for you. Nowhere did I say Todd Mayo is like Kobe Bryant. Just saying that Kobe's playing age is older than his actual age, and there is no doubt about that.
You realize that Todd was a 2 star recruit, right? So 2 stars should develop into early-entry draft picks or else something is wrong? OK ::)
Mayo is averaging 8.7 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 1.3 apg, and 1.6 turnovers/game in 21 minutes/game. He's (listed at) 6'3", 190 lbs. How many 6'3" shooting guards are in the NBA? Hint: not many. He'll need to show he can play the point guard. A good start to that would be having more assists than turnovers. And then to actually play the point guard position. With Junior and Wilson platooning there for the rest of this year and all of next year, and with Blue being the 3rd option for the next 2 1/2 years, Mayo will not be getting much time at the point guard. None at all next year, that is for sure. So I guess if he wants to leave early that is his decision, but it's a horrible one.
Look at DJO. He's listed an inch shorter, but has a MUCH more solid build, a much better "NBA body." Yet he very well may not even be drafted. And he is averaging 18.2 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 2.8 apg, and 2.5 turnovers/game in 32 minutes/game.
You really expect Mayo to put up better numbers than what DJO is putting up NEXT YEAR? I hope you are right, but man, talk about raising expectations way too high. DJO and Todd both have the same problem in regard to their pro prospects. They are shooting guards in point guard bodies. Are they both athletic? Absolutely. But they are also both small. And neither possess point guard skills. Mayo's shot selection is not exactly a strength, and when he misses a bad shot he tries to make up for it by being overaggressive trying to get an offensive rebound and picks up a foul 90 feet from the other team's hoop that he had no chance to get the ball as it was. He needs time to mature and to gain the skills for the position at which he will play in the NBA (point guard).
Wait, so Lazar would have been better off declaring after his junior year and not getting drafted at all, rather than getting drafted in the 1st round after his senior year?
Todd Mayo will leave when he thinks he has a legitimate chance of making a an NBA roster. Age doesn't matter that much. You don't leave a D1 program to go play in the D league just because you are 23. That's idiotic.
Thank you and well put. That is hilarious. Lazar and Todd were in the same situation. So you're saying Lazar should have left after his sophomore year because he was an old sophomore? So that he went undrafted and played in Europe and never made it to the NBA? He's not better off being drafted in the first round and guaranteed a contract? Hmm. That is some VERY interesting logic you have going on there, Hayward. Leaving early to go undrafted and play in Europe just because you're 23 years old is not a good decision. Going from Europe to the pros after playing college in the United States does not happen very often. Being drafted at 24 is more likely than being picked up out of Europe.
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So since Lazars height is wrong in your eyes, todd's is too? Most people believe Jamil is really 6'8 rather than 6'7 so nice backwards logic there.
Cause your logic that he'll leave cause "he'll be old" or something really holds up. Oooh, and because he has a brother in the NBA! Forgot how strong that unrelated point is.
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Cause your logic that he'll leave cause "he'll be old" or something really holds up. Oooh, and because he has a brother in the NBA! Forgot how strong that unrelated point is.
Haha yup. Age and family members in the NBA are the keys to an early entry into the NBA Draft. Who cares about basketball ability and tools for the NBA?!
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This is why Mo Acker was so terrific. A point guard, cool, calm and collected, who could run the team, AND score from the perimeter. His senior year, he saved that team, and that was huge for Buzz at that point in his career.
Ok Cadougan is a better defender than Acker who was too small to be effective as a defender. I get that.
There are recruits out there like Mo who MU could realistically land.
Acker is one of the most underrated players MU has ever had.
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Some of Kobe's tendinitis is no doubt due to overextending his middle leg into places it had no business being.
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Some of Kobe's tendinitis is no doubt due to overextending his middle leg into places it had no business being.
Haha. Good call
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This is why Mo Acker was so terrific. A point guard, cool, calm and collected, who could run the team, AND score from the perimeter. His senior year, he saved that team, and that was huge for Buzz at that point in his career.
Ok Cadougan is a better defender than Acker who was too small to be effective as a defender. I get that.
There are recruits out there like Mo who MU could realistically land.
Acker is one of the most underrated players MU has ever had.
Willie Warrior just choked and died on his own vomit.
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Haha yup. Age and family members in the NBA are the keys to an early entry into the NBA Draft. Who cares about basketball ability and tools for the NBA?!
So todd mayo has no tools or basketball ability? Ok. You cant be this stupid seriousyl. IF TODD MAYO IMPROVES AND BECOMES A LEGIT BIG EAST STARTING GUARD LIKE EXPECTED.......HES GONE. Do I really need to bold. There is no chance he stays, he will test the waters and enter. All he needs is one solid season.
Guys do it all the damn time. Still waiting for why Kobe Bryant was compared to Todd Mayo.
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So todd mayo has no tools or basketball ability? Ok. You cant be this stupid seriousyl. IF TODD MAYO IMPROVES AND BECOMES A LEGIT BIG EAST STARTING GUARD LIKE EXPECTED.......HES GONE. Do I really need to bold. There is no chance he stays, he will test the waters and enter. All he needs is one solid season.
Guys do it all the damn time. Still waiting for why Kobe Bryant was compared to Todd Mayo.
I think it's pretty hilarious that you are telling others that they cannot be this stupid when your posts are as ridiculously unintelligent as they are. Who said Todd had no tools or basketball ability? Because he does not have the tools or ability to play in the NBA does not mean he does not have any basketball tools or ability at all. Pretty horrible logic. And all "legit Big East starting guards" go pro? Interesting. Scotty Reynolds, Dominic James, Jerel McNeal, Jerry McNemera, Jerry Smith, and the list goes on and on and on and on and on and on would tend to disagree with you. But hey, man, again, just forget the fact that sometimes sticking around is a good idea if a player is not ready to play in the NBA. His (half) brother is in the NBA and he will be 24 his senior year so he better leave early if he is a decent guard! Would you consider DJO a "legit Big East guard?" Wasn't he a "legit Big East guard" last year? Why is he still here then?!
And again, where did anybody compare Kobe Bryant to Todd Mayo. The point being made was that human age is different than NBA age. A 30 year old 12th year player is different than a 30 year old 8th year player. If you can't understand that I feel sorry for you. Reading comprehension (and articulation of your thoughts in the written word) are clearly not strengths of yours. MATC did you well, man...
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So todd mayo has no tools or basketball ability? Ok. You cant be this stupid seriousyl. IF TODD MAYO IMPROVES AND BECOMES A LEGIT BIG EAST STARTING GUARD LIKE EXPECTED.......HES GONE. Do I really need to bold. There is no chance he stays, he will test the waters and enter. All he needs is one solid season.
Do you think Todd will get drafted by an NBA team with one solid season under his belt? I feel like a 6'3" shooting guard needs to have an all-american season to have a shot at getting drafted.
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Pretty funny that what started as a "what-if" subject about Austin Rivers devolved into a when-is-Mayo-going-pro debate.
Some points:
1. Plenty of very good players stick around well past their 22nd birthdays to keep playing college ball. Lazar was an excellent example; he was almost 24 when he made his NBA debut. He had a very nice junior year and could have tried to go pro if only because he felt he was getting too old. He didn't.
2. There are all kinds of reasons guys stay in college when they could have been first-round draft picks after their junior seasons. Guys want to get their degrees. Guys simply love the college experience. Guys want to improve their draft prospects. Guys don't have pressing financial need. Jimmer Fredette averaged 22 points as a junior but returned to BYU for his senior season - and is glad he did. He was almost 23 when he made his NBA debut.
3. An underclassman might want to go pro but NBA scouts and GMs might strongly recommend he stay in college. One need look no further than McNeal and James for examples there; they tested the waters and learned the seas were too choppy, so they came back to the safe port that was MU. There are two sides to this decision, and if you ignore the NBA side telling you that you simply aren't ready, you won't be doing yourself any favors by leaving.
4. Just because a guy might not really be NBA-ready doesn't mean he won't leave anyway. This happens all the time, usually to horrific results for the kid. A player might get bad advice from those close to him. He might decide he can't stand one more year of pretending to take school seriously. He might not want to wait until he's another year older. He might have serious financial need. Mayo might fit any of these ... or might not.
Conjecture is fun. It's the reason we have this site and others. But there is WAY too much unknown for anybody to make even an educated guess as to what Mayo's future holds.
I, for one, will be happy if he just gets back to being the nice role player he was for MU before he hit whatever wall he hit a few weeks ago!
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Man, I wish I could make the same money those guys playing in Europe do.
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I for one take it a year at a time and hoPe Mayo is back next year! I'm not worried about the NBA either. He is the likely starter next year, but Taylor and Blue will push him for time. Would it be stupid for him to leave after this year - of course. But who knows, maybe he thinks Europe gets him
to the nba faster or just becomes disgruntled at lack of playing time. Or thinks he should get Blues minutes, etc. I take nothing for granted and hope he is here next year. Then we can see how he does and worry about the nba.
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So todd mayo has no tools or basketball ability? Ok. You cant be this stupid seriousyl. IF TODD MAYO IMPROVES AND BECOMES A LEGIT BIG EAST STARTING GUARD LIKE EXPECTED.......HES GONE. Do I really need to bold. There is no chance he stays, he will test the waters and enter. All he needs is one solid season.
You could say the same thing about Jamail Jones...doesn't mean it's gonna happen.
I for one take it a year at a time and hoPe Mayo is back next year! I'm not worried about the NBA either. He is the likely starter next year, but Taylor and Blue will push him for time.
That's a damn good point. TJ Taylor could very well be the starter for DJO next year, and Mayo could be the first guard off the bench. (Blue will still start at the wing like he does now....probably with Anderson and Jones backing him up.) Or even if Mayo does start, Taylor will be getting minutes. Mayo isn't ready to take over games like DJO is doing this year. Mayo isn't yet matching what DJO did his sophomore year. (Not saying he won't...)
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You could say the same thing about Jamail Jones...doesn't mean it's gonna happen.
That's a damn good point. TJ Taylor could very well be the starter for DJO next year, and Mayo could be the first guard off the bench. (Blue will still start at the wing like he does now....probably with Anderson and Jones backing him up.) Or even if Mayo does start, Taylor will be getting minutes. Mayo isn't ready to take over games like DJO is doing this year. Mayo isn't yet matching what DJO did his sophomore year. (Not saying he won't...)
You can't say the same for Jamail? He hasnt even proven he can get sufficient garbage time minutes.
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Kobe Bryant averaging almost 30 ppg. Ya wear and tear is just killing him!!!!!!!!
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You can't say the same for Jamail? He hasnt even proven he can get sufficient garbage time minutes.
Why not? If he improves he could enter the draft next year. That's the same thing you are saying about Mayo.
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Stay on topic, Hayward.
Do you think Todd will get drafted after a solid year in the Big East?
What kind of year do you think he would have to have to get drafted?
Let's establish this part of the debate.
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Kobe Bryant averaging almost 30 ppg. Ya wear and tear is just killing him!!!!!!!!
Not picking a side in this fight, but wear and tear isn't the issue. The issue is that the NBA drafts on potential. At 24, they think you've already become what you're going to be as a player, with only marginal improvements. At 19, 20, 21, they get caught up in what you COULD be three years down the road and place a much higher value on a 19/20/21 year old that is producing at or near the same level as a 24 year old in college. I think that's the point people are trying to make.
Now back to your regularly scheduled pissing match!
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Not picking a side in this fight, but wear and tear isn't the issue. The issue is that the NBA drafts on potential. At 24, they think you've already become what you're going to be as a player, with only marginal improvements. At 19, 20, 21, they get caught up in what you COULD be three years down the road and place a much higher value on a 19/20/21 year old that is producing at or near the same level as a 24 year old in college. I think that's the point people are trying to make.
Now back to your regularly scheduled pissing match!
This is 100% correct, if the guy is 7ft tall. and/or an athletic freak.
Not a lot of 6' 3" shooting guards getting drafted on potential.