I can't be too stressed about today. Winning at Notre Dame was always going to be a tough hill to climb. If I counted right, they shot 8/12 from three in the second half. Meanwhile, we had a lid on the basket. Granted, there were some poor shots, but even the good shots we took rolled in and out. They were hitting everything.
This may have cost us any slim chance we had at the Big East regular season title. We should still finish in the top four, will have a chance to win the tournament title in New York, and should still get a top-four seed in the NCAAs. This is a loss, but it isn't a bad loss considering ND's play of late.
They played lights out in the second half. It happens. Move on, beat DePaul, and keep rolling towards 2nd in the league.
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Yep.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 04, 2012, 05:36:53 PM
I can't be too stressed about today. Winning at Notre Dame was always going to be a tough hill to climb. If I counted right, they shot 8/12 from three in the second half. Meanwhile, we had a lid on the basket. Granted, there were some poor shots, but even the good shots we took rolled in and out. They were hitting everything.
This may have cost us any slim chance we had at the Big East regular season title. We should still finish in the top four, will have a chance to win the tournament title in New York, and should still get a top-four seed in the NCAAs. This is a loss, but it isn't a bad loss considering ND's play of late.
They played lights out in the second half. It happens. Move on, beat DePaul, and keep rolling towards 2nd in the league.
A sad tip of the hat to ND for shooting the lights out. They would have beaten anyone today.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on February 04, 2012, 06:12:10 PM
A sad tip of the hat to ND for shooting the lights out. They would have beaten anyone today.
Other teams wouldn't have left ND's shooters wide open for the entire game.
Some were wide open yes, but there were three or four last second, contested, turn around, fade away shots that dropped.
They got hot.
We had a good 7 game run, we stayed close in this one for 28 minutes in a tough environment, they got hot as we went cold. I refuse to get upset about a conference road loss. Unless we repeat it against DePaul.
Why in the world were we constantly bringing weak side help to stop drives? I don't know how many times Jae would over collapse and leave his man wide open in the corner for the three. I thought his performance was horrendous.
Quote from: MUFanatic4 on February 06, 2012, 01:36:05 PM
Why in the world were we constantly bringing weak side help to stop drives? I don't know how many times Jae would over collapse and leave his man wide open in the corner for the three. I thought his performance was horrendous.
In BE play, entering the game ND shot 28.9% on 3's. They were shooting 47.3% on 2pt fg's. MU was down two centers and had the one who was forced (JWilson) into that position in deep foul trouble. How would you have game planned PRIOR to the game? Shutting down the 3's or the 2 pt fg's?
ND shot 50% from the field that day. 49% from 3 range, 51% from 2. I'm not too sure they beat those percentages if you lock them in the gym alone overnight. They were unusually hot. Open or not, they did not miss. MU did, however, miss some open looks - just as ND typically does in a game. Just not that game.
ND played uncharacteristic that day.
Quote from: MUMac on February 06, 2012, 03:25:29 PM
In BE play, entering the game ND shot 28.9% on 3's. They were shooting 47.3% on 2pt fg's. MU was down two centers and had the one who was forced (JWilson) into that position in deep foul trouble. How would you have game planned PRIOR to the game? Shutting down the 3's or the 2 pt fg's?
ND shot 50% from the field that day. 49% from 3 range, 51% from 2. I'm not too sure they beat those percentages if you lock them in the gym alone overnight. They were unusually hot. Open or not, they did not miss. MU did, however, miss some open looks - just as ND typically does in a game. Just not that game.
ND played uncharacteristic that day.
Exactly.
Buzz and Brey both knew what the other was going to bring on Saturday. Those two could have met at a Starbucks before the game, bought each other a latte and discussed each other's game plan Friday night without yielding any advantage to the other. MU was going to make ND shoot from the floor, and they executed that perfectly. ND knew they were going to be forced to shoot from the floor, but not only did they execute, but they sent MU to the firing range, gas chamber, electric chair and gallows all in the course of 40 minutes.
Quote from: MUMac on February 06, 2012, 03:25:29 PM
In BE play, entering the game ND shot 28.9% on 3's. They were shooting 47.3% on 2pt fg's. MU was down two centers and had the one who was forced (JWilson) into that position in deep foul trouble. How would you have game planned PRIOR to the game? Shutting down the 3's or the 2 pt fg's?
ND shot 50% from the field that day. 49% from 3 range, 51% from 2. I'm not too sure they beat those percentages if you lock them in the gym alone overnight. They were unusually hot. Open or not, they did not miss. MU did, however, miss some open looks - just as ND typically does in a game. Just not that game.
ND played uncharacteristic that day.
yes but at some point you have to abandon the game plan when they are shooting the ball extremely well. They planned properly, it was the lack adaption to the situation that I was most disappointed with.
Quote from: MUFanatic4 on February 07, 2012, 06:34:24 AM
yes but at some point you have to abandon the game plan when they are shooting the ball extremely well. They planned properly, it was the lack adaption to the situation that I was most disappointed with.
It was a 4 point game with 10 to go. Cooley was still in the game. ND's run started with Crowder making a really bad decision on an inbound and then Blue missing a fast break layup. After that, ND hit a miraculous 3. When, exactly, would you have changed the gameplan? It's always easy, after the fact. I don't disagree with the game plan. I do not disagree with the approach from MU's standpoint. ND was unbelievable from 3 during the last 10 minutes.
Sometimes the other teams scholarship players deserve a tip of the cap. I do in this instance. You can beat up our coach and our team, I do not believe that is why we lost. ND would have beaten anyone that day.
Monday morning coaches never lose, never make mistakes.
Quote from: MUMac on February 07, 2012, 08:12:31 AM
It was a 4 point game with 10 to go. Cooley was still in the game. ND's run started with Crowder making a really bad decision on an inbound and then Blue missing a fast break layup. After that, ND hit a miraculous 3. When, exactly, would you have changed the gameplan? It's always easy, after the fact. I don't disagree with the game plan. I do not disagree with the approach from MU's standpoint. ND was unbelievable from 3 during the last 10 minutes.
Sometimes the other teams scholarship players deserve a tip of the cap. I do in this instance. You can beat up our coach and our team, I do not believe that is why we lost. ND would have beaten anyone that day.
Monday morning coaches never lose, never make mistakes.
The first 4 field goals for ND in the second half were 3 pointers. The next FG, a jumper, was scored with 11:34 left. We weren't getting beaten in the paint but the drive and dish yet we still insisted on collapsing from the weak side when it wasn't necessary. Give help when Cooley had the rock but other than that it wasn't needed. Cooley wasn't even playing that great himself. It's hard to miss when you leave shooters wide open on the 3 point line. I disagree that ND would have beaten anyone that day. Any team which had an athletic big man would have eaten ND inside and there would definitely had been no need for help on ND's big men. Even as we were lacking a big man we played decent defense inside. They just out played us but we didn't do a whole lot to stop them.
O k, don't understand your point. As I stated, still a 4 point game at the 10 minute mark. That is after the start you cite. When would you have changed your game plan? Apparently at half time. At that time, Wilson was already in foul trouble. It would have openned up the inside and then more foul trouble.
I guess your coaching style is different than mine. I trust the game plan they had as it was sound based upon tendencies. To deviate mid stream made little sense to me at the time, still doesn't. MU was undersized and needed to contain the interior of ND. That is how ND has typically won. We saw yesterday that De Paul was unbelievable from 3 early. Not their typical game. Sometimes they were open, sometimes not. But, De Paul returned to earth, missing open 3's, which is what is more expected. I would have expected the same from ND, unfortunately, they never cooled.
Saturday was not ND's typical game. I get that, not sure you do. At any rate, I tip my hat to ND as they hit the shots. They did not cool off. That does not mean the game plan was wrong or poorly executed. It sometimes means the other team had their day.
Buzz' defensive philosophy is to play inside out. That is why people get frustrated with the help defense. He wants the lower percentage shot. With a smaller team, that makes sense to me. Others do not see it the same way. Can't argue, though, as he has taken teams further each year than most projected prior to the season, so he must be doing something right.
I completely understand that Saturday was not ND's normal game. They got hot and kept hitting three's which they don't do on a consistent basis. My point is that once you realize that this may not be the ND team/game that you game planned for you need to make adjustments. Buzz's defensive strategy may be to play inside out but at some point that the inside strategy is not the one to play that day. I guess I expect teams to adapt to what is going on in the game rather than stick to what you planned.