1. No foul trouble for Jae or JWilson.
2. Play defense like we did against Wisconsin. Same kind of tempo. Have somebody yelling when the shot clock gets to 10.
3. Pressure the guards. If we can speed them up or turn them over......
4. Need a 3rd and 4th scorer. I don't care who gets what, but Blue, Junior, Mayo, and Wilson need to come up with 35 pts.
5. Break even on the boards.
1. No foul trouble for Jae or JWilson.
2. No foul trouble for Jae or JWilson.
3. No foul trouble for Jae or JWilson.
4. No foul trouble for Jae or JWilson.
5. No foul trouble for Jae or JWilson.
Since they only go 6 deep, sometimes not even that (against UCONN, their starters combined for 180 minutes), I would say execution of any two of the following should be good enough for an MU win on an average night:
1. Get one of their starters - especially Cooley - in foul trouble.
2. Push the tempo on offense & 3/4-court pressure on defense.
3. Crash the boards.
Also, it wouldn't hurt to make these guys shoot from the floor... they're 200th nationally in FG%.
I actually think keeping Jae and Jamil out of foul trouble is less important in this game than it will be going forward. ND's biggest guys are 6'9, 250-265 (Broeghammer, Cooley and Knight). Jae is only 6'6, 235. Jamil is 6'7, 220. We don't lose THAT much in size going to Jamail (6'6, 210) or Juan (6'6, 210).
The catch is that burn offense. With Jae and Jamil off the court, we become a less efficient offense and defense, which is magnified with less possessions. But if we effectively double on the block and front the big men, going a few extra minutes without Jae and Jamil could be less harmful than in a game against, for example, UCONN (with a 7'1, 2x 6'10s, and 2x 6'9s).
If Jae and Jamil sit early against ND, it's less of an size difference and they sit for less possessions than against other teams on the schedule ahead. I'd rather see them play aggressive and try to build a solid lead early against a team that prefers to take the air out of the ball.
(Hoping I don't eat these words.....)
Quote from: Benny B on February 03, 2012, 12:55:15 PM
Since they only go 6 deep, sometimes not even that (against UCONN, their starters combined for 180 minutes), I would say execution of any two of the following should be good enough for an MU win on an average night:
1. Get one of their starters - especially Cooley - in foul trouble.
2. Push the tempo on offense & 3/4-court pressure on defense.
3. Crash the boards.
Also, it wouldn't hurt to make these guys shoot from the floor... they're 200th nationally in FG%.
If their starters are going that long I'd make key #2 more important. If we can force turnovers and push the tempo it will force them to go to their bench. Unless someone (Juan, JJ, or D. Wilson) catches lightening in a bottle, we're not much deeper, but I like our guys in faster paced game.
Go find the binder/file folder with the gameplan we had for Wisconsin, and use that.
Just like Seton Hall: Cut off Theodore and no foul issues on Crowder or Wilson. It worked.
ND: Cut off Atkins, no foul issues, plus Mayo, Anderson and yes even J. Jones must put more than two total bench points on the board.
It is just a gut feeling, but Mayo is really, really due to start having those shots fall.
As I said on another thread:
I thought the two key numbers from the Seton Hall game were 38 and 1.
38 = number of minutes Crowder played.
1 = number of fouls Crowder committed.
This despite the fact that Crowder had to spend much of the game playing post defense against a good center.
We will need more of the same Saturday, especially with Gardner not expected to play. I'm not great at predictions, but if Jae can stay out of foul trouble and on the court, I like our chances. If he can't, we're toast.
Quote from: nyg on February 03, 2012, 02:26:07 PM
It is just a gut feeling, but Mayo is really, really due to start having those shots fall.
Agreed. I think this will happen. He's due for a big game.
I think the keys to beat ND are to play fast and score transition baskets; attack the basket to get their slow, big guys in foul trouble; and make our shots.
Last year in the second game against them we couldn't make our shots and they could.
Go Warriors!
Don't start out 16-4 (or something similar). Either play with a lead or within striking distance from the get go.
Quote from: lab_warrior on February 03, 2012, 03:32:01 PM
Agreed. I think this will happen. He's due for a big game.
I just realized that your picture is Heisenberg. Love it.
Keep them OFF the glass.
Shoot more FTs.
Score more points than ND.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on February 03, 2012, 06:02:17 PM
Score more points than ND.
That and no foul trouble of crowder and wilson.
It really comes down to us hitting threes and Notre Dame not hitting threes.
We should be in good shape then as i believe we're first as a team in big east games in 3p% (38%) and notre dame is 14th (29%) .
Quote from: Lighthouse 84 on February 03, 2012, 04:38:24 PM
Don't start out 16-4 (or something similar). Either play with a lead or within striking distance from the get go.
Going to be important in this one. Whatever the lead or deficit is against Notre Dame, double it and you have something you can compare to a Villanova. So 16-4 is like being down by 24 because of the way they play. Get a 10 point lead and don't turn the ball over and it's almost like being up 20.
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Got to play well on the glass. We were awesome against Seton Hall. Going to need more of that.
Just stumbled upon these from CBS Sports as the 3 keys to the game by Mike Singer:
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Feb. 03, 2012 11:42 a.m. - by Mike Singer - 3 keys to a Golden Eagle win: No. 1 -- Rebounding
The Eagles' 6-7 F Jamil Wilson and 6-4 G Vander Blue need to crash the glass in F Davante Gardner's absence (knee). Blue set a personal best with 8 rebounds vs. Seton Hall on Tuesday but Wilson, at only 3.5 rebounds per game, needs to position himself better. To his credit, Wilson's averaged 2.5 blocks in his last four games. Eagles RapidReports
Feb. 03, 2012 11:40 a.m. - by Mike Singer - 3 keys to a Golden Eagle win: No. 2 -- Cadougan's defense
PG Junior Cadougan will need to utilize the same defense on Irish G Jerian Grant that forced Villanova's Maalik Wayns into 3 for 10 shooting and 6 turnovers and limited Seton Hall's Jordan Theodore to 3-of-14 shooting. "For as slow as he is and as heavy as he is, and supposedly he can't guard anybody, 'ole boy's done all right," Buzz Williams quipped. Eagles RapidReports
Feb. 03, 2012 11:39 a.m. - by Mike Singer - 3 keys to a Golden Eagle win: No. 3 -- Play aggressive
Playing an up-tempo, aggressive game against the Irish will be difficult given the Eagles' thin rotation. That's exactly what Marquette needs to do on Saturday. It can't afford to play a grind it out style game with Notre Dame, especially since the Irish's turnover percentage is just 16.4 -- 10th best in the country. Eagles RapidReports
1. How about play a full 40 with no slow start
2. How about play a full 40 with no slow start
3. How about play a full 40 with no slow start
4. How about play a full 40 with no slow start
5. How about play a full 40 with no slow start
Quote from: MisterDMU on February 03, 2012, 12:59:07 PM
I actually think keeping Jae and Jamil out of foul trouble is less important in this game than it will be going forward. ND's biggest guys are 6'9, 250-265 (Broeghammer, Cooley and Knight). Jae is only 6'6, 235. Jamil is 6'7, 220. We don't lose THAT much in size going to Jamail (6'6, 210) or Juan (6'6, 210).
But if we effectively double on the block and front the big men, going a few extra minutes without Jae and Jamil could be less harmful than in a game against, for example, UCONN (with a 7'1, 2x 6'10s, and 2x 6'9s).
If Jae and Jamil sit early against ND, it's less of an size difference and they sit for less possessions than against other teams on the schedule ahead.
(Hoping I don't eat these words.....)
I agree completely. They are tall but job a good offensive rebounding team, while uconn is top 10 in offensive rebounds. We can keep teams off the glass, But it entails vander and the guards hitting the boards, meaning they are not breaking for outlet passes and beating players down the court. Bi believe we can do that Gainst Nd and possibly run them into the ground, but it will be tough at uconn.
edit: fixed quote, I think
Quote from: bamamarquettefan on February 04, 2012, 12:12:32 AM
Sorry, accidentally inserted my reply in your quote - but suffice it to say I agree with you!
Build a lead, and step on their throats. We have a tendency to build leads and find ourselves out of our comfort zone and as a result, squander it away. If we can build a 10-point lead against this inept ND offense we should be able to maintain it throughout the rest of the game.
Score 60 points. In eight of ND's last nine games, the losing team scored 59 or less. In the one game where the losing team scored over 59, it took double-overtime to reach that point total (65).
Good chance that the first team to 50 wins, but certainly if a team gets to 60, that should do it.
Quote from: MisterDMU on February 03, 2012, 12:59:07 PM
I actually think keeping Jae and Jamil out of foul trouble is less important in this game than it will be going forward. ND's biggest guys are 6'9, 250-265 (Broeghammer, Cooley and Knight). Jae is only 6'6, 235. Jamil is 6'7, 220. We don't lose THAT much in size going to Jamail (6'6, 210) or Juan (6'6, 210).
The size drop off might not be drastic between Jae/Jamil and Jamail/Juan....but the production level is. I would love for Juan and Jamail to step up and standout this game...however don't want to be in a position where they're needed to.
Maybe Juan will pull a Mayo @ Wisco performance today.
1. Score more points than Notre Dame does.
Quote from: Wade for President on February 04, 2012, 06:04:16 AM
The size drop off might not be drastic between Jae/Jamil and Jamail/Juan....but the production level is. I would love for Juan and Jamail to step up and standout this game...however don't want to be in a position where they're needed to.
Maybe Juan will pull a Mayo @ Wisco performance today.
Maybe Juan, but not maybe Jones. I checked the stats and he has not scored a single point in the last 14 games. Yes, he did have some DNPs, but has not made a shot or free throw. That is a long stretch........
MU will need some bench points and Mayo is due. Lets hope they get some contribution in the point aspect of the bench today.
Quote from: DrDestiny911 on February 04, 2012, 06:45:22 AM
1. Score more points than Notre Dame does.
Dr. Destiny, did you know that it is statistically proven that those who win the tip, win the game about 50% of the time?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on February 03, 2012, 06:02:17 PM
Score more points than ND.
ya beat me to it!! todd "hold the" mayo for 30
Quote from: wyzgy on February 04, 2012, 07:44:32 AMya beat me to it!! todd "hold the" mayo for 30
30 what? Minutes played? I would bet pretty much anything that no one scores 30 this game. I'd be mildly surprised if the top scorer got over 20. ND plays a very slow pace, like Wisconsin. This game won't be played in the 70s, more likely it'll be in the 50s.
the golden domers avg. 67.4 ppg and allow about 62. i see the o/u being around 130 and nd starting out as one point dogs. the joyce center is a tough place to play. if we can keep our composure and keep the crowd out of it, never mind just win baby!!
Quote from: downtown85 on February 04, 2012, 07:34:29 AM
Dr. Destiny, did you know that it is statistically proven that those who win the tip, win the game about 50% of the time?
You can use statistics to prove anything. 40% of people know that.
Quote from: wyzgy on February 04, 2012, 09:07:55 AM
the golden domers avg. 67.4 ppg and allow about 62. i see the o/u being around 130 and nd starting out as one point dogs. the joyce center is a tough place to play. if we can keep our composure and keep the crowd out of it, never mind just win baby!!
MU -2
O/U 128.
Quote from: wyzgy on February 04, 2012, 09:07:55 AMthe golden domers avg. 67.4 ppg and allow about 62. i see the o/u being around 130 and nd starting out as one point dogs. the joyce center is a tough place to play. if we can keep our composure and keep the crowd out of it, never mind just win baby!!
Their ppg average scored and allowed are inflated by their early season games. In their past 6 games, none of them have featured more than 125 points combined. The average total points over those games is 112, with ND averaging 57.2 ppg and their opponents averaging 54.8 ppg.
If you're betting, take the under. But back to the point...
Quote from: wyzgy on February 04, 2012, 07:44:32 AMya beat me to it!! todd "hold the" mayo for 30
30 what? You must be smoking something serious if you think Mayo is going to go for 30 points in this game. Considering that neither DJO nor Jae have EVER scored 30 in a game, I hardly think DJO's backup will do it in what will be a low scoring affair.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 04, 2012, 08:39:37 AM
I'd be mildly surprised if the top scorer got over 20.
Mildly surprised yet?
Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 04, 2012, 01:47:39 PM
Mildly surprised yet?
From a traditional freshman from Mass. Yes.