I'm going to preface this by saying that I'm not trying to "throw the guy under the bus" or anything, but...
I'm pretty frustrated by his lack of development. Yeah, I know he was hurt and suspended for a couple of games, but after the UW game where he had some great energy, grabbed five boards and scored a nice basket, I thought "OK...slow start but here's something."
But since then it's been a bunch of energy and running around, but honestly not much else.
We are really going to need him (or Jamail) next year. We've talked about Jamail here before, but honestly Juan concerns me as well. I was hoping that one of them could do something next year close to what Jamil is doing this year - quality minutes...defend well...hit a couple shots...don't turn the ball over. Now I'm not so sure.
I think Juan suffers from too short of a leash.
And lack of strength.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on February 01, 2012, 11:55:13 AM
I'm going to preface this by saying that I'm not trying to "throw the guy under the bus" or anything, but...
I'm pretty frustrated by his lack of development. Yeah, I know he was hurt and suspended for a couple of games, but after the UW game where he had some great energy, grabbed five boards and scored a nice basket, I thought "OK...slow start but here's something."
But since then it's been a bunch of energy and running around, but honestly not much else.
We are really going to need him (or Jamail) next year. We've talked about Jamail here before, but honestly Juan concerns me as well. I was hoping that one of them could do something next year close to what Jamil is doing this year - quality minutes...defend well...hit a couple shots...don't turn the ball over. Now I'm not so sure.
Was excited to see if he could step up last night with the oppurtunity and disappointed that he didn't. Having said that it is difficult to tell what his develpment is with the limited minutes he is getting. If Buzz put him in the rotation early on, he must have confidence in him based on what he is doing in practice
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on February 01, 2012, 11:55:13 AM
We are really going to need him (or Jamail) next year.
More like we are going to need them on Saturday.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on February 01, 2012, 11:55:13 AM
I'm going to preface this by saying that I'm not trying to "throw the guy under the bus" or anything, but...
I'm pretty frustrated by his lack of development. Yeah, I know he was hurt and suspended for a couple of games, but after the UW game where he had some great energy, grabbed five boards and scored a nice basket, I thought "OK...slow start but here's something."
But since then it's been a bunch of energy and running around, but honestly not much else.
We are really going to need him (or Jamail) next year. We've talked about Jamail here before, but honestly Juan concerns me as well. I was hoping that one of them could do something next year close to what Jamil is doing this year - quality minutes...defend well...hit a couple shots...don't turn the ball over. Now I'm not so sure.
I am much more concerned about Jamail, but getting back to Juan. Think you are spot on, his feet seem to be pretty good, and obviously has athleticism. Currently reminds me of a young Joe Fulce type where he grab rebounds, hopefully hit the occasional open 16 footer. Thing to remember Juan is 18, a full year younger than anyone on the team, and he missed 3 games, so at this point, I can let it slide.
We may get a chance to see over the next few games. His minutes last night were very limited. What I'd like to see is a solid court presence for 8-10 minutes a game giving Wilson a rest. He looked a tad nervous and out of control last night possibly because of the burden he now carries. Let's see how Saturday and Monday work out as he relaxes just a bit.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on February 01, 2012, 11:55:13 AM
I'm going to preface this by saying that I'm not trying to "throw the guy under the bus" or anything, but...
I'm pretty frustrated by his lack of development. Yeah, I know he was hurt and suspended for a couple of games, but after the UW game where he had some great energy, grabbed five boards and scored a nice basket, I thought "OK...slow start but here's something."
But since then it's been a bunch of energy and running around, but honestly not much else.
We are really going to need him (or Jamail) next year. We've talked about Jamail here before, but honestly Juan concerns me as well. I was hoping that one of them could do something next year close to what Jamil is doing this year - quality minutes...defend well...hit a couple shots...don't turn the ball over. Now I'm not so sure.
What are you complaining about? We're the hottest team in (and could possibly win) the Big East and you're talking about next year?
Jimmy Butler was at a junior college his freshman year. Juan is fine.
I think it is very hard not to make mistakes, when you know you are going to the bench if you make one. That simply adds pressure on a player that is already feeling pressure, because he is inexperienced.
I don't know if you guys saw the Inside Marquette Basketball episode two weeks ago, where Juan was Homer's special guest. Did you know that Juan didn't start playing competitive/organized basketball until his freshman year (was a soccer player)?!? I find it fascinating (and as a former athlete, maddening as hell) that guys can pick up a scholarship in a sport that isn't their initial love/focus. But I digress.
First of all, I love what Juan is about (I've been listening to Buzz too much). He has the right attitude, is 110% committed, and above all else, is frustrated/upset at his lack of playing time and limited contributions to the team. His energy and hunger will help him over the years.
After the segment, Buzz came out and said that Juan has had a very challenging year @ MU (suspension, injuries leading to eight missed practice, etc). But what Buzz also said, was that Juan is going to grow into a great player at Marquette.
Frustrated at his lack of progress, yes. But, far from concerned.
I don't know if you guys saw the Inside Marquette Basketball episode two weeks ago, where Juan was Homer's special guest. Did you know that Juan didn't start playing competitive/organized basketball until his freshman year (was a soccer player)?!? I find it fascinating (and as a former athlete, maddening as hell) that guys can pick up a scholarship in a sport that isn't their initial love/focus. But I digress.
First of all, I love what Juan is about (I've been listening to Buzz too much). He has the right attitude, is 110% committed, and above all else, is frustrated/upset at his lack of playing time and limited contributions to the team. His energy and hunger will help him over the years. I say hunger both literally and figuratively (dude needs to put on 20-30 lbs).
After the segment, Buzz came out and said that Juan has had a very challenging year @ MU (suspension, injuries leading to eight missed practice, etc). But what Buzz also said, was that Juan is going to grow into a great player at Marquette.
Frustrated at his lack of progress, yes. But, far from concerned.
Quote from: strotty on February 01, 2012, 12:07:22 PM
Jimmy Butler was at a junior college his freshman year. Juan is fine.
+1. One of the things they noted on the broadcast last night was how players develop at Marquette. Jimmy, Lazar, Wes as prime examples. Hell, even Dwight Buycks was in junior college and now he's in the D-League. Jae and DJO were both JUCOs and both are going to be paid playing basketball next year either in the NBA or elsewhere.
Juan's a kid, and he's learning. The best thing about freshmen is they become sophomores.
Quote from: Wade for President on February 01, 2012, 12:29:20 PM
I don't know if you guys saw the Inside Marquette Basketball episode two weeks ago, where Juan was Homer's special guest. Did you know that Juan didn't start playing competitive/organized basketball until his freshman year (was a soccer player)?!? I find it fascinating (and as a former athlete, maddening as hell) that guys can pick up a scholarship in a sport that isn't their initial love/focus. But I digress.
First of all, I love what Juan is about (I've been listening to Buzz too much). He has the right attitude, is 110% committed, and above all else, is frustrated/upset at his lack of playing time and limited contributions to the team. His energy and hunger will help him over the years.
After the segment, Buzz came out and said that Juan has had a very challenging year @ MU (suspension, injuries leading to eight missed practice, etc). But what Buzz also said, was that Juan is going to grow into a great player at Marquette.
Frustrated at his lack of progress, yes. But, far from concerned.
Agree - I saw that and came away from it thinking that he was a perfect fit for the program. He also looked unbelievably skinny in that segment. Compare him to our other switchables Jae, Jamil, and even Jamail, and he looks like a toothpick. A full off-season with Todd Smith, another full Big East season with minutes in the 8-20 range, then another off-season with Todd Smith and I think he'll be a star at MU.
Quote from: Buzz Williams' Spillproof Chiclets Cup on February 01, 2012, 12:34:13 PM
+1. One of the things they noted on the broadcast last night was how players develop at Marquette. Jimmy, Lazar, Wes as prime examples. Hell, even Dwight Buycks was in junior college and now he's in the D-League. Jae and DJO were both JUCOs and both are going to be paid playing basketball next year either in the NBA or elsewhere.
Juan's a kid, and he's learning. The best thing about freshmen is they become sophomores.
I wonder how Lazar's first year compares, seeing how he too had to wait a bit.
Quote from: Wade for President on February 01, 2012, 12:32:29 PM
I don't know if you guys saw the Inside Marquette Basketball episode two weeks ago
Is this available on-line?
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on February 01, 2012, 12:06:56 PM
What are you complaining about? We're the hottest team in (and could possibly win) the Big East and you're talking about next year?
Oh that's right....I'm supposed to check with PRN before posting about topics. I forgot that he doesn't seem to have the ability to skip a topic he doesn't want to read.
Quote from: beercanindasky on February 01, 2012, 12:55:08 PM
I wonder how Lazar's first year compares, seeing how he too had to wait a bit.
If you really want to know, not very well.
Lazar was 6.6/3.6 in 16 mpg his freshman year.
I think Juan is going to be just fine. Maturity, experience, weight training and some playing time will help.
He had a rough go at it last night, but let's see how he does at ND.
As previously discussed in other threads, Jamail Jones has now been at MU two years and has really done nothing with the above.
Quote from: T-Bone on February 01, 2012, 12:58:14 PM
Is this available on-line?
http://www.gomarquette.com/allaccess/?media=294462
Juan interview just after the 12 minute mark
Yeah, but Hayward was at a disadvantage freshman year tryin' to play for Crean.
I want him to just leap up and compete for minutes, but as has been said he's 18. I'm not worried.
I think a kid with Juan's profile will grow in spurts rather than with the steady progression of a guy like Lazar or JFB. Juan can jump through the roof and has more pure athleticism than most. Also with his energy and attitude, sometimes on the court it looks like he wants almost too much to do the right thing/contribute. I don't think there will be a steady improvement in Juan's play as much as you'll be able to see the light bulb switch on and he'll just get it. Once that happens, I think there will be a lot of "wow" plays with Juan.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on February 01, 2012, 01:08:48 PM
Yeah, but Hayward was at a disadvantage freshman year tryin' to play for Crean.
My guess if Anderson's numbers would be close to 6 and 4 if he played 16 minutes a night. Maybe not as efficient or pretty, but the point is that Anderson seems to progressing fine for a freshman getting inconsistent minutes. I'm not worried at all.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on February 01, 2012, 01:01:00 PM
If you really want to know, not very well.
Lazar was 6.6/3.6 in 16 mpg his freshman year.
I know you didn't start the discussion, but I'm not sure it's a good comparison anyway. Wasn't Lazar relatively "old" for a freshman, and already had a year of Prep school?
Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 01, 2012, 01:46:14 PM
I know you didn't start the discussion, but I'm not sure it's a good comparison anyway. Wasn't Lazar relatively "old" for a freshman, and already had a year of Prep school?
Yes, just like Mayo has the age advantage coming from the same prep school.
Those 3 games he missed were huge for him this year. That would have gotten his feet wet and his leash would have been longer than in BE play. Sure he was able to practice but game experience cannot be duplicated. Not to mention the confidence he would have gained from getting 15-20 minutes against Mount St Mary's or Norfolk game 1.
Quote from: reinko on February 01, 2012, 12:05:10 PM
I am much more concerned about Jamail, but getting back to Juan. Think you are spot on, his feet seem to be pretty good, and obviously has athleticism. Currently reminds me of a young Joe Fulce type where he grab rebounds, hopefully hit the occasional open 16 footer. Thing to remember Juan is 18, a full year younger than anyone on the team, and he missed 3 games, so at this point, I can let it slide.
I am more concerned with Junior. WTF was that last night? Bad, bad decisions with the ball. Juan to me has the deer in the headlights look similar to E Will. He wants to do what is right, but doesn't quite have a feel for it yet. We could certainly use a Fulce like performance from him sometime this season. ~ 2 pts. 5 boards would do just fine.
Not concerned about him at all. he is a Freshman that missed huge ly importnat parts of his Fresman year.
Currently he is over his head and playing with no confidence and after a spring time and summer and fall of individual workouts and weigh lifting I expect a huge step forward in his contributions.
remebers Al's saying on Freshman....
Jamail is another story....
Seems Buzz is going to give 5-10 minutes a game to either Juan or Jamial to sub Jamil if he can afford too. The way they both played last night a dead tired Jamil is 1000X better.
My feelings on Juan are stated above.
Jamail has looked terrible....simply terrible....even worse than JUan...
His defense last night was so horribly abyssmal that Buzz had to take him out immediately, but not before the 4 other guys on the team made mincemeat out of the SHU zone to deliver Jamial a wide open bounce pass on the block, unguarded and he fumbled it out of bounds. Simply terrible. I want all these kids to acheive great success but have to seriously wonder if Jamial is not seriously over his head. Seems to have the athleticism but not sure he has the mentality to play at this level.
Now we have nothing be3tter to do than to complain about how a freshman has not met OUR sacred and very self important expectations? Please.
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on February 01, 2012, 02:05:07 PM
Jamail is another story....
Seems Buzz is going to give 5-10 minutes a game to either Juan or Jamial to sub Jamil if he can afford too. The way they both played last night a dead tired Jamil is 1000X better.
My feelings on Juan are stated above.
Jamail has looked terrible....simply terrible....even worse than JUan...
His defense last night was so horribly abyssmal that Buzz had to take him out immediately, but not before the 4 other guys on the team made mincemeat out of the SHU zone to deliver Jamial a wide open bounce pass on the block, unguarded and he fumbled it out of bounds. Simply terrible. I want all these kids to acheive great success but have to seriously wonder if Jamial is not seriously over his head. Seems to have the athleticism but not sure he has the mentality to play at this level.
+1000 patience with Juan, don't know what to do about JJ...
Quote from: We R Final Four on February 01, 2012, 02:01:30 PM
I am more concerned with Junior. WTF was that last night? Bad, bad decisions with the ball. Juan to me has the deer in the headlights look similar to E Will. He wants to do what is right, but doesn't quite have a feel for it yet. We could certainly use a Fulce like performance from him sometime this season. ~ 2 pts. 5 boards would do just fine.
correct Junior and VAnder were brutally terrible last night in the first half...almost solely the cuase for our terrible half.
Thankfully they were both very good in the second and a huge cause for how well we played.
Junior has been mind numbingly inconsistant, and when he is bad we are terrible. Unfortunately he has been terrible for big portions of our last two games. Fortunately he had good stretches and we were able to overcome it.
No way tho that we beat the top teams with bad Junior out there. Need needs to become much more consistant if this team is to acheive anything of significance.
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on February 01, 2012, 02:05:07 PM
Jamail is another story....
Seems Buzz is going to give 5-10 minutes a game to either Juan or Jamial to sub Jamil if he can afford too. The way they both played last night a dead tired Jamil is 1000X better.
My feelings on Juan are stated above.
Jamail has looked terrible....simply terrible....even worse than JUan...
His defense last night was so horribly abyssmal that Buzz had to take him out immediately, but not before the 4 other guys on the team made mincemeat out of the SHU zone to deliver Jamial a wide open bounce pass on the block, unguarded and he fumbled it out of bounds. Simply terrible. I want all these kids to acheive great success but have to seriously wonder if Jamial is not seriously over his head. Seems to have the athleticism but not sure he has the mentality to play at this level.
Jones played a whopping 2 minutes last night. I can provide 2 minutes of horrible play from Cadougan, DJO, Crowder, Mayo, Blue and J Wilson last night too. The difference is, as always, those guys stay on the court for the game and have good moments that make up for their bonehead plays.
Buzz tends to only play 7 guys, sometimes 8 in BE play. That rotation will most likely be DJO, Crowder, Blue, Cadougan, Mayo, J Wilson and D Wilson now that both DG and CO are out. Jones and Anderson will get 2-5 minutes a game, probably with no more than a minute or two at a time. That lack of consistent playing time does not help them develop.
Someone mentioned that he just started playing basketball his freshman year.
Additionally, I believe he was a guard until his junior year when he hit a huge growth spurt to make him a 3.
Now he actually has to play at the 4 with CO out let alone with DG out as well.
That is a lot of learning for a freshman at a high major D-1. I've seen enough to think he will be good as a junior and great as a senior so I saw patience my young padawan.
Sorry Norm you are dead wrong....
and while Juan and JAmail were only terrible for 2 minutes that accounted for 100% of time they were out there and that has been true for the last number of weeks.
They other guys at least do good things some of the time... in most cases far more good than bad.
bench players need to earn opportunitiess, they are not given and they are earned in practice.
Opportunities earned in practice are then taken advantage of or blown in games. For example, this year Mayo earned opportunities to play and through his play forced the coach to play him more. so did JWilson. Devante did the same thinglast year.
Juan and Jamail have earned what they are getting in practice or through injuries but when they have been given the opportunity to play have convinced the coaching staff of why they should not be in there.
people that say players need playing time to prove them selves is probably the stupidest statement in all of sports.
You honestly beleive afew more minutes of game time will allow a bench player to show a coach something different than what he sees 20 hours a week in practice?
DUMB!!
What they have actually done is in a few minutes a game proven why that if they get any more than that we will lose the game.
Completely understandable and expected from Juan, Todd and Derrick have been pleasant surprises.
Jamail is nearing the end of his sophomore season.....some times the dog just doesnt hunt?
Quote from: Norm on February 01, 2012, 02:15:40 PM
Jones played a whopping 2 minutes last night. I can provide 2 minutes of horrible play from Cadougan, DJO, Crowder, Mayo, Blue and J Wilson last night too. The difference is, as always, those guys stay on the court for the game and have good moments that make up for their bonehead plays.
Buzz tends to only play 7 guys, sometimes 8 in BE play. That rotation will most likely be DJO, Crowder, Blue, Cadougan, Mayo, J Wilson and D Wilson now that both DG and CO are out. Jones and Anderson will get 2-5 minutes a game, probably with no more than a minute or two at a time. That lack of consistent playing time does not help them develop.
Again, you don't earn playing time during games. You earn it in practice. No offense, but if Jones played 20 minutes last night, I doubt we get anything more than what we got in the two he did play.
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on February 01, 2012, 02:26:17 PM
Juan and Jamail have earned what they are getting in practice or through injuries but when they have been given the opportunity to play have convinced the coaching staff of why they should not be in there.
people that say players need playing time to prove them selves is probably the stupidest statement in all of sports.
You honestly beleive afew more minutes of game time will allow a bench player to show a coach something different than what he sees 20 hours a week in practice?
DUMB!!
Is it just me, or is this remarkably inconsistent? Especially "you honestly believe a few more minutes of game time will allow a bench player to show a coach something different than what he sees 20 hours a week in practice"
You just noted above that Juan and Jamail evidently are performing well enough in practice to earn the in-game playing time. So actually when they come into games and don't perform, that would be something different than what they've been showing in practice, yes?
According to your logic, Juan and Jamil show they can't handle the PT either at practice or in the game. But you also acknowledge the fact that they must have been earning the PT with their practice performance. So really if they don't step up in games, that has nothing to do with, or at least is inconsistent with what they are doing in the games.
I think JA will be a good player in the future. Hes still trying to find where he fits, and being a frosh so far from his roots has to be a big adjustment. I would be trying to get a guy with his skills at least 5 minutes of play every game.Buzz has said he goes hard. I was real happy MU signed him, I think hes just trying to hard
Quote from: frozena pizza on February 01, 2012, 12:03:50 PM
More like we are going to need them on Saturday.
You can need them all you want. The skill set is just not there yet. Jones does not have high major ability. its his second year and he plays a minute. Enough said.
Juan is a freshman. I hope he gets better, but hope is not a strategy. He gets in, turns the ball over and out he goes. Everyone is hoping he can play, but it has yet to show up on the court. He gets the benfit of the doubt as a first year player.
Quote from: jsglow on February 01, 2012, 12:06:31 PM
We may get a chance to see over the next few games. His minutes last night were very limited. What I'd like to see is a solid court presence for 8-10 minutes a game giving Wilson a rest. He looked a tad nervous and out of control last night possibly because of the burden he now carries. Let's see how Saturday and Monday work out as he relaxes just a bit.
If he can relax on Saturday, he must be comatose. ND, a big rival, on the road, where they recently beat Syracuse.
Juan has nice tools. He is just a young freshman who has only played limited minutes. We need more, but it is not real likely he is going to have a breakout game down the stretch. Hope I'm wrong. JJones... this is it. You've chafed waiting for playing time. This is your big chance. Cowboy up or you are going to miss it.
Quote from: MUBurrow on February 01, 2012, 02:38:44 PM
You just noted above that Juan and Jamail evidently are performing well enough in practice to earn the in-game playing time. So actually when they come into games and don't perform, that would be something different than what they've been showing in practice, yes?
According to your logic, Juan and Jamil show they can't handle the PT either at practice or in the game. But you also acknowledge the fact that they must have been earning the PT with their practice performance. So really if they don't step up in games, that has nothing to do with, or at least is inconsistent with what they are doing in the games.
But, Juan and Jamail are only playing because of the injuries to Otule and Gardner. If those two guys were healthy, neither Juan or Jamail would see the floor. They are playing right now only due to necessity.
Unfortunately, I have feeling that both Juan and Jamail struggle in practice as well. That's one the reasons why their minutes are so limited, even with the shorten rotation.
Complaining about a freshman? Really?
If this was a top 25 frosh who has a lot of playing time, then sure.
But not a freshman.
Seeing random minutes.
In one of the toughest, most physical leagues.
Be concerned with his play this time next season.
IMO, he's going to be a solid 4 year player with a breakout junior year and a solid senior campaign.
Quote from: Norm on February 01, 2012, 02:15:40 PM
Jones played a whopping 2 minutes last night. I can provide 2 minutes of horrible play from Cadougan, DJO, Crowder, Mayo, Blue and J Wilson last night too. The difference is, as always, those guys stay on the court for the game and have good moments that make up for their bonehead plays.
Buzz tends to only play 7 guys, sometimes 8 in BE play. That rotation will most likely be DJO, Crowder, Blue, Cadougan, Mayo, J Wilson and D Wilson now that both DG and CO are out. Jones and Anderson will get 2-5 minutes a game, probably with no more than a minute or two at a time. That lack of consistent playing time does not help them develop.
Sorry Norm, but players earn a longer leash, and Jamail simply hasn't. Try an analogy from another sport - DJO has earned the right to be a starting pitcher. If he starts slowly, maybe gives up a two run homer in the first inning you still stick with him. Jamail barely made the staff. His job right now is to go in and get one guy out. If he can do that consistently, his role increases. If not, you find someone else to do his job.
Sorry to have offended you Canadian Dimes.
My point is not that Jones or Anderson should be starting over any of the starters, and I'm not discounting earning playing time in practice. I was simply responding to people ripping on Jones for being terrible and pointing out that if you took a 2 minute snippet from Cadougan, DJO and others, they could look terrible too. When you barely get any playing time, your confidence gets sapped and you tend to press when you are in, knowing that if you make a mistake you are going to come out.
Quote from: 79Warrior on February 01, 2012, 02:45:26 PM
You can need them all you want. The skill set is just not there yet. Jones does not have high major ability. its his second year and he plays a minute. Enough said.
Juan is a freshman. I hope he gets better, but hope is not a strategy. He gets in, turns the ball over and out he goes. Everyone is hoping he can play, but it has yet to show up on the court. He gets the benfit of the doubt as a first year player.
So he's Rob Frozena? Really?
Quote from: strotty on February 01, 2012, 12:07:22 PM
Jimmy Butler was at a junior college his freshman year. Juan is fine.
Butler was not a highly regarded recruit like Juan...
Quote from: Rockmic87 on February 01, 2012, 03:06:13 PM
Butler was not a highly regarded recruit like Juan...
And now he's an NBA player.
/now we both made equally pointless statements
Geez, it is way too early for anything. Some expert can elaborate but I have seen on here about the learning curve from Frosh to Soph. Let him grow into it. He has been thrust into playing time that he might not be ready for.
Quote from: reinko on February 01, 2012, 12:05:10 PM
I am much more concerned about Jamail, but getting back to Juan. Think you are spot on, his feet seem to be pretty good, and obviously has athleticism. Currently reminds me of a young Joe Fulce type where he grab rebounds, hopefully hit the occasional open 16 footer. Thing to remember Juan is 18, a full year younger than anyone on the team, and he missed 3 games, so at this point, I can let it slide.
I agree that Jamail is the one to worry about. Juan hasn't gotten very many opportunities yet and I do agree that he's probably on a very short leash, but I was a little disappointed with Jamail against Seton Hall.
Quote from: Rockmic87 on February 01, 2012, 03:06:13 PM
Butler was not a highly regarded recruit like Juan...
Out of HS, no. But he sure was one after one year of JUCO.
Quote from: ATWizJr on February 01, 2012, 02:07:06 PM
Now we have nothing be3tter to do than to complain about how a freshman has not met OUR sacred and very self important expectations? Please.
Well, it's a bit better than the complaints about a signed recruit that no one has ever seen play, but has not met their "sacred and very self important expectations"!
Quote from: Norm on February 01, 2012, 02:56:59 PM
Sorry to have offended you Canadian Dimes.
My point is not that Jones or Anderson should be starting over any of the starters, and I'm not discounting earning playing time in practice. I was simply responding to people ripping on Jones for being terrible and pointing out that if you took a 2 minute snippet from Cadougan, DJO and others, they could look terrible too. When you barely get any playing time, your confidence gets sapped and you tend to press when you are in, knowing that if you make a mistake you are going to come out.
norm u are dead on right...in everything u say.
but this is a world of absolutes and not for the meek.
If Buzz plays them more and we lose he gets fired. Maybe he he would be being a good citizen and giving good kids a long leash to make mistakes and feel "better" about themselves but his bosses wont take the same approach with him.
Yes you are correct about the psyche of a young bench player that is struggling. but thats the reality. A bench player is going to get a few minutes to get a rebound, take a charge, hit a shot, etc. If he consistantly does that when he goes in he might get a minute longer or maybe two stints a game and build from there.
If he consistantly goes in there and is so petrified to make a mistake and there fore makes mistakes he will come right back out and not get another chance til maybe the next game. This is how non starters establish the pecking order. It is a brutal way to establish it and it is prolly 99.9% mental. These guys can all play. Jamail really can catch!! Some guys thrive on those 2 minutes and others wilt. Again a tuf tuff way to do it but what other way is there?
Juan and JAmial did nothing last night except hurt the team.
again i fully expect that from a freshman....jamail at this point concerns me.
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on February 01, 2012, 03:25:10 PM
again i fully expect that from a freshman....jamail at this point concerns me.
As players' minutes increase with Buzz, their production seems to increase as well. Look at Cubby and Acker their junior years. They picked up DNP's, looked timid, and often shot terribly in their limited time. They would come in, get burnt on D, brick a three, then get pulled back out for the better senior (James, McNeal or Matthews). Then senior year they played 30+ mpg and shot terrifically from deep. I will never, ever write off a guy under Buzz until he leaves or graduates, especially not after 2/3 or 1 & 2/3 of a season, and especially not guys with length and athleticism you can't teach like Juan and Jamail.
Quote from: ATWizJr on February 01, 2012, 02:07:06 PM
Now we have nothing be3tter to do than to complain about how a freshman has not met OUR sacred and very self important expectations? Please.
Then don't read the f*cking thread. Honestly, one of the most annoying things on any message board are the morons that say "why are we talking about this?"
Because it's a damn message board and I want to talking about it. Happy?
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on February 01, 2012, 04:27:38 PM
Then don't read the f*cking thread. Honestly, one of the most annoying things on any message board are the morons that say "why are we talking about this?"
Because it's a damn message board and I want to talking about it. Happy?
. Happy? Plenty. But not you, eh chief. We are 19-4 , second in the BE, so you take this as your cue to Voice your dissatisfaction with a freshman's play. You're frustrated by his lack of development? Juan concerns you? Who the he** are you? Get over yourself.
Quote from: ATWizJr on February 01, 2012, 05:32:54 PM
. Happy? Plenty. But not you, eh chief. We are 19-4 , second in the BE, so you take this as your cue to Voice your dissatisfaction with a freshman's play. You're frustrated by his lack of development? Juan concerns you? Who the he** are you? Get over yourself.
I think I'm a poster on a message board who is making an on-topic post. And I am plenty happy over MU's season, but I'm frustrated by Juan's progress. Again, if you don't like the topic, move on. No one is forcing you to read it.
You're both right, and you're both wrong. Chill, enjoy the second place, the overall record (Who'd thunk it, anyhow?). Can't we all just get along?
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on February 01, 2012, 04:27:38 PM
Then don't read the f*cking thread. Honestly, one of the most annoying things on any message board are the morons that say "why are we talking about this?"
Because it's a damn message board and I want to talking about it. Happy?
Agree with your sentiment Sultan. If you want to talk about a topic regarding MU Hoops, this is the place.
I do wonder why we spend so much thread length b*tch*ng about underclassmen. Expectation for them should be minimal. If they contribute, great. Most of them are still trying to figure out how they fit on the team. Save the high expectations for upperclassmen. Remember what is the best thing about freshman?
That being said, if you want to complain about freshman, this would be the place.
Quote from: ringout on February 01, 2012, 06:54:29 PM
Agree with your sentiment Sultan. If you want to talk about a topic regarding MU Hoops, this is the place.
I do wonder why we spend so much thread length b*tch*ng about underclassmen. Expectation for them should be minimal. If they contribute, great. Most of them are still trying to figure out how they fit on the team. Save the high expectations for upperclassmen. Remember what is the best thing about freshman?
Agree wholeheartedly. I said the same in the thread about Jamail. Underclassmen, unless they are stars, should barely see the floor on a team that's got a well-constructed roster. I don't read much into how they perform in their 1-2 minute in-game stints...how could you?
Ultimately, if they and the staff feel they are progressing towards contributing in a meaningful way as Juniors and Seniors then I hope they stay. If they don't, then I hope they can find a place where they can flourish.
Quote from: LancesOtherNut on February 01, 2012, 03:05:04 PM
So he's Rob Frozena? Really?
So far their minutes are about the same so you tell me?
I don't have much worry at all on Juan. Plenty of highly ranked recruits don't make a big impact until their second year. I think for Jamail a lot is mental on the court. He clearly has the tools to be a solid player. Good size, great athleticism and a good shooting touch (or so we thought).
What he really needs to do is work extremely hard on defense and obviously he is not doing enough in practice. Hopefully with the departure of DJO next year Jamail can gain some confidence and fill in more.
51. Jakarr Sampson, St. John's: Hasn't played.
52. Tyrone Johnson, Villanova: 2.7 points, 1.7 assists, 13.7 minutes
53. Shannon Scott, Ohio State: 1.7 points, 2.0 assists, 11.4 minutes
54. Deuce Bello, Baylor: 4.1 points, 2.4 rebounds, 11.1 minutes
55. Michael Chandler, UCF: Hasn't played
56. Aaron Thomas, Florida State: Hasn't played.
57. Julian Lewis, Texas: 8.2 points, 3.8 rebounds, 25.1 minutes
58. Tracy Adams, Illinois: 2.8 points, 2.5 rebounds, 19.2 minutes
59. Mike Shaw, Illinois: 1.1 points, 2.3 rebounds, 8.3 minutes
60. Sheldon McClellan, Texas: 10.6 points, 3.2 rebounds, 25.7 minutes
61. Juan Anderson, Marquette: 0.7 points, 1.0 rebounds, 4.9 minutes
62. Tyler Adams, Georgetown: 2.5 points, 2.3 rebounds, 6.0 minutes
63. Dai-Jon Parker, Vanderbilt: 1.9 points, 1.1 rebounds, 11.6 minutes
64. D.J. Gardner, Mississippi St.: Hasn't played.
65. Jamal Branch, Texas A&M: 4.2 points, 2.5 assists, 18.6 minutes
66. Willy Kouassi, Auburn: 1.6 points, 2.6 rebounds, 10.7 minutes
67. Zach Price, Louisville: 1.3 points, 1.5 rebounds, 5.9 minutes
68. Amir Garrett, St. John's: 5.3 points, 5.3 rebounds, 21.8 minutes
69. Normal Powell, UCLA: 5.6 points, 2.4 rebounds, 17.6 minutes
70. Kevin Ware, Louisville: 1.1 points, 0.7 rebounds, 5.9 minutes
71. Cezar Guerrero, Oklahoma St.: 5.9 points, 1.7 rebounds, 17.8 minutes
Take these FACTS for what you will, but of the 10 recruits ranked ahead of him and the 10 behind him, Anderson is averaging the least amount of points, rebounds and minutes. Ware has less rebounds but has played just 12 games due to injury. Say what you will, but those are the numbers.
Quote from: strotty on February 01, 2012, 09:36:15 PM
51. Jakarr Sampson, St. John's: Hasn't played.
52. Tyrone Johnson, Villanova: 2.7 points, 1.7 assists, 13.7 minutes
53. Shannon Scott, Ohio State: 1.7 points, 2.0 assists, 11.4 minutes
54. Deuce Bello, Baylor: 4.1 points, 2.4 rebounds, 11.1 minutes
55. Michael Chandler, UCF: Hasn't played
56. Aaron Thomas, Florida State: Hasn't played.
57. Julian Lewis, Texas: 8.2 points, 3.8 rebounds, 25.1 minutes
58. Tracy Adams, Illinois: 2.8 points, 2.5 rebounds, 19.2 minutes
59. Mike Shaw, Illinois: 1.1 points, 2.3 rebounds, 8.3 minutes
60. Sheldon McClellan, Texas: 10.6 points, 3.2 rebounds, 25.7 minutes
61. Juan Anderson, Marquette: 0.7 points, 1.0 rebounds, 4.9 minutes
62. Tyler Adams, Georgetown: 2.5 points, 2.3 rebounds, 6.0 minutes
63. Dai-Jon Parker, Vanderbilt: 1.9 points, 1.1 rebounds, 11.6 minutes
64. D.J. Gardner, Mississippi St.: Hasn't played.
65. Jamal Branch, Texas A&M: 4.2 points, 2.5 assists, 18.6 minutes
66. Willy Kouassi, Auburn: 1.6 points, 2.6 rebounds, 10.7 minutes
67. Zach Price, Louisville: 1.3 points, 1.5 rebounds, 5.9 minutes
68. Amir Garrett, St. John's: 5.3 points, 5.3 rebounds, 21.8 minutes
69. Normal Powell, UCLA: 5.6 points, 2.4 rebounds, 17.6 minutes
70. Kevin Ware, Louisville: 1.1 points, 0.7 rebounds, 5.9 minutes
71. Cezar Guerrero, Oklahoma St.: 5.9 points, 1.7 rebounds, 17.8 minutes
Take these FACTS for what you will, but of the 10 recruits ranked ahead of him and the 10 behind him, Anderson is averaging the least amount of points, rebounds and minutes. Ware has less rebounds but has played just 12 games due to injury. Say what you will, but those are the numbers.
I'm not sure what you're arguing for, but there are only a few stat lines in that list that look impressive for a first year player. I'll be interested to see the same 20 players and their stats at this point next year.
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on February 01, 2012, 02:54:13 PM
Complaining about a freshman? Really?
If this was a top 25 frosh who has a lot of playing time, then sure.
But not a freshman.
Seeing random minutes.
In one of the toughest, most physical leagues.
Be concerned with his play this time next season.
IMO, he's going to be a solid 4 year player with a breakout junior year and a solid senior campaign.
This is basically it.
I will always say this. To EXPECT a freshmen to contribute more than just spot minutes is expecting too much.
I am sure many here have thrown in the towel, but I think Jones will be productive next year.
I'm not arguing either way. Yes, he hasn't played as much as other recruits around him but there are about three players who have been difference makers in their freshmen years. As I've said earlier, Juan is absolutely fine.
Oakland Represent. Dont worry about Juan.
Huge fan of Juan. I think he's going to be at worst 6th man next year. He looks a little lost on the court right now, but the kid has only been playing organized basketball for 4 years. Give him some time.
I've heard that he didn't lift a single weight until he arrived on campus. A solid off-season in the weight room alone will do wonders. He is the youngest guy and sounds like a late bloomer as well.....and he looks like he is 12! He's going to physically and mentally mature a ton over his 4 years. I'm still optimistic about his ceiling. He has some unique skills for a forward.
Quote from: strotty on February 01, 2012, 09:36:15 PM
51. Jakarr Sampson, St. John's: Hasn't played.
52. Tyrone Johnson, Villanova: 2.7 points, 1.7 assists, 13.7 minutes
53. Shannon Scott, Ohio State: 1.7 points, 2.0 assists, 11.4 minutes
54. Deuce Bello, Baylor: 4.1 points, 2.4 rebounds, 11.1 minutes
55. Michael Chandler, UCF: Hasn't played
56. Aaron Thomas, Florida State: Hasn't played.
57. Julian Lewis, Texas: 8.2 points, 3.8 rebounds, 25.1 minutes
58. Tracy Adams, Illinois: 2.8 points, 2.5 rebounds, 19.2 minutes
59. Mike Shaw, Illinois: 1.1 points, 2.3 rebounds, 8.3 minutes
60. Sheldon McClellan, Texas: 10.6 points, 3.2 rebounds, 25.7 minutes
61. Juan Anderson, Marquette: 0.7 points, 1.0 rebounds, 4.9 minutes
62. Tyler Adams, Georgetown: 2.5 points, 2.3 rebounds, 6.0 minutes
63. Dai-Jon Parker, Vanderbilt: 1.9 points, 1.1 rebounds, 11.6 minutes
64. D.J. Gardner, Mississippi St.: Hasn't played.
65. Jamal Branch, Texas A&M: 4.2 points, 2.5 assists, 18.6 minutes
66. Willy Kouassi, Auburn: 1.6 points, 2.6 rebounds, 10.7 minutes
67. Zach Price, Louisville: 1.3 points, 1.5 rebounds, 5.9 minutes
68. Amir Garrett, St. John's: 5.3 points, 5.3 rebounds, 21.8 minutes
69. Normal Powell, UCLA: 5.6 points, 2.4 rebounds, 17.6 minutes
70. Kevin Ware, Louisville: 1.1 points, 0.7 rebounds, 5.9 minutes
71. Cezar Guerrero, Oklahoma St.: 5.9 points, 1.7 rebounds, 17.8 minutes
Take these FACTS for what you will, but of the 10 recruits ranked ahead of him and the 10 behind him, Anderson is averaging the least amount of points, rebounds and minutes. Ware has less rebounds but has played just 12 games due to injury. Say what you will, but those are the numbers.
You should note that most of these teams aren't having the same successes that we are. We have better players, making less time for the n00bs to get in and pwn.
Quote from: ErickJD08 on February 01, 2012, 09:52:49 PM
This is basically it.
I will always say this. To EXPECT a freshmen to contribute more than just spot minutes is expecting too much.
I am sure many here have thrown in the towel, but I think Jones will be productive next year.
I agree with this. Yet you're willing to say "Vander Blue sucks at basketball" any chance you get? Wow, twisted logic there.
Quote from: strotty on February 01, 2012, 09:36:15 PM
51. Jakarr Sampson, St. John's: Hasn't played.
52. Tyrone Johnson, Villanova: 2.7 points, 1.7 assists, 13.7 minutes
53. Shannon Scott, Ohio State: 1.7 points, 2.0 assists, 11.4 minutes
54. Deuce Bello, Baylor: 4.1 points, 2.4 rebounds, 11.1 minutes
55. Michael Chandler, UCF: Hasn't played
56. Aaron Thomas, Florida State: Hasn't played.
57. Julian Lewis, Texas: 8.2 points, 3.8 rebounds, 25.1 minutes
58. Tracy Adams, Illinois: 2.8 points, 2.5 rebounds, 19.2 minutes
59. Mike Shaw, Illinois: 1.1 points, 2.3 rebounds, 8.3 minutes
60. Sheldon McClellan, Texas: 10.6 points, 3.2 rebounds, 25.7 minutes
61. Juan Anderson, Marquette: 0.7 points, 1.0 rebounds, 4.9 minutes
62. Tyler Adams, Georgetown: 2.5 points, 2.3 rebounds, 6.0 minutes
63. Dai-Jon Parker, Vanderbilt: 1.9 points, 1.1 rebounds, 11.6 minutes
64. D.J. Gardner, Mississippi St.: Hasn't played.
65. Jamal Branch, Texas A&M: 4.2 points, 2.5 assists, 18.6 minutes
66. Willy Kouassi, Auburn: 1.6 points, 2.6 rebounds, 10.7 minutes
67. Zach Price, Louisville: 1.3 points, 1.5 rebounds, 5.9 minutes
68. Amir Garrett, St. John's: 5.3 points, 5.3 rebounds, 21.8 minutes
69. Normal Powell, UCLA: 5.6 points, 2.4 rebounds, 17.6 minutes
70. Kevin Ware, Louisville: 1.1 points, 0.7 rebounds, 5.9 minutes
71. Cezar Guerrero, Oklahoma St.: 5.9 points, 1.7 rebounds, 17.8 minutes
Take these FACTS for what you will, but of the 10 recruits ranked ahead of him and the 10 behind him, Anderson is averaging the least amount of points, rebounds and minutes. Ware has less rebounds but has played just 12 games due to injury. Say what you will, but those are the numbers.
Actually, this is quite helpful. This tells me that I should be more patient. I appreciate you coming up with a fact-based response instead of a emotional one.
Quote from: Jamailman on February 02, 2012, 07:06:00 AM
I agreethe with this. Yet you're willing to say "Vander Blue sucks at basketball" any chance you get? Wow, twisted logic there.
Yeah he did this a couple weeks ago too. Somehow the guy who's playing sucks, but the guy whos riding the bench could be a contributor. No logic.
Quote from: 79Warrior on February 01, 2012, 07:40:17 PM
So far their minutes are about the same so you tell me?
I'm not going to go back and look to see what kind of run Frozena was getting as a sophomore, but I guarantee Jamail has seen more meaningful minutes.
But if you want to make the conclusion that Jamail Jones = Frozena, we will have to agree to disagree.
From what we've seen of Juan so far this year I am really excited for him. I like his energy and playing style. Might not ever be the star, or even a starter, but I think he can be a really good player for MU.
I am, like many others, withholding judgement regarding whether or not Juan can successfully play on this level.
The coaches are rotating (before Gardner's injury) five guards, Blue, DJO, Mayo, Wilson and Cadougan, and three forwards, Wilson, Crowder, and Gardner. With (for Buzz) such a deep rotation, the need for another player (especially a freshman) on the court may not be necessary.
I have high hopes for Juan and hopes he does earn his way on the court.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on February 02, 2012, 08:45:26 AM
Actually, this is quite helpful. This tells me that I should be more patient. I appreciate you coming up with a fact-based response instead of a emotional one.
Yeah, it's always better to have the facts when starting a thread instead of simply having "frustration".
Personally, I love Juan's game. I am extremely excited for his future and I think he will end up being our second best player from his class... and that is only because Todd Mayo has had such a great freshman year.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on February 02, 2012, 09:33:31 AM
Personally, I love Juan's game. I am extremely excited for his future and I think he will end up being our second best player from his class... and that is only because Todd Mayo has had such a great freshman year.
I don't have much of an opinion either way since Juan started so late but what do you love of his game?
He hasn't seen much time in January which just so happens to coincide with the most important games on our schedule and during that limited time just about all I've seen is his hustle.
In the end, the hard evidence is so inconclusive.
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on February 02, 2012, 09:45:29 AM
I don't have much of an opinion either way since Juan started so late but what do you love of his game?
He hasn't seen much time in January which just so happens to coincide with the most important games on our schedule and during that limited time just about all I've seen is his hustle.
In the end, the hard evidence is so inconclusive.
He hustles, and finds ways to get to the ball. I know the game hasn't slowed down for him yet, but I just like that he works his tail off when he gets in.
Does he have any offensive game, so far all I have seen is a few lay-ups? Secondly, the 2 free throws he had last game were not even
close. He has a long ways to go. He is playing slightly out of position, should back-up Vander but Mayo comes in for him as Buzz does
not like to sit DJO for just a few minutes a game.
Quote from: strotty on February 01, 2012, 09:36:15 PM
51. Jakarr Sampson, St. John's: Hasn't played.
52. Tyrone Johnson, Villanova: 2.7 points, 1.7 assists, 13.7 minutes
53. Shannon Scott, Ohio State: 1.7 points, 2.0 assists, 11.4 minutes
54. Deuce Bello, Baylor: 4.1 points, 2.4 rebounds, 11.1 minutes
55. Michael Chandler, UCF: Hasn't played
56. Aaron Thomas, Florida State: Hasn't played.
57. Julian Lewis, Texas: 8.2 points, 3.8 rebounds, 25.1 minutes
58. Tracy Adams, Illinois: 2.8 points, 2.5 rebounds, 19.2 minutes
59. Mike Shaw, Illinois: 1.1 points, 2.3 rebounds, 8.3 minutes
60. Sheldon McClellan, Texas: 10.6 points, 3.2 rebounds, 25.7 minutes
61. Juan Anderson, Marquette: 0.7 points, 1.0 rebounds, 4.9 minutes
62. Tyler Adams, Georgetown: 2.5 points, 2.3 rebounds, 6.0 minutes
63. Dai-Jon Parker, Vanderbilt: 1.9 points, 1.1 rebounds, 11.6 minutes
64. D.J. Gardner, Mississippi St.: Hasn't played.
65. Jamal Branch, Texas A&M: 4.2 points, 2.5 assists, 18.6 minutes
66. Willy Kouassi, Auburn: 1.6 points, 2.6 rebounds, 10.7 minutes
67. Zach Price, Louisville: 1.3 points, 1.5 rebounds, 5.9 minutes
68. Amir Garrett, St. John's: 5.3 points, 5.3 rebounds, 21.8 minutes
69. Normal Powell, UCLA: 5.6 points, 2.4 rebounds, 17.6 minutes
70. Kevin Ware, Louisville: 1.1 points, 0.7 rebounds, 5.9 minutes
71. Cezar Guerrero, Oklahoma St.: 5.9 points, 1.7 rebounds, 17.8 minutes
Take these FACTS for what you will, but of the 10 recruits ranked ahead of him and the 10 behind him, Anderson is averaging the least amount of points, rebounds and minutes. Ware has less rebounds but has played just 12 games due to injury. Say what you will, but those are the numbers.
Hmm, hard for him to average more pts, rebounds, assists, etc., when you are averaging the LEAST AMOUNT OF MINUTES.
Also, how many of those teams are better than Marquette this year? The FACTS are, we don't need Juan to score and before DG went out we didn't need him to rebound. Now he is playing out of position against men significantly stronger and bigger than his slight frame.
Seriously, Juan's play before last game has actually been encouraging - esp for a guy who seems so much skinnier that everyone else. Give him a full year under the trainer to that needed build strength and he will become a big part of MU.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on February 02, 2012, 09:33:31 AM
Personally, I love Juan's game. I am extremely excited for his future and I think he will end up being our second best player from his class... and that is only because Todd Mayo has had such a great freshman year.
And isnt Mayo 3 yrs older too? I think we forget how lucky it is to have a player come in with a Big East ready body. We were spoiled with the Big 3 who came in and immediately looked physically ready to handle Big East guards. Juan already looks much stronger when I saw him shoot those FTs a game or so ago, and he doesn't get to play the wing where he could use his athleticism and dribbling ability more, but instead has to battle down low all game.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on February 02, 2012, 09:33:31 AM
Personally, I love Juan's game. I am extremely excited for his future and I think he will end up being our second best player from his class... and that is only because Todd Mayo has had such a great freshman year.
I still like Juan's upside a lot because of his size and physical ability. Might take him until Junior year to really be effective as he continues to fill out and round out his game.
Mayo is far closer to a finished product, and I'm guessing he is going to be very good (not great) for the next few years. Great recruiting by Buzz.
Quote from: LittleMurs on February 01, 2012, 03:13:45 PM
Out of HS, no. But he sure was one after one year of JUCO.
Honest question, was Jimmy really highly regarded after one year of JUCO? I thought the story was Buzz went to go scout Fulce, happened to have had a casual conversation with Jimmy while there and recruited him as a package deal with Fulce...but Joe was the much more highly regarded recruit. Thought Jimmy was kind of along for the ride and then it was the big surprise when he turned out to be the bigger stud of the two (which might have played out differently if not for Joe's injuries).
OP reminded me of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9obgyYB1IU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9obgyYB1IU)
:D
Quote from: 96warrior on February 02, 2012, 10:22:43 AM
Honest question, was Jimmy really highly regarded after one year of JUCO? I thought the story was Buzz went to go scout Fulce, happened to have had a casual conversation with Jimmy while there and recruited him as a package deal with Fulce...but Joe was the much more highly regarded recruit. Thought Jimmy was kind of along for the ride and then it was the big surprise when he turned out to be the bigger stud of the two (which might have played out differently if not for Joe's injuries).
Jimmy was an honorable mention juco AA his freshman year. I think about 50 guys (5 teams, 10 guys each) are AAs, so he was in the second 50 or so. I would say somewhat, but not highly, regarded.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on February 02, 2012, 10:54:01 AM
Jimmy was an honorable mention juco AA his freshman year. I think about 50 guys (5 teams, 10 guys each) are AAs, so he was in the second 50 or so. I would say somewhat, but not highly, regarded.
Pretty sure there are three JUCO AA teams, 10 guys each with 20 honorable mention. There are usually a lot of second year guys on the AA list too, so making honorable mention means he was top 50 regardless of class, probably top 15-25 in his own class. And he was the age of a high school senior then. Not too shabby. Kentucky was also in on him late, if that's any indication. Good thing Buzz got to him first. He definitely has an eye for potential.
Quote from: Aughnanure on February 02, 2012, 09:53:05 AM
Hmm, hard for him to average more pts, rebounds, assists, etc., when you are averaging the LEAST AMOUNT OF MINUTES.
Also, how many of those teams are better than Marquette this year? The FACTS are, we don't need Juan to score and before DG went out we didn't need him to rebound. Now he is playing out of position against men significantly stronger and bigger than his slight frame.
Seriously, Juan's play before last game has actually been encouraging - esp for a guy who seems so much skinnier that everyone else. Give him a full year under the trainer to that needed build strength and he will become a big part of MU.
.....I'm on Juan's side 100 percent....
Quote from: 96warrior on February 02, 2012, 10:22:43 AM
Honest question, was Jimmy really highly regarded after one year of JUCO? I thought the story was Buzz went to go scout Fulce, happened to have had a casual conversation with Jimmy while there and recruited him as a package deal with Fulce...but Joe was the much more highly regarded recruit. Thought Jimmy was kind of along for the ride and then it was the big surprise when he turned out to be the bigger stud of the two (which might have played out differently if not for Joe's injuries).
Jimmy had an offer from Kentucky (and, I believe, Iowa State), so he wasn't an unknown. The way he tells it, Joe Fulce talked him into coming to MU instead.
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/goldeneagles/107124358.html
Juan is not yet done developing. He's a peachy faced kid. Wouldn't be surprised if he grows another inch or two in the next three years. I think he is very athletic and given time he will develop into one of Marquette's great players.
Thanks, Lenny and Pakuni.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on February 02, 2012, 09:46:54 AM
He hustles, and finds ways to get to the ball. I know the game hasn't slowed down for him yet, but I just like that he works his tail off when he gets in.
I agree.
Hard not to like a kid who works hard when he gets the call. It's also hard to think the game was ever going to slow down for him with all the ups and downs of his pre-season.
An important summer coming up for the Cali Kid.
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on February 02, 2012, 09:45:29 AM
I don't have much of an opinion either way since Juan started so late but what do you love of his game?
He hasn't seen much time in January which just so happens to coincide with the most important games on our schedule and during that limited time just about all I've seen is his hustle.
In the end, the hard evidence is so inconclusive.
Juan is very athletic, a quick leaper, has a nice shot and very good ball handler. I think he is going to be a special player. He needs to fill out and the time he missed with the injuries and then suspension has hurt his development a great deal.
Quote from: strotty on February 02, 2012, 11:15:26 AM
.....I'm on Juan's side 100 percent....
Hey Strotty, not to get all ethical on you, but as a former journalism major myself, how is it that you comment on this board in favor either way, while you are supposed to be covering the team as a reporter on paint touches?
I'm not calling you out at all, but just wondering if this is a guilty pleasure or you are in the clear to do this. Maybe ask Dr. Byers for his POV and get back to us.