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Vander.

Normally I think it's super lame when people suggest co-SOTGs.  But DJO and Jae should both get this one.

Quote from: marqptm on January 28, 2012, 01:34:57 PM
Vander.

I thought about that amid my emotional high, but DJO was clearly the SOTG. Without him, Blue is not in a position to hit those free throws.

DJO

DJO/Crowder....flip a coin.

DJO's best game of the year.  Hit a ton of shots to get us back into it and had some nice assists late in the second half.

Djo. No question. Vander's free throws were clutch but djo put us on his back...

DJO.  Although Vander should get the mini-SoG for clutch free throws.

If it were Stud of the Last Minute, I'd vote Vander. Since it's Stud of the Game, I vote DJO. He had an immense all-around game, and was credited with one more TO than he deserved, that charge was a crap call.

Nice games for Van and Jae, but Johnson-Odom deserves his picture to stay on the left side of my screen.

DJO< senior leadership,started the comeback when we were out of control

DJO- stone cold shots when we needed them most.

DJO was there all game... as usual... Give it to DJO with Crowder a close second... The game was sloppy but not sure that was all on the players.  Glad to get out of Philly with a W.

DJO with a monster game.  Lots of solid contributions but DJO was SoG.

DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

JAAAAAEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

OOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Jae with the double double, Vander with ice in the veins....but I have to go with DJO as he brought us back on the road as seniors should.  Pretty much him alone in the 1st half.

Gotta be DJO.  Solid game for Crowder, too.

DJO.  Absolutely refused to come off the court in the second half.  His best game this year.  His leadership was as important as his shot.

Gotta be DJO - awesome game.

DJO was the man today... naother solid performance by Jae

Vander.  Those 4 FTs were HUGE!!!!!!!!  Great win guys.  7-2 Big East feels pretty damn good!

DJO & Jae were huge, but Vander won the game with those free throws. So Vander for SOTG.

Quote from: brewcity77 on January 28, 2012, 01:37:34 PM
If it were Stud of the Last Minute, I'd vote Vander. Since it's Stud of the Game, I vote DJO. He had an immense all-around game, and was credited with one more TO than he deserved, that charge was a crap call.

Nice games for Van and Jae, but Johnson-Odom deserves his picture to stay on the left side of my screen.

This

solid for a lot of guys, but no question DJO.

showed a lot of leadership to go along with all that talent, I love it.

Vander closed it but DJO kept us in...

Quote from: chicagowarrior on January 28, 2012, 01:41:00 PMDEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

JAAAAAEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

OOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

So is that a vote for Johnson-Odom, or a vote for Jae, saying something like "The (Deeee) Jae Oooooooooo...(hmm, thinking about this)...ooooooriginal", maybe?

3JO

Anyone who watch the entire 2hours and 40 minutes knows its DJO and not even close. Crowder had big stats. Vander had some big FTs. But there were some serious moments where the game was a bit out of hand and the dude put the whole team on his back. SOG isn't about clutch FTs or great stats. It's about changing the outcome of the game. DJO was huge.

Quote from: ErickJD08 on January 28, 2012, 01:48:57 PMAnyone who watch the entire 2hours and 40 minutes knows its DJO and not even close. Crowder had big stats. Vander had some big FTs. But there were some serious moments where the game was a bit out of hand and the dude put the whole team on his back. SOG isn't about clutch FTs or great stats. It's about changing the outcome of the game. DJO was huge.

I also voted for DJO, but seriously, Vander could have a triple-double and you'd be finding reasons to vote against him  ::)

DJO, but Vander is a close second.    Clutch.

DJO  26 pts, 6 rbs, 5 assists and 2 steals.  AND was scoreless in first eight minutes.  

Quote from: ErickJD08 on January 28, 2012, 01:48:57 PM
Anyone who watch the entire 2hours and 40 minutes knows its DJO and not even close. Crowder had big stats. Vander had some big FTs. But there were some serious moments where the game was a bit out of hand and the dude put the whole team on his back. SOG isn't about clutch FTs or great stats. It's about changing the outcome of the game. DJO was huge.

DJO started out poorly.  He helped get MU in the hole.  BUT (emphasized for purpose), he is the one who kept MU in the game in the 1st half and started the comeback.  He was also the vocal leader out there, keeping everyone focused on getting the win.  To me, the little things he did during the game meant more than his points.  And his points were huge.  DJO, no question in my mind.

Darius no doubt

DJO clearly. Hit shot after shot and puit the team on his back after he hit a couple shots finally. Jae and Vander were big today also. Need to find a way to start better though.

I voted for Vander. Nothing else would of matter, if Vander misses those free throws. The others put us in the position to win the game, but it was Vander who won it. Even more so, because he had been shooting under 50% in Big East play from free throw line.

absolutely love what vander did for the team and for himself.....but Djo carried the team today.

also to anyone that thinks this team is better without oult....go back and watch every rebound and basket Sutton had today...Otule would not have aloowed any of them....ecxept for the breakaway

Quote from: brewcity77 on January 28, 2012, 01:37:34 PM
If it were Stud of the Last Minute, I'd vote Vander. Since it's Stud of the Game, I vote DJO. He had an immense all-around game, and was credited with one more TO than he deserved, that charge was a crap call.

Nice games for Van and Jae, but Johnson-Odom deserves his picture to stay on the left side of my screen.

Immense clutch performance at the end, and you can't even appreciate the kid stepping up. What is your problem with Blue? Did he sleep with your girlfriend/wife/daughter? Are you the guy that got punched for calling him Vander Orange?

He had a very good game. Was he the only guy to miss a layup today? Did anyone come to him and give him an outlet pass when he traveled? Blue played great. Best he's played in quite awhile. Enjoy it, give him his due, and quit being an assclown just for the sake of it. Your idiocy reflects poorly not just upon yourself, but on the site as a whole, and online Marquette fans as a whole.

i feel like this board goes out its way to give sotg to anyone other than DJO sometimes. I know we all want to feel like smart, knowledgeable basketball fans who value things other than points, and sometimes we just expect more from DJO, but the man clearly was the class of this game. Blue is only getting mentions because of how bad he is at the line on other instances. Vander was good, and sealed the game, but the guy didn't even play the first half.

DJO, by a hair.  

It's nice when we win and we have multiple options to choose from.  Yes, there were warts today (covered in the threads about comebacks plus the announcers' incessant discussion of Junior's turnover issue of late), but at the end of the day, it's a win... and Ox is OK.

7 wins in the Big East?  I'm pretty happy so far.  There's still work to be done, but the guys are doing great overall.

Quote from: chapman on January 28, 2012, 01:35:49 PM
Normally I think it's super lame when people suggest co-SOTGs.  But DJO and Jae should both get this one.

agreed

Quote from: boyonthedock on January 28, 2012, 03:30:45 PM
i feel like this board goes out its way to give sotg to anyone other than DJO sometimes. I know we all want to feel like smart, knowledgeable basketball fans who value things other than points, and sometimes we just expect more from DJO, but the man clearly was the class of this game. Blue is only getting mentions because of how bad he MU is at the line on other instances. Vander was good, and sealed the game, but the guy didn't even play the first half.

Fixed.

Otherwise, agree with everything else you stated.

And yet MU is the 4th best free throw shooting team in the big east.  Go figure...

Quote from: dwaderoy2004 on January 28, 2012, 03:46:21 PM
And yet MU is the 4th best free throw shooting team in the big east.  Go figure...

stole my post...

...right?

Quote from: boyonthedock on January 28, 2012, 03:30:45 PM
i feel like this board goes out its way to give sotg to anyone other than DJO sometimes. I know we all want to feel like smart, knowledgeable basketball fans who value things other than points, and sometimes we just expect more from DJO, but the man clearly was the class of this game. Blue is only getting mentions because of how bad he is at the line on other instances. Vander was good, and sealed the game, but the guy didn't even play the first half.

Vander should have played more in the first half.  The defense was atrocious, which admittedly started when he was in the game, but his activity on the defensive end (including the boards) was invaluable in the second.  
But I voted DJO for SOTG.  Very clutch.

Quote from: marqptm on January 28, 2012, 03:48:07 PM
stole my post...

...right?

While true, MU has missed crucial FT's over the years.

But, what I find funny is that while MU is a good FT shooting team many remember the one's they miss.  In the 2nd half, it showed MU was 16-22.  Yet those 6 misses are what people remember.

The memories of DJO, Crowder, et al, missing late FT's are etched in our minds.  Even if they would be the only FT's they missed in that game.

Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on January 28, 2012, 03:50:13 PM

Vander should have played more in the first half.  The defense was atrocious, which admittedly started when he was in the game, but his activity on the defensive end (including the boards) was invaluable in the second.  
But I voted DJO for SOTG.  Very clutch.

Buzz went big.  Both Vander and Mayo had limited playing time in the 1st half.  There were times that Gardner, Wilson and Crowder were on the floor together.  Other times, Anderson and/or Jones were in for one or two of those.  He kept a rotation of Cadougan and Wilson at PG.  DJO as the two guard.  That was the primary reason why both Blue and Mayo had limited 1st half minutes.

I remember our loss at depaul much more clearly than any marquette game i have ever witnessed. the missed FTs were a big part of that one.

Quote from: MUMac on January 28, 2012, 03:56:07 PM
Buzz went big.  Both Vander and Mayo had limited playing time in the 1st half.  There were times that Gardner, Wilson and Crowder were on the floor together.  Other times, Anderson and/or Jones were in for one or two of those.  He kept a rotation of Cadougan and Wilson at PG.  DJO as the two guard.  That was the primary reason why both Blue and Mayo had limited 1st half minutes.

Yeah, and it didn't work very well.  Juan was completely lost and Jamail was invisible.

Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on January 28, 2012, 04:10:36 PM

Yeah, and it didn't work very well.  Juan was completely lost and Jamail was invisible.

So invisible that some didn't even know he played in the 1st half.  Played 7 minutes.  Pretty quiet 7 minutes.

Quote from: WarriorHal on January 28, 2012, 01:45:09 PM
DJO & Jae were huge, but Vander won the game with those free throws. So Vander for SOTG.

Free throws wouldn't matter if djo or crowder make the huge shots.

Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on January 28, 2012, 04:10:36 PM

Yeah, and it didn't work very well.  Juan was completely lost and Jamail was invisible.

Juan's slip was tough. The kid needs to see the ball go through the hoop more. He looks like he is gonna be good.

Quote from: MUMac on January 28, 2012, 04:13:00 PM
So invisible that some didn't even know he played in the 1st half.  Played 7 minutes.  Pretty quiet 7 minutes.

As a positive, at least he didn't do anything obviously horrible on D.   ;D

Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on January 28, 2012, 04:20:27 PM
As a positive, at least he didn't do anything obviously horrible on D.   ;D

;D

Quote from: ErickJD08 on January 28, 2012, 04:14:14 PM
Juan's slip was tough. The kid needs to see the ball go through the hoop more. He looks like he is gonna be good.

I think Juan can become what Fulce could have been without the knee injury.  I see some similarities in their games.  As Juan's body develops, he is going to be awfully fun to watch.

You can certainly give it to Blue for clutch play for the clutch free throws, the 7 rebounds in 16 minutes, and normal great defense.  No issue with that.

If you view the whole 40 minutes it is almost dead even but I give a slight edge to Crowder.

SHOOTING – SLIGHT EDGE DJO.  Shooting was virtually equal – effective Field Goal percentage was Crowder 53.3% and DJO 52.5% - slightly better 2s for DJO and Crowder one better on treys (4 of 7 to 3 of 7 for DJO). I give DJO a slight edge though because it's harder to stay above 50% eFG on 20 shots than the 15 Crowder took (more defensive attention, etc.).

FTs – EVEN.  Both got to the line for 6 free throws with DJO a one point advantage 5 of 6 vs. 4 of 6 for Crowder – though 2 of Crowder's were in between Blues so I'd call it even for those clutch shots.

ASSISTS – SLIGHT EDGE DJO.  Assists – DJO 5 to 4 – again a tiny edge DJO.

STEALS – TIE.  Steals – DJO and Crowder 2 each.

BLOCKS – CROWDER EDGE.  2 incredible blocked shots to 0 for DJO, I thought really prevented some momentum for Nova.

TURNOVERS – CROWDER.  Crowder 1 turnover to DJO's 3 – no question it's tougher as a guard to protect the ball, but Crowder has been the best guy in the country at not turning it over after the last two years.
In short, DJO a little edge on offense, and Crowder a little more of an edge on defense, so it's a photo finish, but I can't argue with most people going with DJO tonight.  The kid can turn it on and dominate  like no one else for stretches.

What a great game!  Great win for MU!  Love to watch Marquette play.  Crowder, DJO, Wilson played really great.  And, Vander, played his most impressive game as a Warrior!  Really clutch free throws.  Go Marquette!!!

I'm a big Vander supporter, but voting him over DJO or Crowder? Really?

Crowder was incredible during the comeback, pretty much looked like a man among boys. But DJO stepped up and was The Man, hitting shots when we desperately needed them -- including that huge 3 just before halftime -- and had the best passing game I've ever seen him have.

Quote from: ErickJD08 on January 28, 2012, 04:14:14 PM
Juan's slip was tough. The kid needs to see the ball go through the hoop more. He looks like he is gonna be good.

It was more his defensive mistake.  He doubled the post from the wrong angle which allowed a pass to go behind him to his guy.

I'd give it to DJO he brought us back in the first half with clutch takes. I also liked that Jamail got a little stretch of time maybe 5 mins or so when we closed the gap a bit in the first. I know he didnt contribute much but he also didnt make any glaring mistakes. Can't help but cheer for him because hes the first one congratulating teammates when they make big plays

Actual Win Score
Crowder-0.36
Blue- 0.35
DJO-0.26
J Wilson- 0.08
D Wilson- 0.01
Jones- 0
Gardner--0.05
Mayo--0.08
Cadougan--0.10
Anderson--0.57

Quote from: ErickJD08 on January 28, 2012, 04:14:14 PM
Juan's slip was tough. The kid needs to see the ball go through the hoop more. He looks like he is gonna be good.

If Juan doesn't slip there, he has a dunk. It actually was a nice move. See no reason yet to doubt the kid's potential.

Vander was huge at the end for us, but DJO took the game over and threw the team on his back today. Great to see one of our seniors take over like he did.

Quote from: bamamarquettefan on January 28, 2012, 04:38:28 PM
In short, DJO a little edge on offense, and Crowder a little more of an edge on defense, so it's a photo finish, but I can't argue with most people going with DJO tonight.  The kid can turn it on and dominate  like no one else for stretches.

I wouldn't give Crowder the edge over anyone on D today. His D was brutal. His 2 steals and 2 blocks were nice but I don't see how anyone could have watched that game and said he played well on D. He played well offensively, grabbed a lot of rebounds and hit some big shots but he really struggled defensively.

Great line for Vander: 16 min, 9 pts and 7 boards.

DJO by a mile.  Senior leadership in the second half was key.

Quote from: MUMac on January 28, 2012, 04:25:32 PM
I think Juan can become what Fulce could have been without the knee injury.  I see some similarities in their games.  As Juan's body develops, he is going to be awfully fun to watch.

haha, thanks compare a player's potential with something we've never saw. 

Quote from: RawdogDX on January 29, 2012, 12:13:24 PM
haha, thanks compare a player's potential with something we've never saw. 

We saw glimpses of it with Fulce.  I saw it on film from earlier days.  He had a nice mid range game, good 3 range.  Jumps quickly, quick and athletic.  Unfortunately, the injury limited his ability to expand on that.  I see Anderson with similar qualities and the ability to take it to what Fulce could have, if healthy.

But, since you can't see or understand it, so then no one could, I guess.   ::)

Quote from: MUMac on January 29, 2012, 12:20:56 PM
We saw glimpses of it with Fulce.  I saw it on film from earlier days.  He had a nice mid range game, good 3 range.  Jumps quickly, quick and athletic.  Unfortunately, the injury limited his ability to expand on that.  I see Anderson with similar qualities and the ability to take it to what Fulce could have, if healthy.

But, since you can't see or understand it, so then no one could, I guess.   ::)

Roll your eyes all you want.  Most people don't double down on hypothecials when making predictions.  You are already guessing what anderson will look like and then adding in a guess as to what fulce would have done in a hypothetical injury free universe.  You are asking posters to peer into your mind's eye when making a comparison.  Which is why usually potential gets compared to someone who actually reached that potential.  It gives others a frame of reference.

"I think that the 20012-13 49ers with Peyton manning have the potential to be about as good as the 2008 Pats if brady didn't get hurt."  is somthing i understand just fine, i just think it's a duchey thing to say.

Quote from: RawdogDX on January 29, 2012, 02:18:41 PM
Roll your eyes all you want.  Most people don't double down on hypothecials when making predictions.  You are already guessing what anderson will look like and then adding in a guess as to what fulce would have done in a hypothetical injury free universe.  You are asking posters to peer into your mind's eye when making a comparison.  Which is why usually potential gets compared to someone who actually reached that potential.  It gives others a frame of reference.

"I think that the 20012-13 49ers with Peyton manning have the potential to be about as good as the 2008 Pats if brady didn't get hurt."  is somthing i understand just fine, i just think it's a duchey thing to say.

Man, you took all the time to post that?  It's a message board.  Is this the first hypothetical you have seen here?  Really, this is the debate you want?  Have at it.   ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

You may be my first to ignore.   ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

The eyes are for you, chief.

NOOOO! I'm might be ignored.  My entire sense of self worth is based on if MUmac reads my posts.  And he made fun of me for spending time on a message board that he spends time on! I think i'll go and drink myself to death over this.  He even used a long seriese of facess; repeatedly clicking on a button to get his point accross.  THen he called me cheif, I've been completely emasculated! 

I think your next post has the potential to be as great of a slam as one written by a version of Hunter S. Thompson who had never touched drugs.

What if there were no hypothetical questions?

Anyway - what's the delay in getting DJO's mug up on the SOTG space?

Quote from: AZWarrior on January 29, 2012, 09:24:21 PM
1) What if there were no hypothetical questions?

2) Anyway - what's the delay in getting DJO's mug up on the SOTG space?

1) Could we not fill the gap with rhetorical questions?

2) I agree.  Where's the damn picture?  It's already Monday, and Seton Hall is Tuesday. Give the man his face time!

Quote from: AZWarrior on January 29, 2012, 09:24:21 PM
What if there were no hypothetical questions?

Anyway - what's the delay in getting DJO's mug up on the SOTG space?

+2...I think ;D

It's a conspiracy against DJO.  The mods are just showing that they're haters.