Poll
Question:
Who is/was your favorite MU player of all time?
Option 1: Bo Ellis
votes: 3
Option 2: Doc Rivers
votes: 12
Option 3: Dean Meminger
votes: 7
Option 4: Don Kojis
votes: 1
Option 5: Dwyane Wade
votes: 43
Option 6: Brian Wardle
votes: 1
Option 7: Travis Diener
votes: 13
Option 8: Tony Miller
votes: 4
Option 9: Maurice Lucas
votes: 3
Option 10: George Thompson
votes: 6
Option 11: Dominic James
votes: 14
Option 12: Jerel McNeal
votes: 13
Option 13: Wesley Matthews
votes: 28
Option 14: Steve Novak
votes: 14
Option 15: Jimmy Butler
votes: 14
Option 16: Ron Curry
votes: 0
Option 17: Anthony Pieper
votes: 1
Option 18: Jim Chones
votes: 0
Option 19: Cordell Henry
votes: 5
Option 20: Jim Mcilvaine
votes: 1
Option 21: Mike Bargen
votes: 0
Option 22: Lazar Hayward
votes: 20
Option 23: Sam Worthern
votes: 0
Option 24: Butch Lee
votes: 7
Option 25: Earl Tatum
votes: 5
Option 26: Todd Townsend
votes: 1
Option 27: Robert Jackson
votes: 1
Option 28: Artie Green
votes: 1
Option 29: Tony Smith
votes: 6
Option 30: Aaron Hutchins
votes: 3
Option 31: Dwight Buycks
votes: 1
Option 32: Mo Acker
votes: 0
Option 33: Damon Key
votes: 5
Option 34: Bernard Toone
votes: 1
Option 35: Artie Green
votes: 1
Option 36: Ousmane Barro
votes: 4
Option 37: Faisal Abraham
votes: 0
Option 38: Ron Curry
votes: 1
Option 39: David Boone
votes: 0
Option 40: Bob Lackey
votes: 1
Option 41: Larry McNeil
votes: 0
Option 42: Jerome Whitehead
votes: 0
Option 43: Rube Schulz
votes: 0
Option 44: Terry Reason
votes: 3
Option 45: Lloyd Walton
votes: 2
Option 46: Robert Byrd
votes: 1
Option 47: Brian Brunkhorst
votes: 2
Option 48: Terry Rand
votes: 0
Option 49: Ron Glaser
votes: 0
Option 50: Bob Wolf
votes: 1
Option 51: Allie McGuire
votes: 0
Option 52: Gary Brell
votes: 0
Option 53: Jim Boylan
votes: 0
Option 54: Marcus Washington
votes: 0
Option 55: Mandy Johnson
votes: 1
Option 56: Chris Crawford
votes: 3
Option 57: Rony Eford
votes: 0
Option 58: Amal McCaskill
votes: 1
Option 59: John Glaser
votes: 0
Option 60: Trevor Powell
votes: 0
Option 61: Mike Moran
votes: 0
Option 62: Russ Wittberger
votes: 0
Option 63: Tom Flynn
votes: 1
Option 64: Michael Wilson
votes: 0
Option 65: Oliver Lee
votes: 0
Option 66: Robb Logterman
votes: 0
Option 67: Kerry Trotter
votes: 1
Option 68: Dwayne Johnson
votes: 0
Option 69: Walt Mangham
votes: 1
Option 70: Paul Carbins
votes: 0
Option 71: Scott Merritt
votes: 0
Option 72: Joe Thomas
votes: 0
Option 73: Pops Sims
votes: 0
Option 74: Tom Copa
votes: 1
Option 75: Walter Downing
votes: 2
Option 76: Joe Nethen
votes: 2
Option 77: Dean Marquardt
votes: 0
Option 78: Blanton Simmons
votes: 1
Option 79: Dave Delsman
votes: 0
Option 80: Lloyd Moore
votes: 0
Option 81: Dave Erickson
votes: 0
Option 82: Dan Fitzgerald
votes: 0
Option 83: Ric Cobb
votes: 0
Option 84: Dave Erickson
votes: 0
Option 85: Don Bugalski
votes: 0
Option 86: Brad Luchini
votes: 0
Option 87: Bob Hornak
votes: 0
Option 88: George Frazier
votes: 0
Option 89: Pat Smith
votes: 0
Option 90: Grant Wittberger
votes: 0
Option 91: Terrell Sclundt
votes: 0
Option 92: Marc Marotta
votes: 0
Option 93: Richard Nixon (really?)
votes: 0
Option 94: John Cliff
votes: 0
Option 95: Gerry Hopfensperger
votes: 1
Option 96: Jeff Sewell
votes: 0
Option 97: Dave Quabius
votes: 0
Option 98: Ed Mullen
votes: 0
Option 99: Gene Berce
votes: 0
Option 100: William Chandler
votes: 0
Option 101: Raymond Morstadt
votes: 0
Option 102: Joseph (Red) Dunn
votes: 0
Option 103: Richard Quinn
votes: 0
Option 104: Al Delmore
votes: 0
Option 105: Howard Kallenberger
votes: 0
Option 106: Joseph King
votes: 0
Option 107: Whitley Budrunas
votes: 0
Option 108: LeRoy Andrews
votes: 0
Option 109: Robert Deneen
votes: 0
Option 110: Gene Gorychka
votes: 0
Option 111: Adolph Gorychka
votes: 0
Option 112: James O'Donnell
votes: 0
Option 113: Kenneth Wiesner
votes: 0
Option 114: Frank McCabe
votes: 0
Option 115: James McCoy
votes: 0
Option 116: Scott Christopherson
votes: 1
75 options restricted to no current players. Hope I didn't miss anyone. Let me know if I did (don't vote, you only get 1) and I will add. Also, let me know if there were any doubles
Jimmy is on there twice.
Scott Christopherson
Quote from: wadesworld on January 27, 2012, 03:11:36 PM
Scott Christopherson
Vetoed, but I would've accepted Ryan Amoroso.
Great. Now I have to pick just one. Geez. :-\
I picked the former owner of The Gym bar.
Jerel!
No one played with more passion than Terry Reason. Awesome guy. Would definitely have benefited from a 3 point line.
As much as I like Wardle and Wade, Wes gets the nod from me. Very solid player for MU, hard worker, consistent, and all around class act. It's hard not to like the guy. His success is something which is very much deserved.
As a kid I loved doc rivers and used to dream about playing in NBA with him. But as a 5'10" Irish kid from Iowa, I had to lower my goals.
I think I saw doc win the opening tip over benoit Benjamin at creighton when I wad little.
I also loved jerel from day one.
My dad would vote for George Thompson. He carried a program clipping and picture of George in his wallet through high school.
My son would vote for Maurice "machine gun" acker. He loved that guy.
Everybody please note there already is a 5-page thread with all kinds of tributes to our faves. Doesn't mean we can't keep going on this one, though it does seem redundant.
Move vote is that you trim the list to 10-15 names and alphabetize them.
Quote from: MU82 on January 27, 2012, 04:19:56 PM
Everybody please note there already is a 5-page thread with all kinds of tributes to our faves. Doesn't mean we can't keep going on this one, though it does seem redundant.
Why do people get so anal about this. Who cares?
Looks like most of the voting is for very recent MU favorites-----not much historical perspective shown.
The greats Lucas, Thompson, Lee, the Dream ect made this a formidable program----I voted for Thompson.
Guess Im just showing my age------nothing wrong voting for the recent greats-----just want us forever MU fan to remember the greats from our past.
Not complete without Joe Nethen...
I wish i could cast a vote for a pre 1990 great. However i'm unfortunate not to know much if anything about them :(
I wish i could see some video footage of games, and players that I've been hearing about!
How about adding Dean Marquardt....for the post accident break out game he had against Digger and Co.
Add Bob Wolf, the best pure shooter in the modern age and his running mate, Jimmy Burke, he of the 2 handed set shot. They were runners up in the 67 NIT, beat Providence and Jimmy Walker, and lost to Clyde Frazier and SIU. Also in that tourney was Jim Valvano at Rutgers and his teammate Bobby Lloyd.
Runner up-Gary the Goose Brell.
I voted for Steve Novak. Best pure shooter I've seen at any level. But that's not the reason. It's because as a young student at Marquette, Steve was always cordial on campus. He also was the guy that bridged eras. Shortly after I arrived, we went to the Final Four with Wade. Then we turned to crap, but Novak was steadily there for us, and was the leader when the Three Amigos showed up and lifted us back up.
For me as a younger (34) MU fan, I break MU basketball into 5 eras. There's the pre-me era, which is really anything before the 1990s. Then there's the 90s, which had a mixed bag (O'Neill good, Deane not so much). After that, the early-Crean era and the late Crean era, and finally Buzz.
I feel like we reached a height with Wade I haven't seen before in my life, and Novak was a big key to getting there. But we didn't sustain that. When we got back to building a truly quality program, Novak was the guy that was there to lead that.
Still baffled how someone picked anyone other than Novak first at Marquette Madness for a 3-point shooting contest. I loved Wade, but Super Steve is my favorite of all-time.
Quote from: Aughnanure on January 27, 2012, 03:13:54 PM
Vetoed, but I would've accepted Ryan Amoroso.
Why not? I still keep in touch with him and watch his games whenever they're televised on TWC (surprisingly quite a few of their games have been). Great guy.
I voted for Tom Flynn. He was my first favorite player as a young lad. Also part of brotherly rivalry. I liked Flynn he liked Wolf. I liked Thompson he liked Meminger. Today I live and die MU and he lives and dies UW. In my opinion he has always been on the wrong side.
What, no OTHER?
If I limit myself to the players I witnessed play their four years at Marquette, it's Aaron Hutchins.
Nothing hits home more than a gutsy PG who's smaller than you and is killing the opponents.
He was "me" on the court for his whole 4 years at MU. It was truly rooting for the little guy.
If I limit myself to the players I witnessed play at any period during my years at Marquette, it'll be Tony Miller.
I loved the way he ran the team from his position.
If I limit myself to all players I have watched during their Marquette careers, I'd say Dwyane Wade. He was special, even if we only had him for a limited time.
Not much love for the players from MU's NCAA championship. Geez, how many MU players have played in TWO NCAA championship games? How about Bo, Earl and Lloyd.
Quote from: 79Warrior on January 27, 2012, 06:28:51 PM
Not much love for the players from MU's NCAA championship. Geez, how many MU players have played in TWO NCAA championship games? How about Bo, Earl and Lloyd.
I'd love to say Mo Lucas was the best ever or even Kojis.
But I haven't seen much of them in game footage.
This is where the vets need to school the young'uns on MU history...
Or just make peace that generations will always debate this barbershop/bar/water cooler topic.
Where is Blanton Simmons?
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on January 27, 2012, 04:39:12 PM
Why do people get so anal about this. Who cares?
It's fun. Sure beats complaining about the team.
I voted Chris Crawford because he had a mean fastball.
This post really isn't about who's our favorite, is it?
It's really about the history...and the passion...and the pride....we have in our basketball heritage.
I can't believe out of 125 voters Jim Chones has zero. I would have voted for him except for Dean.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on January 27, 2012, 08:04:03 PM
I can't believe out of 125 voters Jim Chones has zero. I would have voted for him except for Dean.
Don't take this wrong....show's the "flaw" in this poll. It's still a fun post ;D
No Dave Delsman even though he was the only player ever to deck McGuire (or any other MU head coach) with a punch in practice? That's just not right.
Quote from: Sawsi on January 27, 2012, 06:37:55 PM
I voted Chris Crawford because he had a mean fastball.
Which meant that MU could carry fourteen scholarship worthy players on its roster since the baseball team (Houston?) that drafted him started picking up his tuition.
Quote from: mutrainer71 on January 27, 2012, 05:27:08 PM
Add Bob Wolf, the best pure shooter in the modern age and his running mate, Jimmy Burke, he of the 2 handed set shot. They were runners up in the 67 NIT, beat Providence and Jimmy Walker, and lost to Clyde Frazier and SIU. Also in that tourney was Jim Valvano at Rutgers and his teammate Bobby Lloyd.
Runner up-Gary the Goose Brell.
Wolf is on there.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 27, 2012, 06:07:02 PM
Why not? I still keep in touch with him and watch his games whenever they're televised on TWC (surprisingly quite a few of their games have been). Great guy.
Did he ever play a single game? Nothing against him. Go Cyclones over KU by the way!.
Quote from: real chili 83 on January 27, 2012, 05:16:25 PM
How about adding Dean Marquardt....for the post accident break out game he had against Digger and Co.
Added.
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on January 27, 2012, 06:35:09 PM
I'd love to say Mo Lucas was the best ever or even Kojis.
But I haven't seen much of them in game footage.
This is where the vets need to school the young'uns on MU history...
Or just make peace that generations will always debate this barbershop/bar/water cooler topic.
Its not about the best, but your favorite -- a more personal opinion that is heavily influenced by when you went to Marquette and/or when you first began following the team.
Quote from: LittleMurs on January 27, 2012, 09:40:45 PM
No Dave Delsman even though he was the only player ever to deck McGuire (or any other MU head coach) with a punch in practice? That's just not right.
I cant tell if you're joking or not, but what the hell, we're at #78 anyways.
Quote from: Aughnanure on January 27, 2012, 10:24:38 PM
Did he ever play a single game? Nothing against him. Go Cyclones over KU by the way!.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/36626/scott-christopherson
Yes. He played 87 minutes at Marquette as a freshman in 2007-2008 before transferring. He also injured his knee very early in the season that year.
Pops Sims is not getting any votes because he is listed as Michael Sims. Noone knows who the hell that is. Please change so we can show Pops the love.
Jim Chones has no votes, and he's on the ballot twice!
Quote from: LittleMurs on January 27, 2012, 10:09:56 PM
Which meant that MU could carry fourteen scholarship worthy players on its roster since the baseball team (Houston?) that drafted him started picking up his tuition.
It was Houston. Chris was definitely a team player in that aspect. Hence why he should be everyone's favorite.
Quote from: Knight Commission on January 28, 2012, 08:09:25 AM
Pops Sims is not getting any votes because he is listed as Michael Sims. Noone knows who the hell that is. Please change so we can show Pops the love.
Changed.
I am worried about any list that contains Mike Bargen.
Quote from: jtsanto on January 28, 2012, 12:01:16 PM
I am worried about any list that contains Mike Bargen.
I think I got his name from one of the "All-Time Leaders" list on the wiki. Just trying to get who everyone may want since there have already been dozens of requests for players I have never even heard of.
Where's Ivan Renko?
Not critical of poll just find it funny that he is one of the top players in program history..great list
not to cut in on us just moving into 2nd place to jump back in history, but ...
Thanks for posting this, fantastic. I compared the list to the Top 100 I've kept since writing the book that ranked them all. The only possible oversight I saw was Ric Cobb who I calculated as the 40th best player ever, so would have put him in a list of 80 to choose from. Here are the others since 1950 who i had in the top 100 but were not on your list:
40 Ric Cobb 1969, 70
55 Dave Erickson 1961, 62, 63
64 Don Bugalski 1954, 55, 56
72 Jerry Homan 1973, 74, 75
73 Brad Luchini 1966, 67, 68
74 Bob Hornak 1961, 62, 63
78 George Frazier 1971, 72, 73
80 Pat Smith 1967, 68, 69
85 Grant Wittberger 1951, 52
86 Terrell Schlundt 1980, 81, 82, 83
87 Marc Marotta 1981, 82, 83, 84
88 Richard Nixon 1961, 62, 63
91 John Cliff 1997, 98, 99, 2000
95 Gerry Hopfensperger 1955, 56, 57
96 Jeff Sewell 1968, 69, 70
Obviously very few fans saw pre-1950s game, but here are the others from my top 100 not on your list because they played before 1950. With that 100th year creeping up, i don't want to forget the pioneers either.
Highest ranked not on list - before 1950
12 Dave Quabius 1937, 38, 39
23 Ed Mullen 1933, 34, 35
29 Gene Berce 1945, 47, 48
29 William Chandler 1942, 43, 44, 45
30 Raymond Morstadt 1934, 35, 36
31 Joseph (Red) Dunn 1922, 23, 24, 25
32 Richard Quinn 1922, 23, 24, 25
58 Al Delmore 1918, 19
61 Howard Kallenberger 1943, 44, 46
65 Joseph King 1930, 31, 32
68 Whitley Budrunas 1931, 32
69 LeRoy Andrews 1929, 30, 31
71 Robert Deneen 1938, 39, 40
75 Gene Ronzani 1932, 33, 34
79 Adolph Gorychka 1933, 34, 35
83 James O'Donnell 1929, 30, 31
98 Kenneth Wiesner 1945, 46, 47
99 Frank McCabe 1946, 47, 48, 49
100 James McCoy 1957, 58, 59
You know a bunch of young'uns are on this board when no player before the Wade/Diener era gets more than a dozen votes!
Obviously, Al had some incredible, incredible players, many of them better than anybody since other than Wade. Still, I guess we, um, "more mature" MU folks can't expect the younger crowd to vote for players whose careers ended before they were born!
MU I 'm with you. I feel old. I voted Butch Lee - National Player of the Year in at least one or two polls the year we won it all (Phil Ford of UNC was the other player garnering POY honors). But we beat Ford for the championship so I'll take that any day. And only 6 votes for Butch. But this is a favorite player poll, so I guess the results illustrate the age of the scoopers, right?
F*** it. Why not? We're at #82 anyways.
Quote from: bamamarquettefan on January 28, 2012, 05:15:38 PM
not to cut in on us just moving into 2nd place to jump back in history, but ...
Thanks for posting this, fantastic. I compared the list to the Top 100 I've kept since writing the book that ranked them all. The only possible oversight I saw was Ric Cobb who I calculated as the 40th best player ever, so would have put him in a list of 80 to choose from. Here are the others since 1950 who i had in the top 100 but were not on your list:
40 Ric Cobb 1969, 70
55 Dave Erickson 1961, 62, 63
64 Don Bugalski 1954, 55, 56
72 Jerry Homan 1973, 74, 75
73 Brad Luchini 1966, 67, 68
74 Bob Hornak 1961, 62, 63
78 George Frazier 1971, 72, 73
80 Pat Smith 1967, 68, 69
85 Grant Wittberger 1951, 52
86 Terrell Schlundt 1980, 81, 82, 83
87 Marc Marotta 1981, 82, 83, 84
88 Richard Nixon 1961, 62, 63
91 John Cliff 1997, 98, 99, 2000
95 Gerry Hopfensperger 1955, 56, 57
96 Jeff Sewell 1968, 69, 70
Obviously very few fans saw pre-1950s game, but here are the others from my top 100 not on your list because they played before 1950. With that 100th year creeping up, i don't want to forget the pioneers either.
Highest ranked not on list - before 1950
12 Dave Quabius 1937, 38, 39
23 Ed Mullen 1933, 34, 35
29 Gene Berce 1945, 47, 48
29 William Chandler 1942, 43, 44, 45
30 Raymond Morstadt 1934, 35, 36
31 Joseph (Red) Dunn 1922, 23, 24, 25
32 Richard Quinn 1922, 23, 24, 25
58 Al Delmore 1918, 19
61 Howard Kallenberger 1943, 44, 46
65 Joseph King 1930, 31, 32
68 Whitley Budrunas 1931, 32
69 LeRoy Andrews 1929, 30, 31
71 Robert Deneen 1938, 39, 40
75 Gene Ronzani 1932, 33, 34
79 Adolph Gorychka 1933, 34, 35
83 James O'Donnell 1929, 30, 31
98 Kenneth Wiesner 1945, 46, 47
99 Frank McCabe 1946, 47, 48, 49
100 James McCoy 1957, 58, 59
Quote from: romey on January 28, 2012, 07:19:07 PM
MU I 'm with you. I feel old. I voted Butch Lee - National Player of the Year in at least one or two polls the year we won it all (Phil Ford of UNC was the other player garnering POY honors). But we beat Ford for the championship so I'll take that any day. And only 6 votes for Butch. But this is a favorite player poll, so I guess the results illustrate the age of the scoopers, right?
If this was pinned or something at top for long enough, allowing more of the older MU fans that dont check-in that often to see it and vote, it may even out a bit. But yeah, most of us are of the post 1990 classes. But if I had to do it over again, I think I may have made it a "Top 3" and given everyone 3 votes.
Quote from: Aughnanure on January 28, 2012, 10:20:13 PM
F*** it. Why not? We're at #82 anyways.
Christopherson
:-)
Quote from: Aughnanure on January 28, 2012, 10:31:50 PM
If this was pinned or something at top for long enough, allowing more of the older MU fans that dont check-in that often to see it and vote, it may even out a bit. But yeah, most of us are of the post 1990 classes. But if I had to do it over again, I think I may have made it a "Top 3" and given everyone 3 votes.
Yeah I like that.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 28, 2012, 10:35:54 PM
Christopherson
:-)
Have a hard time putting in someone who transferred, esp one with less than 100 minutes. He really is an Iowa St. Cyclone (awesome win btw! Hate KU), but I can see you're pretty persistent.
Quote from: Aughnanure on January 28, 2012, 10:39:46 PM
Have a hard time putting in someone who transferred, esp one with less than 100 minutes. He really is an Iowa St. Cyclone (awesome win btw! Hate KU), but I can see you're pretty persistent.
Hahaha yessssss. Thanks. More votes than many ;-)
For fun, yeah, I'll do it.
The top 10 vote getters (3 way tie for 5th)
1) Dwyane Wade 15%
2) Wes Matthews 11.1%
3) Lazar Hayward 8.1%
4) Dominc James 6.0%
5) Travis Diener 5.1%
5) Jimmy Butler 5.1%
5) Doc Rivers 5.1%
8) Jerel McNeal 4.3%
8) Steve Novak 4.3%
10) Butch Lee 3%
My conclusions
- People have short memories or the age group of this board is young to have so many players in the 2000's rank in the top 5
- Crean couldn't recruit quality but apparently he recruited most of everyone's favorite players. The top 5 players all recruited by Crean (yes, and two others that tied for five that were recruited by other coaches). Seven of the top 10. Why do we hate this guy again for bringing that kind of talent to MU?
- Bo Ellis, Dean Meminger, George Thompson combined would not have finished in the top 3.
Jim Chones got 0 votes? That is surprising. Maybe because he left early, we sure hate those players and coaches that leave early from MU.
Quote from: Aughnanure on January 27, 2012, 10:32:08 PM
I cant tell if you're joking or not, but what the hell, we're at #78 anyways.
I Remember Al McGuire by Mike Towle in Chapter 5, In His Own Words, recalls the following.
On being knocked down by a punch thrown in practice by Marquette player Dave Delsman, who was responding to a McGuire challenge:
Can you imagine that little squirt putting me on the floor? I should have just hit him on the top of the head and been done with it.
Quote from: real chili 83 on January 27, 2012, 05:16:25 PM
How about adding Dean Marquardt....for the post accident break out game he had against Digger and Co.
Deano picked a good time for his best game as a Warrior. Without his game, Doc's bomb would have been for naught.
Just put all the players on the list who have ever played for MU. After all its your favorite player, not the best.