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75 options restricted to no current players. Hope I didn't miss anyone. Let me know if I did (don't vote, you only get 1) and I will add. Also, let me know if there were any doubles

Jimmy is on there twice.

Quote from: greenman on January 27, 2012, 03:09:25 PM
Jimmy is on there twice.

Yep, thanks - just saw that.

Scott Christopherson

Quote from: wadesworld on January 27, 2012, 03:11:36 PM
Scott Christopherson

Vetoed, but I would've accepted Ryan Amoroso.

Great.   Now I have to pick just one.    Geez.   :-\

I picked the former owner of The Gym bar.

Jerel!

No one played with more passion than Terry Reason.  Awesome guy.  Would definitely have benefited from a 3 point line. 

As much as I like Wardle and Wade, Wes gets the nod from me.  Very solid player for MU, hard worker, consistent, and all around class act.  It's hard not to like the guy.  His success is something which is very much deserved. 

As a kid I loved doc rivers and used to dream about playing in NBA with him.  But as  a 5'10" Irish kid from Iowa, I had to lower my goals.

I think I saw doc win the opening tip over benoit Benjamin at creighton when I wad little.

I also loved jerel from day one.

My dad would vote for George Thompson.  He carried a program clipping and picture of George in his wallet through high school.

My son would vote for Maurice "machine gun" acker.  He loved that guy.

Everybody please note there already is a 5-page thread with all kinds of tributes to our faves. Doesn't mean we can't keep going on this one, though it does seem redundant.

Move vote is that you trim the list to 10-15 names and alphabetize them.

Quote from: MU82 on January 27, 2012, 04:19:56 PM
Everybody please note there already is a 5-page thread with all kinds of tributes to our faves. Doesn't mean we can't keep going on this one, though it does seem redundant.

Why do people get so anal about  this.  Who cares?

Looks like most of the voting is for very recent MU favorites-----not much historical perspective shown.

The greats Lucas, Thompson, Lee, the Dream ect made this a formidable program----I voted for Thompson.

Guess Im just showing my age------nothing wrong voting for the recent greats-----just want us forever MU fan to remember the greats from our past.

Not complete without Joe Nethen...

I wish i could cast a vote for a pre 1990 great.  However i'm unfortunate not to know much if anything about them :(

I wish i could see some video footage of games, and players that I've been hearing about!

How about adding Dean Marquardt....for the post accident break out game he had against Digger and Co.

Add Bob Wolf, the best pure shooter in the modern age and his running mate, Jimmy Burke, he of the 2 handed set shot.  They were runners up in the 67 NIT, beat Providence and Jimmy Walker, and lost to Clyde Frazier and SIU.  Also in that tourney was Jim Valvano at Rutgers and his teammate Bobby Lloyd.

Runner up-Gary the Goose Brell.

I voted for Steve Novak. Best pure shooter I've seen at any level. But that's not the reason. It's because as a young student at Marquette, Steve was always cordial on campus. He also was the guy that bridged eras. Shortly after I arrived, we went to the Final Four with Wade. Then we turned to crap, but Novak was steadily there for us, and was the leader when the Three Amigos showed up and lifted us back up.

For me as a younger (34) MU fan, I break MU basketball into 5 eras. There's the pre-me era, which is really anything before the 1990s. Then there's the 90s, which had a mixed bag (O'Neill good, Deane not so much). After that, the early-Crean era and the late Crean era, and finally Buzz.

I feel like we reached a height with Wade I haven't seen before in my life, and Novak was a big key to getting there. But we didn't sustain that. When we got back to building a truly quality program, Novak was the guy that was there to lead that.

Still baffled how someone picked anyone other than Novak first at Marquette Madness for a 3-point shooting contest. I loved Wade, but Super Steve is my favorite of all-time.

Quote from: Aughnanure on January 27, 2012, 03:13:54 PM
Vetoed, but I would've accepted Ryan Amoroso.

Why not?  I still keep in touch with him and watch his games whenever they're televised on TWC (surprisingly quite a few of their games have been).  Great guy.

I voted for Tom Flynn. He was my first favorite player as a young lad. Also part of brotherly rivalry. I liked Flynn he liked Wolf. I liked Thompson he liked Meminger. Today I live and die MU and he lives and dies UW. In my opinion he has always been on the wrong side.

What, no OTHER?

If I limit myself to the players I witnessed play their four years at Marquette, it's Aaron Hutchins.
Nothing hits home more than a gutsy PG who's smaller than you and is killing the opponents.
He was "me" on the court for his whole 4 years at MU. It was truly rooting for the little guy.

If I limit myself to the players I witnessed play at any period during my years at Marquette, it'll be Tony Miller.
I loved the way he ran the team from his position.

If I limit myself to all players I have watched during their Marquette careers, I'd say Dwyane Wade. He was special, even if we only had him for a limited time.

Not much love for the players from MU's NCAA championship. Geez, how many MU players have played in TWO NCAA championship games? How about Bo, Earl and Lloyd.

Quote from: 79Warrior on January 27, 2012, 06:28:51 PM

Not much love for the players from MU's NCAA championship. Geez, how many MU players have played in TWO NCAA championship games? How about Bo, Earl and Lloyd.

I'd love to say Mo Lucas was the best ever or even Kojis.

But I haven't seen much of them in game footage.

This is where the vets need to school the young'uns on MU history...

Or just make peace that generations will always debate this barbershop/bar/water cooler topic.

Where is Blanton Simmons?

Quote from: AnotherMU84 on January 27, 2012, 04:39:12 PM
Why do people get so anal about  this.  Who cares?

It's fun. Sure beats complaining about the team.

I voted Chris Crawford because he had a mean fastball.

This post really isn't about who's our favorite, is it? 

It's really about the history...and the passion...and the pride....we have in our basketball heritage.

I can't believe out of 125 voters Jim Chones has zero. I would have voted for him except for Dean.

Quote from: mileskishnish72 on January 27, 2012, 08:04:03 PM
I can't believe out of 125 voters Jim Chones has zero. I would have voted for him except for Dean.

Don't take this wrong....show's the "flaw" in this poll.  It's still a fun post ;D

No Dave Delsman even though he was the only player ever to deck McGuire (or any other MU head coach) with a punch in practice?  That's just not right.

Quote from: Sawsi on January 27, 2012, 06:37:55 PM
I voted Chris Crawford because he had a mean fastball.

Which meant that MU could carry fourteen scholarship worthy players on its roster since the baseball team (Houston?) that drafted him started picking up his tuition.

Quote from: mutrainer71 on January 27, 2012, 05:27:08 PM
Add Bob Wolf, the best pure shooter in the modern age and his running mate, Jimmy Burke, he of the 2 handed set shot.  They were runners up in the 67 NIT, beat Providence and Jimmy Walker, and lost to Clyde Frazier and SIU.  Also in that tourney was Jim Valvano at Rutgers and his teammate Bobby Lloyd.

Runner up-Gary the Goose Brell.

Wolf is on there.

Quote from: wadesworld on January 27, 2012, 06:07:02 PM
Why not?  I still keep in touch with him and watch his games whenever they're televised on TWC (surprisingly quite a few of their games have been).  Great guy.

Did he ever play a single game? Nothing against him. Go Cyclones over KU by the way!.

Quote from: real chili 83 on January 27, 2012, 05:16:25 PM
How about adding Dean Marquardt....for the post accident break out game he had against Digger and Co.

Added.

Quote from: muwarrior69 on January 27, 2012, 06:35:18 PM
Where is Blanton Simmons?

Added.

Quote from: 77ncaachamps on January 27, 2012, 06:35:09 PM
I'd love to say Mo Lucas was the best ever or even Kojis.

But I haven't seen much of them in game footage.

This is where the vets need to school the young'uns on MU history...

Or just make peace that generations will always debate this barbershop/bar/water cooler topic.

Its not about the best, but your favorite -- a more personal opinion that is heavily influenced by when you went to Marquette and/or when you first began following the team.

Quote from: madtownwarrior on January 27, 2012, 04:58:26 PM
Not complete without Joe Nethen...

Added.

Quote from: LittleMurs on January 27, 2012, 09:40:45 PM
No Dave Delsman even though he was the only player ever to deck McGuire (or any other MU head coach) with a punch in practice?  That's just not right.

I cant tell if you're joking or not, but what the hell, we're at #78 anyways.

Quote from: Aughnanure on January 27, 2012, 10:24:38 PM

Did he ever play a single game? Nothing against him. Go Cyclones over KU by the way!.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/36626/scott-christopherson

Yes.  He played 87 minutes at Marquette as a freshman in 2007-2008 before transferring.  He also injured his knee very early in the season that year.

Pops Sims is not getting any votes because he is listed as Michael Sims. Noone knows who the hell that is. Please change so we can show Pops the love.

Jim Chones has no votes, and he's on the ballot twice!

Quote from: LittleMurs on January 27, 2012, 10:09:56 PM
Which meant that MU could carry fourteen scholarship worthy players on its roster since the baseball team (Houston?) that drafted him started picking up his tuition.

It was Houston.  Chris was definitely a team player in that aspect.  Hence why he should be everyone's favorite.

Quote from: Knight Commission on January 28, 2012, 08:09:25 AM
Pops Sims is not getting any votes because he is listed as Michael Sims. Noone knows who the hell that is. Please change so we can show Pops the love.

Changed.

I am worried about any list that contains Mike Bargen.

Quote from: jtsanto on January 28, 2012, 12:01:16 PM
I am worried about any list that contains Mike Bargen.

I think I got his name from one of the "All-Time Leaders" list on the wiki. Just trying to get who everyone may want since there have already been dozens of requests for players I have never even heard of.

Where's Ivan Renko?

Not critical of poll just find it funny that he is one of the top players in program history..great list

not to cut in on us just moving into 2nd place to jump back in history, but ...

Thanks for posting this, fantastic.  I compared the list to the Top 100 I've kept since writing the book that ranked them all.  The only possible oversight I saw was Ric Cobb who I calculated as the 40th best player ever, so would have put him in a list of 80 to choose from.  Here are the others since 1950 who i had in the top 100 but were not on your list:

40   Ric   Cobb   1969, 70
55   Dave   Erickson   1961, 62, 63
64   Don   Bugalski   1954, 55, 56
72   Jerry   Homan   1973, 74, 75
73   Brad   Luchini   1966, 67, 68
74   Bob   Hornak   1961, 62, 63
78   George   Frazier   1971, 72, 73
80   Pat   Smith   1967, 68, 69
85   Grant   Wittberger   1951, 52
86   Terrell   Schlundt   1980, 81, 82, 83
87   Marc   Marotta   1981, 82, 83, 84
88   Richard   Nixon   1961, 62, 63
91   John   Cliff   1997, 98, 99, 2000
95   Gerry   Hopfensperger   1955, 56, 57
96   Jeff   Sewell   1968, 69, 70

Obviously very few fans saw pre-1950s game, but here are the others from my top 100 not on your list because they played before 1950.  With that 100th year creeping up, i don't want to forget the pioneers either.

Highest ranked not on list - before 1950
12   Dave   Quabius   1937, 38, 39
23   Ed   Mullen   1933, 34, 35
29   Gene   Berce   1945, 47, 48
29   William   Chandler   1942, 43, 44, 45
30   Raymond   Morstadt   1934, 35, 36
31   Joseph (Red)   Dunn   1922, 23, 24, 25
32   Richard   Quinn   1922, 23, 24, 25
58   Al   Delmore   1918, 19
61   Howard   Kallenberger   1943, 44, 46
65   Joseph   King   1930, 31, 32
68   Whitley   Budrunas   1931, 32
69   LeRoy   Andrews   1929, 30, 31
71   Robert   Deneen   1938, 39, 40
75   Gene   Ronzani   1932, 33, 34
79   Adolph   Gorychka   1933, 34, 35
83   James   O'Donnell   1929, 30, 31
98   Kenneth   Wiesner   1945, 46, 47
99   Frank   McCabe   1946, 47, 48, 49
100   James   McCoy   1957, 58, 59

You know a bunch of young'uns are on this board when no player before the Wade/Diener era gets more than a dozen votes!

Obviously, Al had some incredible, incredible players, many of them better than anybody since other than Wade. Still, I guess we, um, "more mature" MU folks can't expect the younger crowd to vote for players whose careers ended before they were born!

MU I 'm with you.  I feel old.  I voted Butch Lee - National Player of the Year in at least one or two polls the year we won it all (Phil Ford of UNC was the other player garnering POY honors).  But we beat Ford for the championship so I'll take that any day.  And only 6 votes for Butch.  But this is a favorite player poll, so I guess the results illustrate the age of the scoopers, right?

F*** it. Why not? We're at #82 anyways.

Quote from: bamamarquettefan on January 28, 2012, 05:15:38 PM
not to cut in on us just moving into 2nd place to jump back in history, but ...

Thanks for posting this, fantastic.  I compared the list to the Top 100 I've kept since writing the book that ranked them all.  The only possible oversight I saw was Ric Cobb who I calculated as the 40th best player ever, so would have put him in a list of 80 to choose from.  Here are the others since 1950 who i had in the top 100 but were not on your list:

40   Ric   Cobb   1969, 70
55   Dave   Erickson   1961, 62, 63
64   Don   Bugalski   1954, 55, 56
72   Jerry   Homan   1973, 74, 75
73   Brad   Luchini   1966, 67, 68
74   Bob   Hornak   1961, 62, 63
78   George   Frazier   1971, 72, 73
80   Pat   Smith   1967, 68, 69
85   Grant   Wittberger   1951, 52
86   Terrell   Schlundt   1980, 81, 82, 83
87   Marc   Marotta   1981, 82, 83, 84
88   Richard   Nixon   1961, 62, 63
91   John   Cliff   1997, 98, 99, 2000
95   Gerry   Hopfensperger   1955, 56, 57
96   Jeff   Sewell   1968, 69, 70

Obviously very few fans saw pre-1950s game, but here are the others from my top 100 not on your list because they played before 1950.  With that 100th year creeping up, i don't want to forget the pioneers either.

Highest ranked not on list - before 1950
12   Dave   Quabius   1937, 38, 39
23   Ed   Mullen   1933, 34, 35
29   Gene   Berce   1945, 47, 48
29   William   Chandler   1942, 43, 44, 45
30   Raymond   Morstadt   1934, 35, 36
31   Joseph (Red)   Dunn   1922, 23, 24, 25
32   Richard   Quinn   1922, 23, 24, 25
58   Al   Delmore   1918, 19
61   Howard   Kallenberger   1943, 44, 46
65   Joseph   King   1930, 31, 32
68   Whitley   Budrunas   1931, 32
69   LeRoy   Andrews   1929, 30, 31
71   Robert   Deneen   1938, 39, 40
75   Gene   Ronzani   1932, 33, 34
79   Adolph   Gorychka   1933, 34, 35
83   James   O'Donnell   1929, 30, 31
98   Kenneth   Wiesner   1945, 46, 47
99   Frank   McCabe   1946, 47, 48, 49
100   James   McCoy   1957, 58, 59

Quote from: romey on January 28, 2012, 07:19:07 PM
MU I 'm with you.  I feel old.  I voted Butch Lee - National Player of the Year in at least one or two polls the year we won it all (Phil Ford of UNC was the other player garnering POY honors).  But we beat Ford for the championship so I'll take that any day.  And only 6 votes for Butch.  But this is a favorite player poll, so I guess the results illustrate the age of the scoopers, right?

If this was pinned or something at top for long enough, allowing more of the older MU fans that dont check-in that often to see it and vote, it may even out a bit. But yeah, most of us are of the post 1990 classes. But if I had to do it over again, I think I may have made it a "Top 3" and given everyone 3 votes.

Quote from: Aughnanure on January 28, 2012, 10:20:13 PM
F*** it. Why not? We're at #82 anyways.

Christopherson

:-)

Quote from: Aughnanure on January 28, 2012, 10:31:50 PM
If this was pinned or something at top for long enough, allowing more of the older MU fans that dont check-in that often to see it and vote, it may even out a bit. But yeah, most of us are of the post 1990 classes. But if I had to do it over again, I think I may have made it a "Top 3" and given everyone 3 votes.

Yeah I like that.

Quote from: wadesworld on January 28, 2012, 10:35:54 PM
Christopherson

:-)

Have a hard time putting in someone who transferred, esp one with less than 100 minutes. He really is an Iowa St. Cyclone (awesome win btw! Hate KU), but I can see you're pretty persistent.

Quote from: Aughnanure on January 28, 2012, 10:39:46 PM
Have a hard time putting in someone who transferred, esp one with less than 100 minutes. He really is an Iowa St. Cyclone (awesome win btw! Hate KU), but I can see you're pretty persistent.

Hahaha yessssss.  Thanks.  More votes than many ;-)

For fun, yeah, I'll do it.

The top 10 vote getters (3 way tie for 5th)

1) Dwyane Wade 15%
2) Wes Matthews 11.1%
3) Lazar Hayward 8.1%
4) Dominc James 6.0%
5) Travis Diener 5.1%
5) Jimmy Butler 5.1%
5) Doc Rivers 5.1%
8) Jerel McNeal 4.3%
8) Steve Novak 4.3%
10) Butch Lee 3%


My conclusions

• People have short memories or the age group of this board is young to have so many players in the 2000's rank in the top 5


• Crean couldn't recruit quality but apparently he recruited most of everyone's favorite players.  The top 5 players all recruited by Crean (yes, and two others that tied for five that were recruited by other coaches).  Seven of the top 10.  Why do we hate this guy again for bringing that kind of talent to MU?


• Bo Ellis, Dean Meminger, George Thompson combined would not have finished in the top 3.
  Jim Chones got 0 votes?  That is surprising.  Maybe because he left early, we sure hate those players and coaches that leave early from MU.

Quote from: Aughnanure on January 27, 2012, 10:32:08 PM
I cant tell if you're joking or not, but what the hell, we're at #78 anyways.

I Remember Al McGuire by Mike Towle in Chapter 5, In His Own Words, recalls the following.

On being knocked down by a punch thrown in practice by Marquette player Dave Delsman, who was responding to a McGuire challenge:

Can you imagine that little squirt putting me on the floor?  I should have just hit him on the top of the head and been done with it.

Quote from: real chili 83 on January 27, 2012, 05:16:25 PM
How about adding Dean Marquardt....for the post accident break out game he had against Digger and Co.

Deano picked a good time for his best game as a Warrior.  Without his game, Doc's bomb would have been for naught.

Just put all the players on the list who have ever played for MU. After all its your favorite player, not the best.