Students and fans should be upset with lack of support for this top twenty team. Barely 10 thousand tonight. Lame
Not all of us have been born since '72...sorry, you're a better fan than me.
In all seriousness, chances are if the people that post on/read this board have the opportunity to go to games (tickets are available to them and they don't have other commitments and are in town), they are there. If you're a big enough fan to read and post on a fan forum, you probably go to the games when you can.
The student section sucks and has sucked for the last 4 years. It's not changing anytime soon.
Never Ending Scoop Topics:
1. The crowd attendance sucks
2. The student attendance sucks
3. The crowd won't wear gold
4. Tom Crean sucks
5. Let's restart football
6. Warriors
7. Does a walk-on use a scholarship
8. Marquette to NIT (after any loss)
9. Chicos
Recently Retired:
10. Non-conference strength of schedule sucks
+1
Really. Not like the Bucks are exactly tearing it up. Geez Louise.
You would have to pay me to go to a Bucks game, that is just awful to watch. We are talking about a talented top 20 team though. You would think you could get more than 10,000, of which maybe 1500 were students, to a conference game.
I thought the crowd for the Louisville game was the best of the year. I agree though, the student section has been oddly thin this year in particular.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on January 24, 2012, 11:12:35 PM
Never Ending Scoop Topics:
1. The crowd attendance sucks
2. The student attendance sucks
3. The crowd won't wear gold
4. Tom Crean sucks
5. Let's restart football
6. Warriors
7. Does a walk-on use a scholarship
8. Marquette to NIT (after any loss)
9. Chicos
Recently Retired:
10. Non-conference strength of schedule sucks
+1
BTW - what happened to Chicos?
Quote from: JoBo2756 on January 24, 2012, 11:20:19 PM
+1
BTW - what happened to Chicos?
Dude died in a hang-gliding accident
What an idiot! Mom! The meat loaf! We want it now!
Quote from: Andrew Siciliano's Ear on January 24, 2012, 11:19:58 PM
I thought the crowd for the Louisville game was the best of the year. I agree though, the student section has been oddly thin this year in particular.
Student section has been fine. Wealthy seats were hurting tonight.
Quote from: marqptm on January 24, 2012, 11:40:27 PM
Student section has been fine. Wealthy seats were hurting tonight.
Bullshit - Maybe 10 students in the 400 level. Lower bowl was 95% full. Maybe 1000 total up top.
South Florida on a tuesday. its always empty.
As a freshman, I've been going to these games since roughly 2002. The student section, while sized decently, doesn't cheer enough. My friends and I get to the BC around 3 hours before each game to get the best possible seats, in addition to almost losing our voices and the end of each game. Our cheers are unsynchronized and so many students do not cheer or get into the game. However, don't give the few of us dedicated students a bad rap for the entire section.
Quote from: mufansince72 on January 24, 2012, 11:47:09 PM
Bullcrap - Maybe 10 students in the 400 level. Lower bowl was 95% full. Maybe 1000 total up top.
Student section filled up 30% of the 400 by halftime, decent showing for USF.
Baselines were scare up top, maybe 90% full in the lower bowl. My row in 206 was 4 out 13 or so.
You know that MU is playing well when this thread appears.
Quote from: OXistheman on January 24, 2012, 11:52:13 PM
As a freshman, I've been going to these games since roughly 2002. The student section, while sized decently, doesn't cheer enough. My friends and I get to the BC around 3 hours before each game to get the best possible seats, in addition to almost losing our voices and the end of each game. Our cheers are unsynchronized and so many students do not cheer or get into the game. However, don't give the few of us dedicated students a bad rap for the entire section.
Someone paint this young man a mural!
No one cares though.
Quote from: marqptm on January 24, 2012, 11:53:13 PM
Baselines were scare up top, maybe 90% full in the lower bowl. My row in 206 was 4 out 13 or so.
Sick seats bro! Nice way to let us all know you donate enough to get lower bowl seats! Haha just kidding.
Quote from: OXistheman on January 24, 2012, 11:52:13 PM
As a freshman, I've been going to these games since roughly 2002. The student section, while sized decently, doesn't cheer enough. My friends and I get to the BC around 3 hours before each game to get the best possible seats, in addition to almost losing our voices and the end of each game. Our cheers are unsynchronized and so many students do not cheer or get into the game. However, don't give the few of us dedicated students a bad rap for the entire section.
You're awesome.
Quote from: marqptm on January 24, 2012, 11:55:30 PM
No one cares though.
Agreed.
Firstly, it's a 7:00pm game against a traditionally subpar opponent on a Tuesday, everybody needs to adjust their expectations accordingly. However:
Quote from: OXistheman on January 24, 2012, 11:52:13 PM
As a freshman, I've been going to these games since roughly 2002. The student section, while sized decently, doesn't cheer enough. My friends and I get to the BC around 3 hours before each game to get the best possible seats, in addition to almost losing our voices and the end of each game. Our cheers are unsynchronized and so many students do not cheer or get into the game. However, don't give the few of us dedicated students a bad rap for the entire section.
I agree with most of this, although I don't think the students are entirely to blame. 3 out of 4 cheers are uninteresting, unoriginal, or downright embarrassing. "Defense, Defense, Defense Get Some (or maybe it's "Let's Go", nobody seems to even know)!" Are you serious? Nobody is going to join in with a cheer like that.
Quote from: OXistheman on January 24, 2012, 11:52:13 PM
As a freshman, I've been going to these games since roughly 2002. The student section, while sized decently, doesn't cheer enough. My friends and I get to the BC around 3 hours before each game to get the best possible seats, in addition to almost losing our voices and the end of each game. Our cheers are unsynchronized and so many students do not cheer or get into the game. However, don't give the few of us dedicated students a bad rap for the entire section.
I thought I went to school a long time. Brother, is that you?
Outside of Syracuse, the Big East just isn't very good this year. And the sexual assaults have impacted the way both students and fans view some MU players.
And even though we all hate Crean, he was tireless when it came to PR for MU bball. He was on an ego trip, but he did connect with the student body.
Quote from: godzilla on January 25, 2012, 01:13:07 AM
Outside of Syracuse, the Big East just isn't very good this year. And the sexual assaults have impacted the way both students and fans view some MU players.
And people put these game-protesting thoughts away when we play on Saturdays at the BC? (ie near sell-outs for Pitt, Cincy, Gtown)
Talk about a slippery slope..........
It's a Tuesday vs USF. Sure we all wish the crowd would be better, but it is what it is.
Edit... I meant Tuesday, not Wednesday. Same thing.
Gametime should only be at 2:30 pm on Mondays.
Quote from: wardle2wade on January 25, 2012, 01:42:19 AM
And people put these game-protesting thoughts away when we play on Saturdays at the BC? (ie near sell-outs for Pitt, Cincy, Gtown)
Talk about a slippery slope..........
It's a Tuesday vs USF. Sure we all wish the crowd would be better, but it is what it is.
Edit... I meant Tuesday, not Wednesday. Same thing.
Crowd wasn't that good for Pitt, plenty of empty seats.
Did we have more than 650 students at the game? If so, the student section is better than Duke!
many of the games have been poorly attended and those in attendance have not been loud. i've never posted on this topic before, but i am a bit surprised this year. not sure if i'm correct in my comparison year-over-year, and the packer, etc. have played a role at times, but still pretty poor imho. i watched a group of about 30 kids from a youth group or inner-city school walk right past my seats to some upper level crap seats, all with big smiles on their faces. if you're not going to use the tickets drop them off at a school, church, youth organization, etc.
also believe i saw an obama big head with huge lips? not too sure because of the distance, but if the case, the racial undertones of something like that is pretty poor. approve or disapprove of the guy, doesn't make the school/student section look good, and if a recruit is in the house...probably not going to help. hoping i just couldn't see it well enough, but i did notice a BC employee walk up and tell them to put their big heads away.
was awesome to see jimmy butler back in the BC...as always a class act doing a ton of pics and autographs.
Quote from: JoBo2756 on January 24, 2012, 11:20:19 PM
+1
BTW - what happened to Chicos?
Don't want to get off topic but does someone seriously know where Chicos went? His rants drove me nuts but I did know the dude in college and I wondered if he quit or was lifetime-banned here.
That said, I thought the L'ville crowd was the best all year but still wasn't a great showing from the students. Don't quite understand why the student section has thinned in recent years. I thought last night's was about what I'd expect for a S. Florida weeknight game.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on January 24, 2012, 11:12:35 PM
Never Ending Scoop Topics:
1. The crowd attendance sucks
2. The student attendance sucks
3. The crowd won't wear gold
4. Tom Crean sucks
5. Let's restart football
6. Warriors
7. Does a walk-on use a scholarship
8. Marquette to NIT (after any loss)
9. Chicos
10. MU can't recruit bigs
Recently Retired:
11. Non-conference strength of schedule sucks
Quote from: godzilla on January 25, 2012, 01:13:07 AM
Outside of Syracuse, the Big East just isn't very good this year. And the sexual assaults have impacted the way both students and fans view some MU players.
And even though we all hate Crean, he was tireless when it came to PR for MU bball. He was on an ego trip, but he did connect with the student body.
Weak sauce. Other teams have had players that had run-ins with the law. My college career straddled the Majerus-Dukiet teams and I never missed a home game that was played while I was on campus. The student section would mock the sweater vests for their lack of energy, not the other way around. And those teams had weed users, a-holes, girlfriend beaters, doofuses on them. I will grant you that Crean worked very hard at PR. Also, with the transition to an AD, there may be a lull before new enticements to students get them to the game. Maybe it is that there are too many other entertainment options and that mile walk is too long for modern students. I don't know.
Quote from: mufansince72 on January 24, 2012, 11:06:03 PM
Students and fans should be upset with lack of support for this top twenty team. Barely 10 thousand tonight. Lame
Attendance was 13,693
http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=320240269
That's 2,000 more than the old arena held back in the pre-historic days.
Seriously, we have been through this over and over and every one of these threads are wrong.
MU draws THOUSANDS more a game than 'nova, Georgetown and St. Johns. We play ALL our games in an NBA arena. 'nova Georgetown and St. Johns only play selected games in an NBA arena because they cannot draw enough interest. We get 13,700 to freaking USF on a Tuesday night. GU and 'nova are jealous of our fan support as they could never draw that well for USF on a Tuesday night.
On the first page is a thread noting that Duke is down from 800 to 650 undergrads a game (and they don't have to pay for tickets!). We are ripping our student section a new one because they had 1,000 for a South Florida blow-out on a Tuesday night.
Bottom line, MU fan support is terrible but all the other schools are worse.
Edit: Added the part on red later
Sobelman's on campus has taken a lot of the student crowd away, through grease fatigue or laziness to get off the couch from obesity. Agree that PR is down from the Crean days - what do they pay Nelligan Sports for exactly? They haven't exactly done anything different in the past decade so hopefully they come cheap. And agree that no lower seats should be empty-give it away before letting it go unused.
84, you make a very good point. The games I went to were in the 11K seat Mecca. It did lend itself to a noisier atmosphere. The BC is a bad NBA arena. Attendance is higher. The students still need to bring the funk all of the time, though, and not just when the cameras are pointed at them.
Sorry I missed the game last night. I was on a plane flying home to Chicago. It was only my third 'miss' of the year. And I drive 100+ miles each way to get to the BC.
I've actually been reasonably pleased with the student section this year. The only real BEast test was the Louisville game as almost all of the kids had arrived back in town by then. Games over Christmas break always suffer and a Tuesday against USF is a fairly easy 'skip' game.
The one thing I don't quite understand are students who fail to purchase the ticket package at all. For $125 a year (up from $99 which might have been a mistake), a kid gets a great deal of entertainment value with his friends.
How many student tickets did MU sell this year?
Quote from: godzilla on January 25, 2012, 01:13:07 AM
Outside of Syracuse, the Big East just isn't very good this year. And the sexual assaults have impacted the way both students and fans view some MU players.
Is that another nugget from your niece?
Quote from: godzilla on January 25, 2012, 01:13:07 AM
And the sexual assaults have impacted the way both students and fans view some MU players.
Can someone refresh my memory here ...
Who was arrested for sexual assault? I remember no one being arrested
Who was investigated for sexual assault? I remember no one being investigated for sexual assault?
Who was investigated for sexual harassment? I remember that investigation but nothing came of it.
I also remember a player getting a city ticket for an incident at a Quiznos but last time I checked that was not sexual harassment.
Conclusion - attendance is down because of something that did not happen?
Quote from: boyonthedock on January 24, 2012, 11:50:07 PM
South Florida on a tuesday. its always empty.
Not to take this in a political discussion AT ALL, but don't forget the State of the Union address last night. I know that 1 guy in our season ticket group did not go to the game becuase of it.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on January 25, 2012, 06:01:03 AM
Did we have more than 650 students at the game? If so, the student section is better than Duke!
+1
Quote from: TallTitan34 on January 24, 2012, 11:12:35 PM
Never Ending Scoop Topics:
1. The crowd attendance sucks
2. The student attendance sucks
3. The crowd won't wear gold
4. Tom Crean sucks
5. Let's restart football
6. Warriors
7. Does a walk-on use a scholarship
8. Marquette to NIT (after any loss)
9. Chicos
Recently Retired:
10. Non-conference strength of schedule sucks
Well, I am still upset about the name change.....
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on January 25, 2012, 07:34:17 AM
Attendance was 13,693
http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=320240269
That's 2,000 more than the old arena held back in the pre-historic days.
Seriously, we have been through this over and over and every one of these threads are wrong.
MU draws THOUSANDS more a game than 'nova, Georgetown and St. Johns. We play ALL our games in an NBA arena. 'nova Georgetown and St. Johns only play selected games in an NBA arena because they cannot draw enough interest. We get 13,700 to freaking USF on a Tuesday night. GU and 'nova are jealous of our fan support as they could never draw that well for USF on a Tuesday night.
On the first page is a thread noting that Duke is down from 800 to 650 undergrads a game (and they don't have to pay for tickets!). We are ripping our student section a new one because they had 1,000 for a South Florida blow-out on a Tuesday night.
Bottom line, MU fan support is terrible but all the other schools are worse.
Edit: Added the part on red later
All of Georgetown's games are played in the Verizon Center.
Quote from: jaybilaswho? on January 25, 2012, 08:29:52 AM
Not to take this in a political discussion AT ALL, but don't forget the State of the Union address last night. I know that 1 guy in our season ticket group did not go to the game becuase of it.
This is the most compelling argument to attend the game.
selected BE attendance numbers from last year.
#11 Marquette Golden Eagles - 280,545 - 15,586 - 18 games
#25 Georgetown Hoyas - 177,448 - 12,675 - 14 games
#32 Connecticut Huskies - 196,671 - 11,569 - 17 games
#38 Villanova Wildcats - 178,692 - 10,511 - 17 games
If we suck, the rest have already swallowed.
(FYI - we were third in the BE is attendance behind #2 Syracuse and #3 Louisville)
Quote from: jaybilaswho? on January 25, 2012, 08:29:52 AM
Not to take this in a political discussion AT ALL, but don't forget the State of the Union address last night. I know that 1 guy in our season ticket group did not go to the game becuase of it.
Has the rest of the group thought about an intervention?
Noticed this at the Louisville game and heard it again last night...what is up with the student section chanting during OUR players' free throws?? Jae missed the front end of a double bonus shot and right as he released the ball, there was a loud group cheer. I can't imagine there were enough USF fans there to make that much noise heckling a free throw shooter.
Quote from: jaybilaswho? on January 25, 2012, 08:29:52 AM
Not to take this in a political discussion AT ALL, but don't forget the State of the Union address last night. I know that 1 guy in our season ticket group did not go to the game becuase of it.
He must really like campaign speeches.
Quote from: 96warrior on January 25, 2012, 09:04:12 AM
Noticed this at the Louisville game and heard it again last night...what is up with the student section chanting during OUR players' free throws?? Jae missed the front end of a double bonus shot and right as he released the ball, there was a loud group cheer. I can't imagine there were enough USF fans there to make that much noise heckling a free throw shooter.
In that instance, Anderson had just fouled out for USF and they were doing the "left, right, sit down!" bit. Anderson sat down just as Jae shot the free throw, and the crowd yelled "sit down" at that moment. If it was planned by Anderson, it was a smart move, but our crowd has to pay attention to the situation.
All of the BE games up until last nights game were during break. That takes away roughly 1/2 of the students from being on campus. The announced attendance may have been 13k last night, but there is no way more than 10k were there.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 25, 2012, 08:58:46 AM
Has the rest of the group thought about an intervention?
Friends don't let friends watch the (oh wait, I'm getting off topic....)
Quote from: jaybilaswho? on January 25, 2012, 08:29:52 AM
Not to take this in a political discussion AT ALL, but don't forget the State of the Union address last night. I know that 1 guy in our season ticket group did not go to the game becuase of it.
Geez, I am probably as liberal as anyone on this board and I was following the game on-line rather than watch the SOTU. Where are his priorities?
Quote from: MUStudent on January 25, 2012, 12:34:17 AM
Firstly, it's a 7:00pm game against a traditionally subpar opponent on a Tuesday, everybody needs to adjust their expectations accordingly.
Are you claiming that a 7.00 P.M. start is somehow bad to attract fans?
And why is Tuesday bad for attracting fans? Forgive me, but I can't imagine that many Milwaukeeans have bulging diaries on the day to the point where the crowd turns out around 10,000.
I get South Florida isn't sexy, especially to a city that is bandwagon-centric after our core base of 10-11,000, but when does the mindset change from wanting to see a good opponent to wanting to see my own team regardless of opponent?
I've been a long time observer of the BC, its attendance, and general atmosphere.
There's no doubt that the general crowd involvement/excitement has gone down over the years. There are some obvious reasons.
The expectations of MU fans are waaaay different in 2012 than they were in 1990, 1995, 2000, etc. Now, we expect MU to beat up on inferior teams, without fan "involvement." Fans expect MU to beat USF, SJU, Seton Hall (arguable), Cincy, Rutgers, not to mention Winthrop, Jacksonville, etc .. so BC people are not into the game, hanging on each bucket or rebound.
There are only a few "special" games each year, where the BC is (more) electrified. The UW game is a good example (every other year.)
Add to that .. I'll bet the 10 center sections' average age is many years older than it was in 2000. The older you get, the more likely you are to just sit and observe the game. -- Even worse .. All the fresh new, excitable and potentially loud Season Ticket Holders are shelved in the sleepy upper deck. By the time they get seats in the lower bowl, they've been conditioned to sit on their hands.
And I wish that all weren't so .. I like the on-floor basketball, but I'm really there for the excitement, the atmosphere .. the games I enjoy the most are the ones I have shouted the most. There are plenty of opportunities for fans to make noise, I am surprised and disappointed at how infrequently they do.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on January 25, 2012, 08:29:22 AM
Can someone refresh my memory here ...
Who was arrested for sexual assault? I remember no one being arrested
Who was investigated for sexual assault? I remember no one being investigated for sexual assault?
Who was investigated for sexual harassment? I remember that investigation but nothing came of it.
I also remember a player getting a city ticket for an incident at a Quiznos but last time I checked that was not sexual harassment.
Conclusion - attendance is down because of something that did not happen?
Thank you!
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on January 25, 2012, 08:29:22 AM
Can someone refresh my memory here ...
Who was arrested for sexual assault? I remember no one being arrested
Who was investigated for sexual assault? I remember no one being investigated for sexual assault?
Who was investigated for sexual harassment? I remember that investigation but nothing came of it.
I also remember a player getting a city ticket for an incident at a Quiznos but last time I checked that was not sexual harassment.
Conclusion - attendance is down because of something that did not happen?
Perception trumps reality for some. Truth is there is a good chunk of students who don't view the team and/or certain players in a positive light. While this is certainly not a majority, it's probably enough to prevent the students from filling the upper deck, even against premier opponents.
Quote from: tower912 on January 25, 2012, 09:22:59 AM
Geez, I am probably as liberal as anyone on this board and I was following the game on-line rather than watch the SOTU. Where are his priorities?
Don't worry tower, the iaff will give you your marching orders. ;D
I've routinely gone against them in primaries. And they aren't always liberal enough for me.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on January 25, 2012, 09:29:02 AM
I've been a long time observer of the BC, its attendance, and general atmosphere.
There's no doubt that the general crowd involvement/excitement has gone down over the years.
Add to that .. I'll bet the 10 center sections' average age is many years older than it was in 2000. The older you get, the more likely you are to just sit and observe the game. -- Even worse .. All the fresh new, excitable and potentially loud Season Ticket Holders are shelved in the sleepy upper deck. By the time they get seats in the lower bowl, they've been conditioned to sit on their hands.
I get what you say mu hilltopper. Reseating put us in some outstanding upper bowl seats. I won't mention exactly where because I'll be sitting by these folks for some time. As early 80s graduates (you do the math), we are by far the youngest folks in the immediate area. And while I understand that someone in their upper 70s might not participate in 'Jump Around', I have to say the totally sitting on one's hands while wearing the gold sweatervest doesn't lead to a lot of energy in the building.
I was on one occasion somewhat miffed when this same group took exception to some younger folks who had legitimately sat in adjacent seats (maybe via a Stubhub purchase, etc.) and stood occasionally to cheer partially obstructing their view.
I'll take my late father's philosophy: "Why the heck would I ever want to live in an age restricted community? Nothing but complaining old people and no pretty girls."
The enthusiasm (or lack thereof) is definitely contagious. We need to cheer more and louder, and get the people we bring to the games to do the same. Get your own section going a little bit. It helps. We are either part of the problem or part of the solution.
As for the Tuesday nights...
Everybody in town likes to go out and do something on Friday night and Saturday night. Lots of the older folks and parents with kids don't really care to go out on a week night because it's a school night, there's work the next day, it's harder to get babysitters, blah blah blah
Also, there's way less drinking on a Tuesday than on a Saturday. Especially for grownups. That leads to less noise and less enthusiasm in the building.
Quote from: dwaderoy2004 on January 25, 2012, 09:12:51 AM
In that instance, Anderson had just fouled out for USF and they were doing the "left, right, sit down!" bit. Anderson sat down just as Jae shot the free throw, and the crowd yelled "sit down" at that moment. If it was planned by Anderson, it was a smart move, but our crowd has to pay attention to the situation.
Oh, ok...thanks for that clarification!
EDIT: my bad, didn't read the thread about "Automatic" before posting this. That really is the most ridiculous thing ever. Who chants during their players' free throws?!?
Is Pottawatomie serious about building an arena in the valley?
This is about the only way we can change our home court in the next 30 years.
Another factor has to be that so many games are on TV. During the dead of winter a lot of students and other fans would rather stay in and get the game on TV.
Also, as for Tuesday nights, you have to realize that there are a ton of MU full or partial season ticket holders who do not live near the Bradley Center. Many are in Chicago or other place over an hour from Milwaukee. Those fans simply can't get to the BC for a 7 PM game on Tuesday but will make the trip for a Saturday game against a big name opponent.
We live almost two hours away. It's hard to drive to week day games because of work and the drive time. Wish more home games were on week-ends. Also, it should be noted that just about every game is televised now.
TV definitely has an impact on the crowd to some degree. However, I do think there are other factors that play into. In my family we have twelve season tickets and every game this season I have received calls from family members wantiing to know if we need additional tickets. The ages of season ticket holders in my family ranges from 28-75, so a good spread to judge from. Usually the one's not going are out of laziness and not other activities.
In my opinion, MU and Buzz have not done a great job marketing the program and/or its players. Times have changed and you need to give people a reason to get downtown. I have had more MU chatter amongst old classmates and friends than usual, but most is online chatter and not at the game talk.
This is an exciting team with high entertainment value in my opinion. Wish there was a way to get the students to buy into more.
Quote from: frozena pizza on January 25, 2012, 10:16:57 AM
Another factor has to be that so many games are on TV. During the dead of winter a lot of students and other fans would rather stay in and get the game on TV.
Also, as for Tuesday nights, you have to realize that there are a ton of MU full or partial season ticket holders who do not live near the Bradley Center. Many are in Chicago or other place over an hour from Milwaukee. Those fans simply can't get to the BC for a 7 PM game on Tuesday but will make the trip for a Saturday game against a big name opponent.
I think just the opposite. Lived in Chicago for six years whilst being a STH. The 7.00 P.M. start is the optimal slot for that drive. The early game at 6.00 P.M. is hard due to school/work/traffic whereas the late game at 8.00 P.M. is the one you slag off laziness on.
The weak economy line always strikes me funny. The problem isn't tickets sold as that number is always impressive. People are actually
spending their discretionary income; they're simply not
attending the game. Weird.
At some point, it'd be interesting to see the number of STHs who buy simply to go to four or five of the "sexy" opponents since they feel the mini-packs don't serve their needs. Afterall, it seems the opponent matters more to many fans than Marquette does.
Nationally MU is the only non-football team in the top 20 of attendance. Translated, it does not have a undergrad population of 20,000 to 40,000 to fill a stadium that sits on its campus. Given that constraint, its attendance numbers are a remarkable achievement.
This thread is about a problem that 99% of the schools would love to have, including Duke. MU sold 13,700 tickets to a game with a school no one cares about. Maybe a 1,000 to 1,500 students showed up, which is twice what Duke gets.
What is the problem?
Quote from: RJax55 on January 24, 2012, 11:54:55 PM
You know that MU is playing well when this thread appears.
Yeah, that, and psychoanalysts wondering about players' demeanors. When we win, people have to scrape the bottom of the barrel, I guess.
Golden--
I do think the economy does play into for non student STH. I have heard from many friends and family over past couple years is they look at the tickets as their contributing to the school. Usually that is followed by "why compound the waste of money (on bad game night) by paying for parking, dinner or drinks?"
I will admit there have been a couple of times I have made similar decision. I realize there are parking options and not a need to go for dinner or drinks, but having gone to games for 40 years dinner and drinks is part of the event. Nothing I enjoy more than a fun pregame crowd at a bar to make the night more exciting.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on January 25, 2012, 11:50:42 AM
This thread is about a problem that 99% of the schools would love to have, including Duke. MU sold 13,700 tickets to a game with a school no one cares about. What is the problem?
The problem is .. it's not all about attendance figures.
I'd rather be a part of 5,000 rowdy fans than 19,000 quiet fans, politely gazing on the game. I imagine the team would agree. MU's accountants are the ones who would disagree.
Quote from: Goose on January 25, 2012, 12:09:55 PM
Golden--
I do think the economy does play into for non student STH. I have heard from many friends and family over past couple years is they look at the tickets as their contributing to the school. Usually that is followed by "why compound the waste of money (on bad game night) by paying for parking, dinner or drinks?"
I will admit there have been a couple of times I have made similar decision. I realize there are parking options and not a need to go for dinner or drinks, but having gone to games for 40 years dinner and drinks is part of the event. Nothing I enjoy more than a fun pregame crowd at a bar to make the night more exciting.
I can see that part of it but it still strikes me strange.
Certainly, if the person is willing to drop $300-800 on a packet but isn't all that bothered with missing games during the season why don't they stop wasting most of that money and buy a mini-pack (and even add some other games through secondary) and use the extra cash saved for the dinner and drinks?
In the end, it's discretionary cash and people can use it to waste or use it to indulge. That's the beauty of it. And, full disclosure, I know my thinking is colored by living in New Jersey and not being able to attend as many games as I'd like.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on January 25, 2012, 08:58:04 AM
selected BE attendance numbers from last year.
#11 Marquette Golden Eagles - 280,545 - 15,586 - 18 games
#25 Georgetown Hoyas - 177,448 - 12,675 - 14 games
#32 Connecticut Huskies - 196,671 - 11,569 - 17 games
#38 Villanova Wildcats - 178,692 - 10,511 - 17 games
If we suck, the rest have already swallowed.
(FYI - we were third in the BE is attendance behind #2 Syracuse and #3 Louisville)
And unlike Marquette, I believe neither Louisville nor Syracuse has any professional teams or other D1 sports programs to compete with for ticket dollars. Makes our numbers even more impressive.
Quote from: Goose on January 25, 2012, 12:09:55 PM
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I do think the economy does play into for non student STH. I have heard from many friends and family over past couple years is they look at the tickets as their contributing to the school. Usually that is followed by "why compound the waste of money (on bad game night) by paying for parking, dinner or drinks?"
I love having season tickets; my wife and I are both alums, we take the kids, accumulate points, and feel like we are giving back to MU in exchange for a relatively-inexpensive good time.
That said, we drive 80 miles each way to get to a game, I drink $22.50 in Miller Lite while there (which is a neccessity...damnit), and pay $5 to park on the other side of the convention center. We leave at 5:00 for a 7:00 tipoff and get home usually around 11:00. We go to damn near every game, but the few times we do stay home we do save a nice chunk of change and time. (Tickets themselves are only $18.15/each).
Quote from: warriorchick on January 25, 2012, 03:57:05 PM
And unlike Marquette, I believe neither Louisville nor Syracuse has any professional teams or other D1 sports programs to compete with for ticket dollars. Makes our numbers even more impressive.
Mu enrollment - 8,000
Syracuse enrollment - 20,000
Louisville enrollment - 19,700
Given their size relative to MU means they also have several thousand more students that can attend. It also means they have tens of thousands of more alumni with an allegiance to the school.
Given all this you would think we would have a hard time drawing more than 10,000 a game, like 'nova. Instead we draw like a large state school that has a football program that gets 80,000 on a fall Saturday.
MU stands alone in its ability to draw fans when compared to other basketball only private institution (only non-football school in the top 20 of national attendance). We know know it draws better than Duke for crying out loud! Our ability to fill an NBA arena with only 8,000 undergrad (something Georgetown cannot do!) is one of the biggest assets of our program.
Yet this thread is about how our crowds "suck." Some people are so clueless.
Quote from: monkeyman34 on January 25, 2012, 09:19:01 AM
All of the BE games up until last nights game were during break. That takes away roughly 1/2 of the students from being on campus. The announced attendance may have been 13k last night, but there is no way more than 10k were there.
Did you count?
Quote from: warriorchick on January 25, 2012, 03:57:05 PM
And unlike Marquette, I believe neither Louisville nor Syracuse has any professional teams or other D1 sports programs to compete with for ticket dollars. Makes our numbers even more impressive.
Except City of Louisville splits roughly half of the people that would want to attend a college basketball game with UK fans.
Quote from: Steve Buscemi on January 25, 2012, 06:19:46 PM
Except City of Louisville splits roughly half of the people that would want to attend a college basketball game with UK fans.
Ummm.....Kentucky is about an hour and a half away from Louisville. About the same distance as Marquette is from University of Wisconsin-Madison. But I am sure there aren't many Badger fans in Milwaukee.
I might get grilled for this, but I don't really care.
I am student. I have gone to most games while being a student at MU. Most of the ones I have missed have been due to not being in Milwaukee. But, I get why some students don't go to the games. Watching the game from the upper deck sucks, the tickets have gotten to be more expensive in recent years (although they are still quite affordable), and watching from the TV while enjoying several brews that are not $8 a pop doesn't suck.
In addition, I consider myself a pretty big MU fan. I have watched every single game in the past three seasons, and I get super excited about every single one of them. With that said, when I go to the games, I prefer to sit down. I don't feel the need to stand up and partake in all of the student cheers. I get up and get pumped at exciting times, obviously, but I don't stand up and act like a buffoon the whole game. Does that make me a shitty fan? I sure don't think so. I follow the team a lot more than most of the people who do partake.
I think the crowds are fine. They definitely need to stop saying "the best student section in the country", however. It is hardly that. But when you get an average at best Big East team on weekday night, most student ticket holders who aren't huge fans are not going to go to the game. Get used to it. The students largely get up for the big games against top 25 opponents.
Duke can't fill their student section of 1,200.
http://www.dukechronicle.com/article/low-attendance-forces-duke-athletics-sell-student-seats
Quote from: mupanther on January 25, 2012, 07:51:57 PM
Duke can't fill their student section of 1,200.
http://www.dukechronicle.com/article/low-attendance-forces-duke-athletics-sell-student-seats
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Quote from: warriorchick on January 25, 2012, 06:36:51 PM
Ummm.....Kentucky is about an hour and a half away from Louisville. About the same distance as Marquette is from University of Wisconsin-Madison. But I am sure there aren't many Badger fans in Milwaukee.
Distance doesn't matter. In that state, basketball is life. And in Louisville it is about 50/50 on UL vs. UK fans.
If you go there, its very evident. Kentuckians have no Packers/Bucks teams to root for. Either you're a Wildcat or you're a Card.
Quote from: Steve Buscemi on January 25, 2012, 08:52:18 PM
Distance doesn't matter. In that state, basketball is life. And in Louisville it is about 50/50 on UL vs. UK fans.
If you go there, its very evident. Kentuckians have no Packers/Bucks teams to root for. Either you're a Wildcat or you're a Card.
You're actually agreeing with my original point. Marquette has great attendance even though they have competition from the Packers and Bucks, as well as UW and UW-M (ha!).
And I understand the whole thing about college sports being everything. I grew up in Nashville before it had any professional sports - not even minor league baseball. People would daytrip to Knoxville (4 hours away) to see decent sporting events.
I'm an older alum & if the university could find a way to set aside a section for those of us who WANT to clap and sing and act like collegians again, that's where I'd want to sit.
Im a 19 year old college student from a private college 15 minutes away from Marquette...I have bought my own season tickets 2 years in a row now in section 412. I feel like I am more dedicated and get more into the games than the students do.(The fans in front of me know that) ;D I wish I could get into the student section to get people going...they need some work...
Quote from: warriorchick on January 25, 2012, 09:28:26 PM
You're actually agreeing with my original point. Marquette has great attendance even though they have competition from the Packers and Bucks, as well as UW and UW-M (ha!).
And I understand the whole thing about college sports being everything. I grew up in Nashville before it had any professional sports - not even minor league baseball. People would daytrip to Knoxville (4 hours away) to see decent sporting events.
Warriorchick has 69 posts...It had to be said.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 25, 2012, 10:38:00 PM
Warriorchick has 69 posts...It had to be said.
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Above is the post of the day!
I love going to games. We found the 400 tickets are ok but the players look like ants running up and down. Prefer the lower tickets when available. I went to every game as a student and when we go to a few games now each year it makes us feel connected to MU. Always loved Marquette basketball and always will. Go MU!!!
Here is the NCAA basketball attendance stats
http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/m_basketball_RB/Reports/attendanceYBYtop25.pdf
Its shows the top 10 nationally from 1970 to 1977. 1978 forward is top 25
Here is MU numbers
National
Year Rank Avg Attendance
1970 to 1977 not in top 10
1978 21 10,938
1979 not in top 25
1980 23 10,671
1981 22 10,842
1982 19 10,986
1983 19 10,881
1984 to 1988 not in top 25
1989 - Moved to Bradley Center
1989 23 11,954
1990 21 13,301
1991 18 13,433
1992 not in top 25
1993 20 13,443
1994 14 14,340
1995 25 12,814
1996 16 12,751
1997 to 2001 not in top 25
2002 12 12,680
2003 11 15,553
2004 12 15,291
2005 21 11,965
2006 18 13,998
2007 20 15,345
2008 14 16,239
2009 10 16,200
2010 10 15,617
2011 11 15,586
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The four best years for MU are the last four years. MU's numbers get better over time, not worse.
Those that think our crowds suck now either forgot or were not paying attention in 1997 to 2001.
If the availability of TV is hurting attendance, I don't see it.
Again, this thread is about a problem that does not exist.
The point of this thread isn't that MU's attendance numbers "suck," as clearly being in the top 10-20 in the country means we're doing very well, numerically.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on January 26, 2012, 09:48:16 AM
The point of this thread isn't that MU's attendance numbers "suck," as clearly being in the top 10-20 in the country means we're doing very well, numerically.
Actually it is ... here is the first post
Quote from: mufansince72 on January 24, 2012, 11:06:03 PM
Students and fans should be upset with lack of support for this top twenty team. Barely 10 thousand tonight. Lame
Again note that the actual attendance was 13,700 not "barely 10,000" as was an inaccurate statement to start this thread.
I think everybody is being too hard on the fans. I'm not sure if any fans in the country would have "great" energy for a midweek game against an average opponent like USF. I'd love for every game to be like Louisville too, but that sort of expectation just isn't realistic.
Quote from: MUStudent on January 26, 2012, 10:00:24 AM
I think everybody is being too hard on the fans. I'm not sure if any fans in the country would have "great" energy for a midweek game against an average opponent like USF. I'd love for every game to be like Louisville too, but that sort of expectation just isn't realistic.
Louisville fans were very energetic last night for a midweek game against an average opponent like Nova.
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on January 26, 2012, 10:08:55 AM
Louisville fans were very energetic last night for a midweek game against an average opponent like Nova.
They were quite energetic when booing the team at halftime.
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on January 26, 2012, 10:08:55 AM
Louisville fans were very energetic last night for a midweek game against an average opponent like Nova.
Nova is a big name that has been really good for a long time. And the game was on ESPN.
http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/46126/pittsburgh-gets-a-win-but-fans-stay-away (http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/46126/pittsburgh-gets-a-win-but-fans-stay-away)
obviously pitt sucks this year, but yikes.
people can complain about lack of cheering and noise some nights, but stop complaining about numbers.
Quote from: warriorchick on January 26, 2012, 08:01:54 AM
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You are too frickin funny warriorchick. Did you grow up with older brothers?
Quote from: ringout on January 26, 2012, 11:38:22 AM
You are too frickin funny warriorchick. Did you grow up with older brothers?
Even better. Younger ones.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on January 26, 2012, 09:53:30 AM
Actually it is ... here is the first post
Again note that the actual attendance was 13,700 not "barely 10,000" as was an inaccurate statement to start this thread.
Paid attendance may have been 13,700, but I would doubt there were even 10,000 there. You need to have about 5700 people in the upper level to get to 13,700. No way there were more than 2,000 up there, if that!
Quote from: mufansince72 on January 26, 2012, 12:13:43 PM
Paid attendance may have been 13,700, but I would doubt there were even 10,000 there. You need to have about 5700 people in the upper level to get to 13,700. No way there were more than 2,000 up there, if that!
Well, I would consider this matter case closed. Think my favorite part of this post is the "if that!"
Quote from: warriorchick on January 26, 2012, 11:44:32 AM
Even better. Younger ones.
So you were the one doing the teaching...excellent.