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That's the only reasonable explanation as to why he could have them as a #2 seed (we're a #6 seed) in his latest bracketology. Are you kidding me?

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/bracketology (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/bracketology)

Quote from: windyplayer on January 18, 2012, 11:51:02 PM
That's the only reasonable explanation as to why he could have them as a #2 seed (we're a #6 seed) in his latest bracketology. Are you kidding me?

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/bracketology (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/bracketology)

They're 15-3 and 4-1 and in first place of the B1G.  Can't really justify putting OSU ahead of them, and OSU doesn't deserve to be much lower.  Right now they probably deserve that.

Illinois would be tuuuuuurrible overrated as a 4 seed, let alone a 2 seed.  Other than a good laugh looking at these bracket projections this early serves no purpose.

It's going to be interesting to see where Murray State gets seeded (especially if they go undefeated, which I don't think will happen).

I know the subject was written in jest, but he's a Purdue alum

Aren't these done as "if the season ended today"?  I'm not sure if that is the case, but if it is they would have a really good seed.

yes it's "as if the season ended today".  the first place team in the big ten gets a 2 seed.  why is this surprising?  they won't end there, but that's not the purpose of the exercise right now.

Quote from: foreverwarriors on January 19, 2012, 10:25:33 AM
I know the subject was written in jest, but he's a Purdue alum

Maybe he's Hoopaloop

Quote from: wadesworld on January 19, 2012, 12:07:30 AM
They're 15-3 and 4-1 and in first place of the B1G. 

That's pretty impressive for right now, deserving of a high seed. 

Again, there's still a TON of games left. 

Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 19, 2012, 10:45:23 AM
Maybe he's Hoopaloop

Maybe we can get Hoopaloop to ask Chicos to ask Jerry Palm how soft this year's bubble is?

Quote from: dwaderoy2004 on January 19, 2012, 10:40:43 AM
yes it's "as if the season ended today".  the first place team in the big ten gets a 2 seed.  why is this surprising?  they won't end there, but that's not the purpose of the exercise right now.

Which is why "as if the season ended today" brackets are worthless.  Some schedules are front loaded, some are backloaded, some teams had injuries, suspensions, etc.  Is there any bracket out there that takes a forward look at actually trying to project what the bracket will be at season's end?  I thought about doing something like this using rpiforecast.com and Pomeroy's predicted records, but if it's already out there I'd rather not go through all that leg work.

Quote from: Jamailman on January 19, 2012, 10:54:46 AM
Which is why "as if the season ended today" brackets are worthless.  Some schedules are front loaded, some are backloaded, some teams had injuries, suspensions, etc.  Is there any bracket out there that takes a forward look at actually trying to project what the bracket will be at season's end?  I thought about doing something like this using rpiforecast.com and Pomeroy's predicted records, but if it's already out there I'd rather not go through all that leg work.

Exactly. "Snapshots" at this point of the season are worthless. A "predictive" bracketology site? That would make for interesting reading and discussion.

Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 19, 2012, 11:16:23 AM
Exactly. "Snapshots" at this point of the season are worthless. A "predictive" bracketology site? That would make for interesting reading and discussion.

I started putting one together, but like I said it's a lot of leg work.  If there is a site out there that already does this, I'd rather just take a look at that.  Otherwise I'll bite the bullet and do it myself.

Anybody else cringe when they read the title of this ?

Quote from: elephantraker on January 19, 2012, 11:28:13 AM
Anybody else cringe when they read the title of this ?

Yes.  Makes me wonder how many scoopers actually went to classes and graduated....

I don't get why people get in such an uproar about rankings and bracketology, they're supposed to be entertaining and one way to see how your team or another stacks up against the rest of the country.  If you don't like 'em, don't pay attention to them, it's really that simple.  A predicted bracketology would be equally as "worthless" too.

Quote from: LAZER on January 19, 2012, 11:33:44 AM
I don't get why people get in such an uproar about rankings and bracketology, they're supposed to be entertaining and one way to see how your team or another stacks up against the rest of the country.  If you don't like 'em, don't pay attention to them, it's really that simple.  A predicted bracketology would be equally as "worthless" too.

I think it would be a lot more accurate, but obviously just as meaningless.  Which is why I wanted to do one, to see how it would stack up against "if the season ended today" brackets that are wildly off this far out from Selection Sunday.

Quote from: Lighthouse 84 on January 19, 2012, 11:33:02 AM
Yes.  Makes me wonder how many scoopers actually went to classes and graduated....

Could have been worse.  Must of went to Illinois.

Quote from: elephantraker on January 19, 2012, 11:28:13 AM
Anybody else cringe when they read the title of this ?

Guilty, I should have used "gone" instead of "went." Not sure it's cringeworthy nor warrants an attack on Scoopers' education as a whole, but that's ultimately your opinion.

Quote from: LAZER on January 19, 2012, 11:33:44 AM
I don't get why people get in such an uproar about rankings and bracketology, they're supposed to be entertaining and one way to see how your team or another stacks up against the rest of the country.  If you don't like 'em, don't pay attention to them, it's really that simple.  A predicted bracketology would be equally as "worthless" too.

I'm just a little confused as to how a team that has two quality wins (both coming at home--one at the UC) can be a #2 seed.

Quote from: windyplayer on January 19, 2012, 12:22:30 PM
Guilty, I should have used "gone" instead of "went." Not sure it's cringeworthy nor warrants an attack on Scoopers' education as a whole, but that's ultimately your opinion.

Well, it's certainly mockable.  ;D

Quote from: windyplayer on January 19, 2012, 12:26:53 PM
I'm just a little confused as to how a team that has two quality wins (both coming at home--one at the UC) can be a #2 seed.

They have a really good win against OSU, they're #1 in their conference, worse loss is @Purdue, RPI of 14, SoS of 25.  I think you'll have a hard time finding 8 teams with definitively better resumes at this point.  I would be shocked if they ended up with a 2 seed in March, but right now I think they have a very strong case.  There aren't too many better resumes...

Syracuse, Duke, Baylor, Kansas, Kentukcy, G'Town?, UNC?, MSU?, UNLV?

Quote from: windyplayer on January 19, 2012, 12:26:53 PM
I'm just a little confused as to how a team that has two quality wins (both coming at home--one at the UC) can be a #2 seed.

Top 25 teams with top 25 wins (at time of game) and true road wins:

1. Syracuse 20-0 (7-0 BE)
Top 25 Wins: vs. Florida at home, vs. Marquette at home
True Road Wins: at NC State, at Depaul, at Providence, at Villinova

2. Kentucky 18-1 (4-0 SEC)
Top 25 Wins: vs. Kansas at home, vs. UNC at home, vs. Louisville at home
True Road Wins: at Auburn, at Tennessee, at Providence

3. Baylor 17-1 (4-1 Big 12)
Top 25 Wins: vs. Mississippi State neutral site, at Kansas State
True Road Wins: at Northwestern, at BYU, at Texas Tech, at Kansas State

4. Duke 15-2 (3-0 ACC)
Top 25 Wins: vs. Michigan neutral site, vs. Kansas neutral site, vs. Virginia at home
True Road Wins: at Georgia Tech, at Clemson

5. Missouri 17-1 (4-1 Big 12)
Top 25 Wins: vs. Cal neutral site, vs. Illinois neutral site
True Road Wins: at Old Dominion, at Iowa State

6. Ohio State 16-3 (4-2 B1G)
Top 25 Wins: vs. Florida at home, vs. Duke at home, vs. Indiana at home
True Road Wins: at South Carolina, at Iowa

7. Kansas 15-3 (5-0 Big 12)
Top 25 Wins: vs. Ohio State at home (without Sullinger), vs. Kansas State at home, vs. Baylor at home
True Road Wins: at USC, at Oklahoma, at Texas Tech

8. North Carolina 15-3 (2-1 ACC)
Top 25 Wins: vs. Wisconsin at home
True Road Wins: at. UNC Ashville

9. Michigan State 15-4 (4-2 B1G)
Top 25 Wins: vs. Gonzaga away, vs. Indiana at home, vs. Wisconsin away
True Road Wins: at EMU, at Gonzaga, at Nebraska, at Wisconsin

10. Georgetown 15-3 (5-2 BE)
Top 25 Wins: vs. Memphis neutral site, vs. Alabama away, vs. Louisville away, vs. Marquette home
True Road Wins: at Alabama, at Louisville, St. Johns, at Depaul

11. Indiana 15-4 (3-4 B1G)
Top 25 Wins: vs. Kentucky at home, vs. Ohio State at home, vs. Michigan at home
True Road Wins: at Evansville, at NC State, at Penn State

12. Murray State 19-0 (7-0 OVC)
Top 25 Wins: vs. Memphis away (no more on schedule)
True Road Wins: at Morgan State, at UAB, at UAA, at Western Kentucky, at Memphis, at EIU, at Austin Peay, at Morehead State

13. Connecticut 14-4 (4-3 BE)
Top 25 Wins: vs. Florida State neutral site, vs. Harvard at home
True Road Wins: at South Floirda, at Notre Dame

14. UNLV
Top 25 Wins: vs. UNC "neutral" site (in Las Vegas), vs. Illinois at home
True Road Wins: at UCSB, at Hawaii, at CSB

15. Virginia 14-2 (1-1 ACC)
Top 25 Wins: vs. Michigan at home
True Road Wins: at Oregon, at Seattle, at LSU

16. San Diego State 16-2 (2-0 MWC)
Top 25 Wins: vs. Arizona away, vs. Cal at home, vs. UNLV at home
True Road Wins: at Arizona, at UCSB, at San Diego, at New Mexico

17. Florida 14-4 (2-1 SEC)
Top 25 Wins: vs. Texas A&M neutral site
True Road Wins: at South Carolina

18. Mississippi State 15-4 (2-2 SEC)
Top 25 Wins: vs. Texas A&M neutral site, vs. Arizona neutral site
True Road Wins: at Detroit

19. Creighton 16-2 (7-1 MVC)
Top 25 Wins: none (and none on their schedule)
True Road Wins: at UAB, at SDSU, at Tulsa, at Wichita State, at Bradley, at Illinois State, at Missouri State

20. Michigan 15-4 (5-2 B1G)
Top 25 Wins: vs. Memphis neutral site, vs. Wisconsin at home, vs. Michigan State at home
True Road Wins: at Oakland, at Iowa

21. Marquette 14-4 (4-2 BE)
Top 25 Wins: vs. Wisconsin away, vs. Louisville at home
True Road Wins: at Wisconsin

22. Illinois 15-3 (4-1 B1G)
Top 25 Wins: vs. Gonzaga at home, vs. Ohio State at home
True Road Wins: at Maryland, at Northwestern

23. Louisville 14-5 (2-4 BE)
Top 25 Wins: vs. Vanderbilt at home (no Ezili)
True Road Wins: at Butler, at St. Johns

24. St. Mary's 17-2 (6-0 WCC)
Top 25 Wins: vs. Gonzaga at home (and none left on their schedule)
True Road Wins: at CP, at Pepperdine, at San Diego

25. Kansas State 13-4 (2-3 Big 12)
Top 25 Wins: vs. Alabama at home, vs. Missouri at home
True Road Wins: at Virginia Tech

Illinois has 2 wins over teams that were ranked in the top 25 when they played them and 2 true road wins (both against high-major conference teams).  This is better than some and worse than some, but just about on par for top 25 teams.  Let's face it, we're just about 3 weeks into the conference schedule.  Not very many top 25 teams play tough out of conference schedules, and even less go on true road games.  Big games come in the conference season, and we're very early into that portion of the schedule.  Sitting atop the B1G, Illinois would deserve a 2 seed as of today.  They have done just as much as most teams out there.

Illinois loses at Penn State.  Hopefully Palm stopped running his computer models long enough to watch and see how silly that 2 seed looks.  He would be warmer if he put a 1 in front of it.

Quote from: chapman on January 19, 2012, 10:12:36 PM
Illinois loses at Penn State.  Hopefully Palm stopped running his computer models long enough to watch and see how silly that 2 seed looks.  He would be warmer if he put a 1 in front of it.

Outside of Brandon Paul, there's no threats.

Myers will be a solid NBA player once he develops in the NBDL next year.

Anyone still wanna defend Illinois as a 2 seed?  That's why "if the season ended now" brackets are so dumb, especially in January.  KenPom now predicts Illinois will go 20-11 (9-9).  On what planet is that deserving of a 2 seed?  Even before they lost last night I'm guessing that prediction was 21-10 (10-8).  Still nowhere even close to a 2 seed.  Not that any of this matters of course, but if you're predicting a bracket for a major outlet, at least TRY to maintain some shred of credibility.  Putting Illinois as a 2 seed even before they lost to Penn St. leaves you wide open for ridicule.