DJO is projected to go number 29 in the 2012 NBA Mock draft. NICE!
http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2012/
That would be interesting to see DJO and Jimmy Butler on the same team again.
Quote from: 8796CHAVEZC on January 18, 2012, 12:31:18 PM
That would be interesting to see DJO and Jimmy Butler on the same team again.
Yea I was thinking the same thing
No Jae Crowder in the first or second round according to that mock draft. Where do you see him going?
DJO will be the last pick of the first round, in keeping with Marquette tradition.
Crowder might be better off being a free agent. Can you say Wes Matthews? Jae have a better chance of sticking with a team if he had some options. It made Wes a multi-millionaire.
Quote from: 8796CHAVEZC on January 18, 2012, 12:39:32 PM
No Jae Crowder in the first or second round according to that mock draft. Where do you see him going?
I would hope an NBA team drafts Jae, but this is a league that employs RHODES SCHOLARS like David Kahn as GMs.
If not, I totally see him ending up taking a Wes Matthews-type route, where he earns a spot on the roster because he plays his ass off, can play/guard multiple positions, and is a good team player & coachable.
Just to show you how early it is...
http://nbadraft.net/2012mock_draft (http://nbadraft.net/2012mock_draft)
I don't understand Wes and Jae comparisons. Two completely different players.
Quote from: Warriors10 on January 18, 2012, 01:02:15 PM
I don't understand Wes and Jae comparisons. Two completely different players.
Not really comparing them as players--comparing their NBA draft situations. I think those are similar.
I think DJO projects very favorably as a Ben Gordon type player. Solid backup SG/PG off the bench that can provide some instant offense, but isn't really a starter because of his size. He won't be drafted as highly as Gordon was, but these days, Gordon wouldn't be drafted as highly as Gordon was then either.
Unfortunately, I'm not sure Jae is a NBA player. He's incredibly tough, but I just don't think he's fast enough, and while he's strong for his size, everyone in the NBA is strong and most are bigger. He's not accurate enough to be a bench sniper, not a good enough man defender to be a lockdown guy, not big enough to be a 4, not quick enough to be a 3. He is a phenomenal college player, but I'm not yet sold on him at the next level. I sincerely hope he proves me wrong.
Quote from: Warriors10 on January 18, 2012, 01:02:15 PM
Just to show you how early it is...
http://nbadraft.net/2012mock_draft (http://nbadraft.net/2012mock_draft)
I don't understand Wes and Jae comparisons. Two completely different players.
Thank you. They're not even close. Crowder is more like Hayward, but I don't think that comparison favors Jae. I love Crowder...and I loved Lazar...but I don't think either one fits the NBA mold.
By the way, comparing DJO to Ben Gordon is absurd. Gordon was a borderline all star with the Bulls...an offensive force of nature. DJO is not going to be called on to score in the NBA. He can't create well enough.
Quote from: lab_warrior on January 18, 2012, 12:57:48 PM
I would hope an NBA team drafts Jae, but this is a league that employs RHODES SCHOLARS like David Kahn as GMs.
If not, I totally see him ending up taking a Wes Matthews-type route, where he earns a spot on the roster because he plays his ass off, can play/guard multiple positions, and is a good team player & coachable.
When is he going to guard multiple positions at Marquette?
Honestly, the only thing Wes and Jae would have in common is that they aren't drafted. Wes has has an NBA body, NBA range, and can defend. Jae is the classic NBA 'tweener. Who does he guard? Too small to defend PFs, and not quick enough to guard SFs.
This is a league where immortals such as Renaldo Balkman, Chase Budinger, Gary Forbes, Reggie Williams, and Anthony Tolliver (just to cite a few examples of NBA small forwards) draw a paycheck.
I think Jae has a chance to make a roster. I get that he's a "tweener", which is a kiss of death in the NBA-- but he's also a guy who could work at it enough so that he can scale down to be a serviceable NBA 3.
Yall are a bunch of haters
Where would we be this year without DJO? Circling the toilet.
Quote from: BrewCity on January 18, 2012, 02:21:35 PM
Where would we be this year without DJO? Circling the toilet.
AMEN
I never known a bunch of "Fans" who can be so critical of their own players. I'm sick of reading negative crap on here. DJO is a first round caliber player whether you guys like it or not.
Quote from: lab_warrior on January 18, 2012, 01:15:27 PM
Not really comparing them as players--comparing their NBA draft situations. I think those are similar.
Reminds me of a funny story...
Several years ago (when HS players still could get drafted), I had a conversation with my son (15 now) in which I explained that if a player doesn't get drafted, that gives him the opportunity to pick the team where he might be a good fit and try out for that team. My son, ever the optimist, told me, "I hope I don't get drafted coming out of high school so I can pick the NBA team that I want to play for."
I told him, "in the unlikely even that you don't get drafted out of high school, I hope that you'll at least consider going to college." Seeing as he's now playing on his HS freshman team (and not the varsity team), I think he's probably lost a little of that youthful optimism.
Quote from: lab_warrior on January 18, 2012, 02:12:15 PM
This is a league where immortals such as Renaldo Balkman, Chase Budinger, Gary Forbes, Reggie Williams, and Anthony Tolliver (just to cite a few examples of NBA small forwards) draw a paycheck.
Chase Budinger is one of the most explosive athletes in the world. He has a 40" vertical and was the #1 rated volleyball recruit, to go along with the #7 rated basketball recruit, in the country coming out of high school. He led his high school club volleyball team to a national championship and won the tournament MVP there his senior year. If he had stuck to volleyball he would be playing for the US Men's National Team right now. Bad example when trying to show people who aren't the best athletes can be drafted in the NBA.
Quote from: BrewCity on January 18, 2012, 02:21:35 PM
Where would we be this year without DJO? Circling the toilet.
That doesn't have anything to do with a player's NBA potential or whether or not he will get drafted. Where would Villinova have been without Scotty Reynolds his last 2 years there? Circling the toilet. He went undrafted and is (or at least was for a while) in the D League. College success does not guarantee an NBA contract.
Edit: Not saying DJO won't play in the NBA someday, just saying that because without him we wouldn't be a very good team does not mean he will for sure be in the NBA.
That's a joke.
He can't dribble, gets stuck in the lane, is careless with his passing, can't keep his defender in front of him, and struggles to have that "takeover" mentality.
He's hit big shots, quietly increased his scoring, and affiliated himself with some big NBA names but he's not first and as an undersized 2g and ill-equipped pg, he's not even a 2nd.
Jae has more intangibles than he does, imho. Heck, Gardner should belong in the 2nd round!
Quote from: GOMU85 on January 18, 2012, 02:26:44 PM
I never known a bunch of "Fans" who can be so critical of their own players. I'm sick of reading negative crap on here. DJO is a first round caliber player whether you guys like it or not.
Let me take off your blinders...
Has he PLAYED like a first rounder?
Zar and Butler were 1st rounders. Does he do the things they do to keep this team going?
Other than scoring, no.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 18, 2012, 02:28:11 PM
Chase Budinger is one of the most explosive athletes in the world. He has a 40" vertical and was the #1 rated volleyball recruit, to go along with the #7 rated basketball recruit, in the country coming out of high school. He led his high school club volleyball team to a national championship and won the tournament MVP there his senior year. If he had stuck to volleyball he would be playing for the US Men's National Team right now. Bad example when trying to show people who aren't the best athletes can be drafted in the NBA.
Exactly, he's also taller. Just because he is a goofy looking white dude, don't ignore that he can jump out the gym and was a VERY good player at Zona. You may have a point with Balkman tho...
Quote from: wadesworld on January 18, 2012, 02:28:11 PM
Chase Budinger is one of the most explosive athletes in the world. He has a 40" vertical and was the #1 rated volleyball recruit, to go along with the #7 rated basketball recruit, in the country coming out of high school. He led his high school club volleyball team to a national championship and won the tournament MVP there his senior year. If he had stuck to volleyball he would be playing for the US Men's National Team right now. Bad example when trying to show people who aren't the best athletes can be drafted in the NBA.
This "explosive athlete" is averaging 7 pts/3 rebs per game. Should've stuck to the volleyball.
Jae may not get drafted, but he'll definitely play in the association some day. At the very least, I'd envision him as a role player a la Steve Novak. He's got the body and the long-range shot to develop into a solid 3 on most rosters, but he's not speedy enough to play 30+ mpg and it's going to be a major transition from his current role(s). If he's not drafted, I'd look for him to spend next year in the D-league or bouncing around on a several-day contract or two, but if he is able to adapt, he shouldn't have problem finding a reserve role somewhere within a couple years.
Quote from: GOMU85 on January 18, 2012, 02:16:27 PM
Yall are a bunch of haters
Hoping you were being facetious.
I hope it's not "hating" just to be part of a discussion about a player's pro potential.
I used to go round and round with my Illinois friends about Dee Brown. They insisted he was going to have a long, glorious NBA career. I was equally sure he would have little to no NBA career. "You're such a hater!" they'd say. "Hate" had nothing to do with it. It was all about trying to be an objective observer and using the information readily available to reach an informed conclusion.
Might DJO and/or Crowder get drafted? Sure. Lots of experts said McNeal would get drafted in the first round in his year and Butler wouldn't get drafted at all in his year. The opposite happened. All kinds of things can happen on draft day; it's just fun to speculate.
As to whether DJO and/or Crowder will be contributing NBA players, well, that's a different subject.
Crowder is not as talented as Hayward, and Lazar is going to have a difficult time putting together an NBA career. Crowder is a real long shot for all the reasons other posters have mentioned.
DJO, meanwhile, has a lot in common with McNeal -- physically, type of game, strengths, shortcomings. And McNeal isn't an NBA player.
I thought to be an NBA player, DJO really had to improve his 3-point shooting. Then, at least, NBA GMs might see him as a spread-the-court designated shooter. Unfortunately (for Marquette and DJO's longterm prospects) his 3-point pct was 100 points better his sophomore year than it is now. Put that together with his poor ballhandling and mediocre passing as well as his relative lack of size, and I'm not seeing it.
Of James, Matthews and McNeal, Matthews had by far the least productive college career. But he had the best NBA body, best size and, it turns out, best skill set for that league. That's what matters. Lots of college superstars don't make it in the NBA, and DJO is no superstar.
Glad we have both DJO and Crowder. They have been effective players for our beloved Golden Warriors. But they aren't NBA players.
That's right. I'm such a hater.
Quote from: BrewCity on January 18, 2012, 02:21:35 PM
Where would we be this year without DJO? Circling the toilet.
More like a clogged, unflushable toilet.
Quote from: Benny B on January 18, 2012, 03:27:56 PM
Jae may not get drafted, but he'll definitely play in the association some day. At the very least, I'd envision him as a role player a la Steve Novak. He's got the body and the long-range shot to develop into a solid 3 on most rosters, but he's not speedy enough to play 30+ mpg and it's going to be a major transition from his current role(s). If he's not drafted, I'd look for him to spend next year in the D-league or bouncing around on a several-day contract or two, but if he is able to adapt, he shouldn't have problem finding a reserve role somewhere within a couple years.
Novak is one of the best shooters in basketball history and he gets very little playing time.
Quote from: MU82 on January 18, 2012, 03:28:28 PM
Hoping you were being facetious.
I hope it's not "hating" just to be part of a discussion about a player's pro potential.
I used to go round and round with my Illinois friends about Dee Brown. They insisted he was going to have a long, glorious NBA career. I was equally sure he would have little to no NBA career. "You're such a hater!" they'd say. "Hate" had nothing to do with it. It was all about trying to be an objective observer and using the information readily available to reach an informed conclusion.
Might DJO and/or Crowder get drafted? Sure. Lots of experts said McNeal would get drafted in the first round in his year and Butler wouldn't get drafted at all in his year. The opposite happened. All kinds of things can happen on draft day; it's just fun to speculate.
As to whether DJO and/or Crowder will be contributing NBA players, well, that's a different subject.
Crowder is not as talented as Hayward, and Lazar is going to have a difficult time putting together an NBA career. Crowder is a real long shot for all the reasons other posters have mentioned.
DJO, meanwhile, has a lot in common with McNeal -- physically, type of game, strengths, shortcomings. And McNeal isn't an NBA player.
I thought to be an NBA player, DJO really had to improve his 3-point shooting. Then, at least, NBA GMs might see him as a spread-the-court designated shooter. Unfortunately (for Marquette and DJO's longterm prospects) his 3-point pct was 100 points better his sophomore year than it is now. Put that together with his poor ballhandling and mediocre passing as well as his relative lack of size, and I'm not seeing it.
Of James, Matthews and McNeal, Matthews had by far the least productive college career. But he had the best NBA body, best size and, it turns out, best skill set for that league. That's what matters. Lots of college superstars don't make it in the NBA, and DJO is no superstar.
Glad we have both DJO and Crowder. They have been effective players for our beloved Golden Warriors. But they aren't NBA players.
That's right. I'm such a hater.
I'm sorry, you're not a true fan. Which mean you're an undercover hater. Is that good enough?
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on January 18, 2012, 03:05:07 PM
Let me take off your blinders...
Has he PLAYED like a first rounder?
Zar and Butler were 1st rounders. Does he do the things they do to keep this team going?
Other than scoring, no.
What's your point, have you watched the NBA? It's a completely different game, he's ridiculously quick, strong, can finish at the rim and can shoot....there aren't many guys who can do all those things very well. He'll play in the NBA, and I bet he'll produce way more then lazar.
Quote from: GOMU85 on January 18, 2012, 03:33:11 PM
I'm sorry, you're not a true fan. Which mean you're an undercover hater. Is that good enough?
Quote from: GOMU85 on January 18, 2012, 03:34:25 PM
I'm sorry, you're not a true fan. Which mean you're an undercover hater. Is that good enough?
So in order to be a "true fan" you have to have over-the-top beliefs in the abilities of your team's players?
Seriously, grow up. I mean, you can't even quote a post correctly.
Quote from: esotericmindguy on January 18, 2012, 03:33:19 PM
What's your point, have you watched the NBA? It's a completely different game, he's ridiculously quick, strong, can finish at the rim and can shoot....there aren't many guys who can do all those things very well. He'll play in the NBA, and I bet he'll produce way more then lazar.
I don't think DJO is "ridiculously quick." In fact, I think he's movements are way too "mechanical" to be effective in the NBA.
Who's he gonna check at the 2?
Quote from: lab_warrior on January 18, 2012, 03:25:42 PM
This "explosive athlete" is averaging 7 pts/3 rebs per game. Should've stuck to the volleyball.
Yes. In his 3rd year in the NBA. That's not bad. He averaged 10 points and 3 rebounds as a rookie and 9 points and 4 rebounds as a 2nd year player. This year is still very young. Not everyone's going to be Lebron or Durant and come in and produce immediately. Let's be honest, Budinger is a "tweener" between the SG and the SF and stands 6'7", while Crowder is a "twenner" between the SF and PF and stands 6'6". Not to mention Crowder has nowhere near a 40" vertical. I'm just saying, including Chase Budinger in a list of unathletic tweeners to show Jae could make it to the NBA was not a good choice. Chase is extremely athletic and is between 2 positions that Jae is not between.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df7nNs6ZPFw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edqiFn34pTs
The net is 8' high. His chest is at about 8'. And this was him before he even got into a college weight lifting program. If you think he's anything less than an explosive athlete then there's really nobody out there who is an explosive athlete in your book.
I don't think DJO is "ridiculously quick." In fact, I think he's movements are way too "mechanical" to be effective in the NBA.
Agree.
DJO reminds me of a robot in mans body. I'm sure he could win a dancing competition.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on January 18, 2012, 01:32:40 PM
Thank you. They're not even close. Crowder is more like Hayward, but I don't think that comparison favors Jae. I love Crowder...and I loved Lazar...but I don't think either one fits the NBA mold.
Agree with you here. At the time of their graduation, I could see Wes in the NBA and I could see Butler. Hayward really surprised me. 6-5, not NBA quick, strong but not overwhelmingly so, flat-footed jump shooter. Just couldn't imagine his role in the NBA (still can't).
Quote from: lab_warrior on January 18, 2012, 03:25:42 PM
This "explosive athlete" is averaging 7 pts/3 rebs per game. Should've stuck to the volleyball.
I'll bet his 7 pts/3 rebs per game is translating into greater financial success than a career in volleyball would have. ::)
shocked to see him as a projected first rounder...i'm not sure anyone can say they deserve it more, so i'd love to see it happen, but i just don't see it in his game. maybe his supporting cast is at a level that is allowing teams to focus on him more than i understand, and the scouts recognize that. would be a big deal for mu to put another player in the league as well. i've compared him to ben gordon as well. he's not at that level right now, but i do think the way he approaches/plays the game is similar. the fact that he's listed at 6'2" just scares me...
Quote from: esotericmindguy on January 18, 2012, 03:33:19 PM
What's your point, have you watched the NBA? It's a completely different game, he's ridiculously quick, strong, can finish at the rim and can shoot....there aren't many guys who can do all those things very well. He'll play in the NBA, and I bet he'll produce way more then lazar.
Have YOU seen the NBA?
His dribble is so high and loose that even low-tier NCAA teams can pick his pocket.
He drives to the hole when it's loaded with posts.
He drives to the paint...only to pick up his dribble!!!
His shot fake...doesn't fake anyone that much anymore.
And he's been blocked on fast break opportunities more than any Eagle I can recall in recent memory. (So much for explosiveness.)
He doesn't mix it up with the bigs (even for an "explosive" guy) and loves the perimeter so much, his momma gets jealous.
Unlike Lazar, he hasn't showed ANYTHING of a post-up game on a smaller defender.
He can shoot, but that's pretty much it.
So they don't make the NBA. They'll probably wind up playing for a team in Europe making more money than you or I coming right out of college.
Quote from: 8796CHAVEZC on January 18, 2012, 12:39:32 PM
No Jae Crowder in the first or second round according to that mock draft. Where do you see him going?
While I do believe Jae is the greater college player - really nice when you have both DJO and him to decide which is EVEN greater - i would understand the hesitancy on the old "tweener" question. If he is really 6-foot-5 on the official NBA measurement, then I believe him making the NBA would mean that the only two forwards in the league were him and Lazar. He is such a great athlete and so versatile I think he can make it - but i can understand a scout saying he is not quite quick enough to be an NBA guard in the league and not quite big enough to be a forward.
As for DJO, last year I rally didn't know if his defense would ever be good enough to make it, but I really think he is vastly improved there, so hope it is enough. Again, his true height seems the biggest issue, if the NBA measures him closer to 6-foot than 6-foot-2, but you hope the athleticism, touch and improved defense make up for it.
Quote from: bamamarquettefan on January 20, 2012, 12:17:35 AM
While I do believe Jae is the greater college player - really nice when you have both DJO and him to decide which is EVEN greater - i would understand the hesitancy on the old "tweener" question. If he is really 6-foot-5 on the official NBA measurement, then I believe him making the NBA would mean that the only two forwards in the league were him and Lazar. He is such a great athlete and so versatile I think he can make it - but i can understand a scout saying he is not quite quick enough to be an NBA guard in the league and not quite big enough to be a forward.
See, Jae isn't someone that I would call "athletic," at least in the Division 1 basketball sense of the word. I mean, he's not particularly quick and there isn't much in the way of elevation to his game. He's smart...tough...and relentless.
In the Marquette madness scrimage Butler, Matthews and Hayward were noticeably quicker and more explosive jumpers than Jae. We should give Jae credit for doing so much with less athletic skill. He is a true warrior, but I be surprised if he plays in the NBA outside of a 10 day contract.
Quote from: GOMU85 on January 18, 2012, 02:26:44 PM
I never known a bunch of "Fans" who can be so critical of their own players. I'm sick of reading negative crap on here. DJO is a first round caliber player whether you guys like it or not.
Then stop reading?
Because of the threat of the NBA lockout last season I can think of at least 10 players that opted to stay in school rather than to enter last years draft. Therefore, I do not think DJO will be selected in the first round because of the amount of talent in NCAA basketball this year that will enter the 2012 draft.
Jae is not that athletic, and is not that fast. He is not an NBA player IMO. He is a great college player, but if Zar can't be very succesful in the NBA with superior athletic ability to Jae's I don't think Jae will have any success
Quote from: damuts222 on January 20, 2012, 12:19:48 PMBecause of the threat of the NBA lockout last season I can think of at least 10 players that opted to stay in school rather than to enter last years draft. Therefore, I do not think DJO will be selected in the first round because of the amount of talent in NCAA basketball this year that will enter the 2012 draft.
This is a really bad year to come out. This draft is probably the best looking NBA draft since 2003, when Wade, LeBron, Bosh, and Carmelo hit the league. At least 6-8 guys in this draft would have been picked ahead of Kyrie Irving had they declared last year.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 20, 2012, 01:06:48 PM
This is a really bad year to come out. This draft is probably the best looking NBA draft since 2003, when Wade, LeBron, Bosh, and Carmelo hit the league. At least 6-8 guys in this draft would have been picked ahead of Kyrie Irving had they declared last year.
This 2012 draft is overrated. There's more overall depth than a typical draft, but I don't know if the top-level guys are superstar material. In 2003, you knew before the draft that both Anthony and James were going to be mega-stars.
I wonder if this draft will be as good as 2008 (Rose, Westbrook, Love, E. Gordon).
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 20, 2012, 01:06:48 PM
At least 6-8 guys in this draft would have been picked ahead of Kyrie Irving had they declared last year.
6-8? Like who?
anthony davis, andre drummond, jared sullinger, perry jones III and harrison barnes for sure. I think Irving would have been picked ahead of everyone else.
Quote from: dwaderoy2004 on January 20, 2012, 02:40:26 PM
anthony davis, andre drummond, jared sullinger, perry jones III and harrison barnes for sure. I think Irving would have been picked ahead of everyone else.
LOL! No. First off, Andre Drummond couldn't have entered the draft last year, so that takes him off the list. Same with Anthony Davis. Sullinger, Jones, and Barnes no. Kyrie Irving was the 1st pick in the draft even if he hadn't come back from his injury at all and played at the end of the year. He was the first pick throughout the entire year.
Do a Google search of 2011 NBA Mock Draft and edit it so that it's between March 1 through mid March, when guys like Barnes and Sullinger were assumed to be leaving early. I have not seen a single mock draft in that time frame where anybody besides Derrick Williams (who did leave early) was projected to go before him. Here is one:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/638649-2011-nba-mock-draft-has-kyrie-irving-draft-stock-fallen-or-risen-since-injury/page/31
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on January 19, 2012, 09:56:54 AM
Have YOU seen the NBA?
His dribble is so high and loose that even low-tier NCAA teams can pick his pocket.
He drives to the hole when it's loaded with posts.
He drives to the paint...only to pick up his dribble!!!
His shot fake...doesn't fake anyone that much anymore.
And he's been blocked on fast break opportunities more than any Eagle I can recall in recent memory. (So much for explosiveness.)
He doesn't mix it up with the bigs (even for an "explosive" guy) and loves the perimeter so much, his momma gets jealous.
Unlike Lazar, he hasn't showed ANYTHING of a post-up game on a smaller defender.
He can shoot, but that's pretty much it.
Wow, ok. My guess is he won't be flanked by junior and blue on the perimeter on the next level. And, the NBA game is wide open, with the 3 point line at 23 feet it opens up the driving lanes. You're wrong on the pump fake and based on your evaluationI'm surprised he's second in the big east in scoring. Only time will tell, but I think he'll make a roster.
Quote from: esotericmindguy on January 20, 2012, 02:47:20 PM
Wow, ok. My guess is he won't be flanked by junior and blue on the perimeter on the next level. And, the NBA game is wide open, with the 3 point line at 23 feet it opens up the driving lanes. You're wrong on the pump fake and based on your evaluationI'm surprised he's second in the big east in scoring. Only time will tell, but I think he'll make a roster.
Nah, too short. Doesn't project as a 2 in the NBA because he won't be able to guard the other 2s. He doesn't play the 1 in college... he is right at the level that Jerel McNeal was. Great college player, can fill up the bucket, but really needs some help getting into the NBA.
He never stepped up when we needed him at North Carolina. He chokes at the foul line and disappears in games. Crowder carries the team most of the time.
And Crowder is carrying this team.
1st in minutes, FG made, 3pt%, rebounds, steals, blocks
2nd in FG% (min 10 games), points, 3pt made
4th in assists
TOs are lowest of starting five (25), only Gardner has less (22) of players averaging 15+ mpg
Well....I have been right the last 3 years.....
Time to put my record on the line......
I said Wes Mathews would be the first of the 3 Amigo's to make the NBA......
I said Lazar would be drafted in the first round......
and the best yet.....I said that Jimmy Butler would be drafted by the Bulls in the first round......
3 for 3 with an exact nail on the last one......
This year.....No Marquette player will be drafted.....There are reasons...I am not going to disparage our kids.....I hope I am wrong......We shall see.......
Was there a sale on ....s?
Quote from: burger on January 20, 2012, 05:54:51 PM
Well....I have been right the last 3 years.....
Time to put my record on the line......
I said Wes Mathews would be the first of the 3 Amigo's to make the NBA......
I said Lazar would be drafted in the first round......
and the best yet.....I said that Jimmy Butler would be drafted by the Bulls in the first round......
3 for 3 with an exact nail on the last one......
This year.....No Marquette player will be drafted.....There are reasons...I am not going to disparage our kids.....I hope I am wrong......We shall see.......
Do you mean first round. I am surpised that DJO is mentioned as a first rounder, but I do expect him to be drafted in second round.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on January 20, 2012, 03:35:30 PM
Nah, too short. Doesn't project as a 2 in the NBA because he won't be able to guard the other 2s. He doesn't play the 1 in college... he is right at the level that Jerel McNeal was. Great college player, can fill up the bucket, but really needs some help getting into the NBA.
Yeah I hate to say it but unless he really picks it up the remainder of the season and impresses in some workouts, its going to be hard for DJO to find a spot in the NBA. Although a great build, he is on the small side even at PG and definitely at SG. Unfortunately he doesn't have the ballhandling skills or PG experience. As others have said, he has similar shortcomings to McNeal and I although they had similar senior numbers I think McNeal had a better case for the NBA. Hope DJO surprises me.
I've followed the NBA draft thoroughly (year-round) for 10+ years. I know that hardly makes me an expert, but McNeal is really the only MU player I thought would get drafted that didn't.....and I was very vocal about Jimmy being a 1st when he was a Junior.
DJO's height is an obvious knock. However, it remains to be seen what his true length is. What's his standing reach? His wingspan? It's very possible he is not as undersized as the top of his head suggests. And in reality, I think length is overrated at all positions...particularly at guard. Talent always trumps size IMO. Regardless, DJO shoots with a higher release than the average guy, giving him the effect of a longer player shooting. He also obviously has great athleticism, so that is a plus. Hell, guys like Troy Bell have gone way higher than ever imagined solely on athleticism. All it takes is one team to fall in love. I really didn't think DJO would even get drafted until recently, but I think I may just be getting jaded from all of his press...
As for Jae, it looks pretty tough. He's not a PF in the League.....and he's smaller than the average SF......not to mention no where near as athletic as the SF's. Those are some of the most jaw-dropping athletes in any sport and teams generally take guys that on paper can defend the position....that is unless they really make up for it on the offensive end. However, defense is more mentality than a lane agility test. Jae is a WARRIOR....a fighter.....and success from Matthews, Hayward, and Butler would give teams something to think about.
With all of that said, a MAJOR X-factor will be the success of MU this season. Guys that lead teams deep in the NCAA get a bump. Can they help MU to the Elite 8? That would really help them.
Could jae play TE?
Quote from: MU B2002 on January 21, 2012, 12:45:32 AMCould jae play TE?
That might not be a total stretch. Gates did it, and NFL teams have been looking more closely at basketball players from what I've read. Two worries with that notion regarding Jae, though. First is size. What does he go, 220-230? To block in the NFL he'd probably need another 20-30 lbs. And his footspeed. When Jae gets a breakaway, it seems a defender catches up with him 90% of the time. Not sure that would bode well. He'd probably make a better safety or linebacker.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 21, 2012, 04:18:41 AM
That might not be a total stretch. Gates did it, and NFL teams have been looking more closely at basketball players from what I've read. Two worries with that notion regarding Jae, though. First is size. What does he go, 220-230? To block in the NFL he'd probably need another 20-30 lbs. And his footspeed. When Jae gets a breakaway, it seems a defender catches up with him 90% of the time. Not sure that would bode well. He'd probably make a better safety or linebacker.
I think his lack of breakaway speed has a lot more to do with having to dribble the ball than his actual speed.