'junk' defenses..., but if ever a 'triangle two' was indicated, it was today. If we had face-guarded the smith brothers (like Mayo did in the second half) and played a triangle zone at the hoop we could have cut their O off at the knees.
I know I'm whipping a dead horse, but the 'box and 1' on Gibbs in Pitt game and the 'triangle 2' today are too obvious not to have been tried. Or am I wrong?
Zone defenses will use a box and one to keep their zone, but cool down a particular player. MU already plays a man defense. We actually adjusted very well, and they cooled down.
The concept seems good, but put in practice against a good team it will fail if you haven't spent a lot of time on it. Screen for the guy with the defender on him and all of a sudden he is attacking a 3 man zone with a lot of openings to create against. Just one of those things that is harder than it seems. In middle/high school, teams don't understand offensive principles enough and don't have enough offensive bodies to make it ineffective usually.
Sultan, I agree we adjusted our man D..., eventually. I still feel we could have changed up our D early (18-2) and tried to slow the smith bros. while preventing the inside pass/scoring.
I honestly cannot remember ever seeing a box and 1/triangle and 2 at the college level, and very rarely at the higher high school level. It's always either a straight man to man or a straight zone. Teams at the college level would expose those defenses.
I admit I haven't seen much use since, oh man, probably the seventies. Al would mix up his D often and he loved throwing a junk D on to frustrate the other teams gunner.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 16, 2012, 11:10:33 PM
I honestly cannot remember ever seeing a box and 1/triangle and 2 at the college level, and very rarely at the higher high school level. It's always either a straight man to man or a straight zone. Teams at the college level would expose those defenses.
They are no longer in vogue, but they were quite popular 20-30 years ago. The most successful example is when Digger Phelps used a triangle and 2 against the undefeated Ralph Sampson Virginia team. He put both of the '2' on Sampson, one in front, one behind, and played the rest of the team 3 on 4. Won on a buzzer beater. I would have considered it against Jimmer last year.
Quote from: tower912 on January 17, 2012, 06:02:04 AM
They are no longer in vogue, but they were quite popular 20-30 years ago. The most successful example is when Digger Phelps used a triangle and 2 against the undefeated Ralph Sampson Virginia team. He put both of the '2' on Sampson, one in front, one behind, and played the rest of the team 3 on 4. Won on a buzzer beater. I would have considered it against Jimmer last year.
Didn't a team do the same to one of the Curry boys a couple years ago?
Didn't Majerus use one of these defenses on his NCAA final run with Utah?
Quote from: wadesworld on January 16, 2012, 11:10:33 PM
I honestly cannot remember ever seeing a box and 1/triangle and 2 at the college level, and very rarely at the higher high school level. It's always either a straight man to man or a straight zone. Teams at the college level would expose those defenses.
+1...most average high school coaches know how to crush a straight box1/tri2. i would argue that a "straight" zone isn't really used by any of the really good zone playing defenses. watch cuse and you'll see they do things differently on defense depending on who they're playing. think of how you adjust spacing on offense depending on match-ups, and the zone will do the same on defense.
Quote from: 77fan88warrior on January 17, 2012, 09:22:21 AM
Didn't Majerus use one of these defenses on his NCAA final run with Utah?
Pretty sure you're right, I thinke he box-and-1'd somebody (UNC-with Joe Forte or Ed Cota??) in that tournament run. Not so sure he didn't triangle-and-2 Arizona in a game, too, the Simon-Bibby-Dickerson team.
Quote from: tower912 on January 17, 2012, 06:02:04 AM
The most successful example is when Digger Phelps used a triangle and 2 against the undefeated Ralph Sampson Virginia team. He put both of the '2' on Sampson, one in front, one behind, and played the rest of the team 3 on 4. Won on a buzzer beater. I would have considered it against Jimmer last year.
This sounds more of a "F*** you, Ralph Sampson is NOT beating me" defense, more than a true triangle-and-2, where the 3 guys play essentially a zone. And against Jimmer, I am surprised that no one box-and-1'd him. Not only that, but the guy guarding him, should have face guarded the kid as soon as he crossed half court.
Didn't Huggins use a triangle-and-2 against the DJ-McNeal-Matthews team when we lost to them in Morgantown, Crean's last year?
Quote from: lab_warrior on January 17, 2012, 09:32:21 AM
This sounds more of a "F*** you, Ralph Sampson is NOT beating me" defense, more than a true triangle-and-2, where the 3 guys play essentially a zone. And against Jimmer, I am surprised that no one box-and-1'd him. Not only that, but the guy guarding him, should have face guarded the kid as soon as he crossed half court.
You could call it that, but the bottom line is that he fronted and backed Sampson everywhere and played the triangle zone against the other 4 VA players.
Quote from: lab_warrior on January 17, 2012, 09:34:48 AM
Didn't Huggins use a triangle-and-2 against the DJ-McNeal-Matthews team when we lost to them in Morgantown, Crean's last year?
Yes, and everyone called him a genius for doing so. Not sure which year it was, but it was definitely Huggins' WVU team that did it to us with much success.
Billy Gillispie played some when he coached at A&M . Tim Floyed played it a lot at USC a lot and pretty much always plays it at UTEP. Bob Marlin plays a lot of both.