Apparently he has narrowed it down to St. Johns and Maryland. Not sure we had interest.
**cough cough**
Kendrick Nunn
**cough cough**
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on January 09, 2012, 12:01:33 PM
Apparently he has narrowed it down to St. Johns and Maryland. Not sure we had interest.
Maryland is coached by Mark Turgeon, who recruited Branch to A&M (and then left). My money is on Turgeon.
I wonder if Buzz thinks Vander is the answer at point through 2013? While Vander doesn't seem entirely natural at the point at this time, his upside seems higher than JC for the rest of this year and 2012. Two weeks ago when Branch was first available maybe he wasn't thinking that way. I stayed away after the GTown loss, but I did notice Buzz have a rare smile on his face when Vander came out after a good run at point.
Quote from: lab_warrior on January 09, 2012, 12:17:38 PM
**cough cough**
Kendrick Nunn
**cough cough**
. Hope youre right. Nunn is impressive.
I'd like to see MU get tall...or at least taller...
Enough complaining about height...we are getting taller next year, and if OTule was not hurt, no one would be talking about height.
OTule 6'10". Durley 6'10". Steve Taylor 6"8". Gardner 6'8". Wilson, Juan Anderson, Deonte Burton, 6'7". Not to mention at guard/wing postions, Blue, Mayo at 6'3"-6'4", TJ Taylo at 6'4". I think that's a pretty damn tall roster.
I agree, even Syracuse is forced to go with a major project when melo sits. otule injury is unfortunate.
Quote from: lab_warrior on January 09, 2012, 01:18:04 PM
Enough complaining about height...we are getting taller next year, and if OTule was not hurt, no one would be talking about height.
OTule 6'10". Durley 6'10". Steve Taylor 6"8". Gardner 6'8". Wilson, Juan Anderson, Deonte Burton, 6'7". Not to mention at guard/wing postions, Blue, Mayo at 6'3"-6'4", TJ Taylo at 6'4". I think that's a pretty damn tall roster.
Durley won't see the court, Gardner is shorter than Wilson (I think Gardner is 6'7", JWil 6'8"), Anderson more like 6'6", Burton is 6'5" and isn't in until the 2013-2014 season, and my guess is Taylor is 6'3".
Who knows the heights for sure, when we read different heights from different sources. I agree that Jamil does seem taller than Gardner, but would like to believe that the latter is at least 6'8". Since it is possible that the players may be grow since their high school days, wish there was a more credible source for their height.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 09, 2012, 01:46:18 PM
and my guess is Taylor is 6'3".
I'm pretty sure you are talking about TJ Taylor. Steve Taylor is 6'8".
Quote from: msbjim on January 09, 2012, 01:53:27 PM
Who knows the heights for sure, when we read different heights from different sources.
Also, standing reach and wingspan are more important and that varies considerably among guys measured at the same height. Jimmy Butler measured 2.5" taller than Wade, yet Wade had a 3" larger wingspan and 1" higher reach.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 09, 2012, 01:46:18 PM
Durley won't see the court, Gardner is shorter than Wilson (I think Gardner is 6'7", JWil 6'8"), Anderson more like 6'6", Burton is 6'5" and isn't in until the 2013-2014 season, and my guess is Taylor is 6'3".
Durley won't see the court...UNLESS Otule is hurt. I would love to have a Durley type on the team right now. The depth is what is important.
Durley will see the court. Just not convinced said court sits on the Bradley Center ice.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 09, 2012, 02:43:02 PM
Durley will see the court. Just not convinced said court sits on the Bradley Center ice.
This.
As for Branch, I mentioned a few days ago it was interesting MU went from top of the list pending Buzz approval to now being a Johnnie.
as i said from the start do we really want or need a non-starting freshman who is averaging 4 points agame??
Boy he would be brutalized here after the way the experts on this board have treated Vander and Junior.
My point is he was highly ranked but does not seem to have played to his billing at this point. Seems this crowd is sick of those types.
Lastly, do we want a player that decides to turn tail and run after a difficult first semester? i understand there maybe extenuating circumstances, but my guess is they are moot is he is averaging 15 and 7!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on January 09, 2012, 03:56:47 PM
Lastly, do we want a player that decides to turn tail and run after a difficult first semester? i understand there maybe extenuating circumstances, but my guess is they are moot is he is averaging 15 and 7!!!!!!!!!
Never mind the fact the coach he went to A&M to play for left .....
Quote from: lab_warrior on January 09, 2012, 01:18:04 PM
Enough complaining about height...we are getting taller next year, and if OTule was not hurt, no one would be talking about height.
OTule 6'10". Durley 6'10". Steve Taylor 6"8". Gardner 6'8". Wilson, Juan Anderson, Deonte Burton, 6'7". Not to mention at guard/wing postions, Blue, Mayo at 6'3"-6'4", TJ Taylo at 6'4". I think that's a pretty damn tall roster.
yeah because otule and durley as the only true centers on the team looks like such a reliable and bright future at the 5 spot. perhaps i shouldn't have said mu needs to get taller, and i should have said they need to find another center. i get that they don't grow on trees, but the consistency they provide on a team that emphasizes paint touches on offense and overplays guards on defense needs a serviceable center in to reach its full potential. chris is an average center, and he makes a huge difference to the mu team. buzz should be able to recruit someone of his caliber/rating dang near every year. i'm not asking for a 5 star center, just that we have the depth at that position we need to ensure we're not caught in a position like we are this year. all that adds to the fact that i wasn't complaining...just stating a recruiting wish.
Well, if we want a last ditch effort at a point guard transfer, Arizona State's starting point guard and leading scorer Keala King is transferring. However, he and two teammates were suspended for the past couple games for "unacceptable conduct" so even if we had a shot who knows if we'd want him.
Quote from: lab_warrior on January 09, 2012, 01:18:04 PM
OTule 6'10". Durley 6'10". Steve Taylor 6"8". Gardner 6'8". Wilson, Juan Anderson, Deonte Burton, 6'7". Not to mention at guard/wing postions, Blue, Mayo at 6'3"-6'4", TJ Taylo at 6'4". I think that's a pretty damn tall roster.
Isn't Burton only 6'5?
Quote from: TrueBlueAndGold on January 10, 2012, 01:33:00 AMIsn't Burton only 6'5?
I've actually heard 6'4". Certainly not 6'7", unless he went through a massive growth spurt.
Quote from: Pakuni on January 09, 2012, 04:21:11 PM
Never mind the fact the coach he went to A&M to play for left .....
that would fall under the category of extenuating circumstances...again 15 n 7 snd he stays... but he is greatly underacheiving...i can understand looking at greener pastures its what people do. But the question remains do we want a backup averaging 4 a game....sounds about like the players everyone is complaining about
Branch to St. Johns per SCOUT.
Quote from: nyg on January 10, 2012, 06:34:43 AM
Branch to St. Johns per SCOUT.
Branch was recruited by Turgeon. Turgeon left and he then left A&M. if he goes to St. Johns, who will be his coach next year?
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/colleges/post/_/id/3413/lavin-could-miss-rest-of-season-for-st-johns
St. John's head coach Steve Lavin, who has missed the team's past nine games as he continues to recuperate from prostate cancer surgery, could miss the rest of this season.
Lavin raised that possibility in an interview with the Los Angeles Times, published on Wednesday.
"There really is a strong argument for both," Lavin said of coming back this season versus remaining away from the sideline. "If we're doing good in February and I get a second wind, a clean bill of health and I've suffered no setbacks, it's worth keeping that door open. But if I'm not feeling up to the heavy lifting of coaching, I can stay in this GM role."
Lavin continues to travel for recruiting purposes, as well as manage the coaching staff and attend some practices. But he has not coached the Red Storm since their 58-57 loss to Texas A&M on Nov. 18.
After missing the team's season opener, then returning to coach the next four games, Lavin stepped away again, saying he had come back prematurely and did not yet have the stamina to coach in games.
The good news is, Lavin's surgery was deemed a success, and he is cancer-free.
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http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/st-john-basketball-picks-transfer-jamal-branch-leaves-texas-a-m-red-storm-angelo-harrison-named-big-east-rookie-week-article-1.1003553?localLinksEnabled=false
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on January 10, 2012, 06:06:50 AM
that would fall under the category of extenuating circumstances...again 15 n 7 snd he stays... but he is greatly underacheiving...i can understand looking at greener pastures its what people do. But the question remains do we want a backup averaging 4 a game....sounds about like the players everyone is complaining about
How many freshman, regardless of position, average 15 points and 7 assists per game? Vander was a 5 star and ranked 30 spots higher than Branch and how productive was he as a freshman? Same as Jamil Wilson. The fact of the matter is freshman don't produce those kinds of numbers unless they are lottery picks, and then they transfer to the NBA. I'm not sure how you can conclude that a freshman who has a senior starting in front of him that is averaging 4.2 points, 2.4 assists, and 2.2 rebounds per game in 18 minutes is underachieving. By comparison, our starting junior point guard (who was ranked higher than him coming into his freshman year) is averaging 6.9 points, 1.9 rebounds, and 5 assists per game in 26 minutes. Give Branch 26 minutes and he's only slightly less productive as a freshman than Junior is as a junior. Also compare Branch's numbers to our freshman point guard with an upperclassman in front of him. Derrick Wilson is averaging 0.7 points, 0.9 assists, and 1.3 rebounds in 12.3 minutes per game.
Take into account that recruiting sites list as a great shooter, defender, and ball handler and a good passer, I would absolutely have wanted him if he wanted to come here. Junior's weaknesses are he can't defend anybody with a high school varsity level quickness and he can't shoot from the outside so defenders can help off of him. Branch would be a nice change from that.
The fact is freshman don't contribute unless they're starting, and they don't start unless they're incredibly talented and physically mature. A top 15 recruit. To say Branch is underachieving while watching a senior start in front of him is just uneducated and simply wrong.
Would've loved him at Marquette. Let's get Nunn.
I'm not sure how good a coach he is, but I have always really liked Lavin. I hope he does well enough at St. John's to always finish one slot behind MU in the standings (hopefully second) and lives a long and prosperous life. Really is interesting how he is spending what energy he has on the recruiting aspects of the position, which is arguably his greatest strength.
Don't any big time players want to come to Marquette? The program has really slipped. I don't think any bigs want to come because of our style of play. After McGuire left, we had Raymonds, Majerus, The Piano Player, McNeill, Crean, and Buzz. When are going to address this and get a top established candidate and pay him, since Basketball pays for most or all sports at MU. We can't rest on 1977 Laurels. Yes, we had Wade. that's it. We are going small time and thinking big time and resting on our early laurels. Come on AD start taking charge.
Quote from: Earl Tatum on January 10, 2012, 05:59:31 PM
Don't any big time players want to come to Marquette? The program has really slipped. I don't think any bigs want to come because of our style of play. After McGuire left, we had Raymonds, Majerus, The Piano Player, McNeill, Crean, and Buzz. When are going to address this and get a top established candidate and pay him, since Basketball pays for most or all sports at MU. We can't rest on 1977 Laurels. Yes, we had Wade. that's it. We are going small time and thinking big time and resting on our early laurels. Come on AD start taking charge.
You base this off of not landing Branch? Talk about extrapolating yourself off a cliff!!! If the 2013 class is Burton and Nunn, that's 2 out of 2 scholarships used on top 50 players. Yet we are going small time and resting on our "early laurels"? What??? Get back on your meds dude, we're trending up not down.
Also, who said Buzz wanted to take Branch in the first place? It would mean booting someone off the current team or reneging on a committed and signed player. Seems like Buzz was in a catch 22 with fans on this one. Land him and Buzz is a bad guy for over-signing. Don't land him and we can't compete with the big boys (even though there was no evidence we even offered him). Hysterical!
Quote from: Earl Tatum on January 10, 2012, 05:59:31 PM
Don't any big time players want to come to Marquette? The program has really slipped. I don't think any bigs want to come because of our style of play. After McGuire left, we had Raymonds, Majerus, The Piano Player, McNeill, Crean, and Buzz. When are going to address this and get a top established candidate and pay him, since Basketball pays for most or all sports at MU. We can't rest on 1977 Laurels. Yes, we had Wade. that's it. We are going small time and thinking big time and resting on our early laurels. Come on AD start taking charge.
Vander was a big time player and he came to Marquette, No?
Kevin O'Neill or Jerel McNeal, not both-McNeill.
We need more than just Burton and hopefully Nunn. i WOULD NEVER GET ON bUZZ FOR OVER RECRUITING. The big wheels do it all the time. (Kansas, U Conn. etc.) Where are the bigs???
Quote from: Earl Tatum on January 10, 2012, 08:06:59 PM
We need more than just Burton and hopefully Nunn. i WOULD NEVER GET ON bUZZ FOR OVER RECRUITING. The big wheels do it all the time. (Kansas, U Conn. etc.) Where are the bigs???
Branch isn't a big. Maybe Buzz feels really good about Nunn or other 2013 players. Honestly not sure how you see we "missed" on Branch and go on that aimless rant. Show me where we even offered.
Quote from: Jamailman on January 10, 2012, 08:15:33 PM
Honestly not sure how you see we "missed" on Branch and go on that aimless rant. Show me where we even offered.
When Branch announced his tranfer HE said MU was at the top of his list. Now MU isn't on his list at all. Logic suggests MU took a pass.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 10, 2012, 08:25:45 PM
When Branch announced his tranfer HE said MU was at the top of his list. Now MU isn't on his list at all. Logic suggests MU took a pass.
That was my interpretation exactly. Could be wrong though.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 10, 2012, 08:25:45 PM
When Branch announced his tranfer HE said MU was at the top of his list. Now MU isn't on his list at all. Logic suggests MU took a pass.
Shocking how many people cannot pick that up.
Quote from: Jamailman on January 10, 2012, 08:15:33 PMBranch isn't a big. Maybe Buzz feels really good about Nunn or other 2013 players. Honestly not sure how you see we "missed" on Branch and go on that aimless rant. Show me where we even offered.
This whole thing reminds me of when we "passed" on Jarion Henry and willie warrior's insane rant right after about Buzz's horrible recruiting. Though I don't have the same negative view I have on Branch that I did (and do) on Henry, I have a feeling that if we were on top of his list and we were interested, he'd at least be getting a visit, probably this weekend for the Pittsburgh game when there are about 11,372 former players in town for the game.
I agree that the Branch camp seems to have inquired, we decided to pass on him, they moved on. For what it's worth, I think that says Buzz is confident we will be full up for 2012 and 2013. Doesn't mean we might not see a transfer out, but I'm guessing that if anyone goes, we'll have someone else coming in.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 11, 2012, 06:34:04 AM
This whole thing reminds me of when we "passed" on Jarion Henry and willie warrior's insane rant right after about Buzz's horrible recruiting. Though I don't have the same negative view I have on Branch that I did (and do) on Henry, I have a feeling that if we were on top of his list and we were interested, he'd at least be getting a visit, probably this weekend for the Pittsburgh game when there are about 11,372 former players in town for the game.
I agree that the Branch camp seems to have inquired, we decided to pass on him, they moved on. For what it's worth, I think that says Buzz is confident we will be full up for 2012 and 2013. Doesn't mean we might not see a transfer out, but I'm guessing that if anyone goes, we'll have someone else coming in.
free willie
Quote from: Z F-B on January 11, 2012, 08:02:09 AM
free willie
The cat hasn't been online since the end of July. Hope he didn't have an apoplectic fit and die....miss the dude. And if he did, he posted seven too many or he would have gone out in Warrior style.
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1330
Nothin' wrong with commando or free willie.